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justlisa New Member
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 Has anyone else experienced the HCG weight loss program and had great results? I had been on the 6 weeks of injections and lost 36 pounds! Im going back on for 3 weeks to lose my last 20 pounds. I had such success with the HCg and the clinic I worked with the program with, that I just have to do it again. I didnt pay a lot and found it to be safe and effective. I am a skeptic, and I can say that this really worked for me. I look and feel great.  Lisa  |
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Keep us posted! Peter  |
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electrocute New Member
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I am curious....what was your starting weight before the HCG, your current, and your goal weight? YOu were very successful...congrats! |
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katiepen New Member
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I've been on the shots for 19 days and I've lost 18 pounds. I feel great and the only time that I get hungry is when it's time to eat. My starting weight was 170, I now weigh 152 and I have 3 more weeks on the shots. My goal weight is 130. I twisted my ankle right before I started the shots so I have been unable to exercise so it's great to know that this still works. I think that I will be able to start exercising at least a little next week and that should help my weight loss even more. |
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danamichael New Member
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where can you get it??? i live in philadelphia. how much???? sign me up |
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katiepen New Member
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There are several places that you can get it. There are mail order companies that will order blood tests, prescribe the hcg and send you everything that you need for self injecting. About mid level in price. There are clinics that you can go to and go through a doctor, this is the most expensive route. Or there are overseas companies that are the cheapest but you have to get your own needles and mixing water. I have used the 1st and the latter method and they both worked well, it just depends on what you are comfortable with. Do a search for hcg forums, there are a ton of them and there are a lot of places recommended on them. Good Luck! |
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tinkerbell Member 
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 I've been reading various resources for HCG and have a few questions for anyone that wouldn't mind answering. Lisa, you said you didn't pay much, do you mind giving an estimate of what it cost and for how long. Was the clinic local and did you go to get your shots each day? I'm trying to get an idea of cost so that it I will have an idea if the prices quoted are within a reasonable range. I live in Central Florida.The info I've read says to eat only organic foods. Did everyone do that? If not how did it work for you? How long after starting did you get more energy? Is there anything that you found difficult? easy? The cllinic I found on the internet will do everything by mail. I will have 5 refills left after the first round. I have to wait 6 weeks between the first application and the 2nd, then 7 weeks between 2nd & 3rd application. Has anyone found a way to varify a clinic is reputable? This there anyone who has done this program and gained their weight back? or part of it? Do I sound confused? Nervous? I am!!!! It's great to hear that so many of you are doing great on this program. Congrats and keep it up. Cheers  |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Tinkerbell The cost varies by which method you choose. If you use an overseas pharmacy, which I did this time and it worked out fine, it costs less then $100 but you have to obtain your own needles and mixing water. The first time that I did this I used a pharmacy in Florida that orders blood tests, prescribes the hcg and then sends you everything that you need. The blood test was the most expensive part, about $400 and I think that altogether it cost about $650 for 1 round and $250 for the next, give or take. I know that a clinic costs a lot more and sounds very inconvienient when self injecting is so easy. As for organics I believe that it is a very important part, not only for this diet but for a lifestyle change. Our food supply is tainted with chemicals and GMO's that affect our bodies and is part of the obesity problem. This diet is designed to reset the hypothymus to function properly but if you consume pesticides and chemicals it will just stop functioning properly again and you will be back where you started. Have you read Kevin Trudeau's book? I know that at first organics seem a lot more expensive but how much have we spent on diets and how much is our health worth? And not only that, they taste so much better, once you switch you will never want to switch back. Eat a conventional peach next to an organic one and you will see what I mean. I think that we've all forgotten what good food tastes like. Yes, I did this diet last year and I gained the weight back. I didn't finish phase 3. My friends did this diet right after me last year and they finished phase 3 and follow the principles in phase 4 and they have maintained their weight loss for over 1 year. This time I have lost 21 pounds and I will be finishing phase 3 and living in phase 4. The moral of this story is it works but you have to complete it and it does require a lifestyle change if we want to keep the weight off. We can't go back to eating chemicals, processed foods, and fast food. |
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tinkerbell Member
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Thank you katiepen.  That was helpful. What was the name of the clinic in Florida that you used. I've been looking at GHI in Clearwater. If you used them how was there service. Were they avaliable for questions? ect. |
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katiepen New Member
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Yes, that is the clinic that I used. They were fine and yes when I had questions about my blood test results a pharmacist called me back and talked to me about it. I would recommend them for a first round as they take care of everything, they are just more expensive. Good Luck! |
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steelerslover New Member
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Just out of curiosity, what was the daily dosage you took? I read somewhere 5000mg, that seems excessive. |
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katiepen New Member
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Oh no, you will gain weight on that. 175-250iu daily is recommended, never more then that. |
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steelerslover New Member
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Thanks, yeah, that sounded like a lot. I think whatever I read said 5000/wk, but that is still to much. Thanks for your help! |
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Kay New Member 
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Did you find a HCG source in Philadelphia? I am in the area also. Kay |
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Darlene5 New Member
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I'm on the third day of injections, and because I felt starving this morning I decided maybe I needed one more loading day. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..... I know that sounds so rediculous, but I really didnt load up very well the first two days so Im thinking maybe thats why I was so hungry this morning. So I'll start the 500 calorie diet tomorrow for sure! I've got to be honest here, Im feeling a bit like the whole diet is a huge scam. I'll give it my best shot and if it works, I'll be completely shocked! These injections are also making me feel VERY TIRED. I havent even started the low calorie diet yet, these shots have been making me tired during the loading days. So I just dont get that. This happen to anyone else? It's like I've taken 3 benadryl! Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene This works, give it a fair chance and you will see. But if you don't follow it exactly and you cheat just a little it won't work. The first few days is the hardest with the hunger just hang in there I promise it will get better. When you start to see the pounds fall off it will help keep you motivated. After the first week I was full of evergy and not hungry at all unless it was mealtime. Also for the fatigue drink a lot of tea with stevia, especially yerba mate. I could not get through this protocol without a lot of tea. It helps with hunger and energy. Good Luck! |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks Katiepen for your response. Are you on the diet right now? I cant drink Caffeine. Even just one sip gives me what I think is anxiety symptoms. (mostly not being able to breath) Sucks. If I could drink coffee like I used to I'd probably not be over weight right now. : ) Anyway I some how got through my first starvation day yesterday. I dont know how I did it, it was so hard. I was absolutely starving! I went to bed early with a sleeping pill. Today is the same. Not any better. I'm starving. I have not cheated at all yet. I do either chicken or veal (100g) a salad of lettuce, cabbage, and cucumber (1cup) with vinagar, and an apple or some strawberry's (no more than a cup). And a ton of water with lemon. I dont know how long I can stick to this. I lost three pounds in one day, thats great and all, but if I'm starving like this the whole time its just not going to work. And its as if the food I"m eating makes me even hungrier. I'm shooting for one week right now. If I'm still just as starving after one week then I'm quiting. I think I'll know if its a scam or not by then. Im so shocked to have read that so many people liked this diet! and that it worked for them. Thanks for the words of encouragement. : ) |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene Have you tried yerba mate. A lot of people that have trouble with caffeine do not have a problem with yerba mate. Check out their web site, they even say that they only use the word caffeine for lack of a better word, it is a different form of energy and it has been used for centuries. Yerba Mate helps me so much with the hunger, maybe it could work for you. If you can't tolerate yerba mate then try decaffeinated teas with stevia, rooibos tea is really yummy and you can get decaf. green teas as well. Stevia helps balance the blood sugar and I think that this helps a lot with the hunger. The hunger will get better, have faith. Of course you can't get through this if you're feeling starving. If it is not getting better in a couple days we need to look at possible causes. What dosage of hcg are you using? I've definately noticed on hcg forums that people on lower doses of hcg have more problems with hunger. Also have you tried spreading out your food like having your fruit at different times then your meal. I was eating my apple at 10:00. This helped me not get too hungry before my lunch. Also I was putting cinnamon on my apple. Cinnamon also helps balance the blood sugar. I was also generous with my vegetables especially things like cabbage and spinach which are very low in calories. I would saute the cabbage or spinach with onion, of course no oil just a very hot cast iron pan and I made sure that the vegies filled me up. This worked well for me and I really enjoyed it. No worries, this will work for you. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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katiepen wrote: Hi Darlene Hi there, Thanks so much for the attention and help! Yes I've tried Yerba mate tea, and it also did the same thing. But maybe I will try it again. My first day I did try decaff green tea. Not sure how much it really helped though. But anyways, this morning I weighed my self again and was 3 pounds lighter again. I hope that continues for a long time. Yesterday two hours before lunch I was really hungry. But then that evening I noticed that I wasnt as hungry. When it came time to eat dinner I could have even skipped it. But that still doesnt convince me it's the hcg. Sometimes when you go a long time with out eating the hunger eventually passes, with or with out Hcg. Now today again I was hungry two hours before lunch, craving toast with peanut butter! but some how got though it. Maybe this evening I wont be hungry again. We'll see. Right now it's after lunch and Im craving ice cream really bad! But anyways it might be becoming a little easier, like a "off and On" type thing. Too early to tell for sure though. But Im not tired anymore. I have a weird type of energy. Before starting this diet I had severe fatigue problems the past 10 months. Chronic fatigue problems where doing anything was hard. Then all three of my loading days with the injections made me even more tired. Now this is only my third day of eating 500 calories a day, and only my second day of actually not feeling tired, so I have no idea if this Hcg really fights fatigue or not. It might be too early to tell. But it's amazing that the past two days I havent been tired. I am really hopeing this energy continues. It's been so long since I've had it! It sure does help with playing with my kids better and more often. Maybe I can get my life back. Maybe it's not even energy, maybe its just a good mood. I dont know. I dont feel like exercising cause Im afraid it will make me more hungry. But I do feel in a better mood and its easier to play with my kids. I think I might try that stevia. I wish I would have had some of that on my first day when I was craving sugar really bad. But I think I'll get some for my husband. I'm using 250 Hcg sub-Q. In the stomach. I've been not eating anything until 1pm (lunch) and I would eat everything (the veggies, fruit, and meat). And then not eat anything till 7pm or 8pm (dinner) and would eat everything. And of course lots of water in between. But you know I think I'm going to try it like how you mentioned. Because today I ate lunch, and I still havent eaten the apple in my lunch yet. I could have had that apple for breakfast when I was hungry. And then skip it for lunch. Same with dinner. I'm going to not eat the fruit until an hour or two after dinner. That way I might be able to stay up a little later, instead of going to bed early with a sleeping pill! : ) Ok one question. You said you were real generous with the vegetables. Does this mean you were having more than one cup per meal? Cause the protocol say's only one cup twice a day? Thanks for reminding me about the cinnamon! When I get tired of the same old same old, I'll add some cinnamon. Geez sorry for writing so much! Thanks again for all your help, and good suggestions! Darlene5 Last edited on 22 July 2008 10:50 pm by Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene It sounds like it is getting better and I'm so happy for you. I think that if you save your apples for between meals when you start to get really hungry that will make a big difference for you. And yes with certain vegies like cabbage, lettuce, spinach, celery I had more like 2 cups and that didn't throw off my weight loss. Everybody's body is different so if you are going to try doing that go slow and observe. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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No it's not getting better. Yesterday after my last post to you it got really bad for the whole rest of the day and night. I couldnt sleep cause I was so hungry. I was just as hungry as I was the first day trying this. But I still havent cheated...... This morning I weighed only one pound less. So I guess its starting to tapper off. Its weird cause I didnt eat more thats for sure! Darlene5 |
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EweWho Member 
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Hi all! I am currently on Phase 4, will start my 5th round of Phase 2 in about 3 weeks. I started at 266 pounds and currently am holding at 203, which is about 5 pounds over my Last Injection Weight. However, I am doing sublingual, taking 75IU in the morning and again in the evening. I ordered my hCG and started with injections, but switched to sublingual and have been doing it that way since the first round. I haven't gone through a clinic, even though there are two in our city. I'd rather spend my money on the hCG!  I was holding at LIW until our church conference, went overboard and gained a few extra pounds and just haven't made any effort to take them off again....probably because I know I am doing another round and they will come off the first week. I've had absolutely NO side effects whatsoever from the hCG and am amused by the comments from people who are against this protocol. I am not going to argue with them because it is pointless. I am not going to convince them, and it is pointless for them to try to convince me. The weightloss has already convinced me that this works. My doctor is supportive of my doing this, but I don't even NEED his approval. I belong to a forum that consumes a lot of my time, and won't be able to post often here, but I will enjoy reading when I can. I love watching the success that people have on this protocol! |
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katiepen New Member
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Just updating I started back on the shots on Sat, the weekend was my gorging days. I've lost 4 pounds since Monday, yeah! I love this protocol! |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Katiepen, I'm excited for you. keep us posted on how the diet goes. I'm only loseing around a half a pound or less a day. I dont understand it. There must be something I'm doing wrong. I'm not walking everyday, thats the only thing I can think of that it might be. Either that or something Im getting on my skin. I use seventh generation dish soap, that I use everyday to clean my kids bottles. But its not on my skin for more than ten seconds. GHI told me to not worry about stuff that gets on my skin as long as it's not a fatty oil. They said any organic lotion is ok to use. which doesnt make sense to me. I also get a tad bit of peanut butter on my fingers when making my kids toast. This cant be the cause can it? And the other thing is I'm eating the same veggies for lunch and dinner. But everything else is different for each meal. I'm wondering if I'm only losing a half pound a day because i'm not having any bowel movements. What do you think? How much weight do you have to lose this time? Darlene5 Last edited on 6 August 2008 06:51 pm by Darlene5 |
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tinkerbell Member
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Darlene, Found this link and thought of you. I didn't read it, but thought you might be interested. Hope it helps.  http://hcgcoach.com/hcgFAQ.shtml#Hunger: |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks Tinkerbell, I now know of some possible laxatives. And I think I'll stop taking Benedryl before bed time every night. : ) Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene My weight loss after the first week seems to slow to about 1/2 pound a day too. I think that this is true for a lot of women. It's faster for men but even at 1/2 pound a day I'm thrilled and it's better then any other option that I've ever found. I do notice that when I walk everyday that my weight loss picks up. I have 16 more pounds to lose. I wear gloves when I wash dishes. I also wear gloves when I'm preparing meals for the children in my childcare, I know it sounds a little extreme but I just don't want something that small affecting my weight loss. I also wouldn't use any body lotion, Dr. Simeon & Kevin Trudeau both caution aganist that. It's only for a few weeks. Chapstick is my hardest thing to give up but I get past it, I just keep telling myself that I can do anything for a few weeks. Compared to the deprivation of other diets that go on and on for months 1 slow pound at a time I'll take this anyday. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Yes, I agree! Half a pound a day is still amazing. I havent used any lotions yet. Except for that big No No when I used coconut oil on my legs! I cant believe I did that. : ) But the other day I did use some organic aloe vera gel on my legs. I've been in the sun getting tan, and my legs got really dry. It didnt effect my weight loss, but just in case I probably wont use it again. What did you do while on your period? Did you stop the injections for the whole time? And if so was the hunger bad? Did you have to cheat during that time? I'm wondering if I can keep using the injections during my period. What do you think? Darlene5 |
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Silvia New Member
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Can I ask you how much did you pay and in what state do you live in? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Silvia, not sure who your asking this question too. But I live in Washington state, and I went through a company in Florida. They sent me to one of their labs here in washington, for blood tests. Which were then sent to them in florida. After that they prescribed the Hcg to me, and shipped it to me. I spent a total of around $800.00. 5 for blood tests, and 3 for the Hcg. This is around what its going to cost you if you chose to get your Hcg from with in the United states and with a prescription. Other wise you can get it without a prescription which is a lot cheaper, and you dont have to purchase any blood tests. But it will be coming from over seas some where. (Another country). This is how I understand it anyways. I chose the clinic in Florida, just because it's who Kevin Trudaue has on his website as a good place to go. I figured if I get it from his site, and it doesnt work, then I would know that the diet doesnt work no matter where you get the Hcg from. Darlene5 Last edited on 9 August 2008 05:18 am by Darlene5 |
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Sounds lke you are all doing so well but it sounds painful oouch!! Fair play to you all if it works for you good luck |
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Silvia New Member
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did you get injections or sublingual? Do they have the same effect? Also, did you have any side effects? |
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Silvia New Member
