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Nidhi New Member
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Has anyone tried the Beyond Calories e-book?? |
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alm New Member
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I'm on day 5 of this diet - have you started it? |
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Nidhi New Member
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I am only doing the normal FL4I diet. Does it work faster than the normal diet? Can you give me an example of it please? |
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alm New Member
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i'm not familiar with the normal FL4I diet, but my weight has not melted off like i thought it would, but then again i am only half way through. I started this past Saturday at 138, and today i weighed at 134. so that was about 4 pounds lost after 4 full days of the diet. i have also tried the fat loss 4 idiots diet, and have gotten the same results in the same time frame. |
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alm New Member
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my bad - i read FL4I and did not even realize you were talking about Fat Loss for Idiots!! i've tried that one as well and so far i do not see a big difference in the amount of weight i have lost on Beyond Calories, but i personally prefer FL4I, as the meals are more varied, and its only 4 meals per day, versus Beyond Calories, which is 6, which has been hard for me to squeeze in. |
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mikesmith New Member
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Hello, I am already a member of the FL4I, but I want to purchase the Beyond Calories. Does that mean I have to pay again and an additional 16.95 or is there anyway I could purchase only the Beyond Calories? Does anyone mind giving me an example of what are H.S Foods? Is there anyone who could help me? I would appreciate your reply. Thanks. Mike |
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mikesmith New Member
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I am surprised that I haven't yet received a reply! Usually, people respond quite quick. |
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Jules41 Senior Member 
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Hi Mikesmith I suppose people didnt reply because , like me, I was not aware of this ' beyond calories' you were talking about. I have been back opnto the FL4I web site as though I was a new customer, and now see what you mean. I went through the purchasing section and it looks like you have to buy the WHOLE package + the new bit -again( $55.95 or £29.50 plus VAT for UK purchase). I too would be interested in what this 'new section' gives you as it seems you cant just buy that bit, even if you are already a member, like we are. I have read some of the 'blog' about it, and get the feeling they would move you from eating 4 meals a day to say 6 or 7 smaller portion meals, but think the food choices/combinations would be very similar as it is still part of FL4I. Sorry I cant help you any further Jules |
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bookwyrm New Member 
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Hi, I bought the whole package in a moment of weakness. Really, REALLY not worth the extra $$$.  I'm at work now, but when I get home I'll post the basic meal outline, assuming that's OK with the admins here. It's actually not much different from the normal plan other than you eat at least 6 times a day. There are still different food categories (PRO, CHO, VEG) to choose from and you combine the categories in different ways to make your meals. I have yet to try this diet since I've got an acute case of analysis paralysis. Maybe someday I'll commit to something. Yes, I know. Very sad. |
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Dira New Member 
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When I purchased the fatloss4idiots plan online the "beyond calories" version was not available and it seems I can't purchase it separately. I'd like to know if anyone is using the beyond calories version and if you like it. I'd like to know if it's worth it and if it has more choices on foods because if it's worth it I'll just purchase the plan again along with the beyond calories add on. Thanks Dira  |
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mlb New Member
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Hello, I am considering starting FTL4I, and was wondering should I purchase BEYOND CALORIES. Please provide me with any information you may have such as what is it what types of food is it and any other information you can give. Thanks |
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junaluska New Member
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Well, it's day #7 and things SEEM to be going well. I have not weighed myself but I do feel thinner, full of energy, and I am sleeping well (aside from the trips to the bathroom from all the H2O!!!!). There is one thing that is concerning me though. My poop is YELLOW!!!!! Has anyone one else had this happen? If one looks on the internet for possible reasons for yellow poop, one can REALLY get concerned. I am hoping that this is just a temporary "stage" for some of us on this diet. Please let me know if you have had this problem. Thanks to all! |
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Nir Senior Administrator 
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My guess is you're just eating more fruits and vegetables than your do when you're not on this diet - am I close? |
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junaluska New Member
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Thanks Nir.....I appreciate the suggestion however, I have been pretty good with the fruits and veggies for the last year (give or take those "unexamined" days!). Most of the foods on this diet have been a regular part of my eating pattern...possibly with the exception of the nuts and bacon....I shied away from them. That leads me to believe it is not the foods in themselves but possibly the carb-protein shift. I don't think that most people normally eat only "carb" or "protein" meals..it usually is a combination. Does anyone have an idea???? Again, thanks. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member 
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RE: Beyond Calories Today is my 4th day on the "Beyond Calories". To my dismay, I haven't lost any weight! I've been adhering to the guidelines, with the exception of eating 6 meals per day: 1) Been drinking 64oz of water/day (YUCK!). 2) Have been walking two miles/day. 3) Only use seasoning salt and sometimes lemon juice to season foods. 4) Usually only 4 meals -- Yesterday 5 -- Hopefully today 6. 5) I have been drinking coffee with coffee cream, but the diet says "It's allowed". Here's my menu over the past 4 days: Day 1 Apples, Orange Cottage Cheese, Pastrami Shrimp, Broccoli Lettuce, Bell Pepper, Cucumber, Cashews Day 2 Pineapple, Grapes Cottage Cheese, Roast Beef Skinless Chicken, Lima Beans Cottage Cheese, Pastrami Day 3 Cottage Cheese, Pastrami Lima Beans, Pineapple Lettuce, Bell Pepper, Cucumber, Chicken Cottage Cheese, Roast Beef Shrimp, Broccoli, Cashews Day 4 (today's schedule) Cantelope, Orange Scrambled Eggs, Shrimp Lettuce, Tomatoe, Cucumber, Bell Pepper Scrambled Eggs, Pastrami Lettuce, Tomatoe, Cucumber, Bell Pepper Roast Beef, Navy Beans Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Last edited on 23 February 2008 06:09 pm by Anyar |
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Rainbow Member 
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Hi I am on day 6 and just noticed it yesterday. I am thinking it is the change from carbs to proteins because I never ate very much protein until this diet. It is funny, I wanted to ask this question under general on the forum but was too shy. Thanks |
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junaluska New Member
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Thanks Rainbow! What a relief..... like I said if one researches this "problem" all sorts of nasty conditions can be the cause. I could not believe that I coincidentally began to have liver problems that I was not aware of. Your similar experience allows me some peace of mind that all is OK! Thanks. Yeah, I know that it is not something that we really like talking about, but, what the heck....everybody poops!!! |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Now on m 5th day of "Beyond Calories", I'm glad to report that I finally dropped 3 lbs. I'm hoping that the next 5 days prove even more successful. |
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Rainbow Member
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Hey junaluska If I do not see an improvement soon, I may post this on the general discussion forum because there are quite a few who have been on this diet for months. My husband and I started this 7 days ago and he is not having the pale or yellow stools. I know what you mean though I started researching and since my gallbladder is removed I stated thinking liver. One web site stated something like if the liver is not functioning properly the proteins are not being utilized. yikes, Lets keep each other posted, okay. Today is my first all veggie day so we will see how that turns out  |
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Rainbow Member
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I went ahead and posted on the gereral discussion post and hopefully some of the experienced WL4I posters will help out and put our mind at ease. rainbow  |
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junaluska New Member
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Good job Rainbow! I am going on vacation wenesday and won't be back until the 15th of March...we're taking a cruise and OF COURSE I doubt I will hold fast and firm to the diet! I hope to stick with meat and veggies and some fruit...taking it very easy on the dairy and carbs and booze! We'll see how THIS goes. I stopped pooping the last few days (this is not that unusual for me) so I added flax seed to my foods yesterday and got some results! (I don't believe I'm proudly announcing this fact). The color is a little better (very little) so I am still concerned but hopeful that I am headed in the right direction. I don't really understand much about the gallbladder and how this may influence the "situation". Feel free to enlighten me. Personally, many years ago, in my late 20's - early 30's I abused alcohol. Although, directly after, and thru out the following 15 years, I have been told that my liver function is normal. Well, I really hope so, but I am always a little sensitive to ANY indication that something could be wrong. Keep up the good work and please keep me posted! Junaluska |
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Rainbow Member
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Hi junaluska Well. I had several responses, think some may have been offended but it is a natural process.  Mine is a little more normal today I think it is body detox and I think that is what several basically posted. So....I think we are okay if it does not change you may want to talk with the doc. With the gallbladder from what I understand it can possibly be a blocked bile duct, also keep in mind when we google this stuff altho helpful at times it can make your mind go wild places. Hope you have a great trip  |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Well, I've decided to keep this post going for anyone interested in "Beyond Calories".... I'm now down 5 lbs in 6 days!! The only problem, I seem to be losing my appetite and no longer want to eat.  All I want is coffee/cream. My first meal today included 2 Tbls of Egg Beaters and about 1 oz of Keilbaska Sausage. I couldn't seem to force myself to eat it. My second meal included 1/2 cup of Pinto Beans (which I love) and a slice of Roast Beef deli meat because I'm too lazy to cook. Again, had to pretty much scarf down because I wasn't hungry. My third meal (still too lazy to cook, and still not hungry), I had to force myself to eat about 3 tbls of Pinto Beans and 1 slice of Pastrami. It's 7:47pm, and I still have 3 meals to go that will not get eaten tonight. Have drank 32oz of water so far (YUK!), and didn't go for my daily walk. |
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nina0806 New Member 
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new here where can i check out this diet? and how is it going so far ? |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hi, Nina: There are actually two FatLoss4Idiots (FL4I) diets. The first is using the "Diet Generator" which predefines which meals you eat, and the second is called "Beyond Calories" which is what I'm on. Beyond Calories I'm pretty much the lone ranger on the "Beyond Calories" diet, but I actually like it because I can eat whatever I want from a food group menu. On this diet, you're "suppose" to lose an enormous amount of weight in 10 days. You must eat 6x/day (at least two hours apart), and half the portions that you would generally eat in a meal. You must also drink 8-10 glasses of water/day, and your choice of condiments and seasonings are very limited. Diet Generator The FL4I using the "Diet Generator" is slighty different. Using a pre-defined list, you must select the foods you prefer to eat. The Diet Generator then generates a daily meal plan defining what you can eat. Can't remember, but you're suppose to lose 9lbs in 11 days, or 11lbs in 9 day (sorry!). I believe you must eat the 4 meals/day that have been defined for you. You must also drink 8-10 glasses of water/day, and your choice of condiments and seasonings are not as restrictive as "Beyond Calories". If you go to the last page of the "FL4I - General Discussion", you will see all of the current members, the majority of which are using the "Diet Generator". If you want to purchase the diet, go to http://www.fatloss4idiots.com. It looks like the price has been reduced to 50% off. The regular FL4I using the Diet Generator is $20. If you want to add the Beyond Calories, it's an additional $19. Good luck. Let me know if you have any additional questions. Last edited on 26 February 2008 09:01 pm by Anyar |
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nina0806 New Member
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awesome thank you so much for your help.. im going to go to the website now and check it out.. sounds awesome and yes i read some of the feedback and everyone seems so satisfied and is doing so well.. i must try :) again thank you so much for taking the time out to explain it to me :) nina |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Glad I could help, Nina. Good luck!! |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Daily Update for 2/26/08.... Still holding at the 5lb loss. Today is my 7th day. Haven't been sticking to the diet very well, likely because I'm coming down with the Flu and don't feel well. Haven't been very hungry and, therefore, have not been eating the required 6 meals per day. Yesterday, I only ate too small meals which I forced down. Also, haven't been walking as I usually do (3-4x/week), and haven't been drinking the water that I should. I'm hoping today will be much better. Have only eaten two meals so far. |
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Mick New Member
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I've been doing Beyond all month. Haven't tried overly hard on the weekends. No beer 3-4 days per week. Eating what it calls for generally. Exercise daily either walk or weights for 1 hr. Down 13 lbs and 2-3 inches on my waist. For not being religious to this diet 3-4 days per week, I am very happy. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Wow, Mick!! That's wonderful. I haven't posted recently under this forum -- generally the FL4I General Discussion. I'm not doing to well on this diet right now. Primarily, because I'm sick with the flu, I'm buried in several inches of snow here in Michigan, and I'm having a very difficult time eating 6 meals per day. Although I love the Beyond Calories diet because of the food choices, I'm just not structured enough to eat that many times per day, plus my schedule doesn't permit it. So, I'm considering switching to the regular FL4I starting tomorrow where I'm only required to eat 4 meals per day. I've still lost 5lbs total during my first cycle. I absolutely love hearing success stories as it helps to keep me motivated. Thanks for sharing. |
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Mick New Member
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I may not eat exactly what it calls for. I may mix 2 proteins and 2 vegetables into 1 meal rather than 2 seperate ones. Still get about what I should but in 4 or 5 meals and gets a little more variety as well. Am now 206 from 222. That's 2 lbs less than when I quit smoking 13 months ago. This is a neat diet plan with lots of flexibility. |
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apartian New Member 
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Thank you, Anyar, for starting this post. I was on Beyond Calories for 11 days and lost 9 lbs. I have taken a week off as I was visiting in-laws and celebrating a 16th year wedding anniversary. I didn't want to worry about or feel guilty about what I was eating. Now it is time to start again. I am beginning Day 1 today eating canteloupe & blueberries for meal one. YUMMY! My favorite meals from the first time around include: - Eggs & pastrami - cabbage, onions & tomatoes (sounds wierd, but turned out delicious with salt and garlic added to spice it up.) - Roast Beef and cream cheese rolls (the diet says cheese slices, but I found that the small individual packages of cream cheese are less calories then a cheese stick. And these rolls feel like I am cheating.) I agree with the other posts in that I am not hungry on this diet. Actually, Day 1 last time I got hungry, but it was time to eat another meal so it was no big deal. I started this with my mother who only had 10 lbs to lose. She consistently lost 1/2 lb. each day. I, on the other hand, had only lost 1.5 lbs in 3 days. I started taking digestive tablets with each meal and found that suddenly the weight started falling off. I'm wondering if that was part of the problem that caused me gain weight in the first place. I have another 50 lbs to lose, so am looking forward to losing more weight. Renea |
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apartian New Member
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Hi Dira. I have never tried the original Fat Loss 4 Idiots so I don't know much about it. My mother brought me Beyond Calories because she wanted to do it together. I lost 9 lbs in for 11 days. Beyond Calories is all about food combining and increasing your metabolism by eating every 2-3 hours. You are given a table with a column of fruits, a column of proteins, a column of vegetables, and 4th column that includes everything from columns 1,2, & 3. For example, Day 1's meals are as follows: Meal 1 2 fruits / Meal 2 2 Proteins / Meal 3 1 Protein and 1 anything on the lists / Meal 4 3 Vegetables and 1 Protein / Meal 5 2 Fruits / Meal 6 2 Fruits You can see that Day 1 has a lot of fruits. Other days will have more vegetables and other days more proteins. I didn't get hungry on this diet except on Day 1, but when I did I looked at the clock and it was time to eat another meal so it was no big deal. Hope this helps! Renea |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hey, Renea: Sorry I haven't responded sooner but been offline trying to finish developing a wedding website for my brother. Congratulations on the weight loss!! Beyond Calories became a little frustrating for me because my schedule doesn't allow me to eat 6 meals/days. Just too busy, and realized that I'm not a very time conscious person. However, I did lose 5lbs. I believe had I stuck to the water drinking (YUCK!), and ate the 6 meals vs. the 3-4/day I was having, it might have proven a little more successful. You mentioned you were taking digestive tablets. What exactly are those? By the way, our names are really close. Mine is "Rayna". |
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rae_of_sunshine New Member
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hi! I've been doing the diet generatorfor 6 days..with out cheating!!...and have not lost an ounce...so I was thinking of switching..any tips or words of advice...I would realy appreciate it...thanx p.s. Apartian, wht pills are you taking? |
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apartian New Member
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Wow! Your name really is close to mine. :) Digestive Enzymes are the materials your stomach makes naturally to digest your food. That is, your body is supposed to make them naturally, but often people will take enzyme supplements to help aid in their digestion because for some reason the body isn't making them and needs help. You can purchase them at any healthfood store or most anyplace that sells vitamins. It's all natural. Not diet pills or anything. Yogurt contains one such digestive aid called Acidophilus. That's why they talk about eating yogurt to help calm your stomach. I'm beginning to wonder if my body was just not naturally creating all the enzymes I need to digest my food, so my body wasn't getting the nutrients it needed. That would explain why I was hungry ALL THE TIME. The body could only naturally process a little bit at a time based on its current supply of enzymes and the rest was just shipped on to the intestines to do their thing. Increased eating, meant increased calories, meant increased weight. Eating the Beyond Calories way and taking the Digestive Enzymes with each meal I am not hungry and am losing the weight. I even walked through Sam's Club during samples time and was not even tempted to sample anything. When you are full, you are full and don't want anything. It felt GREAT! My biggest advice is to plan out your meals in advance. Life is a lot of food on the go and if you plan in advance you will have in mind which of the six meals you can take with you to eat on the run. |
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apartian New Member
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By the way, like Rayna I couldn't eat six meals a day. I ended up with 5 meals a day because of my schedule. The purpose is to keep the metabolism going so any less then 5 meals a day is going to be a hinderence to the affectiveness of the program. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Apartian: I know what you're talking about! I actually have some. They are Papaya chewable enzymes. Someone at the GNC Health food store convinced me to buy them. I'm a sucker! I'll buy anything. Never tried them, but I do take Acidophilus (2billion CFU) daily because of chronic female problems. Maybe I'll start chewing the enzymes. My primary concern with Beyond Calories and just dieting, in general, is that I just can't eat 6 meals daily. The most I could get in were 4. Plus I couldn't remember to eat every 2 1/2 hours. I also wasn't drinking water the way I should, and not exercising faithfully. I work from home. I'm behind a computer every waking moment. My family gets so mad because I'm always behind this computer. As a result, I'm on my butt all day. I do try to get out to the mall to walk.Rae_of_sunshine: Too funny! Apartian's name is Renea, mine is Rayna (nick name Rae) and yours is Rae_of_sunshine (go figure!). Have you been sticking to the diet faithfully, walking daily and drinking all the water? Also, what I'm beginning to find out is when the diet says..."eat half of what you normally would", it took me a while grasp this concept. I think that's why I was full all the time and I wasn't losing as fast.