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did you get injections or sublingual? Do they have the same effect? Also, did you have any side effects? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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I got Injections. Sublingual doesn't work. The molecules in Hcg are too large to enter sublingualy. And Kevin in his book says it doesn't work. Also Dr. Simeons did injections. I've read in a ton of places about people having success with sublingual doses. So maybe things have changed, and they have thought of a way to make it work I dont know. But I easily decided that if I"m going to spend money to do this then I better do it the way they (Dr. Simeons and Kevin Trudaue) say to do it, or I'd be taking a huge chance of wasting my money and time. I dont understand why people think its painful. I dont feel a thing. These needles are so very short and thin. I mean REALLY SHORT. Like half of half an inch. It goes in Sub-Q, Not in the muscle. Some places give you longer needles for going into the muscle. But most places I know of do short needs for the superficial tissue. This is not like the needles in Hospitals. It's very simple and painless and takes five seconds to do it each morning. No side effects. I did have little headaches the first five days. And felt very tired the first three days, but both went completely away. Hope this helps, and good luck : ) I've lost 14 pounds in 19 days so far. Darlene5 Last edited on 9 August 2008 05:39 pm by Darlene5 |
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Your results are fantastic. I dont think i could administer it myself though. I am qualified to take blood and it does not bother me doing it to others but when i had to monitor my sugar levels which was just a pin prick i go in a right state of panic. Silly really you would think after child birth i would not be bothered, just a baby myself i think. Best of luck to those of you who manged it its obviously giving desired results. |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene I'm so glad that you're getting such good results! Way to stick with it! As for my period I stop the injections for the first 3 days, I have a relatively light period so I'm starting to slow down and almost be done by then. I continue the diet and I don't have any hunger problems. I don't cheat, I just keep telling myself that this is only for a few weeks and if I cheat I'll just have to stay on it longer. Not that it's terrible, I actually feel great when I'm on the shots, I just miss getting to eat more then 2X a day. And it's funny the things I crave are things like mango & avocado not anything sinister. Actually to be honest I actually did cheat a little 2 days ago. I tried to slip a mango past instead of my strawberries thinking that I could get away with it and surprise- I didn't lose any weight that day. That's what Dr. Simeon is talking about in his manuscript when he says people drive him crazy trying to sub their own things when he has spent so much time researching the exact things that work. Anyway hang in there. I would probably try to not do the shots on your period for at least 2-3 days, it's surprising but you'll see that things don't really change, other then the fact that you probably won't lose any weight while you're on. No worries it starts right back after. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks so much for your reply Katie, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking I'd stay off the shots the first three days of my period. So glad you agree. So that is what I'll do. I'll go longer if I can, just depends on if I start getting too hungry I guess. I've come to realize all the other positive things this diet is doing for me. I'm eating more veggies, fruits, and meat then I ever did before. This diet has taught me how to eat them, and now I dont think I can ever go a day with out eating an apple. And to go this long with absolutely no sugar, is the best part of all. Im retraining my body. I think that after I come off this diet I wont have the sugar cravings anymore. Which is huge in it self. Also just the fact that I'm cleaning my body out. This diet is like a good cleanse for the body. The foods were eating are all clean, and healthy. The meals on this diet fill me up. I dont feel hungry afterwards. But certain hours between time I get cravings which feels like hunger, and is most the time Bread, cookies, ice cream, crackers, Cereal, and peanut butter. But It has gotten better. I can not stress enough how guzzling a large glass of water helps. The hunger is gone after wards. I cant believe how much I'm able to drink either!. I always had a problem dinking enough water before this diet. But during this diet its very simple. The protocol says that during this diet you dont feel hungry at all, and have no cravings. Which I disagree with. But it does decrease my appetite enough to where with a little will power I can do it. Where as with out the shot's it's just completely impossible. Plus they keep you from feeling weak, shakey, and tired which helps dramatically!. Darlene5 Last edited on 10 August 2008 06:40 pm by Darlene5 |
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cynda79 New Member
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just started HCG injections at home. Looking for friends...THX |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Cynda, how many days into it are you? And how are you doing with it? Darlene5 |
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EweWho Member
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Darlene5 wrote: I got Injections. Sublingual doesn't work. The molecules in Hcg are too large to enter sublingualy. And Kevin in his book says it doesn't work. Also Dr. Simeons did injections.I don't believe half of what Kevin says. He had great results from the protocol and found a way to make money. I've lost almost 70 pounds so far, and am doing sublingual. Everyone I know personally who is doing the protocol is doing sublingual. We are all losing at the same rate as those who are doing injections. I am taking 150IU per day SUBLINGUALLY. I've completed 4 rounds doing it SL. You couldn't pay me to do it with injections. If you are going to do it the way Dr. Simeons did, then you need to do it IM, not SC. You would need a needle that is at least 1.25" long to reach the muscle. Last edited on 11 August 2008 03:47 pm by EweWho |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene I think that getting off the sugar is so important, I don't think that we realize how much it affects us everyday and getting off it is such a key to lifetime results. I already knew that I would never go back to white sugar but I was confused about organic sugar. During my 6 weeks in between shots I didn't have any sugar until that last weekend when I started the shots again and they were my gorging days. I made organic oatmeal cookies with organic sugar. I hadn't had any sugar in 11 weeks. I did have a small amount of raw honey after 4 weeks in phase 3 and had no problems with that. But immediately after eating those cookies I got a headache and I didn't feel well. I later talked to a friend that has had almost no sugar since finishing the protocol last year and said that whenever she has a little sugar that she gets headaches. That just shows how much our bodies are telling us that it is not good for us. I will be sticking with Stevia, Agave Nectar, Raw Honey, & Maple Syrup when I'm done with the protocol, just remembering how I felt after that little bit of sugar will help keep me on the straight and narrow. |
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katiepen New Member
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I don't really care if Kevin Trudeau wrote the book to make money, he brought this protocol out into the open and that has helped so many people. It was mainly underground for so many years and his book has caused an explosion of talk about it. You know what they say, any publicity is good publicity. He did a lot of research, he's a reporter, he researches other people's work , and he researched Dr. Simeon's work along with newer studies about the protocol. His references are all in the book. And most of what he talks about not only makes so much sense but has tons of research behind it. I'm so tired of people that want to bash him for his past or his desire to make money, who doesn't, I'm sure that you get paid for your job. He's helping a lot of people now and that's all that I care about. And if you want to ignore all the other great health stuff in his book then do so at your own expense. I have seen many posts about people that said that they didn't do anything in phase 1, especially the cleanses and they end up having a much harder time on the shots, stabalizing in phase 3 and keeping the weight off. |
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EweWho Member
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Yes, he brought the protocol out into the open again. It was popular in the 1970s and because of the misuse and abuse of the protocol, it disappeared. If you belong to other forums, you will see that again people are misusing it. Because of the Internet, the protocol is growing. People do hear about it through Kevin's book, I'm one of them. I bought the book and started reading about it. I didn't do the cleanses in Phase 1. I've been doing other cleanses for years, just not all of them that he suggests. I started drinking the teas he suggests, but switched to other herbal teas. I belong to another forum that started in April and has grown to more than 700 members in three months. That alone shows that people are looking for an answer to obesity. None of the founding members did Phase 1. None of them have had any problems losing, and of the ones who have reached goal, none have had any problem maintaining their weight. I'm not saying that cleansing isn't important. I'm just saying that if you can't afford it, don't worry about it because the protocol will still work for you. I'm not saying that Kevin shouldn't have written a book. I am just saying that he isn't the "creator" of the protocol and you don't have to take what he says as gospel. He didn't include oranges in his diet. Dr. Simeons did in his original manuscript. All I am saying is to do your own research and don't say that things won't work unless you know this to be a fact. Don't say that something won't work because Kevin says it won't because there are too many people out there who have proven it does. What works for some won't work for others. What doesn't work for some, does work for others. Too many people never read Pounds & Inches and turn to others for the answers. If you quote P & I when you answer, you can't go wrong. Last edited on 11 August 2008 04:49 pm by EweWho |
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cynda79 New Member
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Hi, today is my second day. I dont know if I "feel" anything yet. I am scared outa my mind that something will go wrong like blood clot after injection. I got the HCG from Rocky Point and giving myself injections. Do you think maybe I am just being a worry wart? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Ewe who, Everything Kevin has in his book regarding the diet (besides phase 1) is basically identical to Dr. Simeons Protocol. So whats the problem with me mentioning Kevin at the same time I mention Dr. Simeon's when talking about injections and sublingual? They both say the same thing in regards to that. So whats the big diff? Alls I said was Dr. Simeons did injections, and Kevin say's sublingual doesnt work. So Im just relaying what I've heard. And I'm pretty darn sure you cant come on here and tell me what not to say. Besides did you not see where I also wrote, "Maybe they have now figured out a way for Sublingual to work, I dont know"??? You sound a bit too defensive over nothing. Your method is fine if it's working for you. That's great! If your going to get upset at someone saying that sublingual MIGHT not work, then how can you turn around and do the same exact thing to someone else by saying they shouldnt do sub Q shots? I and many others who have lost weight take 250 IU SubQ. The dose is larger so it works just as well as 125 in the muscle. Are you saying this doesnt work? You could have just wrote back a nice note saying that Sublinguals worked great for you. Because that's what this board is, an informational sight for people to learn from each other. I was only repeating what I've heard. Isn't that what your doing? Darlene5 Last edited on 11 August 2008 09:05 pm by Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Cynda, what would make you worry about getting a blood clot? Is this your second gorging day? Darlene5 |
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cynda79 New Member
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hi darlene, yes today is my second gorging day but not hungry at all. What should I expect to feel? how has your experience been? I hope my questions do not annoy you, you just seem to know so much about this diet |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Actually Cynda I'm not too much ahead of you on this diet. This is my first time, and I'm on day 22. I read Dr. Simeons protocol, and Kevin Trudaue's book. Have you read either one of these? During my gorging days I felt very tired. In the beginning some people get headaches for a few days. And some people feel more energy through out most the diet. Besides this I havent heard of any other side effects. The Hcg doesnt make you feel different really. It just helps you stay on a 500 calorie diet with out feeling weak, or too hungry. It was hard for me during the gorge days too. But they say its very important to eat all the fat you can. It will help with the hunger the first few days of the low cal diet. I had a problem with hunger for a long time. I cant drink caffeine so I think that was a big part of it. But it's gotten a lot better. I think because it was mostly cravings, and sense I starved the cravings they are now gone for the most part. My advise would be to just stick with it, because it gets easier and easier after time, and then you will be so glad you did. And guzzling a large glass of water with lemon helps dramatically when feeling hungry. Of course your questions dont annoy me, dont be silly. Thats what this forum is for. Questions. : ) |
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cynda79 New Member
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Thanks Darlene...I hope this diet realy does work, i dont want to sound negative but i just dont know if this is the right diet for me. I will give it the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. today is my first day of 500 cal and not hard at all and not feeling hungry either. I have noticed that im very thirsty and surprised at how much water im drinking so maybe all the fluid keeping me from being hungry. Thanks for being so nice, it realy helps to be able to "connect" with others that are doing the same exact diet as i am |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Cynda that sounds great! Your doing better than I did. I was starving in the beginning. And I still have problems with cravings and hunger. Glad to hear its going so well for you. : ) Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Well Im a bit disappointed in my self. I ate ice cream and peanut butter toast today. It was just too hard to control today. Sucks! And I just ate some cookie's Screw it! I've already screwed up the whole day may as well enjoy it. I'll be back on track tomorrow. I hope I at least stay the same weight instead of a gain. Its the fourth day of my period and I took a shot today. Maybe thats why the cravings are worse today. Who knows. Darlene5 Last edited on 13 August 2008 01:52 am by Darlene5 |
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Darlene, Just start back tomorrow, it will come off in 1 or 2 days. At least it did with me when I've cheated. I gained 2 to 2 1/2 ibs. I have to work at it hard because I have events I have to attend which of course usually means meals and I'm not in control of what is servered and prepared. I eat before or take my meal with me when I can. But, I have lost 18.5 lbs and have 7 more days to go. Tomorrow I should be under 250, I hope. So if you cheat just get back on the wagon. I leave 2 days after I finish the shots for a 2 1/2 weeks which includes a wedding. I just hope I can keep everything under control. Keep up the good work. |
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cynda79 New Member
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Darlene, enjoy your cheat day! like you said start over 2moro. Today is my 3rd day of shot n 500cal and i am not hungry at all. I have maybe had 1/2 chicken tender (boiled) and couple bites of cabbage in past 3 days, Do you know if I have to eat? what about the fruit, I feel so guilty about carbs that I dont ever eat fruit cynda |
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cynda79 New Member
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does any one know if i can get syringes for the HCG? Im afraid to look like a drug addict if i ask pharmacy... im in arizona. thnks cynda |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Cynda If you are going to be injecting Hcg into your self, then you will want to follow the protocol. The two go together. You dont lose more weight the less you eat. Infact you lose less that way. You have to eat at least 475-500 calories each day. No less, no more. Also You need the certain chemical compounds in each of the foods in order for the body to respond to the Hcg correctly. So there are only certain foods you can eat, and no other foods. Kevin Trudaue's Book, and Dr. Simeons protocol tells you which foods you are suppose to eat. Trust me if you dont eat the write foods, you wont lose nearly as much, or you wont lose any. Example: ( The protocol says you can only chose between these three fruits because of their chemical compounds and how they work with Hcg weight loss: Strawberry's, grapefruit, and Apple. If you eat a Mango instead it will screw up the whole weight loss process, and you probably wont lose as much that day or none at all.) How much weight do you have to lose? Why do you need needles? What have you been using instead of needles thus far? Darlene5 Last edited on 14 August 2008 12:14 am by Darlene5 |
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Stacey New Member
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Hi Darlene - I just started the HCG injections about 10 days ago. I have read through your comments on the forums about the humger. I have been very hungry these last few days and have cheated on the diet. I'm not sure if that just makes the hunger worse for the next few days or not, but I'm actually hungry in my stomach and not sure if I'm doing something wrong. What did you to to help the hunger subside? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Stacy, I dont know what to tell you cause I"m still hungry too. And as you saw, I just recently cheated. Some days are easy and some days are hard. For me anyways.....Thats the weird thing. A lot of people say it's not hunger and that its cravings. But the book says your not suppose to have cravings. And to me cravings are just as hard as hunger. But the cravings do go away a little, and like I said I have plenty of days where it's some what easy. Also I do know that the Hcg IS in fact decreasing my appetite. Its just not by a lot. Its like just enough to be able to do the diet. Im different though, from most people doing this diet. So if your like everyone else your hunger will probably go completely away. I dont drink caffiene so that might be why I have hunger. But dinking a butt load of water helps me the most : ) Are you doing injections or sublingual? In the muscle or Sub Q? And from where did you get your Hcg? What ever you do dont give up. I know that it gets better. Darlene5 Last edited on 14 August 2008 03:14 am by Darlene5 |
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Stacey New Member
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Thanks Darlene! I'm doing injections and into the muscle. I got my HCG from a doctor in Tennessee that I was seeing for hormone replacement. I really need to lose about 60 pounds at the least. I would say what I have is hunger because I had lots of cravings before and this is different - it's hunger. I haven't been having caffeine either - does that have something to do with it? I'm not a coffee drinker and have never really liked tea unless it was sweet. I did have tea for breakfast yesturday, but didn't drink it all. I need to get some Stevia to sweeten it. Do you know where you find that? I'm thinking I need to go to a whole foods store or something. We don't have those here in our town, but I think I need to find one maybe. Stacey PS - did you increase you dosage? I have seen people mention that too. I think I will call the doctor and ask them tomorrow. They had told me that after the first week the people they had on the diet were not hungry at all. Last edited on 14 August 2008 03:27 am by Stacey |
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cynda79 New Member
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Darlene, I read the books and understand what is supposed to be done but I just can not bring myself to eat. I have been calculating what I eat and its under 100 cal. I know this is not good but I am just not hungry. I started at 137lbs and I am down to 134lbs I would like to get back to my normal weight of 110lbs. I am injecting myself with HCG that I purchased in Rocky Point but I have used all the syringes that I bought, do you know if I can reuse them? (I am not sharing needles with other person) Maybe soak them in diluted bleach H2O? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Stacy, I think when its in the muscle you can go up to 200 IU for the injections, but no more. I'd ask your doctor what they think though. I never upped my dose. I do 250 injections Sub Q. The dose is larger cause its in the superficial tissue and not muscle. Are your injections daily? If not then that could be the problem. You sound like me. I had 60 pounds to lose in the beginning too. And I dont drink coffee. I know that for most people Caffeine can decrease their appetite somewhat. So I was thinking maybe those people have it easier. You can get Stevia at Fred Meyers, in the healthfood section. Thats where I got mine. I hope it gets better for you soon! Keep me posted : ) Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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cynda79 wrote: Darlene, Cynda, Are you taking anything else other than this Hcg? Any diet pills? You should talk to the clinic where you got the Hcg from about this if possible. I havent heard of Rocky Point. But this doesnt sound healthy to me if your only eating around 100 calories. Not only that your probably waisting this Hcg, because it doesnt work like its suppose to if you not eating the full 500 calories. So right now your probably losing LESS weight than you would if you were doing this WITHOUT the Hcg. Maybe they can lower your dose so it's allowing you to eat more. I really have no idea. How many times are you injecting yourself each day? And what's the dosage? You shouldnt be out of needles this early. No, you should NOT Reuse the needles. Please dont, it's not safe. Cynda, how Tall are you? Darlene5 |