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apartian New Member
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You have got the idea. Except mine are a little more heavy duty as they have enzymes to digest proteins, fats, milk, starches, etc. Here's the link. http://www.naturessunshine.com/us/products/catalog/product/default.aspx?stocknum=1836 I also work from home on the computer a fair amount and have found I just have to set my appointment calendar alarm or I forget to eat as well. I am able to manage 5 meals a day, but cannot do 6. I also have a problem getting motivated to do the exercise thing. Sometimes I will tell myself I cannot watch my TV shows unless I spend the commercials lifting weights or doing crunches. Other times I get on the exercise bike while I watch. And other times I got into the exercise room, turn on the TV and lay down on the couch. Next thing I know it is 11pm and time for bed. Welcome to real life. :) Thanks again for posting this site. It's fun talking to you and your frustrations are shared so it makes it easier to handle them when they hit me the next time. I just think of you! |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Thanks. I'll check out the link and likely order some. As I mention before the digestive enzymes that I have contain too much Sucrose and Dextrose, which may impact my diet. Take care, and keep us posted on your weight loss. Last edited on 9 March 2008 03:39 am by Anyar |
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Will68 New Member 
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Hi to all here .I have tried the Beyond Calories diet twice now and have lost about 3kg (6lbs) both times, but when I started the next 11 day cycle I only lost about 700grams so I got a bit disheartened and didn't go back. I actually liked the diet but like the rest of you trying to fit in the 6 meals was a challenge. I am suppose to be on the Diet genreator plan now but where as I found the BC diet has too many meals to consume i find the DG does not contain enough and there wasn't enough veg for me and I found I was getting a little constipated  .I am at the crossroads now and I am unsure of what to do. I haven't been  ing out and I have actually tried to follow the rules of both programs......tomorrow I will weigh and see what has occurred.Mick I might even follow your method you sound like you are doing really well, congrats on what you have lost so far. Hi Rayna and Renae....Rayna thanks for introducing this thread. Look forward to seeing how you all go. Will68 |
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Will68 New Member
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Hello and welcome to Rae_of_Sunshine and Nina, sorry I forget to mention you both as well. Willa68 |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hey, Will68: Thanks for joining in. I'm on my 2nd cycle. The 1st was Beyond Calories (lost 5 lbs), just too many meals. The 2nd is using the Diet Generator, which is much better, and I'm able to stick with it. Now on my 6th day. Have decided not to weigh in until my last day on the cycle (I like surprises!!). Unlike Beyond Calories, which offers lots of fiber I, too, was very concerned about the lack of fiber using the Diet Generator. Fortunately, there are fiber substitutes that can be used. In the past I have used a GNC colon cleanse product that is very good with all natural products. I have chosen to do this again for the length of time on this diet. You might want to check out some natural products at a health food store. But, by all means, stay away from laxatives, particularly over a prolonged period of time. My other concern about the diet are the number of times I'm required to eat fish. Having read several studies, it is suggested that women eat no more than 2-3 servings per week. It actually makes me wonder who devised this diet. Anyway, hang in there. Don't give up. Try the diet generator but just find a fiber substitute. |
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Will68 New Member
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Anyar wrote: Hey, Will68: Thanks for the feedback Rayna I think sometimes you get caught in a rut and this weightloss business is very frustrating Goodnight from my end of the world. Will68 |
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Patti New Member
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Hello! I am new and finally starting tomorrow. Question. Salmon is on my plan but can I have it sashimi style??? Thanks for any help!! Patti |
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Patti...are you on fl4i?? Salmon is not on the plan. When did you buy the plan? More into please...so I can help you. SS  |
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bunny000 New Member
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I just wanted to throw this out there. I have a package of sirloin steaks in the fridge and they are very lean. My husband will be throwing them on the grill this evening. This is my fruit day so If I sliced one up and put in on bread for my sandwich with lettuce, onion and ketchup do you think that would work as the meat for the sandwich. Just wondering. A hot steak sandwich would be so wonderful. Bunny |
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Hiker Distinguished Member 
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I don't see why not. To me it is no differnent than having a roast beef sandwich and I know that's allowed. Of course...seee my general post and you might not want to listen to me  .Hiker |
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sarahmg80 Member 
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Hello everyone! So I'm debating on giving the Beyond Calories a try. I'm on day #9 of my 2nd cycle using the Diet Generator and I am down 7 lbs. I lost 5 the first cycle and have only lost 2 more on my present cycle.  I'm a bit disappointed! I have been reading everyone on the main forum talk about how well they are all doing and I can't help but throw myself a little pity party when I think of how badly I want to loose more than I have! I also have a hard time eating more than 4 meals per day, but the BC seems appealing to me because it looks like there are more meal choices and I am so bored with the DG's meal options. So has anyone out there stuck with this and seen good results? Any honest feedback is greatly appreciated! Thanks a bunch all! Sarah |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Bunny...I think if it is very lean...you will be just fine...similar to roast beef. Enjoy!! Infact, you could toast the bread and serve your steak over toast like a steak sandwich is in the restaurants...with a few slices of tomato on the side. Sunshine |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hey, Sarah: 7 pounds is very good. That's much more than what you typically would have lost on a normal low-cal, low-fat diet. So, don't give up!! Apartian actually lost 9lbs in the first 11 days (look at the previous posts). I know that I've lost some weight, just don't know how much but I'm currently using the Diet Generator. I haven't weighed myself, but I tried on my bridesmaid dress (that I bought 1 size too small), and I can almost get it zipped. |
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sarahmg80 Member
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Thanks Anyar: do you think the Beyond Calories might be a better fit for me? I'm just feeling so down-hearted! Really want to do well, but I definitely need more variety than what the DG offers! I've found myself cheating more this cycle than the first...a lot out of shear boredom! I'm still trying to sub like for like, but I'm sick of fish & shrimp & roast beef & ....the list goes on! I've found that if it were down to eating what was on the menu or not eating---I'd rather not eat! Here's hoping for inspiration! Sarah |
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blackcal Senior Member 
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bunny000 wrote: I just wanted to throw this out there. I have a package of sirloin steaks in the fridge and they are very lean. My husband will be throwing them on the grill this evening. This is my fruit day so If I sliced one up and put in on bread for my sandwich with lettuce, onion and ketchup do you think that would work as the meat for the sandwich. Just wondering. A hot steak sandwich would be so wonderful. Hi Bunny, The instructions state that you should eat any kind of deli meat. Deli meat is often on the fatty side. So, I don't think your steak has to be that lean. I'd go ahead and have the steak sandwich since I feel it's comperable to using roast beef from the deli. I just don't think it has to be lean. This diet has us eating high-fat foods at times. Blackcal |
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jcjon22 New Member 
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hey everyone, im new to this forum and was interested in seeing other peoples expierences on FL4I. im on my second cycle and only lost 5 lbs out a needed 15-20. i love the fact that it tells you exactly what to eat and with the 4 meals a day im not hungry. im dealing with a little of the constipation and will try the enzymes to get rid of that problem. my question that no one seemed to address was the 3 day "cheat" period. i was nervous about that and only had one meal that was fattening but i havent lost anymore weight since the beginning of the first cycle. anyone have a good or bad expierence on the 3 days off? |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Sarah: Try the Beyond Calories. Today is my 11th day (Cycle 2) and I have lost a total of 12 lbs. Cycle 1 (Beyond Calories) couldn't stick with because I wasn't disciplined. Cycle 2 (Diet Generator) helped me to establish that discipline. So, I've decided to switch back to Beyond Calories starting tomorrow. I think you will do well because you have already achieved that accomplishment. Plus it might help with any boredom you've experienced by switching. Let me know how it works out. Jcjon22: Welcome aboard. Congratulations on the 5lb weight loss. You are much closer to your weight goal. It you read further above, I gave will68 some recommendations on constipation. It really helped me. I also like eating prunes, which I think I will add to my diet next cycle. On your 3-day cheat sheet, be careful. Don't get too out of control. Try sticking with 4 meals/day. Eat what you want but within moderation. I would avoid as much as possible the really bad foods (sugar, fried foods, etc.). Go for a good deli sandwhich, rather than the fast food hamburger and fries. Go for a smoothie, rather than a milk shake. A good forum for you to join is the "FL4I General Discussion" group. There is a lot of helpful advice. The most current posts are closer toward the last pages (like page 64). Good luck. |
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HI, I put a post on the FL4I general board and then I saw this. Can anyone tell me if I can go back and purchase the BC diet? I didn't purchase it when I bought FL4I am I just out of luck now? Hiker |
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Hiker: Send me a private message, and I'll explain how. |
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Hiker wrote: HI, I put a post on the FL4I general board and then I saw this. Can anyone tell me if I can go back and purchase the BC diet? I didn't purchase it when I bought FL4I am I just out of luck now? Hiker, I'm not happy with the results I got on my second cycle of WL4I. So, I think I'll do Beyond Calories starting Monday. If you are doing BC, too, want to keep in touch with each other? I'm in Mass., too, for what that's worth. Thanks. Blackcal |
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OK, this is probably a stupid question but when it says, for example 2 from group 1 do I have to have 2 different things from group 1,l ike an orange and blueberries or can I just have an orange? I do understand when it says 1 from group 1 and 1 from group 2 I need to pick from both groups but when it is within the same group? Hiker |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Whenever it says 2 from Group1, that means you can eat either 2 fruits or just 1. It's your preference. I'm starting BC again tomorrow. To be able to eat 6 meals/day, I'm going to reduce the choices I eat per meal unless; however, it says eat 3 items from Group3, in which case that will be a salad for me (lettuce, tomotoe, cucumber). If you chose a salad, I found that the new Salad Spritzers are really good because you can evenly spray the salad without having to use suggested 2tbls limit. With the spray, you don't need 2tbls. Hiker, also, if you have MS Excel or MS Works, I created a really nice spreadsheet that breaksdown everything. Tab1 is the tracking sheet that allows you to lay your menu out for the 10-day period, and track everything you eat. It also allows you to track your water and your daily exercise. Tab2 is the Food Group menu that you can choose from. Tab3 are the rules of the diet. Tab4 is a weight tracking schedule over 55 days. If interested, let me know and I'll send it to you. Rayna Last edited on 15 March 2008 08:57 pm by Anyar |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Rayna, yes, I would love to try using your spreadsheet. Anything that helps is great. Thanks again, I am really excited about trying this, at least from just reading it, I think it may be more suited for me. Hiker Last edited on 16 March 2008 01:37 am by Hiker |
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blackcal Senior Member
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Hiker wrote: OK, this is probably a stupid question but when it says, for example 2 from group 1 do I have to have 2 different things from group 1,l ike an orange and blueberries or can I just have an orange? I do understand when it says 1 from group 1 and 1 from group 2 I need to pick from both groups but when it is within the same group? Hiker, It's not a stupid question. I was wondering the same thing. I don't like many of the foods in Group #1 and will probably wind up selecting only a few different items from the list, so being able to double up the same food for a meal will be helpful. Blackcal |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Hi guys, I know I read it somewhere but of course now I can't find it....how many ounces of water are we suppose to drink daily? Hiker |
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They say 64 ounces of water is a must and 80 ounces is best.  Amjacie |
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And Anyar, I too would love to see the spreadsheet you created!! Amjacie |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Thanks AmJacie. The water is the easy part of this for me, I love water. Anyar, those spreadsheets are fantastic! You must have put a lot of work into them. I've had 3 of my six "meals" and so far so good. I really haven't been hungry, the real challenge will be tonight....TV time is a killer but my husband loves TV and it is really the only time we see each other so I hate to go do something else. Oh well, I will just have to deal. I will save one of my mini meals for TV time. Hiker |
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AmJacie - Sent you a PM regarding the spreadsheet. It really helps keep me on track. Hope it works for you. I'm glad you enjoy drinking water. That's one of my biggest downfalls. Getting down 48-64 oz is a real push for me, but I've been managing to do it. Maybe as time goes by, I'll be able to push it to 80 oz. Hiker: Glad to hear from you. I'm really glad you like the spreadsheet. As I said before, it really keeps me on track and allows me to plan my meals weekly. By the way, remember our conversation on stomach problems? All I can say is P-R-U-N-E-S!! LOL I was watching TV last night snacking on prunes (because I like them) not realizing just how many I ate -- I will never eat that MANY AGAIN!! LOL Rayna |
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I've gotten through my second day, only 1 "meal" left. So far I really like this better than the FL4I diet mainly because there are a lot more veggies and most days I get to have veggies with my protein once a day. To me those two things are huge. I am really glad I tried this, at least so far. Has anyone gone through the cycle...what did you do after 10 days? Hiker |
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Hi Hiker...I took a break over the weekend and then restarted ( I did day 1 twice) I like it too! SS |
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Hey SS, glad to hear you like this one too. I just got my Suzzane Summers book and I have only glanced at it but it looks really good. I think you are right, it looks like it really addressess a lot of my issues. Thanks for the suggestion. Hiker |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Hiker...glad you like it...it clears up some of the science behind it, which helps us make intelligent choices with some knowledge and info, rather than blindly "hoping for the best"...I've been trying to do some research and see what works and why, so that maintenance will work. We need some idea of WHY this works and WHAT works. We can't live on fl4i or BC permanently...and I for one don't want to be yoyoing back and forth. The fl4i does calorie shifting, carb/protein shifting, using foods that are not calorie dense, multiple small meals, limiting food choices per meal and food combining...atleast these are principles I have identified so far. The science behind limiting food choices will work with most anything...you will eat a certain amount of any one thing at a meal before you don't want more(if it isn't binge provoking...full of sugar and fat)...so the more items per meal...the more you will eat....now if most of the items are veggies or fruit...no problem...but some items are very calorie dense and really add up calorie wise. Let me know what you think as you begin figuring this out too...it's nice to have someone interested in what this program is all about to brainstorm with...I know some do better just blindly following diets as if they were magic. Some people start "cheating" when they don't follow a diet to the letter and lose control...I don't want to stumble anyone who is better with strict compliance especially new people who need the discipline of learning the program and the principles it teaches before implementing any personalization of the plan. SS |
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blackcal Senior Member
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sunshine wrote: We need some idea of WHY this works and WHAT works. We can't live on fl4i or BC permanently...and I for one don't want to be yoyoing back and forth. Hi sunshine, The Beyond Calories manual actually does a pretty good job describing how this particular diet works. It's covered in detail on the first eight pages. I don't see why you can't do BC anytime in the future when you find that a few pounds has crept back. Also, adopting the spirit of eating more, smaller meals might help in keeping them off in the first place. Blackcal |
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sunshine, i agree that it seems difficult to expect these programs to work forever. however i have already found that on my 3 cheat days im carrying over the four meals a day in moderation and im only on my second cycle of FL4I. i think its more about establishing the good habits and thats what will carry over not so much the actual food. good luck :))) Last edited on 19 March 2008 05:20 am by jcjon22 |
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Yes...I agree with you both...I will use the principles...just not the the exact diet day by day on maintenance...and will use the diet any day that I feel I am gaining. Thanks for your thoughts SS |
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It sounds like we are all of the same mind set, we are looking for something we can carry on for the rest of our lives. I really think together we are working some things out here. I think the small meals a day (either 4 or 6) and the combining seem to be key. I really hope to get into the Suzanne Somers book this week end but just the little I've seen seems to go with this program pretty well. Basically combining protein and veggies is okay and carbs and veggies but never protein and carbs. At least that is what I got out of it on first glance. Looking ahead at my menus for BC that seems to hold true it looks like most days you get one meal where you can combine protein/veggie. And I think we all know there is going to be an occasional  in our lives. SS, I completely agree, if we can figure out the science behind this we we'll have a good outline of what to follow. Hiker |
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Hiker, you are sooooo right! I laughed out loud about the !!!!! Glad we can all have a little humor and not take this thing so seriously! I have to say...through this lifestyle rearrangement my new late night tv snack has become  s. The FUJI variety are so sweet and crunchy that they kill two birds with one stone. Just a little fyi.... |
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JCJON Im right there with you on the fuji appleas, I also sometimes (I know this is bad) but I put salt on them and then I get, salty, sweet, crunchy. Hiker |
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I meant to add...another nice sweet variety are Ambrosia, they are a little hard to find around me but whenever they are available I pick them up. |