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Yes, Darlene, I read your entire post. But look at your first statement in the post. You stated as fact that you are doing injections and that sublingual doesn't work. "I got Injections. Sublingual doesn't work. The molecules in Hcg are too large to enter sublingualy. And Kevin in his book says it doesn't work." Then you qualified that you have heard that a ton of people are doing sublingual and maybe things have changed. But the first statement is fact, the second sounds like your own thoughts on the matter. To be defensive, you first have to take offense, and I didn't take offense at your post, I was just trying to point out the fact that the protocol works many ways on different people. What works for you may not work for me. That is why someone can't make statements saying that this or that works. I personally know a girl who has lost more than 100 pounds using 125IU subcutaneously, so I know it works that way too. As a matter of fact, everyone that I see doing injections is doing SC, not IM. I *think* possibly the reason I came across the way I did is because being an admin on an hCG forum we have to keep things balanced there and with more than 700 members it isn't always easy, quick judgment is required. I overstepped here because I saw a flag in your statement that made me respond. I apologize for that. I have to remember that information or misinformation on this forum is someone else's responsibility. You are right, I should have just written a statement that said that sublingual works for me, and those I personally know that are doing the protocol. I try to speak from experience, mainly mine. If I say something that is contrary to protocol, I tell that someone is doing this or that and it worked or did not work for them. I always clarify that it is a deviation and that it may not work for everyone. The problem with making statements as being facts, even from Kevin's book, is that there is always room for interpretation, how you read the statement, and how the reader of your post interprets what you are saying. The best example I can give in regards to KT's book is that in one place he states to mix your vegetables. In another it says to NOT mix your vegetables. The first one is obviously a typo, but one person may remember clearly that the book says to mix and state that as fact. Another case in point is that in Dr. Simeons' original manuscript, oranges were listed. In the Microsoft Word file, they are omitted, probably an error by the typist. KT also omits them. I use them because they are in the original manuscript's pdf file, which is a direct copy of the book. I've been on protocol for almost a year and I am still learning new information daily. This forum was pointed out on our forum and I dropped in to see what I could learn from the members here. Good luck on your journey. |
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katiepen New Member
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Cynda, I am really concerned that you are not eating your 500 calories on this protocol. You have to force yourself, it's very important or your body is probably going into starvation mode and I would bet that you are losing muscle not fat. It's very important to follow this protocol properly for it to work. |
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cynda79 New Member
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Hi Darlene, I am not going to a clinic I got the HCG from a pharmacy in Rocky Point Mexico so I am doing this on my own. I only bought 5 syringes because I wasnt sure of size. I used the last one today and dont know if I can buy over counter. I inject myself with 250iu daily. Today I have forced myself to eat more like you said its so weird though because just the smell of food makes me nauseous it reminds me of when i was pregnant but that is impossible because my husband had a vasectomy. Anyways my height is 5'5" cynda |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Katiepen, what are your thoughts on this?? Cynda, I just really hope you stick with eating at least 500 calories each day. I'm not experienced enough in this to know what kinds of things you can do to help you eat more. Katiepen might have some ideas though. She's done this protocol a few times already. She might know where to get more needles too. As I dont. The only thing I can think of is maybe taking less Hcg and see what happens. And dont drink Caffeine if you can. Im hoping though that this place in Mexico didnt give you something other that good clean Hcg. Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Katiepen, Dr. Simeons protocol doesnt include Broccoli as one of the allowed vegetables. But GHI Medical has Broccoli on their list of allowed vegetables. Seeing how you also went through GHI medical, I was wondering if you ate broccoli during the diet? And if so did it work out ok? Thanks, : ) Darlene5 |
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cynda79 New Member
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Thanks Darlene I was able to get new sterile needles and syringes at pet feed store |
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katiepen New Member
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cynda, I'm so glad that you are eating your food, I was really worried. Try some different foods if you're still getting sick. How long have you been on the protocol? darlene, I did not have broccoli. I stick with Dr.Simeon & KT and when I"ve tried to stray ( as with the mango) I pay the price in 0 pounds lost. |
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cynda79 New Member
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2day is my 5th day on protocol. I have always had an eating disorder...to the point where I would fast drinkning only water and black coffee for up to 7days to maintain weight. I put on 30lbs in past 6months so I was very disgusted and disappointed in myself for losing control, maybe this the reason why its difficult for me to eat. Perhaps it is all in my head? What I can say is that this HCG is helping me not be hungry at all just thirsty and I am drinking lots of water but seem to be urinating less than what I would expect from all the water consumption. Dont know if any of this makes sence but just wanted to post |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Cynda I've struggled with an eating disorder too and it definately messes with our heads. And I totally understand how you feel about gaining the weight although I know that I've talked to myself like that, it hurts to hear you be so hard on yourself. I did this protocol last year and lost 30 pounds. I didn't finish phase 3 correctly and got really liberal on phase 4 and over the last year I gained the weight back. I was very hard on myself for not completing this process which I truly believe is the answer for my many years of struggling, along with therapy to deal with the stuff in my head about my body. I think that the important thing to concentrate on now is the present which is the only thing that we can change. We've found the answer, we're doing it, we need to be supportive of ourselves and gentle with ourselves. I've lost 28 pounds again and I have 12 more to go. I will finish phase 3 to a tee and follow the principles in phase 4, I've learned my lesson. The only thing that can get in my way now is my negative self talk and I don't want to let that happen. You're on the right track, be gentle with yourself and Hang in there! |
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cynda79 New Member
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Big THANK U to Katiepen and Darlene for all your words of support...it realy helps to be able to communicate with others that feel the same way I do. Something that I noticed today is that I can "feel" my right ovary. sometimes before my period I get somewhat of a pulling sensation in my ovary area and the doc told me before that its normal just the female body going through ovulation, but I am not near my period yet and I can feel the same sensation. Its not more than what I would normaly feel just not the right time. Should I be concerned? Is this normal with HCG? It is supposed to stimulate the ovaries right?? Any feedback will be great cynda |
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cynda79 New Member
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HELP....now that I started to eat the 500 cals (even had 2 apples yesterday) I PUT ON 1.5lbs why? what is going on???? I was losing when i was restricting food...Oh my this is a sad sad day for me.PS I read post about yerba mate and had a cup last nite to help me sleep...do you think maybe this caused the gain???? |
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cynda79 New Member
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Where is everyone at??? HELLO HELLO???? |
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cynda79 New Member
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told u guys today was gona be sad day! I tried to give myself the injection just now and hit a vain because got blood when i pulled back plunger...now im scared what if i keep hitting a vain. I need you guys where r u??? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Cynda, Most women ovulate about fifteen days after the first day of your period. So if your period starts on the 5th of the month then you would probably ovulate around the 20th. Some women ovulate more than once a month sometimes, and some ovulate at totally different times of the month. So it's hard to say in your case. I do know that taking Hcg makes you more ferile. It does stimulate the ovaries. But I dont think that this small amount can do much. Unless your in pain I wouldnt worry about it. Darlene5 Last edited on 16 August 2008 05:58 pm by Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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No, the Yerba Mate tea wouldnt have done that. And you probably shouldnt drink it before bed time cause the stuff is simular to caffeine in that it gives you energy. Tell me everything you ate yesterday, Exactly every thing. In portion sizes too. Dont panic ok!! It's all going to be ok, it could just be the fat moving around and it could just be water weight. Dont worry! Darlene5 Last edited on 16 August 2008 11:49 pm by Darlene5 |
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Cynda, How long are your needles, and where are you giving the injections???? Darlene5 |
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cynda79 New Member
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Darlene, yesterday I ate small red organic apple for breakfast, 1 chicken tender boiled with cup of cabbage for lunch and dinner. I had 2nd apple in beteween lunch and dinner. H2O throughout day. I did not have anything after 6pm with the exeption of yerba tea. I had trouble sleeping and woke up around 4:30am and had large glass of water because I was so thirsty but didnt weigh myself till regular time at 6:30ish. Do you think the water made difference? The needles I use are 1 1/2" and im injecting upper thighs. Should I do the "apple day" I still havent had any food today because im so freaked out. Please tell me what you think |
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Darlene5 New Member
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How many grams was your chicken? It should be 100 grams weighed Raw. Its really important to have a scale, and weight it exact. But everything else you mentioned regarding what you ate sounds good. Did you get any oils on your fingers? Or anywhere else on your skin. Did you use any lotions of any kind? Could you have gotten butter or any other oil or oily soap on your hands while preparing food for your husband or kids? Cynda I really wouldnt inject in the thigh. Its dangerous. Especially with a needle that long. There are major artery's and veins in your thighs that you could hit. Where on your thighs are you injecting? I've done Invitro twice, and with the long needles I was always told to inject in my upper lateral buttocks region. Thats your upper butt and then a little outward away from your spine. Like the Butt/hip region. But with out proper instructions or someone making sure you know exactly where, this can still be risky. You might want to look on the internet for pictures that show where this is. I'll try to find it myself too ok? Or maybe you can go back and get shorter needles. That way you could do it in the stomach, with now sweat.......super easy and safe. Darlene5 Last edited on 16 August 2008 06:44 pm by Darlene5 |
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cynda79 New Member
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I didnt get any oils on skin because i use gloves when cooking and cleaning up. do you know of chapstick that i can use? my lips have always been dry and now on this diet it is worse. I got the thigh area injection from doc website that uses HCG for fertility problems...wow i didnt know it was dangerous. could i get shorter needles and still inject thigh? there is no way i could inject my stomach area and injecting butt area would keep me from being able to see blood when checking for vein right? Geez I feel like such an idiot maybe im just 2 stupid for this diet |
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cynda79 New Member
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okay i went out and got 1" needles, this is the smallest size store carries. do you think this will be okay to inject into thigh? the needle is shorter but seems just a tid bit rounder |
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Darlene5 New Member
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No, no, no, your not an idiot : ). I dont think its dangerous to inject into the thigh if you know what you are doing. Ok? If this is the best way you feel comfortable than thats how you should do it. I didnt know you had good instructions on how to do it. At least if you keep having problems with it, you have the shorter needles you can try. When you inject the Hcg do you then take your finger off the syringe before pulling it out of you? Cause that might cause a little suction. I'll get back to you regarding the chapstick. I saw somewhere that mentioned an ok chapstick to use. I just have to go find it. Be strong, and dont give up! : ) Darlene5 Last edited on 16 August 2008 11:47 pm by Darlene5 |
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Cynda, I dont want to tell you what size needles you should use. I think you should go with what ever is most comfortable for you. And then just make sure you do enough research about it. (When it comes to injecting correctly, and in the right location.) As far as you gaining weight. Im not sure what caused that. But you should just give the diet a chance and see what happens. keep eating the whole 500 calories. NO LESS. And see what happens. It may have just been water weight, or the fat moving around. Or a number of other things we dont know about. I think you'll know if the diet works for you or not, if you give it a full fair chance. So hang in there : ) Darlene5 Last edited on 16 August 2008 11:52 pm by Darlene5 |
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Ok I read on this website, http://www.hcgutah.com/hcg-faq.htm that Carmex is ok to use because it doesnt penetrate the skin. But Regular chapstick is NOT ok. But this website could be incorrect. I have no idea. I know that lipstick is ok to use, so maybe Carmex is too. Darlene5 |
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cynda79 New Member
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Thanks for all your help Darlene. I guess today is just not a good for me. My left thigh that i hit vein this morning is somewhat sore...nothing alarming just feels like after workout muscle sorness. This should be normal right? no possibility of blood clot since i didnt continue with injection after hiting vein right? i tired googling and got lots of usless info. Darlene, how much weight have you lost? is the weightloss noticable? Im thinking perhaps all this stress over what can go wrong with injections is just not worth it. but at the sametime im telling myself 2moro will be 1 week and that i should just hang in there |
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I'm new at this so I don't feel comfortable giving advice, I'm still learning. But here is some info. I use Syringes for 1/2cc for 50 units or less, 5/16" length needle & 30 gauge needle. They are small and thin and I haven't had any trouble with the thigh or stomach & they don't hurt. I had a fear of needles and couldn't even watch a needle going into the skin on tv. At first my husband gave me the shots, but now I'm doing it. I had too when is work hours increased and he wasn't here. I've stayed at the same weight for 2 or 3 days and then dropped 2 or 3 lbs. Friday I gained 1/2 lb but Saturday lost 2 1/2 lbs. So that may happen to you some. Our bodies are all different so we will lose in different ways. I have 3 shots left and I've lost 21 lbs and that's with cheating 3 times. One time I did what Darlene did and decided I was going to enjoy it since I knew I was going to gain anyway. I could have lost more, but decided not to dwell on that, just be grateful I've lost over 20 lbs. I still have 3 more days with shots so it could be more. Just keep trying it is worth it. Here's a couple of hints that the clinic gave me that may help: I don't know if the first statement is made in Kevin's book or Simeon's plan. I have been told not to eat the same fruit or protein twice in the same day by another program that worked very well. Please be advised that you should not eat the same protein, vegetable, or fruit twice in the same day. Apple Cider Vinegar can be used on your salad and marinated on your daily proteins (organic beef, breast of chicken and white fish). This stimulates metabolism and cleansing of the internal organs. It is also powerful in helping to release stored fat cells. Eat Breakfast. Eating breakfast helps to increase your metabolism, decrease appetite and increase your morning blood sugar for energy throughtout the day. Eat 6 small meals per day ( only in stage 1). This helps to increase your metabolism and release abnormal fat reserves. Eat salad with lunch and dinner. Eating a salad made with fresh vegetables helps to stimulate digestion and adds fiber which helps to regulate blood sugar. Add Fiber. Fiber will help relieve constipation, reduce appetite, improve digestion and cleanse the body of toxins. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Cynda, If you know you hit a vein then your most likely not injecting in the right location. Thats why I feel it's safest and easier to use a shorter needles. If you do this you shouldnt have any problems. Your also already pretty thin, so I would slightly pinch the area your injecting. I've lost 15 pounds, and yes I can tell. I see it, and feel it. I lost 15 in 28 days. I didnt lose any weight the whole five days of my period. And there were two days here and there where I didnt lose anything cause I had cheated. Im not sure why you keep mentioning blood Clots. I've never heard of that before. What would cause that? Darlene5 Last edited on 17 August 2008 06:26 am by Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks Tinkerbell, Well maybe thats why I'm not losing more. I eat the same vegetable with each meal. I hate asparagus though! I literally gag on it. So would a cup of regular lettuce for lunch and a cup of cabbage for dinner count as being different. I mean what else is there? I cant sit and eat a cup of radishes, or a cup of onions. And a lot of the time I eat an apple for both lunch and dinner. I gues I'd better change that! : ) Thanks, Darlene5 |
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It's worth trying to see if it works for you. I know that Simeon's plan says to eat only one type of vegie at a meal, but combine sometimes like spinach & a little onion (tsp). Can we use lemon? You could put lemon or apple cider vingar on your aspargus and don'g cook it so that it's too soft, a crisp can make it better. Good luck with the rest of this round for you. I leave for a trip next Thurs which is my 3rd day after my last shots. So that should be interesting making sure I don't eat more than 500 cal. I'll be gone for 3 weeks, which scares me a little since I will be eating out all the time. I need to read that stage again before I leave, because I'm not sure I understand what I'm suppose to do yet. I have to go to bed so I can get up for church in the morning. Have a great day!!! |
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katiepen New Member
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Tinkerbell Be sure to follow phase 3 while you're gone, this is the most important step of the whole protocol. If you cheat all could be lost. Trust me, I know from experience. No starches of any kind including beans & potatoes. And no sugar of any kind, this is very important, you have to check for hidden sugars, no honey, agave nectar, maple syrup, etc... Other then this you are not restricted but you have to be very careful if you're eating out. Bring your own dressing for salad or just get oil & vinegar most other dressings can have hidden sugar. Restaurants put sugar in everything. Eat very basic and try to find organic. Ask lots of questions and don't get any sauces. Good Luck! Cynda, hang in there. You have to follow the protocol. The weight gain was probably protein deficiency from the days that you didn't eat. As I said before the weight loss there was probably muscle & water, not fat, so you have to give your body a chance to even out. Follow the protocol no matter what keep going and you will start losing. If you stop eating again then you will just keep the cycle going of it not working. give it another week eating everything that you are supposed to. And I agree with the others, use shorter needles. There's no need for those long needles. I also inject in my upper outer buttocks and it's easy and I've never drawn blood. Relax, take a long detoxing salt bath everyday, you are being too hard on yourself. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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I have cravings so freaking bad! I want donuts!!! And icecream, and cake! Its horrible, the craving is so strong. And If I could just eat some bread! or even a little peanut butter would sufice. I've been over my period for days now and still havent lost any weight. I did nothing wrong yesterday except eat my dinner at around 9-930 pm when I usually eat it at around 6:30. And then I went to bed at midnight. Thats all I did wrong yesterday, and I gained weight! I'm not giving up, and I wont cheat, but it's so flipping hard! And I'm not doing no Apple day! ha ha ha I'm getting my Hcg from a different place for my second round. I really dont think this Hcg I've been using works good enough. And I'm thinking of doing it in the muscle this next time. Just felt like posting cause I'm bored. : ) Darlene5 |