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thanks for that...im at the mercy of Krogers but i will definetly keep an eye out for the ambrosia variety. and lucky for me...I HATE SALT! hahahaha! |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Well, just checking in. Today is my 3rd Day on Beyond Calories. Again, haven't done good with eating six meals. Ate 5 on Monday, and 4 on Tuesday and Wednesday. I sure hope eating six meals will not stop me from losing. Getting a little worried. Need to drop about 18 more lbs by April 19th. Haven't cheated until today. Went to my mom's who made some homemade cinammon raisin bread. Didn't eat a slice, but broke a little piece off. Tomorrow, starting to workout at the gym along with my 2-3 mile walks several times per week. |
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Anyar, sounds like you are doing everything right, so you had a sliver of cinnamon bread, who could resist? Does you mom want to adopt a 50+ year old? Sorry, couldn't resist, my mom is a great mom but cooking or baking....I think not. She did make toast with cinnamon and sugar on it once I think. Does that count? You are working out a lot, which I think is great but are you sure you're not losing inches? I bet you are, remember if your building muscle you will lose inches but not pounds, I know we like to see the results at the scale but just keep trying that dress on, you're almost there! Besides you have us all so hooked on getting you into that dress we will all show up at your house (yup, all 50 or so of us) and squeeze you into it if we have to, so keep that in mind you'd better do it or you will have 50 women, all who have been on a diet so we are in no mood for foolishness, showing up on your door step...not a pretty sight . Seriously, you have been doing great, just keep plugging away, you will make it  .Hiker |
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Hiker and Everyone! I just posted this on the "General Discussion" page. I am so excited.... "Drum Roll, Please...." Ladies and gentlemen, as of 10:30am EST today, I was able to get in to and zip my new bridesmaid dress that I'm required to wear come April 19th. The only problem, it will remain zipped providing I don't breathe!! LOL Since breathing will be a requirement as I walk down the isle, stand on stage, and dance at the reception, guess I need to hang in here a couple more cycles!! What 'da 'ya thing??? Rayna |
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CONGRATULATIONS, ANYAR !!! thats very exciting!it sounds like this milestone will be enough to keep you motivated for the duration! you will have to post a pic of this fabulous dress when you can do the elecrtic slide in it properly! LOL!! continued success.... |
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Anyar, you go girl. Breathing is not esential, well actually it is, but if necessary take very shallow breaths . Just kidding, you stay on cycle until the wedding and the dress is going to fit like a glove. 'Congratualtions. Hiker |
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Hi all you BC people...this is my second cycle of BC after 4 or 5 of fl4i....I LOVE THIS PLAN  ....I like being able to choose my items...and I like the veggies and fruit that I can have...and while I don't always get to 6...I found that four meals on fl4i was one meal too little for my day. I am also losing better on this plan...perhaps because there is no grains ?? and I can eat less per meal because there are more mealtimes.SS |
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Hi, I've been watching these boards now for a few weeks and thought it was time to drop on in. Two years ago, I started somersizing and lost 35 pounds. But what was more impressive was my lab work. I have chronic pancreatitis and my lipids stay pretty high. My numbers are almost unheard of, my doctors almost didnt believe the numbers, but eating this way is good for me and brought my numbers way down. (Slipped back up now). Since then I kind of veered off it a bit and gained 12 pounds back (not bad for 2 years) but for the most part stuck to the principals of it. I did let more carbs slip in though then I should of. Anyhow, I thought I would try FL4I as kind of a prelude back to how I used to eat, just wanted to detox from the carbs. I am on day 5 and have lost 5 pounds. But I dont like the fact that I cant have veggies with my protein at least once a day. I also work long hours, until about 3 am and I am finding I need a 5th meal. I am really thinking about switching to BC, I think it is more of what I am used to as I am very familiar with concept of combining, protien/fat and carb meals. But...I did not download the program  as I thought FL4I would be okay for me. So I need some help on how to get the program now after the fact. Help anyone? I really need some more veggies . I find myself only eating 1 item usually as how they combined these as a meal .... iick, although I do eat 2 of them if it is like cottage cheese and deli or eggs.Anyar - Congrats on being able to see your goal now, which is so close. After I figure our how to obtain BC after the fact, I would really be interested in seeing how you laid the program out in Excel. I like planning my meals ahead of time so I dont have to think about it, like maybe a weeks worth and then tweak it when I need to. It sounds like you have done all the work for me . Please let me know if you would be willing to share this with me after I am able to get the other program. I would really like to lose another 25 pounds by July, so while I am making progress I would really like to keep it going.Everybody sounds like they are making great strides! |
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SS, I am so glad you like this plan. It is definitely a choice but this one seems to fit my life better also. I think you have more freedom when it comes to picking you food and the 6 meals is also nice. Autumn, welcome. I am on my 5th day of BC, before that I did a couple of cycles of the DG and l lost about 10 pounds, I wasn't as faithful as I have been with this, mostly because I wanted my veggies which on cheat led to another, etc, etc. Anyway I think if you really like those veggies this may be a better choice.Funny you should mention Somerizing, I just got the book, at SS suggestion, and it is not too far off from the BC plan. I plan to stick with BC for a couple of cycles and then I think I will try Somerizing...we will need a new website . Anyway, I think you might be happier with BC, like you I missed having veggies with my protein at least once a day, on this plan you will have that options almost every day. I think I there are 2 days in the 10 day cycle that you can't and one of them is veggies so on that one I plan on having my vegetable soup for dinner. If you want to send me a PM I can help you with getting the BC program. You must be a night owl....I am just getting up on the east coast.Hiker |
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Hi everybody! I'm really glad that you started this thread because I downloaded both FL4I and BC and have been reading both plans and the other threads about the diets trying to decide which one to try first. I plan to start on Monday because I have a bridal shower tomorrow and with Easter being on Sunday. I am getting married at the end of this year and have tried literally everything. I am hopeful, excited and more than a little nervous about starting a new plan and again not getting results. It is really encouraging to read what all of you have posted and how positive you all are, thank you for that. Anyar: I read about the spreadsheet you created and if it wouldn't be too much trouble I think that would really help me. I too am the sort of person who is helped by seeing everything written out in front of me and I would like to see how you have it set up. Also, on some of the other diets I have tried, I have used them along with digestive aids and have always noticed much better results with them. I think that slow digestion is a big problem, especially amongst women because digestion can be effected by stress. Thanks and continued good luck to everyone! Katie |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Hiker, sent you a PM sitting here eating my bacon yum-yum |
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Autumn...so did the Somers diet bring down your cholesterol and if so by how much? There is high cholesterol in my family and I would love to know more about the results you saw....and on that diet you can eat quite a bit of fat too, right? Thanks for any info...if you want you could also PM me if you don't want it all on forum. Thanks SSPS I found it helpful to do fl4i first to get the hang of things before giving myself choices...fl4i is very clear and teaches the discipline of eating this way. Everyone is different but that is my opinion. |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Sunshine, I spent 20 years in and out of the hospital with pancreatitis because of my lipids. You are not going to believe these numbers, but I have the proof and they even amazed my docs. When I would have an attack my triglycerides would be as high as 10,000 (normal being 135) and my cholesterol would be 1300 (normal being 200 or under). I was able to get my triglycerides down to 500 (doc said this was great for me with where my numbers were) and my cholesterol went down to 135, which was better than most people in the office. I have also not had a pancreatitis attack now in 2 years, came close, but if I go on clear liquids for a couple of days I can head it off. My doc was amazed with these numbers. When somersizing, it is full fat, no LF and not FF. The only time you use FF is when you are having carbs. I will PM with any other specifics you may want. |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Wow, Autumn...that is absolutely amazing!!! I am soooo happy for you that you are well!!!!!..it is quite a thought that food can be our medicine or poison...even healthy people should take note of the difference diet made in your documented blood chemistry results!! It sure makes you wonder if many illnesses are really diet related in some mysterious way and that a change of diet would be better than a boatload of drugs ....perhaps even cure some things!! You've given me a lot to think about.Thank you for sharing your story!! SS Last edited on 21 March 2008 10:33 pm by sunshine |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Sunshine, I did these numbers in 6 weeks, but docs think the triglycerides being so high is what made the cholestrol so high and when the triglycerides came down within reason (for me) it helped the cholesterol come down too. So, somersizing helped both ways. Even DG and BC should help as they are sort of on the same lines as SSing. |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Having pancreatitis so many times has now made me a diabetic and on Insulin, but.....with sticking with a high protien/low carb/good carb diet has kept me out of the hospital. SUGAR is a nasty thing. On the flip coin, if you really need some sugar, you can have a piece of chocolate but make sure it is at least 60% cocoa. This is allowed with SSing. I used to hate dark chocolate, but every once in a while I buy a bar of dark chocolate 60% or more cocoa and keep the rest in the freezer for the next urge. This may only happen maybe once a month if that. |
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Hey all!! I can feel my clothes getting loser . Still haven't weighed in. Gonna wait until Day 10. JCJON22: I will definitely post a pic once we get the pictures. And for you, I just may do the "Electric Slide"! LOL HIKER: I can just see myself standing next to the bride/groom, holding my breath, turning the same color red as the dress, then passing out! LOL But, in all honesty, I have a feeling that dress may be a little loose come April 19th. SUNSHINE: So glad you like BC. I truly enjoy the ability to chose what I want to eat. It's makes the meal planning much easier. My only problem now, is that I'm getting a little bored. So, today, I combined two meal options and had a McDonald's Bacon Ranch Grilled Chicken Salad. Wow! Was it good!! AUTUMN: 5 Lbs is great. You only have 7 more to go to lose the 12 pounds you gained over two years, which is also remarkable. Send me a private message and I'll contact you about BC and the spreadsheet. RICCI21: The first diet I tried was BC. It didn't work too well because I wasn't discipline enough to eat 6 meals/day. I remember reading some time ago where "Sunshine" learning the discipline first. She was absolutely correct. It definitely helped me. If you start the DG (diet generator), after that first cycle then try BC. After a week of the DG, I think you'll come to appreciate BC. Further up in the thread, there was a member named "apartian" who also used digestive tablets. She said they worked wonders. I have some (Papaya Enzyme) but they're really sweet so I'm a little concerned about using them. "apartian" did provide a link where she bought hers so I think I will try them. Good luck. Last edited on 22 March 2008 01:06 am by Anyar |
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Decided I am going to finish the first cycle of DG and then switch to BC. It is much more to my liking. Got to have some veggies tonight (was suppose to be garden salad, but had a chance to have zucchini) so I ran with the zucchini instead. Felt like I was in heaven. Gosh I cant wait until this cycle ends. Looking forward to BC  I have 140 pages 2-sided of food that will just fit in here perfectly for the most part |
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.Hi guys. I posted this on the regular thread and then thought it migh be better posted here: I am getting a little worried with BC, I really like it and I have sworn I will not weigh myself for the full 10 days (4 to go) but I am never hungry so I hope I am not overeating at the 6 meals. I am trying to make sure they are small, at least 5 of them one I tend to have a little larger meal. If I'm wrong I guess I'll do it again and eat less .How is it going for you? Maybe I'm eating too much ? That would not be a good thing . Boy you just can't make me happy....I'm not happy if I'm hungry and apparently I am not happy when I'm not. Actually I am happy just a little concerned.One thin I didn't realize when I started this...Sunday (the one day of the week I might actually cook) is just protein or just veggies...not good planning on my part. Oh well, guess its veggie soup on Sunday. Have a great day and to all of you who are celebrating....Happy Easter  Hiker |
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Hiker - Hi, I'm in the same boat tomorrow, all day veggie. You get a better choice though being on BC, I'm not allowed mushrooms! Tip: If you like Portobello mushrooms, cook 1 up and put it between lettuce like a hamburger. Portobello mushrooms are so dense you can substitute them like hamburger and you would be surprised at how little difference there is in the taste. Use whatever you are allowed to use on the program as far as condiments and you can have a great meal especially if you miss hamburgers as it seems like I only beef I see on here is roast beef, not sure if this could be switched as like-to-like, but if not you wont miss that hamburger if you substitute the Portobello mushroom for the meat. |
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Hi Hiker, While drawing up BC menus today for Days 6 through 10, I noticed that most of the food items were being drawn from Groups 2 and 3. That does make things tougher. I'm not even thinking of normal food combinations while on this diet; it's a totally unique food plan. On Day 6 you get to do a little bit of normal food combining with Meal #1 if you want. Maybe you could make sure Day 6 falls on Sunday, or just take it on a Sunday. For that meal you could have, for instance, fish and a salad or ham with vegetables - anything that uses 4 items from Group #4. Days #9 and #10 each call for 2 selections from Group 4 for Meal #1, so maybe those days would give you cooking opportunities as well. This diet is certainly very strange. Blackcal |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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It really is only day 7 and 8 that don't let you do some combining so it's really not that bad, I just planned wrong. I think another time I would just start on a Tuesday instead of the Monday and that would fix the problem. Today, I am going to take Autumns suggestions and have portebella mushrooms for dinner along with another veggie or 2 so I will be fine. Just have to tough it through. Hiker |
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Hiker, enjoy your mushroom burger today Happy Easter to all  |
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lilycalifornia New Member
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Hi everybody. I'm new here. =) I just bought the Fat Loss 4 Idiots and I'm debating whether I should do the regular Diet Generator or the Beyond Calories diet. I have several events coming up that I want to look good for! Most of them are in April (4th, 11th, and 12th) but I have something coming up THIS Saturday! Which diet do you think will help me lose the most amount of weight in a week's time? And in general, do you guys feel you're losing more on the BC than the DG? Plus I'm kinda worried that I won't lose as much since I'm not technically overweight, just really short and Asian and therefore pudgy looking and fatter than all the other girls-.-; Thanks~ (Stats: 5'1", 123lbs; Goal: 105lbs) |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hiker wrote: .Hi guys. I posted this on the regular thread and then thought it migh be better posted here: Hiker: I had the same problem on my 1st and partial 2nd cycle. Couldn't figure out why I was never hungry. It's hard to judge when I'm overeating guess cause I've done it for so long. So this is what I've learned to do.... Add all the food to your plate that you think you would normally eat, then take half off. I love nuts, and they fill me up. I learned to stop eating from the can. I measure out on a napking what I would normally eat, the put half back. I truly think our stomachs are shrinking because every day is becoming more challenging. This morning I had only a few Macadamia nuts and coffee. Can't get in a 2nd option from the BC Food Group #2 because my stomach is too full, so I really believe my stomach has shrunk quite a bit. Hope this helps. Last edited on 23 March 2008 09:33 pm by Anyar |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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lilycalifornia wrote: Hi everybody. I'm new here. =) Hey, Lily: Welcome aboard. Think you will love this site. It is so helpful. The diet generator (DG) and the Beyond Calories (BC) is somewhat different. On DG you eat 4 meals/day -- on BC you eat 6. Eating 6 meals per day is an acquired discipline. I started my first cycle on BC and it was hard. First, it was difficult determining when to stop eating. Secondly, I wasn't disciplined enough to eat 6 meals per day. My recommendation is to start with the DG first. This will better introduce you into the program. After DG, if you feel you can handle BC then go for it. Be sure to read my advice above to "Hiker" on how to learn to stop eating. This, in itself, is a real challenge. Remember! You should only eat half of what you normally eat, but you will find that you're never hungry. Also, if you decide to do the DG, be sure to check out the "General Discussions" thread. There are very helpful people out there. Good luck. Last edited on 23 March 2008 09:27 pm by Anyar |
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jcjon22 New Member
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welcome autumn and lilly. hope you find this forum as helpful and encouraging as i have ANYAR, i also have the papaya enzymes...the lady at the vitamin shoppe told me it was highly recommended for my need...ahem....u and i both know what i mean!! LOL! i guess she talked the product up so much that i didnt even check the back of the bottle to see how many sugars were in it. is that your concern specifically? they are kinda like a little party mint in your mouth! |
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Will68 New Member
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Hi I thought I would open up a diary tracing my own personal weightloss while doing the BC diet. I am hoping it will keep me grounded and will be a reference point of where I can easily keep track of what I am eating on a day to day basis. While on the BC I will incorpoarate some form of exercise each day if possible as outlined in plan - not sure if the 2x30 minute sessions will be successfully implemented but I will have a go where time permits. Also I will drink the recommended water (plus) intake.Now the only thing left to do besides start the BC is to learn how to put in a weightloss ticker so everyone can see the results for themselves. Cheers Will68 |
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Will68 New Member
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okay here goes with my weightloss ticker!!!! Lets see it it worked.....Yeah!!!!. I've actually increased my weight due to the Easter indulgence. So instead of 13lbs its a bit more as you can see .Will68 |
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blackcal Senior Member