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cynda79 New Member
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Hello Ladies, I Read everyone's posts and Im glad that everyone is doing so well. Darlene you are so strong for not giving into the craving especially since you are on your cycle. sugar is my weakness when its my time of the month. Here is my update: I totaly freaked out yesterday after the "bad injection" because my left leg became very tingly, somewhat sore and my toes little numb, no discoloration, swelling or bruising though Long story short...I had a panic attack late at night thinking I had a blood clot and it would travel to my lung and kill me... my hubby just about had it because I scared him and then refused go to ER...what would I tell the doc? Anyways today I droped the 1 1/2lbs that I had gained but I didnt give myself shot because my hubby asked me not 2 and I felt so guilty for scaring him that I agreed. I didnt get hungry and I ate normal protocol menu but it was difficult to do so. Should I start shots again tomorrow and continue with diet? Thanks for listening to my whininningCynda |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Cynda, what could cause a blood clot? I'm still not sure why you feel you could get one. I think that you should use the shorter needles. Wouldnt that solve your problem? Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi cynda yes, the hcg is still in your system. Take your shot today and continue on the diet and you will be fine. If you don't take the shot today you will be running out of the hcg in your system and then the 500 calorie diet will just make you tired and weak and you will go into starvation mode. Take your shot right now and relax. If you do a search for hcg forums and read about all the people doing this and self injecting I have yet to find anyone who got a blood clot. relax, use the smaller needles. You will be right back on track. |
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cynda79 New Member
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Thanks guys I will strart back on shots today. If i get shorter needles what size? will the smaller still reach into muscle? Darlene, the blood clot formes when there is trauma to the vein and during the healing process the clot gets too big to disolve and can travel to lung, heart or brain...causing death, stoke, heart attack |
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tinkerbell Member
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cynda, Check my post on 17 August 2008 12:54 am for some suggestions. I put the part about needle size from the post below. This may be of help. "I use Syringes for 1/2cc for 50 units or less, 5/16" length needle & 30 gauge needle. They are small and thin and I haven't had any trouble with the thigh or stomach & they don't hurt. I had a fear of needles and couldn't even watch a needle going into the skin on tv. At first my husband gave me the shots, but now I'm doing it. I had too when is work hours increased and he wasn't here. " |
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cynda79 New Member
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Thanks Tinkerbell off 2 buy new needles i go...2day will be a good day! |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hey Stacey, Are you still out there? havent heard from you in a while. Are you still feeling hungry? Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi guys, well I cheated again today big time. I dont even feel guilty cause I know it was completely impossible not to. I really dont think this Hcg works on me. I tried very hard, but the cravings are just too strong. Maybe I'm already immune to the Hcg because I was so overflooded with it when I was pregnant with my twins ha ha ha ha Either that or I got a bad batch! Depressing cause I dont think I'll be swimming in Vegas like I hoped! I only have I think 10 more shots left. And I've only lost 16 pounds. Because I cheated today that sets me back at least two or three day's before I'll lose anything again. So if I keep with the diet for the remaining shots, I'll probably only lose around four or five more pounds. If that!. So I lost 16 pounds in 30 days. I think I could lose that much weight with out the Hcg. And eat what ever I want in the process. Maybe a diet of 800 calories of any food I want. Sounds better to me. Also this Hcg makes me tired and feeling depressed all the time. But I'm glad for so many of you that it works for! Maybe I'll try again with Hcg from a different company. Darlene5 Last edited on 20 August 2008 04:39 am by Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Darlene What are you talking about it doesn't work for you. 16 pounds in 30 days is a good weight loss and it comes off in all the right places. If you go on an 800 calorie diet you will lose muscle & water not fat and you will put your body into starvation mode so that you will rapidly gain the weight back after the diet. I strongly encourage you to not throw away all of your hard work, finish phase 3 and wait until you feel ready again to do another phase. You've worked too hard to mess with your body like that! |
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tinkerbell Member
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Darlene You are looking at this the wrong way, too much on the negative. Positive points. Have you thought about this: You didn't just loose 16 lbs in 30 days you lost 1.9 lbs on ave each day. What other program can you loose over 1 lb a day  and stay healthy. Just think what the next 10 (9) days can bring. Now was the cravings worth that? Can you stand the cravings for 9 or 10 days more?Then until your next time to take hcg you can research what you can do about the cravings. I know for me I made several mistakes (not cheating) just because I didn't fully understand or forgot some facts of the process, even though I read everthing. So for me this was a learning round as well as a profitable round. You lost more than I did. You said, if I remember correctly, that you didn't load correctly. You probably made other mistakes, which with study and research you won't make next time. Did you walk every day for about 30 mins? Did you drink enough water? Re-read and look for places you can improve next time. Read the process that you have to follow for the next 6 weeks. So was this profitable for you???? I've been checking into something called Miracle Noodles that sounds like it would be ok to take on this program. Just google "Miracle Noodles" to find the website. They sound like they would help with feeling hungry and possibly cravings. How much more do you have to lose? After the 40, 45 days of your first round take the total lost and figure out how many more rounds you will have to do to reach your goal. But I bet you could lose more the next time around than you did this time. I figure if I still to it during during the last 3 weeks of the 6 week break I sure be able to lose a few more pounds before my next round just by following the procedure. Search this forum and others for recipes that you can use for this programs. I've done that and it's helping. This is getting too windy, so I will quit and wish you the best. Just remember you are doing better than you think. Just thing where you could be 6 months from now if you stay with it. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Katiepen, What I mean buy it doesnt work for me is I'm hungry! How can someone stay on a diet where they feel like their starving to death? If this Hcg is really feeding my body 2500 calories then I wouldnt be this hungry. Sure I've lost some weight, but I can lose weight with other diets too, and not be this hungry. I've learned that in recent study's now they are saying that a 800 calorie diet is safe and ok. They have also learned recently that even fasting the body is healthy. So if I were to be on a diet of 800 calories for a short period of time, I'm sure it would be ok. But not that thats what I plan on doing anyways, I was just using it as an example. Also I havent given up completely on this Hcg diet. I mentioned that I need to find some from somewhere else cause this batch I've been using I believe isnt any good. I mean EVERYONE is saying their not hungry at all after the first week. Some cant even stand to eat. Obviously I've got a bad batch, cause not only do I have extreme cravings, but I'm hungry too. These cravings I have are worse, much stronger than when I'm NOT using Hcg. Maybe this stuff just doesnt work the same for me as other people. I'm still going to use up the last of my shots. And I'm doing an Apple day today to hopefully make up for the cheating yesterday. But what I was saying is if next time around I dont find any that works for the appetite then I wont be doing the diet again. I've got to find the kind Cynda got!!! Darlene5 Last edited on 20 August 2008 05:57 pm by Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Also Darlene I think that I remember you saying when you started that you didn't do any of phase 1. These things can really help with the cravings. During your break I would encourage you to revisit phase 1 and do some of the cleanses until you are ready for another round. I did a lot of phase 1 before I started, one of the most important parts I think was the candida clease, candida causes a lot of cravings especially for sugar which it sounds like what you are struggling with. You have a good start to build on, don't throw it all away when you are so close to achieving your goals. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks Tinkerbell, I understand what your saying. But how do you come up with 1.9 pounds a day on average??? ha ha ha ha ha 16 pounds in 30 days is about Half a pound each day. : )......But I understand what your saying because even half a pound a day is good! Its not that, I'm not complaining about this diet not taking off the weight fast enough. Not at all! I was saying its the hunger! And the cravings that I have to struggle with everyday. Its so hard, and it puts me in a bad mood for my kids, and the Hcg makes me feel tired and depressed. I dont want to do anything cause I dont have the energy. When ever I would take a walk I wouldnt lose any weight the next day. So I stopped. And all the days where I took my kids to the park or shopping I'd be like, "cool! I bet I'll lose a good amount tomorrow cause I'm moving around so much". But it would be nothing the next morning. No this was not profitable for me. I Paid $800.00 to lose 16 or so pounds. So I dont find that to be profitable. At this very moment, I have 45 more pounds to lose to be at my goal weight. You wrote""I figure if I still to it during during the last 3 weeks of the 6 week break I sure be able to lose a few more pounds before my next round just by following the procedure. Search this forum and others for recipes that you can use for this programs. I've done that and it's helping."" I'm not sure I understand what your saying right there?? : ) Thanks for your encouragement Tink. I am going to finish my injections for that last five or so pounds. After that I will probably do it again with Hcg from somewhere else. But if I cant find any that work for appetite better, then I probably wont be doing the diet again. Thats basically what I was previously saying. I have eight more injections till I hit 40. I saw that you said you could do 45 days is that right? I thought a person gets immune to it after 40 days. Well I wonder if I could skip a day of injections a few days a week to make it stretch out longer so I dont get immune to it? And can lose more weight by staying on the diet longer. Does that work? Like I could still only be using a total of 45 injections but stretch it out to fifty or more days by skipping an injection here and there. That would give me an extra ten days ontop of the eight I have right now. I dont know. I'd just like to get all I can out of this before quiting, and some how make up for the cheating days a little. And I have a lot more Hcg thats just going to get wasted if I dont use it. It was my husbands when he was doing the diet, but he had to quit the diet early cause he got bleeding Ulsers. Darlene5 Last edited on 20 August 2008 07:31 pm by Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks Katie, You are right I didnt do much in phase 1. I actually did do the candida cleanse though. But thats the only one I did. I did the threelac cleanse. Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Does anyone know much about the apple day? Do I have to drink Cornsilk tea, cause I dont have any and Im doing the apple day today. Also does anyone know if its ok to use cinnamon on the apple when doing an apple day? Thanks, Darlene5 |
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tinkerbell Member
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Darlene, I just replied to you, but lost everything and don't have time to do it again so here's a short version. I'm trying to get ready to leave for 3 wks and try to do too much. Sorry about the math, transposed the number trying to hurry. Just want to encourage. You show determination by finishing this round. If you do another just look at things you did incorrect this time and make correction. I know I did and plan on making sure I do better in those areas. I don't plan on cheating Ha, have a back up plan if it happens. To cheat with more protein & vegies not with sugar and starches which can cause cravings and hunger. I wish you the best and will check in to see how you are doing when I get back. |
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Alli bo balli New Member
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Darlene and Tink...I have been reading everything and am glad to know you people are going through this! I just picked up my injections and will wait to start due to a family vacation in San Fran for labor day weekend. Would you guys agree? When i have my "Gorge" days I want to eat what I want rather than what my family wants to eat! :) |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Alli bo balli I would start my injections so that my gorge days are on my last days in San Francisco. They have absolutely the best restaurants and that way you can feel good about eating instead of guilty. That's actually where I had my gorge days the first time that I did this protocol and it worked out well. Good Luck! Darlene Way to hang in there. Just be sure to do your 3 weeks of phase3 without cheating, that's the most important part so that you can keep off what you've lost. I understand how you feel, it's frustrating when you want to lose more. I took Sunday off and ate out, I ate really healthy but I still gained 2 pounds and I'm still not at the weight that I was on Sun. before eating out. Pretty much this whole week will be lost. This diet just does not allow cheating, you don't get away with anything. I knew that but life just happened on Sun and now I have to pay the price. Hopefully your next round won't be so difficult and you'll be able to not cheat and get faster results. Just don't do what I did after the first time and end up gaining back what you lost because I burnt out and didn't do phase 3.. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks Katiepen, My only problem mostly has been sweets. The cravings are unbelievable. I thought phase three was for 6 weeks??? Can we only do 3? There is no way I can go 6 more weeks with out any sugar. Its just impossible. So I know now that I wont be able to follow phase three to a T. I'll follow it to my best ability though. I havent gained any weight from my cheat day. When ever I cheat I see a no loss/ no gain on the scale the next morning. But then the next morning after that is when I see the gain. Well this time I did an apple day the day after my cheat day, which was yesterday. And this morning showed no gain. I was the same weight. So I think I might have overcome that gain. But it still sucks to have to stay at the same weight for two/three days, so I'm still paying for my cheat day. Just not as much though. Also during my Apple day I was strangely only able to eat two apples. I know that probably defeats the purpose, and maybe apple day only works if you eat all six apples. I dont know. But I had remembered something I had gotten from my Doctor a while back. Its liquid cromium. Which helps sugar cravings. I kept putting drops under my tongue yesterday. Maybe thats why I could only eat two apples. I didnt have cravings for sweets yesterday! So maybe I have found a solution to my problem. Time will tell, I'll use it today and see how it goes. But I thought I'd pass this on in case other people are having problems with sugar cravings. Darlene5 Last edited on 21 August 2008 04:36 pm by Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene I believe that it says on the apple day to just eat as many as you need just not more then 6 so it sounds like you did it perfectly. And you only have to do phase 3 for 3 weeks so maybe those drops can get you through. Good Luck! |
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Alli bo balli New Member
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I am doing the 23 injection through a wellness center...I weigh 159 and my goal weight is 130..do you think this is possible to loose this much? Thank you for the insight...it's a little over whelming...I just want to make sure I do this right!!! |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Alli It's possible but everybody's body is different. Women lose slower then men and our periods get in the way too. I lost 30 pounds the first time but that was on the 40 day protocol. You'll probably need to do 40 days if you want to lose 30 pounds in the first round. But just take it from the beginning and see what your body does. |
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Alli bo balli New Member
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Yeah...that's what I was thinking..i'll try the 23 day first and see what happens. How are you doing? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Alright well this Hcg is working even less than it was before. I'm hungrier and hungrier every day and not losing anything. I cheated again today!! I'm sorry but Im truly hungry, and sugar cravings are just not controlable. I thought the Chromium worked. But I think the only reason why I wasnt that hungry on the apple day is because I had pigged out the day before! I think I'm immune to the Hcg now. Earlier than most I know. But If it never really worked that great in the first place, I can see how I'd become immune sooner then most people. I'm interested to know if it did anything at all. If the whole batch was bad, then maybe I can start over with new Hcg from somewhere else. So my question is who out there can tell me where to buy the cheapest with the fastest delivery? Thanks, Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Alli I'm doing great now. I was losing my resolve a little and wanting to be done and then I lost 1 whole week because I ate outside the diet for 1 day. It's amazing, I only ate a moderate amount of healthy foods but I gained 2 pounds, it then took 3 days before I started losing again and it took me 3 more days to take the 2 pounds off. This diet is just so specific, you can't cheat or it costs you big time. But now I've gotten my second wind, I'm so glad that I didn't give up. I only have 8 more pounds to go before I reach my goal weight. I'm so excited. I'm on my period right now so I probably won't lose for a couple more days but then it should only be hopefully no more then 2 more weeks and I will be done with the last diet that I will ever have to do. It's an incredible feeling. I will complete phase 3 perfectly and then live in phase 4. I will weigh myself everyday for the rest of my life and whenever I gain more then 2 pounds then I will do a "steak" day. I will never be fat again! It only took me 40 years to finally find a solution but I will happily take it! How are you doing? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Wow where did everyone go? Everyone probably got tired of listening to me complain. Well good news, I figured it out! This whole time I've been thinking that I just got a bad batch of Hcg. Well about five days ago, with the same size small needles I began giving the injections into my thighs. There are somewhat safe locations on the thigh where you can get to the Muscle with the short needles. Now normally the rule is to lower the dose of Hcg if injecting into the muscle. But I stayed at my 250IU anyways. And guess what? HUGE DIFFERENCE!! I now feel the energy, I finally feel the decreased appetite, and no more sugar cravings, (or at least not nearly as bad). And I'm loseing weight again. I can not beleive I lost 16 pounds in 30 days when this Hcg wasnt even working!! No wonder I was craving like mad! I can now see how it's pretty easy to stay on the diet. And I lost over a pound this morning 1.2 thats a first! To bad I didnt start doing this way earlier. I didnt start till about day 35 of this 45 day limit diet and it was after a cheat day. But maybe I can go way past the 45 day rule, because perhaps most those previous stomach injections didnt even really count. I think most of it just sat in the fat of my stomach and didnt move into my system. I obviously wasnt getting enough. That would explain the constant itchy stomach too. But this must be the case for me. They say never more than 200 in the muscle, but in my case Im taking 250 and it's working great. In a way I'm glad it happened this way, because I might get to stay on the diet longer, and there for lose more weight. Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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That's wonderful news Darlene! I would say to just keep doing the injections as long as it is working until immunity hits. You'll know when that is, you'll have uncontrollable hunger and you will stop losing weight. You might want to start skiping 1 shot a week, that helps delay immunity. Then take your 6 week break. I'm so glad that you've found a solution. That just helps to show my suspicion that when people are still hungry after the first week that they are not getting a high enough dose. Way to go! Your perseverence is inspiring, you've had a rough time but you've just kept going, that's the way to succeed! |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Katie, your so nice! : ) Thank you very much. I can say the same for you you know?! You have come a long way, I cant believe only eight more pounds to go for you! Thats got to be so exciting, and you have enough days left in your diet to for sure acheive that. I'm very happy for you. Are you as excited about buying new clothes as I am? ha ha ha. I can finally wear something other than jeans and T-shirts. : ) Darlene5 Last edited on 28 August 2008 04:18 pm by Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Thanks Darlene I don't need to buy new clothes, I'm just excited about being able to wear the ones in my closet that have just sat there unable to fit. It's like going shopping in my own closet, that's very exciting. But mostly I'm excited about having a plan for the rest of my life so that I never have to go back to the yo yo dieting roller coaster that I've been on since I did my first diet at 12. And not only that but the ways that I have changed in the way I view food (or what is mostly out there that I don't even view as food anymore). These changes can only bring me not only peace with food but the vibrant health that I have been seeking in the last few years. It's a wonderful feeling! And as of today I have 6 more pounds to lose. For the first time on this protocol I actually lost weight while I was on my period. Crazy, but this round started so slow I was going crazy but now it seems to have taken off and I am so relieved, I almost quit last week from frustration, I'm so glad that I hung in there. Keep up the good work, I think that we've both proved that perseverance will get you everywhere! |
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Holly New Member
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I started on the HCG program yesterday. It is my second day of my "load/gorge" days. I am not super hungry, so I am not really eating too much. My daughter is advising me to eat more, but I am just not super hungry.... Will this be a problem? I am 215 pounds and have a goal of 130, so I do have plenty of stored fat on my body right now. Also, second injection today, I pulled back on the plunger to see if I had blood, and thought I didn't see any... removed needle and about the size of a quarter or a bit bigger of blood came out from the injection site. Then, I looked at the syringe and noticed blood inside. My Dr. advised me to reinsert if I get blood in the syringe, but I didn't notice it until after I injected the HCG. What are the issues with injecting into the vein? I am looking forward to tomorrow and eating all the right foods! =) I have been trying to lose weight for over 5 years (not much success...10 pounds here and there but always gained back) I gained weight very rapidly 5 years ago. Never had to worry about weight issues before that. I had thyroid cancer and had to have a complete removal and also had a complete hysterectomy. So, I know my body has been going though some changes and weight gain has been one as well. I am really going to give this my all! One last question.....My Dr. said no lotions, no face make-up but Bare Minerals, no eye cream, blush, moisurizers, etc... Also, I have long hair and she said no conditioner on the scalp, only on the ends and to make sure I don't rinse it off down my back, to hold it forward off of me. What body soap and face soap can I use? Also what about deodorant? I was a bit tense during the office visit and concentrating on the self injections, I forgot to ask some questions. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! =) |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Holly, glad to have you join us! : ) As far as gorging, I didnt feel very hungry either on my gorge days. So I did three gorge days instead of two. I dont know if this helped though. But they do say that its VERY important to really gorge good. If you dont gorge enough you might be pretty hungry for the first few days, or even the first week of the diet. So the gorging keeps you from feeling hungry when starting the diet. I have never pulled the plunger back to check for blood, so I dont know much about that. I still dont understand the whole blood clot possiblity. Why dont people get blood clots when nurses take their blood at the hospital?, and drug addicts who inject themselves in just about any location on their body's, numerous times a day when their not even in their right minds, why dont they ever get blood clots? So I guess Im not the best person to answere that question for you. But do you have any of the blood clot symptoms ? Well for me I cant find an organic deodorant that actually works good enough for me, so I use a normal kind, and I havent noticed it interfereing with my weight loss. I use Organic shampoo, and conditioner, and soap. And it works just fine for me. However dont get an organic soap or shampoo etc.. that has olive oil, coconut oil, or any other kind of fatty oil in it. We have to stay away from any fatty oils. But like lavendar oil, and flower oils etc... are ok. The protocol is very clear about Blush being ok. I dont know why your doctor said that. The protocol says you can use Blush, lipstick, eyebrow pencil (which I use for eyeliner) foundation powder. (not the liquid though) and eye shadow. I've been useing these and have had no problems. Although I only put make up on like once a week, as I'm a stay at home mom. Some people might have different opinions. Like your doctor., So for the stuff you just cant live with out, I'd test them out and see for your self what works for you. Hope this helps a little, good luck! Darlene5 Last edited on 31 August 2008 10:25 pm by Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Katiepen, can I stay on this diet while I'm sick? I've got a very dry and soar throat, a runny, and stuffed up nose, and achey all over. Do you think I should stop the injections? Thanks, Darlene5 |
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Holly New Member
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Thank you Darlene for responding I am not sure about the blood clot issues either. I too thought about the drug users who just stick themselves everywhere. I don't have any symptoms, but I will be more careful. I have been trying to gorge all day and not having much luck. lol Maybe it is psychological because I KNOW I can have ANYTHING I want. But nothing sounds good. Tomorrow when I start the 500 calories, I will probably crave everything. lol My daughter was with me and she was the one who told me my Dr. said, "No Blush". I can't be 100% sure if that was what my Dr. said, because everything became a little fuzzy when I realized that I had to give myself the injections! All I seemed to concentrate on after that was the needle. I am going to pick up the book tomorrow. All this happened really fast. I went to my Dr. (a first time visit) for a thyroid check up. I heard she was really the best and I have been to over 8 different drs. in the past 5 years over the very rapid weight gain. (I gained over 75 pounds in 6 months) but no doctor seemed concerned about it. Mostly just concerned about getting the thyroid regulated. But again, they were not successful at that either. It has been out of wack for over 5 years now. So, I went to my newest dr on Friday and I had never even heard of this weight loss treatment before. She was the one to tell me about it and is also going to put me on the right thyroid medication and dose. I just love her! So the past 48 hours have been kind of a whirlwind. I bought Neutrogena face soap hoping it was ok to use. But it does have glycerin. So now I am not sure. I usually use a face wash that has moisturizer in it. I went to a health store and all the products there had some kind of oil in them. So I am again lost. Do you have the names of the body/face soap that works? Thanks so much! Sorry to read you are not feeling well. =( Last edited on 1 September 2008 03:30 am by Holly |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Darlene Definately stay on the diet. I too went a few days that I felt icky, I think that is quite common as you will go through detox reactions. Holly I wouldn't use the neutrogena as it probably has some chemicals in it and these you definately do not want to use (on this protocol but also I would not use them at all as they can interfere with your hormones) I don't use any face soap while on this protocol. It drys out the face and you can't use lotion so I just rinse my face off and I get used to that. As for deodorant I use the crystal stick and that works okay. Natural deodorant does not work as well as the toxic poison stuff but we all need to get used to it as these are really bad for us and also disrupt hormones. I switched a few years back and I've found that you get used to it and I just wash my armpits more and reapply more often. There are a lot out there to try and it seems that they work better if I switch it up but for this protocol stick to the crystal stick. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Katiepen, I dont think its detox, cause my whole family is sick. It got worse too......Its the flu.......So even in this case do you think I should stick to the diet??? Yeah, I actually read from Dr. Oz's book(Dr. Oz from Oprah) that the aluminum in deodorant makes you feel hungry. Not to mention all the other things it can do to you after youve reaplied it every day of half your life. Last edited on 2 September 2008 11:02 pm by Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Holly, go to fredmeyers health food section. And get Aloe Vera Gel to use for a lotion. Make sure its at least 98% Aloe vera and make sure its organic. And only use when you absolutely have to. Also at FM in the healthfood section find an Organic Shampoo, and conditioner. Look on the ingredients to make sure it doesnt have any kind of nut's, alvocado, seeds, or any other type of fatty oil in the first half of the ingredients. Oils from herbs, plants, flowers, and such are ok. And do the same for your soap. Here is what I'm using. I use this pink grapefruit bar of soap thats organic and sells at fredmeyers healthfood section. I dont recall the name or brand name of it though. But it's always there so you shouldnt have a hard time finding it. Another soap I use is in a pump bottle, "Avalon Organics" Glycerin peppermint. It also comes in Lemon and lavendor. I havent checked the ingredients for the lavendor one yet, but the lemon one has too many nut oils in it, so dont get the lemon one. As for Shampoo and Conditioner, I use "Natures Gate" Organics Fruit Blend. (persimmon & Rose Geranium) The bottles are an Orangie/Copper color. It has sunflower seed extract in it, but its down near the end of the ingredients, and I havent noticed this stuff interfering with the diet. Hope this helps!! Darlene5 Last edited on 2 September 2008 11:05 pm by Darlene5 |
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katiepen New Member
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Yes Darlene, nothing would be served by going off of the diet now, it's not going to make the flu any worse or better. Hang in there! Just drink lots of water and get lots of rest. |
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Holly New Member
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Thank you both Darlene and Katiepen for the helpful advice. I did get the book now and that also has been helpful. I am starting day 6 of the 500 calorie program and very happy that it is working. In five days I have lost 11 pounds. It has just amazed me! Especially because I feel great. No hunger either. Oh sure, I would love to sit down in the morning and have a bowl of fruit with some oatmeal, but a cup of tea is just fine! I keep motivated with the loss. I know it will probably slow down now that the first few days are over, but even if I lose some everyday, that will be better than anything I have ever done in the past. I would have to say the only thing that is somewhat hard for me is drinking everything either hot (the teas) or drinkiny my gallon of water at room temperature. Yesterday after walking for about an hour, the room temperature water just wasn't doing it for me so, I made some of the tea, but I chilled it just a bit. I needed something cool! Anyway, thank you again for all the great advice and support! Good luck to all of us! =) |
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katiepen New Member
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Way to go Holly! Isn't it wonderful that the things you find yourself craving are healthy things like oatmeal and fruit. That in itself will change your life. Today is my last day and I can't wait to have a banana with walnuts! |
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Holly New Member
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Thank you Katiepen. 12 days down! and also 17 pounds lost. It is a great start. I do have another question for anyone who may help. On October 10th I have a formal evening wedding to attend. I will have just 6 days left at that time of my 45 days. It is a formal sit down dinner with a cocktail and hors d'oeuvres before dinner as well. So I am not going to be rude and sit there and not eat, or even more embarassing, bring my own! lol So my question is, has anyone ever had a day off from the 45 day plan to eat other food items and how did that affect you (fe: weight gain, set back days) I am concerned that it is going to not only make me gain weight, but also when I get back on it the next day, will it take a few days to get me back on track or should I be ok and start the weight loss again the day after being on it again? I also think about that when I start back the next day I will only have 5 more days of shots and I just want to end the 45 days really good, not at a set back. If I keep losing like I am, I think I will only have around 35 more pounds to go after I get off the 45 days, so I know I will have to do this one more time, too. Any help or advie would be greatly appreciated! =) How is everyone else doing? |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Holly Both times that I have eaten outside of the protocol it has cost me a week to get back on track. The first time was only 1 dinner and the 2nd time was all day. And both times I ate normal amounts of only healthy foods. The last time that I took a day off I gained 2 pounds, it took 3 days for the weight loss to resume and another 3 days to lose the 2 pounds. It comes at a high cost to eat outside of the protocol, you just have to decide if it's worth it to you. And quite honestly weddings have so much going on that other people won't notice whether you eat or not. In fact at my wedding I didn't even get to eat. |
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Bevo New Member
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Help me stay focused and tell me that these shots and 500 cal diet will work! I'm on Day 4 of shots, and I broke down and ate some nasty fast food today! Ugh, I feel so discouraged right now! Earlier I felt a bit foggy-headed and hungry as could be. I was assured by HCG Medical that this would pass. Does it? Someone please remind me that this diet plan really does work! Thanks! :o) |
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katiepen New Member
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Hi Bevo This Works! I lost 40 pounds in 2 rounds and I've been off the shots and maintaing my weight loss for 3 weeks now. I just follow the rules in phase 4 and I do the "steak protocol" when necessary and I know that I will never be fat again. This is an amazing protocol that I feel has given me my life back, finally! After 40 years I can get off the yo yo train and live my life. What I want to caution you about though, as you can see by my last post, you can't cheat on this protocol, it is a very costly mistake. You have to trust and dedicate yourself to this fully and it will work for you. The first week is the hardest and since you cheated it will take a little longer but the hunger will pass and the protocol is fairly easy. After the first 3 days for me the hunger subsides and I start to get full of energy. A former couch potatoe, I can't sit around for long when I was on the shots. And it's not a frantic too much caffeine energy, it's a feel good have energy to live energy. The best advice that I can give you is read Kevin Trudeau's book repeatedly during this and make sure that you are following the instructions without deviation. You will have the results you want! Good Luck! |
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meeeshelle New Member
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Hi Katie...I've been reading your posts to other memebers and they've been really helpful in my search for answers on this diet...So many questions. I feel like I've tried everything and although I'm excited about what I've read I can't help but be a little nervous as well. Daily injections, only 500 calories per day and then the safety factor. We have a few friends that have done the program and were succesful. Can you briefly explain the "Four phases"..I know you have said that it is really important to complete all four phases. Correct?? I have an appointment on Saturday to start the protocol...Nervous!! but excited too..... I welcome any of your suggestions and have already jotted down a few. Hope you don't mind if I pick your brain in the future. You seem to be very knowledgeable on the topic. Thank You!! |
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malleree New Member
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Hi.... Where did you get your information regarding dosage? Everything I've read said between 125 and up to 200. The info states that 200 or above causes weight gain. I'd like to know where your information came from. What dosage did you take and how does one know how much they should take? I think I was started at 125...#5 line on the syringe. I was tired and hungry. Was told to go up one notch. That didn't help. Have now gone up to 175 and don't think I should go up any further. |
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meeeshelle New Member
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Hi All. Last gorge day today and officially starting diet tomorrow. Any recipe ideas, suggestions anyone may have would be appreciated. Here I go....wish me luck. Thanks! |
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candy_1 New Member
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hi lisa! I am so happy for you! I am also on the HCG diet and is experiencing a lot of success with it during these 5 weeks i am on it! my target is to lose 55pounds by the end of the 5 weeks! i just cannot wait for the 5 weeks to end to get to know how good i look! that for sure will be a very great pleasure for my family, specially my husband! Cindy... Last edited on 9 October 2008 05:28 am by candy_1 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi guys, I'm looking to start the diet again in a while. I dont want to spend three hundred on the hcg again though. So can you all tell me where you got yours? Katiepen where did you order your Hcg from? Last edited on 13 October 2008 10:59 pm by Darlene5 |
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Victor version 4.0 Distinguished Member 
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When will people WAKE UP and realize that there is NO MAGIC PILL or MAGIC SHOT This process takes effort and dedication, not quackery and elixers! Direct from the service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/321723?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2." TARGET="_blank">[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/321723?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2.]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/321723?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2. Treatment of obesity with human chorionic gonadotrophin was shown to be of no better value than saline in a double-blind crossover study of weight reduction in obese subjects. There was also no significant difference in mood, hunger, or missed injections, and no apparent difference in adherence to diet when the two agents were compared. In contrast, a significant difference was found in the ability of subjects to lose weight in the first four weeks of the study in contrast with the second four weeks, no matter which agent was used. Thus, the initiation of a new therapeutic program, even using an inert agent, has a temporary benefit--a manifestation both of placebo effect and the Hawthorne effect. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/792477?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed Two hundred two patients participated in a double-blind random cross-over study of the effectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) vs placebo in a wieght reduction program. Serial measurements were made of weight, skin-fold thickness, dropout rates, reasons for dropping out, and patient subjective response. There was no statistically significant difference between those receiving HCG vs placebo during any phase of this study (P greater than .1). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3609673?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=5&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed The British physician A.T.W. Simeons described in 1954 a new method for dieting. He combined a reduction diet (500 kcal per day) with daily injections of the pregnancy hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (125 IU i.m.). According to Simeons the patient should not lose more weight during a 4-to-6 weeks' diet than without hCG, but the injections should facilitate to maintain the diet and to lose body weight at specific parts of the body (e.g. hip, belly, thigh). After the first publication various studies conducted with male and female patients analysed the efficacy of the "Cura romana". 10 of these studies showed positive and another 10 studies negative results with regard to hCG-related weight reduction. Two of these studies with positive results were double-blind studies (hCG vs. placebo). Most of them were reports on therapeutical experiences and were not controlled studies. According to these reports the body proportions normalized and the feeling of hunger was tolerable. Four out of 10 studies with negative results were controlled studies (hCG vs. control without hCG), whereas 6 were double-blind studies. These studies showed a significant weight reduction during dieting, but no differences between treatment groups in respect of body weight, body proportions and feeling of hunger. One of them is the only German study conducted by Rabe et al. in 1981 in which 82 randomised premenopausal volunteers had been dieting either with hCG or without hCG injections. In recent publications describing mostly well-documented double-blind studies authors largely reject hCG administration in dieting. Supporters of the hCG diet must prove the efficacy of this method in controlled studies according to the German Drug Law. Until then the opinion of the German steroid toxicology panel is still valid, that hCG is ineffective in dieting and should not be used (Bolt 1982 a, 1982 b). Last edited on 14 October 2008 04:12 pm by Victor version 4.0 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Can anyone please tell me where you got your Hcg? I'm looking to get it from a cheaper place this time. Darlene5 |
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EweWho Member