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Anyar wrote: Be sure to read my advice above to "Hiker" on how to learn to stop eating. This, in itself, is a real challenge. Remember! You should only eat half of what you normally eat, but you will find that you're never hungry. Hi Anyar, Do you ever find that you are somewhat hungry after your first meal of the day? I am sometimes, but I don't want to eat any more because I know the second meal will be coming up soon, so I just tough it out. How long were you doing BC before you lost your appetite? Thanks. Blackcal |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Blackcal: Actually, I'm never hungry. I truly have a feeling that my stomach is shrinking. In the past, my diet was usually coffee, cream, donut or sugary cereal in the morning. My next meal wasn't until 5-6pm after work. Took lunch only if I had time. So switching from that to 6 meals per day, I'm never hungry. I actually developed this non-hunger thing into my 3rd day of Cycle #1. For example, today at 1:30pm ate a few Macadamia nuts (my favorite) and drank coffee, cream. At approximately 4:30pm, I still didn't want to eat. It wasn't until I got to my mom's house with Easter dinner that my stomach woke up and wanted everything that I shouldn't have. If you're feeling hungry, try eating just a slightly larger portion in the morning. Make that your biggest meal. Also eat something of substance such as scrambled eggs and sausage. That should keep you going a while. Last edited on 24 March 2008 04:17 am by Anyar |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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jcjon22 wrote: welcome autumn and lilly. hope you find this forum as helpful and encouraging as i have The Papaya Enzymes by GNC are really, really good. I could throw the whole bottle in my mouth and eat them. They're like candy. Mine contain Sucrose and Dextrose. I was given a link to buy some that are different. I think I'll do that. Not too sure about the Surcrose and Dextrose on this diet. But after eating a slice of cake today (just couldn't help myself -- it was all around me during easter dinner), I guess popping a couple couldn't do any more harm. LOL |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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BalkCal and Anyar, what are the enzymes tablets suppose to do? What brand at GNC or do you just get there brand? If so do I need to know anything when I get there? Have either of you read anything on these? I am just hesitant to ingest anything. I am really kind of a big baby on that issue, I think I've just heard so many horror stories they have scared me off a little. Hiker |
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jcjon22 New Member
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HIKER, the enzymes that we talk about are a natural sourse from papayas. the whole enzyme thing in general came up because the body can sometimes have a little trouble breaking down protein when you are on a high protein eating plan. i was experiencing some constipation and did not want to use laxatives. i have to say im a little funny about takin stuff too because it seems like once you start getting into supplements , it never ends.if you are not having the constipation issue then you dont have to be concerned about the enzymes as thats their only job (that im aware of) .but all in all they aid in the digestion of low carb, high protein foods. you just pop one (mine are chewable) after each meal. since im eating 4 meals a day i only pop one after one or two meals...depending when i remember!! Last edited on 24 March 2008 04:29 pm by jcjon22 |
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blackcal Senior Member
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Hiker wrote: BalkCal and Anyar, what are the enzymes tablets suppose to do? What brand at GNC or do you just get there brand? If so do I need to know anything when I get there? Have either of you read anything on these? I am just hesitant to ingest anything. I am really kind of a big baby on that issue, I think I've just heard so many horror stories they have scared me off a little. Hi Hiker, I don't know that much about digestive enzymes. I do know that any kind of an enzyme is supposed to stimulate some process; with digestive enzymes, they help facilitate digestion. There are a lot of different digestive enzymes. Pineapple contains a lot of bromelain, which is a certain type of digestive enzyme. Some process fat, others carbohydrates, and still others, protein. I don't want to do any advertising, but the digestive enzymes I got recently was GNC Brand Multi-Enzyme Formula. I picked this one because it has a lot of different enzymes and I only have to take two capsules a day with it. Some enzymes have to be taken with every meal; I avoided those. I've been taking them for a few days now. It's too early to tell if I have lost anything with them, but they don't appear to be doing any harm. Actually, right now I feel great, for whatever reason. Hope this helps a little. Blackcal |
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blackcal Senior Member
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Anyar wrote:
Anyar, It's really great that you don't get that hungry. That must really help. Sometimes I do get hungry, but I think I'm still learning portion control - what I should eat versus what I would really like to pile on the plate. I have to ask, what is it exactly that you are using for coffee creamer, and how much of it do you use? Whatever it is that you are doing, it seems to be working. Blackcal |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Well, today I have restarted Day #8 of Beyond Calories because I was pretty bad yesterday during Easter dinner. I did work out today. Spent 55 minutes on the treadmill and did some weight lifting. So I hope that makes up for the cake, dressing, macaroni & cheese, and coffee with Hazelnut flavoring that I had yesterday. As I previously mentioned, I don't feel as if I'm losing weight. However, I am definitely losing inches. Blackcal: I use either Carnation "Low-fat" or "Fat-Free" creamer. Cream in my coffee is my biggest downfall. Love lots of cream and sugar. But I got off the sugar (because of the diet) and started using the artificial sweetner, Equal. Also, did taking the enzymes seem to help your food digest better? Haven't started taking them, but they were highly recommended. Hiker: I think jcjon22 and blackcal did a good job of explaining this "enzyme" thing. I know little about taking enzymes. I first heard about this in an early post in this thread where it helped someone to digest their food much better. Even seemed to help contribute to the weight loss. I'm gonna buy some -- just haven't gotten around to it. I currently have some Papaya that I bought last year, but as I mentioned before they are extremely sweet and don't think they will be good on this diet. These links were provided to me:
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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The Challenge is On!! Under the "General Discussion" thread, we talked about starting a new thread called "Meet our FL4I Members". I challenge everyone to post your pic and tell a little story about yourself (your interests, your goals, your kids, etc.). I suggest, for privacy reasons, that you do not post your name and/or email address on the thread to avoid email spam. Hope you come introduce yourself. |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Anyar, just wanted to mention, if you're a sugar lover you might want to try Splenda  . It really is much better tasting and most things I've read about say it is safe. One of the best things is it measures like sugar so it works in recipes, not that I ever cook but still...if I ever did it would work .Hiker |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hey, Hiker: Actually, I used to use Splenda until my cousin, who works for a well known pharmaceutical company told me not to. Apparently, they discovered some things about Splenda. Having had cancer once, I decided to stop using it but I do like it much better than Equal. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Will, I think many of us misbehaved a little during Easter. Just hang in there and stick with it. You'll be okay!! |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Anyar wrote: Hey, Hiker: Anyar, Oh boy, it's always something itsn't it. Just goes to show we really should eat foods in thier more natural state. I |
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blackcal Senior Member
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Anyar wrote: Also, did taking the enzymes seem to help your food digest better? Haven't started taking them, but they were highly recommended. Anyar, I can't tell if they are doing anything yet. I've been taking them for less than a week. I'll know more in a few days, and I'll let you know. Blackcal. |
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Will68 New Member
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Thanks Rayna I afraid I didn't stick to plan but did try my utmost. I posted the whole story in the general forum so i won't repeat here. Here is what ate yesterday doing the BC for part of the day. Meal#1 - 7.30am/ mango and strawberries. Meal#2 - 9.45am/ macadamia and cashews. Meal#3 - 12pm/ apple and strawberries. Meal#4 - 4pm/ turkey slices and cheese slices Lots of water not sure how much though. Well this is where it ends after this my day went further downhill then it already was....so I won't mention what esle I ate but it wasn't BC friendly. Hope to refocus soon but I don't think it will be this week. Sometimes I get so frustrated with everything and wonder why is it so #%@&! hard to lose and keep this weight off. Well enough tonight i've just got back from soccer training with my ys and he still has homework to finish, but I just needed to touch base with everyone. Night 1 without my os .Will68 |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Will...completely understandable....having to rush around and then sending an unwell son to camp...that would be a hard day to get through! You'll be ok and be able to regroup soon. You have been doing really well until the holidays, kids home, goodies all around and an upended schedule threw off your rhythm...you'll find your rhythm again and be glad to get back to the plan when you are ready. Sometimes the emotions and mind have to catch up before the body wants to cooperate. You'll get there. Just get going again when you can...we are all here for you! I personally had a tough weekend...I was iffy yesterday... but feel strong again today...so I can truly understand...that some days are fairly easy and others are harder than expected...and some days we just lose our grip temporarily. SS |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Day 10 of Beyond Calories!! Well, today is Day 10. Got on the scale this morning and to my dismay only lost about 3lbs. (15 lbs total). Then I thought to myself, after posting a reply to another FL4I member about the use of condiments and seasonings, that I've been subconsciously using all types while on Beyond Calories. Knowing that BC is really much more restrictive than DG, I've been using hot sauce salt, pepper, onion/garlic powder, cajun seasonings, etc. Guess it's that Creaole/Cajun in me that forces me to do it! So, I've decided not to take any cheat days -- rather just keep going until I hit my weight loss goal. I really do want some ice cream, though, but I'm gonna keep at it! Won't let the 3 lb loss persuade me from achieving my goal. |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Hi Anyar, I am on day 10 also but I am not weighing myself until tomorrow morning. I have already decided to stay on it through Friday and then take 2 days of (being cautious I hope) and then get back on for another 10. I feel like I have lost but who knows. I like this a lot better than DG so I am going to stick with it unless...I HAVE GAINED oh my god, if that happens I will be upset . Well I'd better go out for my walk so I may be sorry. I have been so good about not weighing myself until I complete the cycle it has been torture for me but I am almost there. I may be up at 3am to weigh myself but as long as it's after 12 pm I made it. This may be the longest I've gone without weighing myself in 20 years!! I'll post tomorrow, good or bad. Oh, yeah, I plan to post on the meet the FL4I site, I just need to get a picture, I usually don't do pictures so it's not easy for me but I am looking at it as a growth step  .Hiker |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Hiker...congrats on letting go of the scale for a whole cycle...you are changing your thinking to match the new shape you will soon have....be sure to check with the inches or too tight clothes as another measurement...not just the numbers on the scale. For being a daily weigher...you have just accomplished a HUGE thing by going this long. It is ok to weigh daily once the scale loses its power over you...and you can be ok with the ups and downs...knowing that it is normal to fluctuate and that what really counts is the way you are eating and excercising each day to reach your goal. SS |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hiker wrote: Hi Anyar, I am on day 10 also but I am not weighing myself until tomorrow morning. I have already decided to stay on it through Friday and then take 2 days of (being cautious I hope) and then get back on for another 10. I feel like I have lost but who knows. I like this a lot better than DG so I am going to stick with it unless...I HAVE GAINED Hiker: You're doing good. I'm also on Day 10. Decided not to take a break, just keep chugging along. Tried the dress on again today. It still zips but still too tight. I'm 3 weeks away from the wedding and starting to panic! Not sure if I should just go on a starvation diet for a week, or just stick this out. Sunshine is right. Although I haven't lost much over 3 weeks, I am able to get into a few clothes I haven't worn in some time. So be sure to use that as a second way of measuring. |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Rayna...are you trying to eat atleast 5 meals...I know it is hard with your schedule...but even if they are super mini meals...it will help you lose. Also raw almonds can speed fatloss and weightloss from what I have been reading. ..and they are an easy mini meal. You will get there!!...how much more room so you think you need...about an inch??? Do you like or eat fish?...it is a very good weightloss protein...I eat canned salmon from walmart with lemon juice and dill weed (I actually eat it cold) ...with Bushes Boston baked beans on the side and usually see a loss the next day. I'm rooting for you!!! You will look sooo good in that red dress with your coloring...just perfect for you!! SS |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Just wanted to let my fellow BC members know, today was the 11th day and I weighed myself this morning and I am down 8 lbs. I did a happy dance right at the scale. I am so pleased I am going to post this on the general thread too. I really am much happier with BC than DG. We're all different but for me this is much easier to live with. I also did cheat a little in that I used full fat salad dressing, I used it sparingly but I did use it. Hiker |
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Will68 New Member
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Thanks so much for your post Sunshine....yes it has been difficult and I have decided to actually write this week off until his home tomorrow afternoon. I have been so tense and anxious and I reluctantly admit that i have been stress eating to compensate for my emotions. I feel a bit silly in away, I started this diary hoping it would refocus me and I promoted it to you all and instead its all gone pear shaped. I will have a quick look around the general forum before I retire. Will68 |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Will68, Don't get discouraged. We all have fallen off and cheated at one point or another. I ended Day 10 yesterday. Could no longer tolerate not having SUGAR so I ate a piece of Easter cake at about 2:00am. As of today, I'm back on Day 1 of Beyond Calories with a few modifications. I'm restricting some of the higher fat content foods, and replacing them with lower fat foods from the 4 food groups. Hang in there with me. WE NEED YOU!! Last edited on 27 March 2008 06:22 pm by Anyar |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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WOW...Hiker...I am jumping up and down with you! That is amazing...you have found a great plan that works for YOU! What an inspiration...that is really a BIG LOSS for one cycle. Congrats SS |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Howdy folks: Sorry I haven't replied sooner but went on a late interview today. Anyway, started Day #1 of BC. Now into my 4th cycle. Been going good so far. Sunshine: Fish is my absolute favorite. That's typically what I eat on the diet, and I love nuts (almonds, macadamia -- you name it!). Got on the scale again today (even after eating that piece of cake at 2:00am) and I was down two more pounds as of 9:00am this morning. Weighed myself again this evening, that 2 pounds is NOW BACK!! Where did it go, and how did it get back? LOL Am I grabbing and losing pounds through some strange form of osmosis? If I can just drop 5-10 more pounds, I will be able to breathe in that dress. I'm keeping the faith! Pounds, Pounds go away, come again some other day!! Hiker: Would you like two of my pounds? That will only give you a 6lb loss, but that would still be good!! What do ya think? |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Anyar, thanks for the offer but I think I'll pass, I am sure I can find 2 lbs all on my own. Hiker |
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Will68 New Member
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Thanks Rayna This forum is so encouraging. My son is home this afternoon . We will take him out for his favourite meal tonight and then hopefully I can get back into swing again of dieting.Rayna yes we fall off the wagon but the important thing is we get back on. Well done on your 10 day completion....and deprivation is not the way to go with diets so in away doing the fl4i and bc is good because you do have those allocated days to eat whatever we want in modertion of course.....it gives us something to look forward too. Thanks again Will68 |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Anyar...we all weigh afew pounds heavier each evening ...that is normal....those 2 pounds lost should show up again if you weigh when you wake up! Congrats on two pounds closer to breathing in that gorgeous red dress. NO MORE  girlfriend!! I hope your interview went great! They'd be lucky to get you. SS |
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Will68 New Member
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Just a quick update to say my boy is home. Need I say more. We are meeting up with some other friends who went on camp for a fish and chip dinner my sons favourite. He is so tired but he also has his first soccer game tomorrow . Poor little thing he doesn't want to go but his dad said it is all part of life and has too.Time to go and get ready. Cheers for now. Will68 |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hey, Will: Just checking in to see how things are going. I'm so glad your baby is back home. Sounds like that trip really wore him out!! But, dad is right. He needs to get back into the mainstream of things. Let us know how it's going. I'm still hanging in there!! |
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Will68 New Member
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Hi Rayna How are you ? I have read through the general forum this morning and it is so busy with new members and lots of activity. Somebody must be spreading the word out there....maybe it's Lar...lol.Yes my son is home and he did play soccer. We were all so tired yesterday and today I have been trying to catch up with washing and cleaning etc. No rest for the wicked so the saying goes.How are you going with the BC? any losses recorded and how much time have you got till the wedding. I have looked through the new thread....and I am pyching myself up to post a picture  that is the bit that is off putting to me at the moment. I don't mind talking about myself its the photo thing....I know its silly and so many of you have done it, considering I am on the other side of the world and all.....I just need time.I am also pysching myself to get with the program BC that is. We have School holidays in a week and the kids and I will be out and about alot....you know the story.I know I sound like I am making excuses...but once you come off that wagon it can be bloody hard to get back on. I am allowed to say this????? too late now.Thanks for checking in on me I do appreciate it. Will68 |
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Rainbow Member
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Hi Will It is so difficult when you have young children. On the one hand you are so busy seems like you can move around enough to loose weight...then other side of that is, you are stressed, over tired, and on the go. It is hard to plan meals and eat the right food when you are under all of that stress. I have four others in my house that all eat differently than I do and it gets really difficult. Two important things I have learned for myself over the years. I medicate with food when I am tired or stressed out and sometimes I dont eat at all, both not good for loosing weight. Times I have to just ask myself..okay am I wanting this because I am tired or wanting it to feel better, than ask myself..is it going to change my stress right now and for me... it just causes more stress because then I am angry at me. One thing I started doing a few years back when I am in diet mode is to keep a small cooler in my car for water ( because I hate water and have to remember to drink enough) and keep a few snacks stuffed in my purse or cooler that I know I am able to eat if I am tied up somewhere. The one thing that helps me also, when I am feeding everyone else, pizza, hamburgers fries, is to think about how healthy I am eating, the weight I am loosing, and how much better I will feel. Now that does not work all days, but sometimes it helps. To get you back on track maybe figure out when is a good time or week for you to start back...is it when the kids are back in school, or out for the year? We all eat emotionally otherwise we would not be on here..just have to find your motivator. Sometimes I just have to make small goals, like okay...if I can get through just this week I will stop, if I am not feeling better and or loosing. Then...if I can just make it through the 10 or 11 day cycle, I weigh and see what happens. I have a closet full of clothes right now I cant wear...that is helping motivate me right now  I have thought about the BC but it seems for me right now too much food and choices to think about. That maybe overwhelming you right now with having little ones. I do tire of the DG but for me right now, it is easier, not much to think about. I am pulling for you, sorry this is so long  Looking forward to seeing your picture. Its great to have faces with all of our posts. I did not want to put my pic up either, so I put my kiddos up with me. rainbow Last edited on 30 March 2008 11:33 pm by Rainbow |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Will68: I truly understand about the picture. The most anyone can do is cut your head off and stick it on someone else's body!! For me, that might not be a bad idea! I would think that the BC diet would be much easier since you have children, because it allows for more choices than DG. After all, those days you don't feel like cooking, pull out a can of Baked Beans and feed the kids. The good thing, you can eat them too. My BC diet is going okay. Not as promising as I originally hoped. Seems like I lost the most weight using the DG. I've lost about 18 lbs but it seems to fluctuate daily -- guess it's that hormonal thing we were talking about. The dress zips, just still a little tight. Not sure why I'm not losing faster. I exercise daily, almost to the point of passing out. I'm hoping I wake up one morning next week, and I'll be down 10 more pounds. I'm thinking about switching back to DG next week to see what happens. Rainbow: That exercise smiley is just too cute. I need that on my laptop just as a daily reminder. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Well, I wanted to provide everyone with an update on my BC diet. Today, I am into Day #3 of BC, and my 4th cycle. Since joining FL4I late February, I have lost a total of 18 lbs. Seems that the most weight loss occurred while using the Diet Generator. Got exactly 19 days before the wedding. The dress still zips, but still a little tight. I'm exercising daily (walking, weights, aerobics). Just not sure why the weight isn't dropping off faster. But, I'm still hopeful that I'll wake up one day next week and will be 10 pounds lighter. Since my most weight loss occurred using DG, I think this will be my last week on BC. So starting 4/6, I'm switching back to the DG diet. Wish me luck, folks!! |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Anyar...18 pounds is actually awesome!!! Shaking up your metabolism with DG might be just the right thing with the wedding looming ahead. It seems when we switch things up alittle it gets things moving again. I'm proud of you bundling up and getting out to walk in the cold.....that ought to burn extra calories! brrrrrrrrr SS |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Boy, eating 6 times a day on BC is really hard for me. Today was my second day of BC and neither day have I hit eating 6 times. I was comfortable at 4 and 5 is doable if I really try, but 6  . Sunshine - I added a few recipes to the recipe section. Most of them are only going to fit BC or days off. Autumn |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Autumn0909 wrote: Boy, eating 6 times a day on BC is really hard for me. Today was my second day of BC Autumn: 6 meals/day was a tough one for me. This is my 3rd Cycle on BC. I have yet to eat 6 meals. The max for me is 5 and only if I get up early in the morning. The BC rule book does say, "You should eat 4-6 meals per day (more than 3 meals is best)". So, if you don't get 6 meals in, you'll be okay. Just be sure to space them at least two hours apart. Good luck. |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Anyar - I would feel much more comfortable going back to 4 with an occasional 5th if I needed it. I am glad you told me that, I guess I didn't read it very well or I just saw 6 and assumed you had to eat all 6 meals. Now I can cut some of the fruit out, it is way too much for me. |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Just realized, there really is not that much fruit on BC, just the first day. I only made my schedule up for a few days so did not notice it. That makes me a happy camper |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Autumn0909 wrote: Just realized, there really is not that much fruit on BC, just the first day. I only made my schedule up for a few days so did not notice it. That makes me a happy camper You can eat fruit everyday, except on Day 7 and Day 8. Whenever it shows Group #1 that's all fruit. When it shows Group #4, that also includes fruit. I actually created an Excel spreadsheet that lays out the meal plans, and allows you to track water intake that I've shared with many on the site. If interested, send me a private message and I'll send it to you. Last edited on 1 April 2008 01:34 am by Anyar |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Autumn, is the problem you are having getting in 6 meals a matter of fitting them into your schedule or just eating that often? If it's eating that often maybe you could make your "meals" a little smaller? I get the 6 in but some meals are just a handful of grape tomatoes, just something to keep the body burning calories...I hope. In any case as long as you can get in 4 you should be fine. Anyar, I'll miss you while you are doing the DG but check back here because....we need your help! Hiker |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Hiker - my problem is eating that often. I thought I was doing good on DG getting the 4 meals in and believe me I ate very small meals with that. In fact, when it showed 2 items I only did 1. On DG I did about every 3 hours and was comfortable with that. I used to eat only 2 meals and maybe a small snack somewhere so managing the 4 was a big thing for me. Im sure once in a while I can get in 5 which would be the 5th one in the wee hours of the morning since I am usually up until 3 or so working. I am not a water drinker so I think that may be part of the problem. I am drinking much more water and crystal light and cant get the appetite to eat. |
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newmum New Member
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anyone know how to buy the Bc program as I didnt do the add on with the Diest generator as I was skeptical, now I wish I had. Do I have to buy the whole program again?????? |
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starley New Member
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I'm in the same boat as you were here.... on my 5th day of beyond calories... this is my first time doing it, i have not lost a pound.... I'm drinking as much water as i can, which is close to if not more than 3L a day (that is hard... i feel like i have my water bottle attached to my hand all day! lol) and to boot i'm not cheating! I jsut found out about fat loss 4 idiots, thought i would try the beyond calorie one and now i'm thinking maybe i should have started with the diet generator.... any suggestions? when did you start to loose weight? which one is better? this place is awsome hope i can get the support needed to loose the 10 lbs i've gained though the winter in time for May 30 2008 (MY WEDDING!!!!!) Starley |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Newmum: Send me a private message and I explain to you about Beyond Calories. Starley: Actually, you should have started with the DG because it disciplines you to eat 4 meals/day, which most of us are not accustomed to eating. When jumping directly into BC, your body is switching from normal eating habits directly into eating 6 meals/day. Personally, this didn't work to well with me. Also, you will find that you will not lose weight if you don't reduce the amount per meal. That's very important. Determine half of what you would normally eat, then reduce it by half. Now, there may be some people that differ in this opinion and went directly to BC. Unfortunately, I can't testify to their weight loss success. Personally, I have lost most of my weight using DG. Good luck. |
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Hi Will...how's it going for you? Is life settling down a bit? I read from your posts that life has been a bit of a whirlwind at your home lately...hope you have been able to get a little rest. Hope to "see" you soon. SS |
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Starley, although I am a huge fan of the BC diet compared to the DG one I would agree with Anyar. It might be best to do a full cycle of DG then if you're still interested in switching over you might want to try it. I did the DG for 2.5 cycles and lost about 7 lbs, then I did a cycle of BC and lost 8 lbs in one cycle. For me the BC is working better and I like the food choices a lot better but we are all different. I know for some the 6 meals is just not doable but for me it is a life saver. That being said the "meals" at least 5 of them are very small and usually I only have one choice except at the 6th meal when I try to have protein and vegetables. Anyway if this doesn't seem to be working it wouldn't hurt to switch to DG and see if that is better for you. Hiker |
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Will68 New Member
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Thanks Rainbow, Raynar and Sunshine I am still not ready to jump on that bandwagon that I am always preaching about. It is actually my 40th birthday on Friday and one of my goals was to lose and reach my ideal weight range for this, so I am a little disappointed that I was unable to do this. But I have decided not to stress.....I know I will lose it and like I said I have lost the majority of my weight it was just battling with those last lbs. Anyway today I had my hair done cut, styled and coloured...greys gone for awhile so i am feeling pretty good about myself. My mantra should be "think positive" and " don't stress". Thanks again ladies, like I've said before I appreciate your support immensley. Happy April Fools Day it's my older brothers Birthday today, I've always felt sorry for him being born on this day.Cheers Will68 |
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Will68, You have done a great job, wont take long to shed those few pounds. I love to get my hair done, just makes you feel better. I am still in my experiment phase. No more highlights, all natural...to see how much gray I have..not sure how long this will last. SS looks great with hers, mine is going to be salt/pepper I think. keep in touch |
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starley New Member
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thank you both... i think i'll switch over and give that a try... the 6 meals is hard to squeeze in, i'm a mother of a 5 year old and i'm a full time student! i'll give it a shot... any last suggestions or comments? i'll start my first day tomorrow and let you know how it goes... wish me luck!!!! (i really need it! lol) the wedding is comming up so fast, already bouught my dress but that was 10 pounds ago haha thanks again for the insight |
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Audree New Member
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Today is my first day of doing Beyond Calories. Here is my menu for the day: Bfast: Pineapple & Grapes AM Snack: Hard boiled Egg & Peanuts Lunch: Ham slices & swiss cheese PM Snack: Pineapple & Grapes Dinner: Lettuce, tomato, cucumber & tuna salad Dessert: Apple & Prunes |
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Audree New Member
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Hi, I just started Beyond Calories today. I was curious if you went through the entire 10 days and how much weight you lost. I was planning on following Beyond Calories today-thursday, have a 3 day cheat period friday-sunday and doing the 11 day Fat Loss For Idiots program starting Monday. |
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apartian New Member
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I lost 9 lbs in the 11 days. |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Dira, Apartian and Audree, there is a thread already started for those of us on the BC you might want to check it out for some details it was started by Anyar and is pretty active. I have done both the DG and the BC and I have much better results with BC. I lost 8 lbs on the first cycle. On DG I only lost 7 lbs on 2 1/2 cycles. Some people find one better than the other, it is really just a matter of which one suits your needs best, for me it's hands down BC. Hiker |
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katie1979 New Member
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Hello everyone.....I have just started BC yesterday and I love the program so far, I worl 12 hr shifts so its no problem for me to eat 6 meals a day. But I had a MAJOR ooops today when I got home from work and my husband was home and it was time for dinner. We have not seen one another for a few days and it was nice to have a meal together and talk about the day. All I had was barbeque chicken with a baked potatoe which I know is not that bad, but now I will have to start all over again tomorrow. I'm just glad that I am only on day 2, I am just really mad at myself for giving in, I was doing so well yesterday an today eating all my meals at the right times and feeling great after because I was not at all hungry. And for once today I turned own chocolate covered popcorn from a co-worker and I was sooooo proud of myself. Now I am scared I wont be able to do this, I soooo desperatly want to shed 30lbs...do you think this program is right for me or should I try the regular plan?? Help from Canada |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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Katie, not to worry about a baked potato, I wouldn't even give it a second thought, after all it was a celebratory potato, not just any potato. Honestly I would just continue on with the program. Why are you worried you can't do it....you are doing it. Turned down chocolate covered popcorn....way to go! If you sticking with the program and have a little slip, like the potato I say just go on, we all slip and we get up and keep going, you're doing great!  Hiker |
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newmum New Member
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I agree, the occasional oops happens to us all :) and that nighttime meal is the hardest, I find preparing a meal for my toddler really hard as Im so used to tasting it or having a bite of her leftovers- but still managed to loose on this program ( and Im a big skeptic of these things). If its any help I found the first 3-4 days hard then after that it was actually pretty easy, in fact I got to the days off and didn't actually want to take them as my body ahd adjusted to this way of eating so hang in there. |
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Autumn0909 New Member
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Hi everyone, here is my take between DG and BC. I did DG the first cycle and lost a little over 5 pounds. On the 3 days off I lost 1.2 pounds. I am doing my second cycle on BC and at the end of day 4. DG - I think if you want to lose weight fast or have a lot of weight to lose, this is the way to go first and maybe all the way through until you hit close to where you want to be. Because you only usually have 1 food at a time (at least that is how I ate most of it) you will only eat so much of it and you will definitely stop. You dont have to think about what to eat, it is there for you. No guessing and a little bit easier not to stray from as when you are picking your own food and adding things that maybe should not be in it. If you stick with it, you can lose inches fast so you can then see the progress you are making (not the scale but actual inches so your clothes feel better.)  BC - To me this should almost be used as a maintenance program once you hit your goal or are close. Because you are eating more than 1 food at a sitting, it can be very easy to eat too much. Eating 6 times for me is too much. I think if you had a lot of weight to lose, at first you might do okay with this but if you did not learn how to tell when you are full, it could be deceiving. I think this program would be good after DG so that you can start adding foods into your daily diet and see what works and how much you can actually eat without gaining any weight and to be comfortable. This would then be a teaching tool for a WOE.I also think maybe alternating between DG and BC may work just to break up the boredom, 1-2 DG then 1 BC then DG and so on. Again, I guess it comes down to how much weight you really have to lose or how much of a hurry you are in to lose it. For me, I have not stepped on the scale this cycle yet. I do not feel that I have gained anything, but not sure if I lost anything either, but Thursday morning I will step on it to see cause I think I am going to back on DG to lose my last 5 pounds. I am just going to add 1 serving of veggies at my dinner. I did not change anything the first time around, stuck to it like glue, but missed my veggies so I will just add 1 serving. As long as there is no sugar in them, they should not be a problem. So that is my take on these programs.  |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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HI all, I posted this on the general site but thought it should go here too. I just wanted to add to Autumns post, I think the difference between the two is really a matter of what works for you. My experience has been the complete opposite of Autumn's, I am losing more and faster on BC than I did on DG. I just couldn't deal with the food combos on DG and eating just one food was not pleasant for me at all. That being said I eat one food for most of my meals but I really enjoy having protein and vegetables at supper. I am pretty good at getting in the 6 meas a day, my daily calorie intake is usually right around 1,000., so obviously those meals are small. Again,as Autumn suggested, I think it's a good idea to try them both and see what works for you. They both have there pros and cons. Hiker |
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Will68 New Member
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Well it is coming to the end of my 40th Birthday....hubby is taking me out. You will never guess what I have a chosenfor my dinner outing???? He wanted to take me to a swanky dress up place but I have opted for a Burger place (Gourmet I should state) and the movies. I am not in the mood for getting too dressed up and this fornight has been so full on with School and outside School activites and I am just exhausted. I have got some lovely and unexpected gifts...but I got teary reading the cards it is so nice to be thought of in such a positive. My youngest son is wanting to know where the birthday cake is? Tomorrow I said we will do the family thing with a bbq and cake.I went for lunch with some friends yesterday and actually walked away from there feeling quiet ill and so did my friend which I only found out today though. And today I was feeling a bit better got shouted breakfast and afternoon tea today but nothing too large I stuck to small portions due to feeling still a bit queasy from yesterdays lunch. Rainbow you look lovely the way you are. We are our own worst enemies when it comes to looks...aren't we? I have to admit I am pretty slack with my hair I wear it longish and pull it up and throw a cap on. Today I wore it down and i got a few surprised looks in a good way though...I hope.So I am into a new decade of my life it goes so fast doesn't it? So I had better make the most of it, because before I know it I will be 50...Lol.Enjoy the weekend all. Our Schools are closed now for a weeks break and I am so looking forward to it and hopefully getting refocused to lose. We are getting a kitten to add to our family unit next week so i will probably be busy with this. Cheers Will68 |
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losingwt Distinguished Member 
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Happy Birthday, Will68!, You will lose those last few pounds--presents often arrive late in the mail . I had to write, b/c I turned 40 last June and had the same mindset as you, that I needed to start 40 with a new and improved me.However...as you might guess, the new and improved me did not really spring into action until the end of January this year, so...with any luck by 41, the first week of June this year, I'll be the "hot mama" of my dreams You are WAY ahead of that curve! Have fun with the kitty  !Again, happy birthday! P.S. Hope you had a great birthday dinner; a gourmet burger sounds like an excellent choice Last edited on 4 April 2008 11:32 am by losingwt |
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Happiest of birthdays Will!!!  Happy bd to youI always love turning a new decade....when people ask you how old you are just say"I'm in my forties" ...they will say "You look so young for forty!"....doesn't work as well when you hit 49...but then you get to look young for your fifties.... again!! Have fun with All the best in this new year and decade of your life! SS |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Will68: D I D I H E A R T H E W O R D C A K E????? (Okay! Back off Sunshine!! LOL) OMG, Will! You're just a baby!! I used to hate it when people said that to me, now at 50 I wish they would! LOL Happy birthday! I hope you and your hubby have a wonderful time out. Those gourmet hamburgers sound absolutely scrumptious. Rainbow: What is this about your looks? You're gorgeous, and you have some gorgeous kids to prove it! |