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Darlene, did you get the email from drugdelivery.ca? They are having a special on hCG from a new manufacturer. Here is the email I received yesterday, 10/29/08. The special is good for ten days. As of the receipt of this email we have launched a new brand of HCG known as LUPI. This brand is not only of the highest quality and purity, but works exactly the same as those offered by Organon and Hucog (all are interchangeable). We are offering LUPI HCG in 2000 IU, 5000 IU, and 10,000 IU dosages. Now for the real good news... For the next 10 days only (between now and November 8th) we are offering you a "Buy 3 Get 1 Free" offer on all LUPI HCG. Purchase 3 vials of any dosage and we will include a 4th vial (of the same dosage) free of charge! Order 6 vials of any dosage, we will include 2 vials free of charge, etc. It has been more than 6 months since our last HCG promotion and it will likely be another 6 months before our next promotion - so this is not one you want to miss out on. Remember, this is only for just the next 10 days - so don't delay. Tell your friends - pass this email around - and order today! If you have any questions about you are welcome to contact us anytime by calling 1-877-888-3562 or by clicking on the 'Live Chat' image when on our website. Hope this helps, Regina Last edited on 30 October 2008 09:41 pm by |
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EweWho Member
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I don't do injections, I do sublingual, only because I don't have to buy as many supplies. I started with injections, and the needles are so small you can barely feel the injection. Sublingual is just easier for me. Regina Last edited on 30 October 2008 09:40 pm by |
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Victor version 4.0 wrote: When will people WAKE UP and realize that there is NO MAGIC PILL or MAGIC SHOT Tell that to the 70 pounds I've lost. :) Regina Last edited on 30 October 2008 09:39 pm by |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Victor...I second Regina's motion..tell that to the 12 pounds I too have lost in 16 days on HCG! There's no two wyas about it..my 12 pounds are GONE and are off QUACKING in someone else's yard. Cheryl |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Darlene5 wrote: Can anyone please tell me where you got your Hcg? I'm looking to get it from a cheaper place this time. I got mine from GHI medical. The cost is a little under $400.00 but that includes your support from a wonderful team, all your blood work, the 40 day supply of HCG, and all the syringes. They are great. ghimedical.com Don't forget to buy your Yerba Mate Tea before you begin. Not everyone feels hunger, but if you should at anytime while the HCG is building up in your body...Yerba Mate tea stops the hunger. And.....be sure to drink at least (4) 12 ounce bottles of water every day. You will do GREAT! Good Luck to you...........it works! Stay positive and inhale the beauty of life! Cheryl |
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Victor version 4.0 Distinguished Member
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I don't usually respond to these types of posts, but I feel compelled here.. Newcomers with fewer than 10 posts, "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money, that does NOTHING to help you change the lyfestyle choices you've been makeing that got you where you are in the first place. I am no doctor or clinician, what I did was provide links and data from the UNITED STATES NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH, agree or disagree with THEM, not me. Oh, and by the way.... Tell it to the 275 I've lost, and kept off for over 2 years (sorry, but I HAD to say that)  http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/forum1/4265.html Last edited on 2 November 2008 04:16 pm by Victor version 4.0 |
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EweWho Member
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I am happy that you found something that works for you, Victor, but I don't understand why you think it is the only way. I may be a newcomer to this forum, but that is only because I spend 99% of my time on a forum that promotes support for using hCG and is very active, unlike this thread. I pop in here occasionally to see what is happening, but I don't spend a lot of time here. I am selling nothing, nor am I gaining anything, so how can I be "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money ? I am not asking for anyone to buy anything. I am just stating what my experiences on hCG have been. While I applaud you for losing more than 275 pounds, I didn't have that much to lose, so I can't compete with you there, nor would I want to. I think you have done a wonderful job in changing your lifestyle and your health. My comment was directed at the source you cited, not you. As far as being a newcomer, it is only on this site that my post count is low. On the site I usually frequent, my posts number almost 3,000. Don't assume I don't have the right to an opinion just because I don't post here often. I would rather spend my time helping others achieve success than to try to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced, or is close-minded about what is giving me the success that I have achieved. A lot of doctors use drugs off label. I just heard the other day that they have found out that a side effect of one of the sinus drugs is that it helps Alzheimer's patients retain their memory. Does this mean that you think they shouldn't use it because that isn't the labeled use of the drug? The same is true with hCG. It is safe for fertility, is used to help young boys with development issues, it just isn't approved for weight loss. I personally know a handful of people who have lost and kept off more than 100 pounds with hCG. Doctors had told them that the next step was gastric bypass for them. They didn't want that, so they resorted to hCG. I'm sure you and I share the same feelings about gastric bypass. While the government struggles to keep hCG off the market as an approved weight loss tool, the forum I frequent is gaining users by the dozens on a daily basis, growing from zero to more than 1,300 members in six months. Many are desperate for help and most state that diet and exercise didn't work for them, but not one has said that hCG isn't helping. Will they keep it off?? I don't know, but I do know that the choice is up to them. It is changing the way we look at food. It is causing cravings to cease. As far as a lifestyle change, that is exactly what it has accomplished in my life. It seems to me that you don't really understand the protocol at all, or that you looked at it from a negative aspect to begin with, knowing ahead of time what your thoughts on it would be. I am eating more vegetables and fruits than I have ever eaten in my life. My blood work shows so much improvement over where it was last year. I look younger. These are probably all the same things you are experiencing. I would never say that diet and exercise don't work, like you are saying hCG doesn't work. I have tried it (diet & exercise) but just do not stay motivated enough to stick with it. I've found the hCG does work for me. Maybe somewhere down the line I will incorporate exercise because I truly do believe that the body needs it. So, you see, sometimes there are different paths around the same mountain. |
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Victor version 4.0 Distinguished Member
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EweWho wrote: A. I may be a newcomer to this forum, but that is only because I spend 99% of my time on a forum that promotes support for using hCG ....... B. A lot of doctors use drugs off label. .......
D. Many are desperate for help .... E. and most state that diet and exercise didn't work for them, .. F. Will they keep it off?? I don't know, ......
A. My point is made B. That does not ensure a safe or effective treatment...Can you say Thalidomide ???? C. USFDA has the safety and effectiveness of drugs as their first agenda D. And an easy target for "snake-oil" salesman E. Diet and exersize ALWAYS work....Just slower than some wish (if you are honest about your calorie intake and exersize expenditure) F. BINGO G. NO, The National institute of Health says so, not I |
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No, your point is not made. Your ignorance of the subject is. None of your statements are valid to me. A. I am not in this for the sake of arguing with you, I am here to say there is another alternative. The other forum is made up of a number of doctors, lawyers, nurses, and other professionals who share my opinion. Yours is nothing to me. B. Thalidomide isn't even in this Millennium, but Fen-phen, Avandia, Baycol, Bextra, Colchicine,Crestor, Duract are. I could go on with a lot more. All were FDA approved, and then found to have horrendous side effects and recalled. The USFDA does not have my safety and best interests at heart. Any drug company with enough money can get anything by them. Only public outcry gets them off the market. C. See B D. Your response makes no sense at all since I am not selling anything. E. Your opinion, but if you are going to use the word, turn on your spell-check. It is exercise, not exersize. F. And your point is??? You didn't finish what I said. I said it is their choice. Just like anyone who exercises and loses, only to quit and gain it all back. That is a chance each person takes. G. You are quoting them. It sounds to me like you have done no research whatsoever. You had your mind made up, found something that would substantiate what your already-formed belief was, and looked no further. I really don't understand your animosity. You come onto a thread that is titled "HCG Weight Loss - Excellent" and want to argue. I went to your thread, was thoroughly impressed with your loss and say "Congratulations." I am impressed that you have done what you have to change your lifestyle. The Biggest Loser is one of my favorite shows. I admire anyone who loses weight through diet and exercise. On the other hand, you aren't happy for anyone who has found another way. The protocol has been around since the 1950's, probably before you were born. (No reference to your age in a derogatory manner. I saw on your thread that you were 30 when you had a stroke and know you lost the weight and have kept it off for a few years, so you can't be older than the protocol.) Do you think it is an easy way? Let me tell you that it isn't. It requires discipline to weigh everything you are eating and count your calories daily, exactly like you probably did to lose. You want to cite the FDA, but hCG is an approved "drug," it just isn't approved for weight loss. It is safe to take in an amount up to 10,000IU per dose. I am taking 75IU per dose. Since the safety of the hCG isn't an issue, just what is the problem? If people are safely losing weight and keeping it off, why do you care how they are doing it? Are you on a one-man mission to "dispell the myth" of hCG? What is your driving force? You sound very angry. It is very amusing to me. Thanks for the verbal sparring. I am enjoying it AND you are helping me get my post count up. |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Victor version 4.0 wrote: Newcomers with fewer than 10 posts, "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money, that does NOTHING to help you change the lyfestyle choices you've been makeing that got you where you are in the first place. Are you saying that because I have fewer than 10 post, you are too pompous to respond? You are obviously not a healthcare clinician so you should do your research before you respond with such negativity to all of those that HCG had worked for. Be it with more than 10 post or not..Mr. Oldie poster! I am in fact an RN, and a former paramedic. I have been in healthcare for 30 years. I have done my research and HCG does in fact work on resetting metabolism. If you understood how to read medical literature, which you obvioisly don't, you would know how it works and why. I will not waste anymore of my professional time responding to an OLDIE poster who obviously needs an attitude adjustment to go along with his loss of weight. |
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EweWho Member
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Cheryl, it wasn't against those with 10 posts or less, it was directly to me. He felt I was trolling forums selling hCG which I obviously wasn't doing. You aren't going to convince naysayers like this. He has had success his way, diet and exercise, and everything else is wrong according to him, because he is blindly following what the FDA has fooled him into thinking instead of thinking and researching for himself. You are right to not waste your breath, but I was rather enjoying the banter. Last edited on 3 November 2008 03:17 am by EweWho |
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DitzyOne New Member
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I am 41 and have struggled with my weight since I was a teenager.... Over the last 2 years I have tried unsuccessfully to lose weight... I will lose to a certain weight and then stop.. no amount of exercise or adjusting my calories would do anything to help this.. I have tried it all.. Seems all I do at this time is get frustrated and stop trying... At the begining of this year one of my co-workers went on the hcg diet.. I was like most.. totally NOT for it... I mean who in there right mind will inject a substance in their body!! hehehe as I watched her drop the weight I started doing research and realized that maybe this might work! I have been on the diet for 15 days now... and I feel wonderful! a few days ago I actually passed my problem point... even with the hcg it took so time to get over that hump! I was even beginning to think this wasnt going to work... but after 3 days of no weight loss I finally passed that barrier.. I follow the diet (MOSTLY) to a T ... only thing I dont listen to is creamer in my coffee.. I really tried to not do it but I just wasnt enjoying my coffee anymore :) I have lost a total of 19 pounds.. the majority of that weight being lost in the first week(mostly water weight I am sure) ... the diet isnt really different than what I was eating before... only the choice of the veggies is different.. and of course the portions are MUCH smaller... one of my goals when I am done is to keep my portions small.. I dont think there is a problem eating most anything as long as you keep control of your portions... Do your research... talk to a few doctors... and have an open mind... I personally am glad I chose a clinic for this though.. I was thinking of gettting the injections from mexico and doing it all on my own... I would not suggest this! at least not for the first time.. I think you should get blood work done and have a dr available if you need them.. :) Last edited on 4 November 2008 04:11 pm by DitzyOne |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Congratulations DitzyOne!!!!!! WOW ....What a milestone! You have done much better than me with regard to the amount of weight loss in a shirter time frame. I did good at the beginning, but my weight is leveling out despite staying strict to the diet. It's been 20 days for me and I have now taken 13 pounds off. Although, don't get me wrong..I am happy for the 13 pounds I've taken off. But... 19 pounds for you is wonderful! Be proud of youself! Reach around and pat yourself on the back. Losing weight is so difficult for some of us. Some people don't realize how hard it can be for some of us to do. So...Hats Off and Three Cheers to YOU! Keep up the great work! I wish you continued success! Keep us posted. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Hi Ewewho, Thanks for the info. I actually ordered from Drug delivery before I saw your post saying to buy from there. But I didnt see that lupi kind on sale. I saw it as one to choose from but it didnt say it was on sale or anything. Oh well. This will be my second round. I lost 20 pounds with the first. I've got to tell people one thing that Im just astounded by. During my six week break I've been eating anything I want, when ever I want. I've been eating a ton of junk food, and non-organic etc....Basically I havent been following anything in stage three. And I havent gained any weight back! I just cant believe that!! I'm not encouraging anyone to do this of course. And I know that if I go on like this I'm sure I'll eventually gain the weight back. But because I knew I was going to do another round anyways, and because It was just too hard for me to stay away from sugar and starches for three more weeks, I gave in and saw it as an experiment. I was curious to see what would happen if I went back to the way I was eating before the shots instead of following the three weeks/no starches part. This Hcg in my opinion does exactly what Dr. Simeons says it does. It corrects your metabolism. And it really does make your body consume your own fat for calories. How else can explain the fact that I'm eating like a pig and not gaining any weight back? Its because My body is still consuming the same amount of calories as it was when I was taking the Hcg shots. Its just that when I was taking the Hcg over half the calories my body was consuming was coming from my fat, and not food I ate. Its amazing. When a person diets by eating less food they loose weight. But as soon as they go back to eating the calories they were before they gain the weight back. Right? Well why doesnt that happen with this diet? This diet obviously corrects your metabolism, and it also shows clear the fact that my body was never living off of 500 calories of food alone. It was living off the five hundred I was eating, and was also living off the calories from my own fat. How else can you go from eating only 500 calories a day to suddenly eating over 2000 calories, with out gaining weight? Like I said though, If I continue to eat non-organic food and dont follow all the phases of this diet I will damage my hypothalmus putting me back to square one and I'll gain the weight back. After I have lost all the weight I want, I plan on following all the stages correctly, and staying with Organic only so that I can eat what ever I want/as much as I want and never gain the weight back. Last edited on 5 November 2008 06:10 am by Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Cheryl417, Thanks, I actually got my Hcg from GHI Medical my first round. They must have lowered their prices because it cost me 800.00!! I didnt want to spend 400 on the Hcg again, so I ended up getting my Hcg from Drug delivery this time. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Victor Just wants attention. I havent heard one person on this thread say you shouldnt exercise. Whats wrong with exercising AND using Hcg? Or whats so wrong with not exercising for 40 days while you take Hcg and then start exercising afterwards? You have no proof what so ever as to what harm Hcg can do to the body. So why comment at all? I had twins which caused my body to produce a staggering amount of Hcg and I'm fine. Me and all the rest of us child barring mothers. So whats a measly 200 dose of Hcg for only 40 days gonna do? If people have been using Hcg for weight loss for over 50 years dont you think we would have heard by now at least one horrible side effect? This Hcg corrects what the horrible chemically altered food has done to our brains. Something exercise cant do. Unless you want to exercise four hours a day for the rest of your life. No thank you. And if your exercising but still eating non-organic food then your not as healthy as you think. I cant think of one bad thing about this hcg diet. Its making me eat way more protein, fruit and veggies then I ever ate before. Lets just say "would if". Would if this Hcg diet really wasnt making your body consume it's own fat for calories. This diet would still be a healthy one. Eating 500 calories of healthy fruits, vegetables and meat is a lot healthier than eating 1000 or 2000 calories of garbage. Also In recent reports they say that fasting isnt harmful like they once thought it was. People are improving their health no matter which way you look at it with this diet, so why cant you just do what makes yourself happy and realize that not everyone has to be like you. Or like the same things as you. Not everyone has the same chemical body makeup as you. People can choose their own way of losing weight. And hey if it works it works. What more proof do you need? People are keeping the weight off. How do you explain that? You think that you have all the answeres to weight loss, but people have been losing weight in hundreds of different ways. What makes you think that your way is the only way when every year doctors are coming up with new different "right ways" to lose weight. Last year it was fattening to eat this, but this year its not....its actually good for you! You should exercise this way, you shouldnt eat this, you should eat this. Next year.....Oh wait a minute sorry we were wrong, you should exercise like this and eat this, not that. Whats good one year is bad the next. But I suppose your way is the only way right? Your way I'm sure works. But its not the only way. I'm still trying to figure out why you even care as to how people lose weight. Last edited on 5 November 2008 07:39 am by Darlene5 |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Darlene5 wrote: Cheryl417, Thanks, I actually got my Hcg from GHI Medical my first round. They must have lowered their prices because it cost me 800.00!! I didnt want to spend 400 on the Hcg again, so I ended up getting my Hcg from Drug delivery this time. Your very welcome Darlene! Wow! $800.00???? I must confess, I would have had to think twice before spending that much money. However, I must also state that NOW...AFTER...KNOWING that HCG indeed works for me, I might not frown as much as to the cost. I was always very thin up until the last 10 years. Then, 10 years ago I was in a very serious MVA, resulting with injuries that did not allow me to spend 7 days a week in a gym like I had always done. Up until finding the HCG protocol, it had been a very depressing ten years for me with regard to trying everything under the sun to get the weight off. Including walking diligently, five and three quarter miles every day for one entire year, only to take off 7 lousy pounds. I have never been one to eat a lot. I have always been one, however, who had to live my life in a gym and work off more calories than I consumed to stay very thin. Like I said, up until my accident that worked out fine...but after the accident my life and body changed. Like with many people, unforseen situations change lives. Some people (as with Victor) also don't recognize there are medical issues such as slow, to no metabolism, which make it difficult for people to lose weight, despite how few calories they may consume. Not every one in this world who is overweight got there because they were over eaters. Finding HCG and seeing positive results after strictly following the protocol has been a BLESSING that is difficult to describe. For those thinking about trying it, you must know, that HCG is NOT a diet. Nor is it a pill or an injetion to decrease your appetite so that you can lose weight with out applying anything else. It is a hormone, that in combination with the 500 calories and other important items defined in the phases, effectively helps to reset your metabolism. You should not consider HCG without first dedicating yourself to reading and thoroughly understanding why it is important for you to follow the protocol CLEARLY DESCRIBED BY DR. SIMEON. As for the cost, I don't know exactly where every one else has purchased their HCG. I purchased mine via GHI Medical. It was a little over $400.00. The cost included the 40 day supply of HCG, the syringes, the blood work up, the 5 page health form that is reviewed by a GHI physician and some very nice GHI supportive staff. The shipping was included in the cost as well. Much happiness, luck and success for anyone out there who tries it! From a personal opinion, I am glad I did! There is literally "light" as in a "lightweight" at the end of my tunnel. |