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Will68 New Member
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Thank you eveyone!!!!!!!!! I have had a very indulgent 40th filled with lots of happiness, so unlike my 30th which I spent on my own and hubby was working overseas. I am so much more postitive about my 40's and I feel good about myself. For my Birthday dinner I had a yummy burger and some fries and then hubby took me own a scenic walk and I had heels on. But do you know what the best part of my birthday was? coming home and going to bed. I hope I am not sounding too old already.Thanks again everyone, you are all very special .Will68 |
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Happy belated Birthday Will...I think its late. I am out of the loop.  Funny, I did great at 40 and turned to a crying baby at 41. Weird, I am headed for fifty now...doesnt seem so bad Sounds like you had a great time, so glad for you. Thanks for the compliments all, thanks Will for letting me share your spotlight  Last edited on 6 April 2008 07:59 am by Rainbow |
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Will68 New Member
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Thanks Rainbow. Maybe your turning 40 only became a realisation to you when you turned 41 and maybe those dreaded menopausal happenings were occurring unbeknownst to you aswell. My sister is nearly 50 and it feels like she's been going through the change forever. Well once again thanks for your good wishes and support. Its funny you all come and check on me even though I am not following any type of diet at the moment......I feel a bit of a fraud . But you are all so nice I can't tear myself away from this forum....it's like a drug.I know I will need to pull my head in again soon and get back into losing mode. I fear I have left it too long though.I had better get moving...I have been in and out all day with the kids and today my os broke a vase with his soccer ball ....I was that upset and angry i had steam coming out my head and i am sure the whole nieghbourhood heard my yelling. I was upset with them prior due to misbehaving when out and then to top it all off this happens. Talk about repetition with parenting he had only been told a million times not to play with the ball in the house, but for some reason they choose to not listen until something like this happens.take care everyone. Will68 |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hey, Will: Just checking in to see how things are going. I know that you're not following any diet right now, but I sure hope you stay on with us. Maybe we can get you motivated to start back up. It's especially hard when you have children. I also understand about kids breaking things. I think that's why I never wanted kids. I keep an immaculate home, and had an interior decorator come in last year. My daughter thinks I'm crazy, but neither her or her friends are allowed in my living room, or on my couch because I paid entirely too much for it. Their place is the basement or in her bedroom. She's also required to take "shoes off at the door". Am I a mean Mommy or what? |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hi, Beatlesrule: Welcome to the site. The rules say to eat until your satisfied but don't stuff yourself. So this means about 1/2 to 3/4 of what you would normally eat. One reason that you feel full is because you're eating high satiety foods. I, too, experienced the same problem where I just didn't want to eat at all. Then when the next meal came around, I was still somewhat full. You can also try spacing your meals a little farther apart if need be. May I ask which FL4I diet your using? There are actually three. The 10-Rule diet, the Diet Generator and Beyond Calories. Also, if you want a lot of help and to get to know many FL4I members, drop a post in the "FL4I - General Discussion" thread (the 1st one listed). Introduce yourself, and you'll meet many wonderful people willing to help out and answer your questions. It's also pretty entertaining with lots of smileys. Last edited on 10 April 2008 02:34 am by Anyar |
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losingwt Distinguished Member
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Hello Will, I feel your pain with the inside ball playing! On Christmas eve just past, my sons and their cousins broke a lamp play soccer inside , but it was Christmas...I couldn't yell as much as I would've liked. Lucky for them!Rayna, you aren't a mean mommy...my kids are very well trained to take their shoes off right away...or then again, maybe we're both mean mommies !Anyway, Will, when you're ready and/or need to diet, you will! Take care! |
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Will68 New Member
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Hey Losingwt, Rayna, SS, Rainbow and everyone who make time for my diary. Rayna received your PM's . The boys holidays are coming to a close they go back to School Tuesday..they have a pupil free day on Monday where only the teachers go back. And I am off to my sisters tonight for a girls weekend sans boys (well my boys) she has a 20yo and he works and does he own thing. So we will be shopping at the Gold Coast (have you heard of this place) it is a tourist destination in the state of Queensland. It's about a 50 minute drive from where I live but my sister lives in the hinterlands about 15 minutes from the Coast...it is gorgeous and very cold at the moment. We are entering winter soon and the weather has been unusually cool at this time of year. With regards to getting back onto the DG and BC I have to admit I am getting abit disheartened with it all. I find alot of contradictions with what some are doing and saying and I am feeling out of my depth a bit. When I did the BC last year I lost over the 2 cycles and then it slowed and I lost the plot and then I went back on it this year after the xmas holiday where I had gained 5kg (11lbs) and I managed to lose this doing 2 cycles again but then it got slower and slower and then I tried the DG and I couldn't even make it through the half way mark. Now my other admission is that I have actually been reading through the general forum here and have been researching other dietry programs and CpH actually advocates certain diets and reviews them in their Products link and Nir and Peter have been great in advising me on certain issues that i have been struggling with....basically I find I am always on a diet struggling to lose and then whether for hormonal reasons or stress I fall off the wagon and then I gain then I lose and the cycle is a vicious one...and it becomes a never ending treadwheel ride. I turned 40 a week ago today and i am tired of going down this same path time after time, I feel tired and I am not eating well at all, I am also not exercising and this all combined makes for a very grumpy and unhappy person. So at the moment I am checking out another plan and I hope it will be one that I can see through and hopefully "maintain" at the end which is always the hardest part for me. Dieting as we all know is very individual and what works for one person doesn't neccessarily work for another, so we basically have to follow the path we think is right for us. For me I get lazy once i have finished with something and then I need to be stimulated by something different and i am hoping this will eventaully bring me to something that I know works for me and i can sustain for life.I hope you all don't mind me hanging around here though.....I really enjoy your company and that is the main reason I have stuck around and also I get a buzz that I have internet buddies from the other side of the Globe. Will68 |
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Hey I was a regular postie several months back when I was on the diet generator but I couldnt even survive the first cycle! how bad is that.....I was on the vegetarian plan and just found the foods way to repetative and boring eating hardboiled eggs and beans everyday became tirsome! The funny thing is I know the diet worked I lost like 6 lbs during the time I was on it but I hate not having a choice of food and I get bored easily just eating the same thing so I am a failure in that regard. Ever since my weight has not budge (in the downward direction) and I am getting really frustration I have tried sweating it out at the gym but the foods I eat just allow me to maintain I really want to try the BC plan as I think it could fit into my life much easier and I like to be in control. Do you guys know if I can purchase the plan serperatly without having to buy the 'package' I dont really want to buy th DG again! Thanks x |
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Will68 New Member
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Hi FFG I checked out the FL4I web and it has 2 packages and package 2 comes with the BC the DG and diet book. They are not sold seperately, I think they used to be though from what I have read on this forum. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. I prefer the BC to the DG but it very individual as you can tell if you read through the forum. You could also ask in the main forum somebody might know something different or try ebay. Take care Will68 |
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Hi Will...by all means...hang out with us...who knows..you may rejoin us again when you are bored!! Perhaps you will pick up some new diet tips you can share with us. Good success to you Will! SS Ps We are just welcoming Springtime...the daffoldils and tulips and fruit trees are blooming...on our side of the globe. |
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Hiker Distinguished Member
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I haven't been on this board for awhile so I thought I'd check in. I am starting my 4th cycle of BC and I still prefer it to DG. I am not having huge weight losses, I am averaging about 2 lbs a week on BC but I find the food choices so much better that at least so far I think this is the better plan for me. I can live on this one where I really couldn't on DG but again, we are all different. Is there anyone else out there on BC?  Hiker |
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Will68 New Member
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Thanks Sunshine I really like this forum and the postitvity here is addictive, so I will be hanging around here for awhile. I am currently battling the flu and I was taking up a weightloss challenge through my other forum but I have had to let that go to the way side for the time being. Frustrating to say the least. By the way I will be going back on the BC but I was going to do the challenge first and when I platued I was turning to the DG or BC. So that is my exciting update .Will68 |
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Will68 New Member
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Off to the Doctors this morning I was up most of last night with this cough and joint pain etc. I also feel nausated and I am craving orange juice. Thats my winge for the day. Cheers for now. Will68 |
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Ro New Member
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Hi Hiker Glad to see someone is still here! I introduced myself on the FL4I general discussion board yesterday, and I did three days of that 11 day DG program, but I can't do it anymore, eating 4 times a day doesn't work for me, I was already used to eating 6 times - I'm still breastfeeding (I know, it's a little risky to diet while you're nursing but he gets most of his food from solids now as he's 16 months old, he really only nurses for a minute or two here and there) but anyway, I got very used to eating small meals often throughout the day to keep my energy up when he nursed exclusively. Plus, I REALLY like how many more veggies I can eat on BC! Is it still working well for you? Ro |
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picopooki New Member
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Hi All My first day of beyond calories today. I am using this instead of DG as I have lots of allergies and intolerances and this diet gives me more control. I hope you all don't mid but I want post what I eat each day to help me be accountable!! Once I am in the swing of it I am sure I will be fine. I weighed in today at 140lbs 33.5%body fat. I am measuring my body fat because I want to ensure that the weight loss is fat and not lean tissue. Obviously some will be water. Here is todays meals 8am Meal1: Pineapple and apple 10am Meal2: baked beans and goats cheese (grated on - yummy, comfort food!) 12pm Meal 3: Chicken and apple 2pm Meal4: blueberries grapes 4pm Meal5 : pepper,cucumber , tomatoes and smoked salmon 6pm Meal 6: blueberries grapes See you tomorrow Clairey |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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picopooki wrote: Hi All Hi, Clairey: Glad you're jumping aboard the FL4I train!! Since you've decided to use the FL4I Beyond Calories, just make sure you eat a minimum of 4 meals per day, but preferably six. Also, make sure you you eat only until you feel satisfied at each meal, or you will find yourself being full when the next meal comes around. Now, as far as posting your daily journal, I would highly recommend that you not do so using the FL4I threads. You can easily create a daily journal on our site by going to http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/forum31/. Hope this helps you out. |
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Gramma New Member 
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Greetings! I'm thinking of joining FL4I and I've enjoyed reading through your forum. I'd love to participate. My question is: when I went to purchase the program, I see there is an option to buy Package #2 which includes something called "Add-on Beyond Calories." I haven't seen this mentioned here and was wondering if it's worthwhile. Any feedback would be appreciated - Thanks |
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Nir Senior Administrator
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I am surprised you didn't see the topics about it listed under Fat Loss 4 Idiots (FL4I) in particular FL4I - Diet Guidelines (INFORMATIONAL ONLY) Last edited on 6 May 2008 03:20 pm by Nir |
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Gramma New Member
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Nir, I finally found the main page and got all the information I needed. I wasn't navigating my way around the site thoroughly. Thanks for the response, though |
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Babette New Member
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I guess this question has been asked many times but...where on the FL4I website is this diet? I don't see it? I recently purchased WL4I, am on day 4, and wonder if BC is part of the 39$ package plan I purchased? I searched the website, my diet handbook, etc. and found nothing. Am a bit confused. Thanks if anyone can help. I'm just curious. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Babette To answer your question, the "Calories Per Hour" site is totally unrelated to the "Fat Loss 4 Idiots" site. When purchasing the "Fat Loss 4 Idiots" diet on their site for $39, that only gives you access to the diet generator. If you want the "Beyond Calories" diet, that is an additional cost. At the time of purchasing the "FL4I" diet, they will ask if you want to purchase "Beyond Calories". Unfortunately, once you purchase and download the "FL4I" diet, you no longer have the option to purchase "Beyond Calories". If you want to purchase it, you will have to pay the entire amount again plus the additional cost for purchasing "Beyond Calories". Hope that helps. |
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Anyar wrote: Whenever it says 2 from Group1, that means you can eat either 2 fruits or just 1.iM INTERESTED IN YOUR SPREADSHEET |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Davina: Just send me a private message with your email address and I'll forward you the MS Excel spreadsheet that I created. I have one for both the Diet Generator as well as Beyond Calories. |
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Davina wrote: Anyar wrote:Whenever it says 2 from Group1, that means you can eat either 2 fruits or just 1.Hey, I am also interested, in the spreadsheet |
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Aladdin New Member 
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Hi there! Everyone on diet break or....??? Anyway. I am new here and on my 4th day of BC. Doing ok but not much of a loss yet. When did the wheel start spinning with you guys? From day 1 or...? This diet is not very easy for me since I do not eat meat or fish so I have to gorge on nuts, eggs, cheese and beans when group 2 and 4 are in question. Looking forward to see the final result, if good I will continue after the 3 day break  Have a nice day! Aladdin Last edited on 5 June 2008 03:20 pm by Aladdin |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Aladdin wrote: Hi there! Hi, Aladdin: Welcome to the board. I'm currently doing Beyond Calories vs. the Diet Generator. I lost 30 pounds on the diet from 2/28 to 4/19 but this was with a combination of BC and DG. I didn't have as much success on BC likely because I can't get used to eating 6 meals per day. Also, because I don't think anyone is on the BC diet right now except for you and me, consider joining the "FL4I - General Discussion" thread. This is the most active thread. Good luck and let us know how you're doing on the diet. |
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Aladdin New Member
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Anyar wrote: Aladdin wrote:Hi there! Thanx Anyar I'll probably join that thread ;) On my 5th day, still have not lost more than one pound I have followed the diet plan completely no cheats!Hope the weightloss starts soon. |
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cantwait2lookgreat New Member
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Hi Anyar! I was looking into the BC and I know that my husband would like to switch to this (he is used to eating 6x/day). I saw that you have spreadsheets for both the BC and the DG as well (I think I'll stick with DG through the 11th day and then consider switching over to BC). Can I send you a PM with my email and get those spreadsheets?? :) I love to be abe to chart my progress, plan things out, etc. Thanks! |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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cantwait2lookgreat Absoutely. Anyone wanting a copy of the spreadsheets is more than welcome. Just remember, these are simply spreadsheets that help you to lay out your meal plan over the 10 or 11 day period. Some people think that it includes the DG or BC diet but it doesn't. Send me a private PM and I'll be happy to send you the spreadsheets. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Aladdin: Don't feel alone. I'm also doing Beyond Calories right now. The unfortunate thing is that when I last tried it, I didn't really lose much weight, but then again I didn't stick with it all the way through Day 10. I always seem to be more successful usisng Diet Generator, but Beyond Calories is not as restrictive. Today, I'm now on Day 6 and appear to have lost about 4 lbs, even though I haven't strictly adhered to the diet. I'm gonna sick with this through Day 10 with hopes that I lose a lot more. Just stick with it until Day 10. I'll be here right along side of you. Good luck, and let me know how things are going. |
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weisenheimer New Member
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Anyar ... I am new to this post as well as the diet. I tried BC and lost eight pounds ... not faring so well on DG ... was wondering if I might be able to get a copy of your spreadsheet ... thanks in advance. I have been reading lots of these posts ... very motivational! You all seem so supportive and friendly ... I look forward to reading more! |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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weisenheimer wrote: Anyar ... I am new to this post as well as the diet. I tried BC and lost eight pounds ... not faring so well on DG ... was wondering if I might be able to get a copy of your spreadsheet ... thanks in advance. Hi, Weisenheimer: Congrats on the 8 lb loss using Beyond Calories. I'm actually just the opposite. I just did Beyond Calories and lost about 5 lbs. I usually lose more doing DG. Not sure if adhering to the six meals daily is the problem because I just can't seem to do it. Eating 4x/day is a little more reasonable for me. Also, be sure to join in on the "FL4I - Genreal Discussion" thread. Mostly everyone there is doing DG but people often switch up and over to BC. Again, congrats and keep up the success! |
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lbolt New Member
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Do you still have that spreadsheet? I would love to use it. |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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Hi, lbolt: I am no longer distributing the spreadsheet. However, it is a very simple thing to create in Excel. I simply listed in the left column Day 1 thru Day 11, and for each day I list the food choices that I'm allowed to eat from the Beyond Calories food menu group as well as the amount of water that I drink daily. You can also create something very similar in MS Word. The spreadsheet is simply a diary that I created to track food items. |
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weeelf New Member
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Hello everyone! I'm new here. I purchased FL4I and beyond calories a few days ago and decided to give it a go. Am on day 2 of the BC diet. All I want is to lose 10 lbs, but I'm not sure I'm able to manage. This is a challenge for me because I'm never too motivated about anything, and I want to prove to myself (and others) that I can last 10 days (or a week) on this diet, and not eat any chocolate or sweets. I just need some support. Anyway, a few questions: I'm a vegetarian, and I usually eat a lot of yoghurt (and some milk in coffee). But no dairy apart from cheese it seems in the list? Is it okay to replace cheese by yogurt? Say: if they say group 1 and 2, I can eat a plain yogurt with mixed nuts and fruits? 2) What do they mean by cheese slices? Any of them? 3) for group 2 I've been eating oatmeal (with water not milk), is it a bad thing? 4) they say lettuce, can't it be any other type of salad? 5) why do eggs need to be hard boiled or scrambled? 6) what about soup I think I've done good (considering I work in a restaurant place where I spend the morning alone baking cakes, putting sandwishes and salads on the counter, and selling cookies and cakes all day long), not sure if I'm on the right track: (drinking hot tea all day long) Day 1: -1 orange, 3 apricots -oatmeal with almonds -2 cheese slices and 1 pear -salad: mushrooms, tomatoes, lettuce + boiled egg -slice of watermelon (is it allowed?) with some walnuts -some melon with blackberries Day 2: -1 orange, 2 apricots -oatmeal with almonds -2 cheese slices + pineapple -cold cucumber soup (but it was very salty! 8 hours later, I still have the taste in my mouth :() + ice tea -salad with some quinoa -green beans, 1 cheese slice, and some melon (I wasnt supposed to pick a group 1 food but it was starting to waste) Any advices? Edit: oh and I keep trembling all day long. Day 3 I just woke up (later than usual) and my whole body is shaking so much I can barely walk. I'm starving. (yet I feel I've been eating well those past 2 days). Last edited on 26 June 2008 10:04 am by weeelf |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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weeelf wrote: Hello everyone! weeelf In looking at the number of times you're eating per day, it appears that you are "attempting" to follow the "Beyond Calories" where you choose food items from a predefined food group. To answer your first question, "Beyond Calories" is a very restrictive diet as is the Diet Generator. It was designed based on calorie rotation, the glycemic index, as well as a few other things. For this reason, you only allowed to eat what is on the food menu group. In reading the rules of both "Beyond Calories" and "Diet Generator" it clearly states that the food items should not be manipulated. With that said, yogurt is not inclulded in "Beyond Calories" (BC) but frozen yogurt is allowed on "Diet Generator" (DG). Likewise, milk in coffee is not allowed using BC but coffee cream is allowable using DG. Cheese slices" can be any type of cheese slices you choose whether it's pepper jack, cheddar, american, etc. Oatmeal is not allowed on BC but is allowed on DG if you select it from the menu. The term "salad" is very broad and can include anything ranging from pasta salad, fruit salad, etc. However, any form of "Lettuce" is allowable. Scrambled eggs are usually scrambled in a skillet with oil, butter, Pam, etc., which is an added extra to the diet. A hardboiled egg is simply boiled in water. Soup is allowable if you are able to concoct a soup out of "water" (not broth) and other items that are allowed from your food group. If you feel trembles or light-headed, my suggestion would be to increase your food intake. If persistent, you might want to see a doctor. The only recommendation I have for you concerning both diets is to avoid manipulation. Simply eat what it says, which should leave no room for error. Good luck. Last edited on 28 June 2008 03:44 am by Anyar |
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weeelf New Member
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Thank you so much for your reply and advices, it helped a lot! After feeling very ill all day I ate as usual and felt better. I'm gonna try the Diet Generator starting tomorrow, it seems more suitable for my likings and needs. Let's hope I can stick to it this time :) |
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Anyar Distinguished Member
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weeelf wrote: Thank you so much for your reply and advices, it helped a lot! After feeling very ill all day I ate as usual and felt better. I'm gonna try the Diet Generator starting tomorrow, it seems more suitable for my likings and needs. Let's hope I can stick to it this time :) Be sure to select the "Vegetarian" version once you go to the Diet Generator. Good luck. |
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a2u28 New Member 
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Hi I am on my 5th cycle of the Beyond Calories. I have lost 22 lbs so far. Eating 6 meals a day has been very helpful for me because I don't feel hungry all the time. I am so grateful I found this and decided to purchase it along with the Diet Generator. I tried the Diet Generator for a couple of days and I felt light headed and so went back to the BC. I think BC has really given me a way to loose weight. I realized and am realizing a few things through my journey.... 1) my weight did not come on over night so therefore it will not go away over night. 2) I need to ride my bike or walk a little each day along with BC ( Not strenuously, but lightly) 3) I need to make it a life change not just a quick fix. 4) On my one to two days off, I need to be careful to not stuff myself so I don't put back on the 4-7 lbs I just lost on my 10 day cycle! 5) Be accountable to others so that I can stick with it! 6) Make up my mind that I will stick with it to the end, even when I get bored, tired, or just plain wanting chocolate! I am sure there will be much more to learn as I continue on my BC journey. a2u28 |
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sweetestajever New Member
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Hi Everyone! I love Beyond Calories. I like that it tells me what I can eat and what I cannot eat. I lost 10.1 lbs on my first cycle and I am on my second cycle now. I could use some advice. For those of us that take a day or two off in between cycles, how do you manage what you eat? I like have some time off so that you can eat that certain think you have been wanting/craving!! I just don't want to undo in two days what I took 10 days to accomplish. I have been blessed to have found this diet!!!! |
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a2u28 New Member
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sweetestajever wrote: Hi Everyone! I love Beyond Calories. I like that it tells me what I can eat and what I cannot eat. I lost 10.1 lbs on my first cycle and I am on my second cycle now. I could use some advice. For those of us that take a day or two off in between cycles, how do you manage what you eat? I like have some time off so that you can eat that certain think you have been wanting/craving!! I just don't want to undo in two days what I took 10 days to accomplish. I have been blessed to have found this diet!!!! Welcome Sweetestajever, That is a very good question! That is the very area I have been struggling with! I find that I am having to learn just how my body works. It takes me 10 days to loose weight and then 2 days to put most of it back on if I'm not careful! There are times that I will only take 1 day off instead of 2 depending on how I am feeling. I'm on my 6th cycle of BC. I've lost 22 lbs. so far. It would have been more if I didn't have to re-loose what I gained during my days off. I am learning that I can not eat everything I craved during my 10 day cycle on those days off. I also am learning on my days off that I still need to eat several times during the day. ( not necessarily 6 meals, but more than 3.) I love breads, pastas, potatoes, chocolate and ice cream! I'm having to be very careful of how much of those foods I eat. So for my body, I decided to pick just a couple of the things I really want and cut it in half. I am still eating healthy items along with those not so healthy item while satisfying my little cravings! It really has been helping me not gain back during the days off. I'd love to hear others insight...there is always so much to learn! A2u28 Last edited on 15 July 2008 07:25 pm by a2u28 |
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Cherielynn New Member
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Hi everyone! Just purchased my "Beyond Calories" last night. I've already planned out my meals for the 10 days as to make it easier for me in any given moment. I was really glad to find this website. I've taken a few moments to read some of the posts and found them fun and motivating. Thanks to all that post! I've put on about 35 pounds over the last 4 years. A divorce as well as going through the "change" caused me to lose focus on my own health. It's time for a change! I have always been fairly attentive to my weight; watching what I eat, working-out etc., but find that I'm needing some additional help to get back on track. I'm hoping that the 6 meals a day will go a long way to help me with my hunger. The "change" has left me with really strong carb carvings. The lack of sleep at night (another wonderful side effect of the change) isn't helping my energy, either. Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself and say that I'm looking forward to your inspirations as well as hopfully offering up any help that I can. Talk more later. Cherie |
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Licha New Member 
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Hi! Since being on the Beyond Calories! I have lost 9 pounds in 8 days. I still have 2 more days to go. Then I am taking a day off. I was told its better to take 2 days off. I also am worried about taking a couple of days off in fear of gaining the weight that I tried so hard to lose. I will try it for one day and see, if I start gaining I think I will only take 1 day off. Its funny at the beginning of the cycle I was craving my cappacinno and popcorn and chocolat. But now, for some reason I can't wait to be off and eat some seafood at Red Lobster. I really find with this diet I get alot less cravings plus its the only diet I didn't get any headaches. I don't have energy and don't exercise yet, but as soon as I lose more weight hopefully by august, I can start introducing exercise. Well, good luck to all and I will be reading for some advice and encouragement. Licha Last edited on 23 July 2008 04:23 am by Licha |
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starsculptress New Member
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I am new to Beyond Calories and need help on a few things. 1) Can I have an egg over medium? 2) Can I have tofu? 3) What exactly is creamer (for the coffee)? What does it say in the store? Is it half n half? 4) I eat out a lot. Today I noticed chopped fresh garlic in with my broccoli. I tried to eat around it. Would that hurt the diet? 5) Can I still follow my usual exercise routine (half hour of arch trainer, weight lifting)? Any help you could give me would be much appreciated. Thanks! |
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on this plan, can i keep the same 10 day menu or do i have to change it like with FL4I? |
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Licha New Member
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YOUPI! Just thought I would share, I lost 10 pounds on my first 10 day cycle, I didn't even cheat once. I am taking my one day today off and going out. But Saturday I am starting again with my 2nd 10 day cycle. This time I have a little bit more energy so I will be incorporating exercise, my goal is 10 min. eliptical a day.  GOOD LUCK to everyone else. Licha |
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a2u28 New Member
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Congratulations!!!!!! Way to go! Keep up the great work |
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SlimNeel Distinguished Member
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Anyar wrote: -----: Send me a private message and I explain to you about Beyond Calories. Hi Anyar, I also wish I had purchased the BC when I initially bought the program. I was over optimistic for DG, but its not really working that great for me....specially that we are a vegetarian indian family and carbs- rice and wheat are main components of our diet and also that I have a very picky eater toddler for whom I am cooking all day long. To add on, I am pre-diabetic, getting insulin resistence, hypothyroid, and symtoms of pcos - these things are all linked together and its like one thing causes another and all these conditions make you gain weight and/or make it hard to lose. Sorry for rambling on, just wanted to ask if you could let me know how to get BC now and also, how to Private Message you. Thanks so much, Slim Last edited on 26 July 2008 03:44 pm by SlimNeel |
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labdudette Senior Member 
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I want to start the BC, but just coming up with the menus is hard work! I got up to day 4 and haven't gotten back to it. Do you suppose it would accomplish nearly the same thing if I let the Diet Generator do my thing and then just divide what it comes up with into 6 meals instead of 4? Whew! I lost a couple ounces just trying to make my own menus! |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Lab...why not give it a try! Let us know on this thread and the fl4i also...I do know that some people with long shifts have done it in the past. |
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labdudette Senior Member
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Thanks, Sunshine, maybe I will go for it. I'll try to keep you all posted on my success (hopefully!). I want to share your "don't stuff the small sweets" on this thread! It was so hilarious!! You are so clever! |
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apartian New Member
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Just thought I would give an update. Since my Beyond Calories postings in March I tried to continue the program but wasn't losing anything. I gave up and ended up gaining all my weight back in no time even though I was watching what I ate. A friend of mine BEGGED me to start the South Beach Diet with her as she had lost 35 lbs on it so far. I agreed to try it for 2 weeks ONLY and expected to stop after proving her wrong as I have become so FED UP with diets. 2 1/2 weeks later I have lost 7 lbs. When I woke up this morning and got on the scale I was down 2 lbs more then just yesterday. The diet touts a weight loss of 2 lbs per week on average. I was down 2.4 lbs the first week and 2.6 lbs the second week. Growing up as a meat & potatoes eater in the midwest, South Beach seems natural because it's meat (protein) & vegetables in the beginning. Various Carbs, sugars and fruit are introduced back into the program beginning on week 3. Yesterday was my first day of week 3 and I had a "No-Pudge" brownie and 1/2 cup cantaloupe for my carbs. Surprisingly, the scale was down an additional 2 lbs today from yesterday. Can't tell you how excited I am to watch the lbs falling off. Everyone's body works just a little differently and the high fruit content of Beyond Calories didn't work for my body. I'm hoping that Beyond Calories is working for you as it is a good, healthy program. Happy Weight Loss! |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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AP...good for you!!!!...just STAY with it now that you have found a way of eating and living that works for you...it has to be a" lifestyle change"...NOT a DIET that you go ON and OFF of.....that is the key....if we return to our old habits  which made us gain weight in the first place...those old habits will successfully cause us to regain the pounds. SouthBeach is a very sensible and very healthy approach. I'm so glad it is working well for you...you must be very excited! YGG Congrats on your wonderful success!Thanks for checking in and sharing your story! SS Last edited on 5 August 2008 04:27 pm by sunshine |
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Angel2Write New Member
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I'm really wishing I had purchased the Beyond Calories, because just eating four meals a day is making me A) Hungry and B) Sick. I cheated last night because I was starving and I had already eaten my four meals. Sigh. My husband will never let me spend more money on this program! A.W. |
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Falerina New Member
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Hello everybody! I just got my fl4i few days ago + the beyond calories. i chose to go the beyond calories was and had started the diet since monday. There are some questions I would like to ask fellow "comrades" here on the diet I noticed that I'm only supposed to eat till I'm satisfied and no longer hungry but not full, I did that but i find that although I'm satisfied with how much I'm eating, in just an hour my stomach will be rumbling and growling. Am i doing it wrong that I end up starving myself instead? Will this diet work for me if I (think/seem to) have messy metabolic rate due to previous starvation diets and meal replacement diets? I'm taking supplements such as bee pollen, garcinia, flax seeds, apple cider vinegar etc etc. can I continue taking them or do i drop them off completely? This diet mentioned that walking is sufficient, but will it do better/harm if i choose to jog instead? sorry for the many questions just dont want to do anything wrong. I wanna lose at least 30pounds by this oct. am i being unrealistic? Last edited on 20 August 2008 03:13 am by Falerina |
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a2u28 New Member
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I am starting my 9th cycle with Beyond Caleries and I am so excited I have lost 34 lbs! It would have been more if I didn't have to go back a few times and re-loose some lbs during my 1 to 2 days off! I have about 50 more to go! Last edited on 20 August 2008 06:26 am by a2u28 |
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Amjacie Distinguished Member
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Angel, I sent you a pm! congrats a2u2b! falerina, I'll try to answer some of your questions: on eating until satisfied, on the beyond calories diet, it is best to invision half a plateful each meal. It's like three full meals split in two. You won't be in starvation mode eating that much. If you find yourself really hungry within an hour maybe eat a little bit more each meal. You have to find the right balance for you! many of us take acv and flax, so I don't see any problem with you taking your supplements at all. on exercising, they suggest a brisk walk because that's the type of exercise that gets the heart rate at the right speed to burn fat. If the heart rate goes faster you start burning carbs instead, so I suggest a brisk walk for the best results. you want to lose 30 pounds by october 1st? That is only 6 weeks. I had a lot to lose(112 pounds) and lost the first 30 in eight weeks, which was pretty fast. It depends on how much you have to lose, really. If you only have 30 pounds to lose it may take a few more weeks. I've been doing the generator since march and have lost 62 pounds so far. Good luck on your weight loss goals! And to all, feel free to post in the general discussions too.We have some people on the BC diet there, and I am sure you will get a lot of helpful advice to any questions in that discussion area. |
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Falerina New Member
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Amjacie wrote
thank you for your generous input! my bad i actually meant by mid oct which is about 8 weeks. well 30 pounds is what i am aiming for. I guess i just have to do my best and hope for the best by then. I sure hope the results wont disappoint! on eating the correct portions, hmmm i'm pretty sure i have big enough portions and i usually feel ''full'' but not bloated as i used to be. i always thought it'd last me for the 2.5 - 3 hrs till the next meal but it usually doesn't. now i'm wondering if i've done things wrong. or perhaps i need time to adapt? i was thinking if it could be a possibilty that my metabolism is all revved up now and burning whatever intake and then when it wasnt enough it starts to send hunger signals... any thoughts on that? ok i'll be sure to post my same concerns there. thankies!!! |
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Angel2Write New Member
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I'm doing better today. Decided that four meals wasn't working for me & started eating whenever I felt sick or really hungry. BUT... I'm only eating off the day's list, and I'm only eating small portions. Like, I broke my sandwich in half and had it for lunch and supper. This seems to be working better with my unstable blood sugar. And guess what? I've already lost some weight! AW |
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princessjsc Member 
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Does anyone on here have that Spreadsheet of BC that I keep reading about Rayna put together? I would love a copy! |
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MSWILEY87 New Member 