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I don't claim to speak for Victor, but I think what is so upsetting is that the claim here is that HCG is some kind of "miracle product" that works for everyone and cannot possibly hurt anyone. Yes, there are many ways to lose weight. NONE OF THEM have no side effects, not even the "right way" of proper diet and exercise. There are many consequences, both good and bad, of losing weight through any method. Yes, HCG does have many side effects, which I listed before and won't repeat here, and yes, those side effects do apply even for the smaller doses used for weight loss. The risks are even higher for men. Even in this forum, users have listed the struggles that they have went through with HCG, which directly contradicts your notion that there are no side effects. Did you not say that you experienced extreme hunger for a time? That is a side effect. I would like to reiterate here that there is no "magic way" to lose weight fast and keep it off that is truly safe, at least not for the general population. If there was, it would be all over the media, and obesity rates in countries across the world would drop dramatically. I have read quite a few HCG testimonials on the net, and a great deal of them claim that the weight was gained back. Why is this? One, because HCG is a deprivation diet, which many people do not have the willpower to stick with on a long-term basis. Two - you can sit here all day and talk about how natural is best, and I agree with you, but the HCG diet is far from natural. It is a substance naturally produced by the body that is used in an unnatural way. If it was a natural process, then our body would produce it for weight loss naturally. In any case, there are two main problems I have with HCG: 1.) Many people turn to it as a "quick fix", and fail long-term because they do not make the lifestyle changes required for long-term health. 2.) HCG supporters such as yourself make such sensationalist claims that the diet is absolutely perfect. As I've said before, this whole thread sounds like one big marketing gimmick - no offense. It's great that you've found something that works for you, but it's important to show the whole picture. No diet will ever be a substitute for learning to eat right and exercising. |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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I certainly hope your response wasn't directed at me because I did not at all say HCG was a "miracle product." If your message was in response to my post, I hope that you will re-read what I had written because you have clearly misread my post. Indeed, there are pro's and con's to any weight loss method, but as is, with any physical life changing event, you must weigh the lesser of two evils. In obesity, is the weight more harmful than the side effects of using a hormone in low doses that has indeed helped to reset the metabolism in many people? That, with the evaluation of your physician, is a choice you have to make for yourself. Unless I have missed something somewhere, I also have not yet read where any poster have made "sensationalism claims that the diet is PERFECT". Please provide the post where you have read that so we all can see where anyone has said the diet was "perfect" for everyone. Or, for that matter was a "quick fix". I would never state to anyone that this 40 day 500 calorie intake was "quick", "easy" or let alone a "fix". I also don't personally know of anyone who has done the HCG protocol who would use such adjectives to describe it that way. Consuming 500 calories a day is a far outcry from quick, easy or a fix. So again, I would appreciate seeing where you read where someone said that. Thank you! |
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CrimsonAnimus Moderator
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No, my post wasn't directed at you. In this thread and elsewhere, though, there have been many claims that HCG has no side effects. That is specifically what I was referring to, and my point was that all weight loss plan have side effects - no exceptions. And yes, there are many people enticed by the quick weight loss that HCG promises. Whether it is actually easy or not is irrelevant - if you go into any weight loss plan expecting a quick fix, you are opening the door to failure. Until you learn the habits required for good health, you will never achieve long-term success. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Oh my god its you again! I cant believe you are still knit picking away at what everyone says. Why? Its so strange. Havent you had enough on the topic? Cant you move on with your life? I never said it was a miracle drug either. I said I think its amazing how much its helped me. Whats so bad about that? Look; out of all the diets out there, and out of all the prescription drugs out there for weight loss, and out of all the surgerys out there for weight loss this one is the safest.....hands down. You mention side effects but thats not even worth mentioning because most people dont even get them! The Hcg diet has a lower chance for side effects than anythong out there! So why would you even want to challenge that? The side effects that you get from surgery, and prescription drugs are atrocious!!! And if you do get side effects from Hcg its hardly anything to complain about. Its pretty easy to manage and lasts a very short while. How can you beat that? Not only that the Hcg corrects your matabolism, and heals your hypothalmus which caused a lot of us to get fat in the first place. Its hitting the root of the problem. I went through a stage where I was hungry on the Hcg diet. But I soon learned that injecting into the Muscle worked best for me. After I started doing that I was no longer hungry. thousands of people are doing round after round of this diet. Obviously it's working for them, and there not getting horrible side effects. I dont even know why you mention how people gain the weight back after using the Hcg diet. This is seriously hillarious! First of all how many people gain their weight back after losing it from exercising? Oh about 80% would you say? Most people dont stick to exercising. People are gaining their weight back in high numbers with just about every diet out there. So if you want to compare this diet to the other diets out there when it comes to gaining the weight back then you will lose! The percentage of people gaining their weight back after the Hcg diet is so very, very, small. Smaller than any other diet out there. So why would you complain about that? Hmmmmmmm..... No it's not a magic injection, because you still have to stay disciplined enough to stick with the phases in the protocol. Your not suppose to stick to a deprivation diet the rest of your life when your doing the Hcg diet. It sounds to me like you dont even understand what the Hcg diet is. Your never, not once depriving yourself while your on the diet. So I dont know what the heck your talking about. Yes there are ways to lose weight and keep it off. And this is one of them. But just like diet and exercise if you dont stick to the plan you gain the weight back. Dahhh! Some people have an easier time exercising to lose weight and some people have an easier time with this diet. Either way a person can always gain the weight back. Althought it's a lot harder to do so with the hcg diet. Yes Hcg is natural. Just like if you were to take a vitamin C pill. Now do you think theres something wrong with taking a vitamin C Pill? Or any vitamin? I think your getting a bit too knit picky dont you think? Yeah all these thousands and thousands of people on these threads are all one big marketing gimmick. Anyone can post to this forum. Why is it that No one has come on this forum and said the Hcg didnt work for them then? It sounds to me more like your an FDA employee. I dont even understand what the whole point of your negative post was. Because No one ever said it was a miracle drug, everyone says that you still have to work at it. You have to follow the rules through out the whole thing and keep to certain rules your whole life. How is that a miracle drug? What was your point? Just wanted to piss on our parade again? Darlene5 |
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CrimsonAnimus Moderator
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Actually, the point of my post was to come to Victor's defense, who was attacked here for no justifiable reason. You are free to discuss whatever you wish about supplements - that's what this forum is here for. Attacking other members for stating something contrary to your point of view, however, is unacceptable, and will not be tolerated, certainly not on my watch. So, with that being said, don't be surprised if someone comes here to say something against HCG - we have just as much of a right to post as you do. If you don't like that, then you are free to find another forum. Otherwise, please return back to the topic at hand, and let it go. This is a discussion forum, and there is no reason to make anything personal. Thank you. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Your very welcome animus, It all sounds good to me!, and I hope you apply your own advice to yourself as well. Darlene5 |
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EweWho Member
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I have been watching for Victor to come back in to play, but it seems like he has sent someone to step in for him, or that Crimson felt compelled to do so, I don't know which. All parts in black font are quotes from previous posts in question. It is funny to me that things have taken a complete turnaround and Victor has become the "victim" in this whole thing. I don't claim to speak for Victor, but I think what is so upsetting is that the claim here is that HCG is some kind of "miracle product" that works for everyone and cannot possibly hurt anyone. Since Victor posted I didn't see anywhere that it was referred to as a miracle product, nor did I say that it couldn't possibly hurt anyone, so I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say that things are upsetting. Neither do I know to whom you are directing your comments, Crimson. Are you just making general statements? I'm not sure. If you look at what started this whole thing, after Victor's post I quoted part of his, When will people WAKE UP and realize that there is NO MAGIC PILL or MAGIC SHOT This process takes effort and dedication, not quackery and elixers!, all I said was to tell it to the 70 pounds I've lost. It was in no way an attack. His reply was to call me something of a snake-oil salesman, And an easy target for "snake-oil" salesman referring to the fact that I had less than 10 posts, Newcomers with fewer than 10 posts, "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money, that does NOTHING to help you change the lyfestyle choices you've been makeing that got you where you are in the first place. I never took offense, but rather continued on, trying to settle things down, but he continued personal attacks through condescending verbiage. He doesn't know me. He has no idea what my lifestyle choices are, or how I have changed them. Unfortunately Cheryl took offense to that remark about those with less than 10 posts and things just went downhill from there. I so understand that there more than one side to a coin. I just think it is sad when you can only see one side of that coin. I never mind anyone showing me the other side of the coin. I just hate when they do it in a condescending manner, such as Victor did. I take into consideration his youth and his zeal, so it doesn't bother me. I am sorry that others got upset by the whole thing. Crimson, you said: In any case, there are two main problems I have with HCG: 1.) Many people turn to it as a "quick fix", and fail long-term because they do not make the lifestyle changes required for long-term health. 2.) HCG supporters such as yourself make such sensationalist claims that the diet is absolutely perfect. As I've said before, this whole thread sounds like one big marketing gimmick - no offense. It's great that you've found something that works for you, but it's important to show the whole picture. No diet will ever be a substitute for learning to eat right and exercising. I can certainly understand your concern with this, but we are trying to get the word out in a gentler manner that it is not a quick fix and that lifestyle changes are required. I'm not sure to whom you are referring about making sensationalist claims because I haven't seen that in the posts of the past few days. I've seen Darlene write that she is struggling. That certainly isn't making sensationalist claims. People are searching for a place to learn, and when they find this forum they are slammed. Why not just close this thread and let them keep looking elsewhere? Your references to what appears to have happened in the past, about "side effects" and "magic way" to lose weight have no bearing on what transpired in the last few days, so how are we to know what you are talking about? I fully agree with what you say about setting yourself up for failure if you expect a quick fix and not changing your lifestyle. I've preached that message myself repeatedly, on another forum that supports hCG. So you see, even some of us who believe in hCG can see the downfall of thinking it is going to save us from ourselves. There are some of us who use it as a tool rather than a crutch, much as someone else uses journaling or support groups. I have no problem with someone not believing that hCG works. Why do you and Victor have such a problem with those of us who do believe that it does? It has nothing at all to do with intelligence. Many on other forums are doctors, lawyers, and even here, Cheryl is a nurse. These aren't stupid people, Crimson, regardless of what you think of them (us). Time will be our teacher, one way or another. All I know is that I weigh less now than I have in more than 30 years. No comment is necessary from you or Victor. I am just trying to flip that coin, even though I know it is futile. Oh, and while we are talking about snake-oil salesmen, that is how I feel about anyone who is trying to make money off this protocol. The amount that the clinics (and more and more of them are popping up every day) charge is ridiculous. You could do 6 round for what they are charging people for their first round. The fact that people pay it just goes to show how desperate are. |
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CrimsonAnimus Moderator
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I apologize if it came across as if I was attacking your intelligence - that certainly wasn't my intent, and I do not think that. I'm not claiming that HCG does not work - I never said that. As you mentioned, there are two sides to every coin. HCG is not an exception - it is not a perfect protocol. There are dangerous potential side effects, just as there are with losing weight the standard way. Obviously, supplements do work, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are safe, nor does it mean that they can achieve long-term success, as you've acknowledged. I'm not going to open up another can of worms by stating the implication of a "miracle product". My concern here is when the name-calling started, which is not necessary. We're all mature here, right? You may now continue with your regularly scheduled program. |
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EweWho Member
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Thank you, Crimson. I see that for the most part we agree. I do not think that it is a perfect protocol. I think it is a step above gastric bypass, though, and there are too many that are taking that step out of desperation. What is funny is that on the other forums, more and more are incorporating exercise into their regime. On Phase 3, we are learning to eat healthy in order to keep the weight off. Personally, I only do 23 days at a time of the hCG, so in the year that I have been on protocol and have lost 70 pounds, only about 3 months total of that time have been while I was on hCG. The rest of the time is spent learning to count calories, learn to like vegetables, and stay away from chemicals in foods. I've learned to read labels for ingredients. My taste buds have gotten away from sugar and I used to be such a sugar addict. You have quite a sense of humor. I'm happy to see it shining through. |
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T.S.V. New Member
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Hello to all, I just joined this website and found interest on this subject. I too have been injecting HCG. My results were astonishing! I have not been a dieter, until my weight reached an uncomfortable stage. In 3 months I am 73lbs lighter. Although I am skeptical. The doctor charges 750.00 for round one,(2 viles) lasting 30 days a vile. There is a support group twice a week. I think they are full of it. There are great recipies i have gotten from them while on the diet. There are so many crazy things we were told to do in order to lose weight,such as: No Sugar- but splenda is ok,No Oil- but mineral oil is ok, Changed our shampoo,conditioner and body soap, wear gloves if messing with oil products, juice of a lemon a day, 1 gallon of water a day, slimming tea in a.m. and laxative tea in p.m., hand full of vitamins, no exercising-you will gain muscle weight, no sugar free gum, only certain friuts and certain veggies and lean protein(100grams) 500 to 600 cal diet and if needed 1/2 a phen in the morning. The only thing I did was drink 1/2 to gal of water a day, yes for the first 20 days i was devoted to the strict diet. I have been on matainence for 3 weeks now. This area is more strict. I was looking for symptoms tonite and came across this great website. Did i like the weight loss? yes! It was mentally challenging to get where i am at. Please to all let me know what you did to lose weight on this diet. Also I would like to know of any symptoms, from smallest to biggest ,anything! T.S.V. |
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King Corn New Member
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Victor version 4.0 wrote: When will people WAKE UP and realize that there is NO MAGIC PILL or MAGIC SHOTThat's the 1977 double blind study. I have read not only that, but the full doctors report. Have you ever read the doctors findings for those studies on JAMA? I didn't think so because the facts were very misconstrued. First off the double blind study that you are referring to was cut short after only 9 days because the people who were not on HCG were starving to death! Secondly the part where they stated there was "no significant weight loss difference" is not acurate for several reasons. The people on HCG lost on average 3lbs more than the people who were not on HCG, and that was only after 9 days. Also the tape measurements showed that the abnormal fat areas reduced far more than those who were not on HCG. Finally, we have to look at the 3 doctors who ran the study. They all owned weight loss clinics. On of the doctors was later quaoted stating they would go bankrupt if the truth about HCG ever got out into the public. It's all about the money to the food, drug, and diet industries. What you need to do is go to hcgfatloss because they have all the facts from JAMA posted over there on their site. As well as links to the cheapest HCG and HCG supplies on the internet. The HCG Weight Loss Protocol was developed by Dr ATW Simeons back in the 1950s and has helped thousands of people lose weight without gaining it back. Last edited on 13 November 2008 08:38 am by |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Woo! Woo! Lost another pound today! Total of 16 pounds in 30 days! Aside from daily activity...haven't even exercised. Weight just continues to drop off. This is phenomenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Wooowhooooo!!! King Corn!! Good job! Cheryl I am so happy for you! I cant wait to start this diet again. Im just waiting for the Hcg to arrive. Like I said before, All the proof i need is the fact that during my disscontinued use of Hcg Im keeping the weight off and eating anything I want when ever Im hungry. Im still just so shocked about that. Its so nice to know that its going to be extremely hard to ever gain the weight back. Darlene5 |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Thank you Darlene! I am so happy! It is an amazing protocol!! My friends who have done the HCG ALL have said they have kept the weight off while eating all that they want also. Of course, none of them have returned to eating any kind of junk food. They eat healthy and wisely. They all eat dessert, but do it in moderation. This protocol helps to not only restructure your physical being, it helps to restructure your eating habits. I hope the next 6 weeks proves the same for me as well. In the past, I have tried to lose the weight and it never happened. Even with exercise. Aside from bowling once a week now and some regular activity while being on HCG, I have lost the weight. My husband looks and me and calls me the incredible shrinking woman! Ha ha ha It is more than what I would describe as a MIRACLE protocol....it is like a wave of God's wand all in itself! I am so delighted to hear that HCG has worked for you as well. I will have to wait 6 weeks before another round, but I will INDEED do another round of HCG to shed the remaining pounds I wish to lose. I cannot even describe how HAPPY I am for you, myself and for others who have declared how well it has worked for them. I am AMAZED that for once in 10 years, I have found a way to lose weight. This has also had a dramatic effect on my insulin as well...I have gone down to 15 units and I hope to eventually get off completely. My best friends Pastor was a diabetic. He took HCG and not only lost 70 pounds in three rounds of HCG...he is now off ALL insulin and blood pressure meds. Darlene, I wish you all the best in your next round. Soon ....we will be a part of the skinny and healthy people in this world. YEAH for us! Much happiness and success to you! PLEASE Keep me posted! Cheryl :O) |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Darlene5 wrote: Wooowhooooo!!! King Corn!! Good job! Ohhhhhh, before I forget Darlene, I wanted to also add... to be sure to purchase Yerba Mate Tea. I like the Royale brand better than others. It really helps to diminish your appetite if you get hungry when you first begin the 500 calories. And, even though this is not in the protocol..in order to drink all the water, I used those crystal light packets that are sugar free to flavor the water. That helped me to get in all of the water and to fill my stomach. I just wanted to add that in case you get hungry when you begin. :-) Keep me posted now...and good luck to you. :-) |
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Darlene5 New Member
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I tried Yerba Mate tea with my first round on and off. Sometimes I could handle it but other times i didnt like how it made me feel. We'll see. I never had a problem with drinking the water. I put lemon in it and loved it. For some reason its easy to drink water when on the diet. And those artificial sweeteners I believe arent real good for my health so I stay away from anything sugar free. So your about to take your six week break then?? Ok I'll keep you posted. : ) Darlene5 |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Yes Darlene! Next Thursday I will be done with the HCG. I will then have to follow the three weeks of no starch or sugars. My friend and I will wait until after the holidays and we will begin again the 1st of January. I read on another blog where some people say they get really hungry after being off the HCG. Have you found that to be so? |
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Darlene5 New Member
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No, Im not any hungrier than I was before I started the diet. The reason why the Hcg makes you feel less hungry is because your body is already eating. Its feeding itself with your fat. So naturally your going to feel hungry once you stop taking the Hcg because your bodys is no longer eating off your fat. You will need to use food to take care of hunger feelings. After the Hcg, I never did the three weeks with no carbs. Ive been eating ice cream, and what ever else I feel like. I never eat any fast food though. But its crazy how I havent gained any weight back. With this next round I intend on doing it right though (the three weeks/No carbs part) because I really want to kick the sugar habit/cravings. And I know it will probably help me keep the weight off in the long run. Dont worry about being hungry and gaining your weight back, Its actually kinda hard to do, I really believe the Hcg corrected my metabolism. Darlene5 Last edited on 14 November 2008 12:25 am by Darlene5 |
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King Corn New Member
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Darlene5 wrote: Wooowhooooo!!! King Corn!! Good job!Thank you. I love to spread the truth. It is too bad that there are soooo many "crabs in the bucket" around here. People that jealous of other peoples' success, so they want to drag them down into their misery. I lost over 60lbs in 3 months now with the HCG Protocol. I want to lose as much as this Steve guy I met online. He has youtube videos, as well as before and after pictures that show he has lost over 100lbs in 6 months with HCG. I think he posted that he is now down 108.5lbs today if I remember correctly. That's remarkable for a guy who never goes to the gym. I spent over 17 years trying to lose this weight I gained. It pushed me to the point of suicide from all the diets and exercise programs (or should I say SCAMS). Now I am losing weight and I am the happiest I have ever been thanks to the HCG Protocol. |
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King Corn New Member
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Cheryl417 wrote: Victor version 4.0 wrote:You know people wouldn't become "Oldie posters" if they knew about the HCG Protocol. They would lose the weight quicker and get out of the forum and back to their regular lives vs sitting around trying to drag others down. LOLNewcomers with fewer than 10 posts, "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money, that does NOTHING to help you change the lyfestyle choices you've been makeing that got you where you are in the first place. |
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Cheryl417 New Member
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Good Job King Corn! I love to hear the success stories of others. Every time I read them, it helps with even more of an incentive. As for people trying to pull others down when they are just trying to educate others as to their own positive experiences; I have found you will find people like that in all walks of life. It is sad....but best to ignore negative remarks. I try to stick to people who are positive in my life. Spending time with positive people has always helped me to succeed in all aspects of my life. I am happy to meet Darlene and now you here. Positive feedback is wonderful and I thank you and Darlene. Thanks Darlene....for the info about not gaining the weight back. I was a bad girl yesterday. I went out with some friends who were visiting from Canada and I ate a little pasta and dessert. That was the first time I had messed up since November 14th when I began the 500 calories. Oh well! I am too afraid to step on the scale today. Ha ha ha Guess I will wait a few days so that I don't get discouraged if the scale changed. I now have 7 more days to go before I will have reached the end of my 40 days of HCG injections. Any way..thanks to the both of you for your information. I love hearing about what you both have done, and not done, throughout the course of your weight loss. It REALLY helps! |
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King Corn New Member
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Thank you Cheryl, I just try to help others when I can because I know what it is like to truly suffer from obesity. I know some of those people think they are trying to "protect" others, but all they are doing is hindering the truth from spreading. I know it is not their fault, they do not know any better. The problem is that they are far too stubborn to even try to learn about anything else. They don't know what it is, so they lash out in anger because it is not "their way". Don't beat yourself up too much about the slip up. It happens, we are human after all and not perfect. You will lose whatever you may have gained in no time with HCG. |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thats GREAT! We hear enough bad things in this world, its so nice to hear some good. This makes up for the bad I heard on the news today! Im talking about you (King corn) your turn around from suicidal to happier than youve ever been. Thats wonderful! And I'm so happy for you. : ) Darlene5 |
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Darlene5 New Member
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Thanks Cheryl, and I'm glad I helped you in some way. Dont worry about your cheat day. besides you can always make up for it with an apple day if you want. : ) Are you still feeling the decrease in hunger? Darlene5 Last edited on 15 November 2008 05:58 am by Darlene5 |
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King Corn New Member
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If you are having hunger issues, then I have to ask. Did you do all the recommended cleanses? I find that most people that have hunger did not do them, or did not do them long enough. Most of the cleanses take about 6-12 months to be fully effective, but KT's book only says to do them for 30 days minimum. Thanks Darlene, I feel better than ever! I struggled for so many years trying to work out, diet, etc. I am just happy to finally have something that works. The weight is just falling off like crazy with the protocol. How has it been going for you? |
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MRad71 New Member
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Hi everyone, I am thinking of starting HCG on 12/1 but I have some questions...first, what happens if you "cheat" for a couple of days? IE: Christmas will be right in the middle of my 40 day program. And second, i keep reading that people lose just under 1 pound per day, is this true? I do not want to have unrealistic expectations. Thanks! |
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King Corn New Member
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Yes, this is very true. I have been losing about 1lb per day on the HCG Protocol. If you cheat, then you will gain weight back and stall your weight loss for several more days (about 3-5 on average). At least that's what all the others have experienced that I have seen. If you want more information you can check out the website on my profile, or send me a private message. I would be more than happy to help you out. |
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StanCo New Member 
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Worked for me too - lost 95 pounds in 4 months. Saved my life. We are in Washington state. http://www.stananddonna.com |
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MRad71 New Member
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Thanks! That was very helpfu! I cannot believe Donna's pictures....I am so motivated; I cannot wait to get started. |
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MRad71 New Member
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HI again, I also just wanted to let everyone know that I spoke to my family doctor about starting this plan and she was in favor of it and in fact said that she could find no reason for me not to use the HCG diet. I just wanted to through that out there b/c I see there has been a lot of discussion about the safety of the diet. Now I am sure different people may have different health issues that may be of concern on this diet but in general I think it is worthwhile to know that an MD with NOTHING to gain from supporting my decision to try HCG feels there is no danger. |
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King Corn New Member
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Stan, great pictures, but you better watch out. The HCG Gestapo might come after you for posting links, LOL. I am glad it saved your life Stan, it saved mine as well. |
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Hellrazor New Member 
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I Lost 100lbs guess how???? The old fashioned way DIET AN EXERCISE |
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King Corn New Member
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Hellrazor, that's great that you lost weight with diet and exercise. I tried it for 17 years, but it didn't work for me. The HCG Protocol is working for me, and it is working for thousands of people. |
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Hellrazor New Member
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Yeah and by your own statement of eating 1200 calories at one point we know you were not doing things right way hence why you would gain weight. Don't you think after 17 years of trying that maybe just maybe you would have thought " Hey maybe I'm doing something wrong? or is there something wrong with me ?" personally I think I would have. Yet it is all the fault of the food made in America and gyms for taking advantaged of obese people |
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StanCo New Member
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Hey King - Just a hint of hostility there with Exercise Guy. I've heard it so many times, my kid is a personal trainer. We went on hCG and didn't tell him what we were doing. As far as he knew, we were on a low carb, low fat diet. He's good with it now, since he watched our weight plummet. Are we lucky, yeah 'Lucky like a Fox!' Fact is, if you want to lose weight by exercising and 'eating right', it takes a loooooong loooooong time. If you need it to happen fast, or for some health reason, you want to get it done as fast as possible. So let THEM do the cardio until their money or credit runs out. Seems if you don't do it THEIR way, it's wrong. I'd tell them to get over themselves, but I'm a nice guy. Both my Docs are totally impressed. Cardiologist & GP. |
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Hellrazor New Member
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Yeah my doc's are impressed considering I did it with my knee (look at my avatar).I do find it aggravating when someone else blames it on everything but themselves. Mr Stanco I joined my gym Oct 07 at 242 and by July 08 I was 165. So no it doesn't take long time if you do it right with D&E. Last time I remember taking walks didnt cost a thing . I have easily got my moneys worth out of my gym and then some. I feel better to know I did it myself with the aide of anything . All I can say is good luck in the long haul of it cause you guys will need it |
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CrimsonAnimus Moderator
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Fact is, if you want to lose weight by exercising and 'eating right', it takes a loooooong loooooong time. If you need it to happen fast, or for some health reason, you want to get it done as fast as possible. That just about sums it up... Still, it doesn't HAVE to take a long time. I've lost over 150 pounds in less than a year, with no supplements except a week or two of Green Tea Hoodia, which was a big mistake.  I did it by eating 1200-1800 calories 6 days a week for most of this period, along with one day at 2500-3000. I did an average of 9 hours of cardio over 6 days a week. I counted EVERYTHING. At least half of my diet was raw fruits and veggies, and the rest of it was food as minimally processed as possible, buying organic whenever possible. One month, I lost about 30 pounds (June). And all this from a guy with a seriously screwed up metabolism. I effectively reset it without injecting HCG. And no offense to King Corn...but you could have done more. 4 days a week of cardio is good, but there is always time for more. People make time for what is important. It all comes down to preserverance, and being willing to acknowledge that "Hey, what I'm doing isn't working - I need to change it," rather than "Hey, what I'm doing isn't working - I'm just going to give up and take the quick way." The HCG Gestapo might come after you for posting links, LOL. Actually, no. He managed to post a link that doesn't sell anything - you should try doing that sometime. By the way, Stan, congrats on your progress, too! |
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tinkerbell Member
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I've been reading this banter that is going on. It is so childish. Each person is different and will chose to do what they feel is best for them regardless of what others say, so you aren't going to change their minds. Nothing can be accomplished this way. If you want to give information maybe there is another way. Like: This is what I've done....... and it has worked very well for me. I did it this way because I was concerned about about this...............of other products. Share your concerns, don't attack. And you may say you weren't attacking, but the way you worded your message was. People don't like to be told they are wrong or stupid and that's the way it came across. This site is for sharing and asking questions not battles or debates. If you don't believe what a site is promoting why are you here if not to share your success? Be kind and thoughtful. |
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King Corn New Member
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I came on this forum being kind, friendly and helpful. Instead I got attacked for it. No apology has come my way, only hatred. I have shared that I have lost over 60lbs before (now 70.5lbs today), and that I did it with the HCG Protocol. It's been just over 3 months now since I started the HCG Protocol. Stan, you and I know exactly why they get so upset. I also get the reaction from telling people that I am vegan. Meat eaters get angry when you point out the fact that the human body lacks the digestive enzymes to properly digest meat. Not to mention the fact that the human intestinal tract is way too long for meat. Carnivores have 10 times the digestive enzyme strength as humans do. Carnivores also have intestinal tracts less than 3 times their own body height (or length for 4 legged animals), but people have intestinal tracts that are over 12 times their body height. With an intestinal tract that long meats gets stuck in there too long and it actually rots in the intestine. It creates a safe haven for bacteria and disease to grow and later spread through out the body. There is a lot of new information (well rediscovered information) out there about raw organic vegan foods. People are learning that you can cure all kinds of diseases simply by switching to this lifestyle. I am eating more and more raw vegan food all the time and is awesome!!! Anyone ever hear of sun gazing? There is actually a man how goes by the name of HRM that has lived on basically nothing but sunlight and water for over 10 years now. He occasionally has some other beverage for hospitality reasons. He has several documented "fasts" of nothing but sunlight and water for 200 to over 400 days straight. The calorie counters would go insane if they knew about that. I have done a bit of sun gazing lately myself, and it really takes away your hunger. It has to be done properly or it can lead to problems, but it is actually as simple as watching tv. You just need to be aware of the time periods that you will be safe to do it. Last edited on 20 November 2008 02:15 am by King Corn |
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Hellrazor New Member
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Yeah we are jealous blah blah blah cause we chose the proper way and you guys take the easy way out.So you think we hate you cause we had to work hard for our weight loss I have no hatred for you or anyone else using this but you throw blame on everything except yourself for the 17 yrs of not being able to loose weight , and that is aggravating . See for me it didn't start out as a weight loss journey it was strengthen my knee after 2 surgery's in 3 months and they weren't from being over weight. I had defect that sat dormant in my knee for 35 yrs and finally reared it's head. Once I started working out I started to see a huge improvement that was after 2 months. That is when my I found the book that lit my fire and it is SLY STALLONE'S book sly moves. From middle of Jan 08 to July 08 I was at the gym 6 days week improving each day. Now you can't keep me away from the gym why cause I love it. I ride up 80 miles a week why ?? cause I love it . So no I'm not jealous of any of you for taking the quick way but you have made the choice to wanna change so congrats on that Last edited on 20 November 2008 02:37 am by Hellrazor |
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CrimsonAnimus Moderator
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I'm not jealous at all, either. Actually, even though I have lost the weight pretty quickly, I have had to seriously earn it, which makes me appreciate it all the more. I like to take the time to work for my accomplishments - to each their own. Also, congrats x2 for making the choice to want to change. |
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StanCo New Member
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Good points being made by all.  Let's just... 'get along' (deep breathing, sigh)  Hope everyone has a great holiday season. Wifey and me will be having Thanksgiving with our eldest son and his wife, and will be sampling everything (twice). Looking forward to gaining a couple of pounds. (since we now know how to lose it easily) Is that wrong? Please don't judge us harshly - oh what the heck - go ahead and judge, we can take it. We have noticed however, there are many people who have been watching and applauding our progress, and others that seem to be offended by it? Go figure. Human nature I guess ??? |
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CrimsonAnimus Moderator
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Good ol' Thanksgiving... The family is talking about trying new dishes for the holidays, and they all sound so YUMMY! Leave it to the US to turn practically every holiday into a food-fest... Valentine's Day = Candy July 4th = Barbecue Thanksgiving = Cornucopia Meal + Nap Christmas = Too much to list New Year's = Scrambling around trying to find a restaurant open late Easter = Candy Halloween = Candy I think this is the REAL conspiracy here...who added food to all these holidays?!? |
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King Corn New Member
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I said before guys that I am glad that working out works for you, but it doesn't work for everyone. I also stated that I am not against working out because I plan to hit the gym again after I lose some more weight. I just get offended that after 17 years that I found something that works, yet you all still insist that it was the "easy way out". You don't even know the truth about the HCG Protocol, but you still sit and put it down. Stan, myself and several other members are losing weight with HCG, but you still insist that it doesn't work. What more do you want? |
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King Corn New Member
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CrimsonAnimus wrote: Good ol' Thanksgiving...The corporations add all of that junk, and yes it is a conspiracy. For the corporations, it's all about the money. I don't celebrate any of those anyway, so whatever. Valentine's came from the Romans, every American knows that the 4th came from 1776, Thanksgiving came from the second year the Pilgrims were at Plymouth Rock (according to the book by William Bradford, the leader of the Pilgrims), Christmas was started by the Catholic church in 1107 AD and placed on the winter solstice to attract more non-Catholics to their church (according to history and the Catholic encyclopedia), Easter was from Greek mythology (added to modern Christian worship in 325 AD by Constantine the Great at the Council of Nicea to counter the "Jewish Passover" that the Bible states was the real day), and Halloween was a pagan holiday. I study history and religion quite a bit as well. |
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Brenda65 New Member
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Is HCG so effective? |
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