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Hello to all!! My name is DeVon and this is my 3rd day on DG diet. It is going HORRIBLE. . Day1 was okay and Day2 was alright, I was just hungry all day, this was the fruit day, and the idea was to eat 2 pieces of fruit for 3 meals and then meal 4 was a deli meat sandwich. The sandwich was my favorite meal! I love fruit, but not too happy with eating fruit only ALL day. Needless to say, I ate what I wanted yesterday and even drank a BEER!!! Soo not suppose to do that, but i was stressing! So I was wondering.. Can I pick my diet back up from where I left off which would put me on day #3, or should I start all over from day 1 tomorrow? I have already been following the eating schedule for day #3 today just incase I could fix this. I haven't drank nearly as much water as I should though, I'm having problems with drinking 10glasses of water. I went from 6 sodas a day to none tho That is good for me! Ive only had 9oz and its 2:11pm here. |
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De New Member
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Hi Devon, I started over. I'm on my second cycle of beyond calories. I had great success for the first cycle, and switched to FL4I, but hated it and dropped it. Then switched back to beyond, and dropped it after getting half way through. After a few days break, I'm back on beyond (day 5) and it's going great again. When I first started the Beyond, I was getting ready to drop it because I wasn't loosing wight and thought it was a gimic, but then I started loosing weight. I lost around 10-11 pounds in 10 days. I was hating the diet at first, but then I started feeling energetic. I found a water bottle that holds 8 glasses of water. I'd drink during each meal, and that made it easier. Also, I don't like coffee, but I drink it black (~14 oz) first thing every morning.  Last edited on 11 September 2008 03:12 am by De |
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cmharris6002 New Member 
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Hi! I am also on day 5 of my second cycle. I lost 8lbs on the fist cycle, took three days off and started again. I didn’t lose anything the first few days of this cycle but was down a pound this morning and will probably see a few more pounds drop I feel great on this diet and have no problem drinking the water. I drink two glasses of water between my meals. Christy |
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De New Member
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Hi Christy, Welcome and congratulations on your weight loss. You should join the September/October weight loss challenge. I joined yesterday. It sounds like it will be great for keeping us motivated. De Last edited on 12 September 2008 01:54 am by De |
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cmharris6002 New Member
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Thanks De, I joined the challenge It looks like our weights and goals are very close. Are you tall? I am 5'10. Once I get to 155 I'll be right where I need to be. How was your day 6? I did great with my day 5. Tomorrow (day 6) I get 4 foods from group 4, what shall I splurge on Christy |
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De New Member
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Hi Christy, congratulations on joining the challenge! I'm 5'6", and I'd like to eventually get down to 140 lbs. I love doing the fruit -grapes, strawberries, apples. Also, I love cashews, but had to give them up, even though I love them a lot. I was eating too many becuase of buying them in large quanity from Costco. They've been my only weakness during the entire diet, but still were not hard to give up as long as I don't buy them. It was great today that I went to a luncheon and it was all of this great food around, and I ate nothing. The Beyond Calorie diet has really curbed my appetite. I've never had this much self control on any other diet in my life. Good Luck. De |
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cmharris6002 New Member
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Hi De, Is this day nine for you? How did you do this cycle? I have not lost anything(yet?) this cycle! It might be that I am not eating enough. I feel so full all the time sometimes a meal is just a slice of tomato. Also, I have been working out with weights... I plan to stick with it though. How about you, are you up for another cycle? Christy |
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De New Member
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Hi Christy, Yes, Sunday was day 9. I was down to 165 yesterday, but back up to 166.5 lbs this afternoon. I'm definitely up for for another cycle, because I know that I've wanted to give up twice but decided to keep going. Each time with good results, so I'm glad that you're sticking with it. I haven't started doing weights or exercise yet, because I was thinking of not adding those in until I reached a plateau (maybe close to 2 cycles with no change). I've been tracking my intake, and making a special effort to stay above 1000 calories. The maximum that I've been able to do is around 1450 calories, and I've been eating as soon as I wake up, and evenly spacing my meals, and eating the lower number of calories in the evening. You're definitely a step ahead of me with the weights, Hang in there. De |
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cmharris6002 New Member
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Hi De, I'm glad you are going to do another cycle. It is so nice not to feel like I'm the only one I track my caloric intake too. This is how I have done for the past 8 days of this cycle, 1218, 1011, 916, 868, 825, 1148, 944, 1131 I know it is pretty low. I try to eat some nuts to bring it up but I just have no appitite. Christy |
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De New Member
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Hi Christy, Here's my intake for the cycle that I just finished. 1625, 1375, 1310, 1190, 1170, 1240, 965, 1445, 780, 987. What I've also recently noticed is that I'm hungrier faster when I have the fruit meals, so I go a shorter time (~2 hours) after one of those meals and I wait longer after eating a protein packed meal (3 to 3.5 Hours). I end up having more flexibility, because I eat as soon as I get up (5:30 to 6 am). Also, make sure that you're getting close to at least 8 hours of sleep. I was having sleeping problems, but the Beyond Calories diet has helped my sleeping routine which may also be helping my weight loss. De |
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foxykat007 New Member
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Hi All... I'm new here, I'm on day 5 of the fl4i and am down 2 pounds... I wish I had bought the BC now =( I too feel that the lack of fiber in the fl4i is a concern I'm having. Anyar...I sent you a PM... I hope you get it. So happy I found this forum... All your stories are truly an inspiration =) Bless you all |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Foxy...Welcome! come over to the fl4i general discussion(click on the fl4i at the top pf the page and then the discussion thread) and introduce yourself...that is where you will find us all...and many of us have done the DG and BC...we can answer your questions there. SS |
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Marse New Member
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Hi Rainbow, thanks so much for your post. Yup today is day 5 for me, and guess what was bright yellow? Had you not posted, I would have gone to the doctor, Whoa! |
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annabelita New Member
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Hi everyone, I'm new here. I just started BC yesterday and weighed in this morning at 157.9 that is almost 3 pounds down from yesterday. Is that possible? I would like to lose 30 pounds by January, but the holidays are coming and I'm a little worried. I know what has happened in the past when I started diets around this time of year. I usually put on more weight than if I were not on any diet at all. I'm determined though. I ate 5 meals yesterday, but woke up with my 1 year old daughter at 2 am really hungry. I should have had that last meal. I'm really excited about this diet and refuse to fail this time around....appreciate any help! |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Welcome AB...we are talking on the fl4i discussion site...and you will find us all there! Come on over and introduce yourself! SS |
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mbishop New Member
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Hey guys, I am new to this forum but it seems to be very active and could possibly help with a question/problem I am having. I am on my second cycle day 5 of Beyond Calories. My first cycle I lost 13 lbs in 9 days. With no working out. Then on my 4 days off I gained 3.5 back, mainly water I am assuming because I didn't really drink a lot then. So I have lost a total of 9.5, still good in my book. Day 5 of my 2nd cycle and NOTHING!!! What gives? Is it because my body is adjusting? I started working out and thought that would help..no. So I have suffered from a lack of faith and cheated on day 2 and yesterday, day 2 I drank a bottle of wine, and yesterday I had 2 slices of pizza. Today I have been fabulous as well as the other days that I didn't oops up on. I have been drinking more pop than I did last time...could that be it? However, I am still drinking all the water I am supposed to be. Any suggestions? Is this normal for cycle 2 then cycle 3 picks back up? THANKS! Sorry so long... |
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webfairy Moderator 
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I am on the DG so can't answer your questions. But there are others that have either been on Beyond Calories, or are currently on this program, that may be able to help you if you come over to the General Discussion forum for FL4I, as this thread is not as active as that one is. See you there! |
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loleno New Member
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Are we allowed bananas on this diet? It has listed most fruits but left out bananas. |
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webfairy Moderator
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I am not that familiar with BC but with the DG on FL4I, bananas are not on the fruit list. The only meals on the DG that they are allowed is the banana milkshake, orange pineapple smoothie, and fruit salad dessert. But they are not on fruit day and the FL4I "people" say no bananas as substitutions for other fruits. I hope that helps a little with BC, as I am sure if it were not allowed on the DG, it is not allowed on BC either. |
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loleno New Member
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Oh ok. I have cheated many times anyway lol. I've just had 2 deli sandwiches even though I was meant to eat 'protein'. However, the rest of the day also contains eating protein (with the exception of one meal) so I figured eating something a little different won't hurt (also, I can't see why we are not allowed wholemeal bread on this BC diet). Besides, this diet is about varying the types of food you eat each day. So I hope this is fine and won't ruin the diet, because as long as we vary what we eat, it'll work out right? I mean, we don't have to follow the exact diet through the 10 days? Oh, and I do a lot of exercise each day (i'm an active person) so hopefully that will even it out a bit haha. |
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Adele_Larson New Member
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Hi, I was thinking of getting FL4I, I am a little confused is Beyond Calories part of it or is it a completely different diet. I need to get in the mindset now that I am going to start a diet straight after Christmas.Thanks in advance. Last edited on 21 April 2009 02:41 pm by |
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webfairy Moderator
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Hi Adele. Beyond Calories is a little diffferent than the diet generator with Fat Loss 4 Idiots. I honestly don't know all the details, other than you get 6 meals with BC( Beyond Calories) and 4 meals per day with the DG (diet generator). You do not get all that is allowed onthe DG with the BC, so some people like the DG better. Also, the DG gives you your meals to eat per day... all spelled out.. what your 4 meals will consist of, which many people really like that structure (like me). It is easy to follow and it works! People don't post as often in this thread, so if you have anymore questions, why don't you come to the Fat Loss 4 Idiots GEBERAL DISCUSSION thread here... http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/forum3/214-231.html Others here have been on the BC and can answer your questions there. And we can answer all your questions about the DG there, too. Looking forward to seeing you there! |
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sweetestajever New Member
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Hello everyon! I have been on BC since January 5 and have lost 18 lbs. I encourage you not to way yourself until the morning after day 10. why? I believe that after you do a 10 cycle and start on another, the first few days when the fruits are increased, I believe there could be a slight weight gain. Think about it. Day 5 through like Day 10 is very high protein and no carb. You go and throw carbs, even though they are good carbs, in and your body holds on to them. So don't get discouraged if you gain a little! Today is my day 9 and I can't wait until Wednesday morning to weigh in. I was bad last night for the Super Bowl. How couldn't I cheat when my team is sooooo AWESOME! GO STEELERS! Please write back so I know there are more like me out there. I need motivated to stay motivated. Good Luck all and God Bless! |
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Sweet - That is great news! Congratulations on the losses! Keep it up! I did the diet generator.. never did BC but I know some on the forum have done BC. At the time I purchased the diet I didn't think I would need that, so I really never had the chance to try it. But the DG worked great for me and I lost all my weight. So whatever works! Keep us updated! You can always come over to general discussion and say hi to everyone so they can meet you. |
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luv to vacation New Member 
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that is great how much you have lost so fast. keep up the good work. |
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KatieA New Member 
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So I'm really excited that I found this site. Wow, this is so great. I'm 20 at 155 right now and I started the BC diet yesterday. I'm just looking to tone up, you know? I'm hoping this'll help me reach my goal faster :) What I'm wondering is how far through the diet did anyone start noticing weight loss? I'm also exercising quite a bit, the diet is actually secondary to going to the gym for me...let me know! |
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webfairy Moderator
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Hi Katie. Welcome. I will let someone who has done BC answer your question, but I wanted to let you know that FL4I diet overall is really great. Many of us have done really well. I lost over 45 lbs. in only 4 1/2 months. Good luck to you. If no one answers about the BC on this thread, you can always come over to the general discussion thread, and there are a lot of others on there who can help, as some have also done or are doing BC. Good luck! |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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Katie, I'd be HAPPY to answer this for you! At first, you might not notice the weight loss. I'm talking the first couple pounds (for some, it's the first 2-5. For others, 5-10). The initial loss is usually from retained water, and because you're drinking a whole TON now (notice the bathroom trips rise?!), you'll also notice that bloating goes down, and water weight goes down REAL quick too... Kind of backwards, isn't it? So after the first few pounds, BINGO! Your clothes actually begin to get a little larger, and you start to pull at the waist-band of your pants (like I did) and go, "HEY! I'M DOING IT!!!" That's the reaction you want every time going into the SECOND week of the 11-day cycle. People get hung up on wanting to lose the weight too quickly sometimes, and get disappointed when they don't get those quick results. Numbers not coming off as quick as you wanted? That's fine! Modify and keep going. One step back doesn't signify a failure. EVERY STEP FORWARD has something for everyone to learn. I'm still learning, and I'm sure I'll have my fair share of frustration. Keep focused, stay determined, and don't give up. THAT'S what gets the results.YOU CAN DO IT! "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Hi Steve...what does your extra day you added look like...what foods are you regularly choosing on your menus...curious minds want all the facst you can give us to understand your wonderful success. Do tell all! Share your secrets! |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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I would be MORE than happy to give you my EXACT meal plan, my exact exersize regiment, and techniques to make the diet easier for myself. As called for in the original Beyond Calories, the author only stated that the diet lasted 10 days. To me, that seemed a little silly; it falls two days short of a fri-sat-sun cheat weekend like the original diet generator. So I modified my Beyond Calories diet, as I've said before, to an 11-day diet plan to make for a 3 day weekend like everyone else! And guess what?! IT'S FREAKIN' SWEET!! So if you guys are interested, I will post my (albeit extremely boring, bland, plain, yet tasty) menu day - by - day with what I do for exersize. Keep in mind, too, that I work in a warehouse, and I'm on my feet for nearly 7 - 8 hours a day, so I get extra help in the walking department anyways. It SHOULD be noted, however, that even with that extra 'help', it didn't seem to effect the rate of weight loss any. POST and let me know! I'll get right on it ASAP. =) "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Yes...please do... you can keep it simple so it won't be so much work for you! Thanks! SS |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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No way! I dig work! I DO!!!!!! Give me about an hour though. I need to switch work stations, as I'm wrapping up a music project as well. LOL Yes, I can multi-task. ...sort of. "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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KatieA New Member
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Steve - Thank you so much for being so upbeat! It's awesome to see a guy dieting, guys usually loaf around...not really but they don't care enough to be so supportive! I love it! Do you think you could send me your diet plan as well? This 10 day thing is killing me, my cheat days are sunday and monday, and mondays are tooough for me. You say modify. That word scares me, because modifying for me is "stick some chocolate into there!" Lol. |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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KatieA, Sunshine, and EVERYONE! I'm about to post my diet for this cycle, and give you insight as to how I mentally get myself into the game so that way it can not only be a great learning experience, but a great awakening AND fun at the same time! I've learned so much about myself simply through diet and exercise that I don't know where to begin... except at the beginning! OFF WE GO! Be prepared. This WILL be a long post... My diet plan of choice is, of course, Beyond Calories, and unfortunately as everyone figured out, the author wanted to make it difficult by making it a 10-day diet. Look at your calendars, people! That's Monday of week one, and ends on WEDNESDAY OF THE NEXT WEEK!!! What kind of #%@&! is that?! Why can't it be like the DG where it's 11 days so I get three days to be 'special' like everyone else?! Note the word MODIFICATION that I've brought up before, because I'm about to use it... lol When I saw that, I modified that number right away to fit my gluttonous needs for a full weekend of goodies. My version is an 11-DAY Beyond Calories diet plan, and I do not use any special fixings for my foods. What I see in the four groups of foods is what I get, no seasonings, etc. I can see where all of you guys / gals are beginning to roll your eyes a bit, thinking, "That's gotta be really hard!" Believe me, I thought it would be too. Then I looked at the menu choices and made sure to be picky. If I was to do it BY THE BOOK, I was gonna have the best tasting plain foods I could pick. Now, for the complete 11-day menu. Write this down if you're interested. Right off, I should tell you that my drinks consist of all the diet mtn. dew / diet A&W root beer I can drink, and a ton of water! WATER IS KEY!!!!!!!!1!!11!11!1!!1!!ONE!1!!!1ONE! The meals don't go in order, so pick them for whichever you want to eat... lunch, breakfast, snack, din-din, etc. DAY 1: Apples, Grapes Swiss Cheese Slices, Turkey (Note: all cheese from here on is actually block cheese from the super market, Crystal Farms block cheese!) Ham, Cheese Mushrooms, Lettuce, Tomato, Hardboiled Egg (Odd combo? I'm an odd man! Remember, odd combos can work, but if it doesn't, look at your groups, choose something else that fits your taste, and MODIFY!) Apple, Grapes Apple, Grapes DAY 2: Apple, Grapes Hardboiled Egg, Cheese Lettuce, Tomato, cuccumber Lettuce, shrimp Ham, Turkey Lettuce, Tomato, Cuccumber (GREEN BEANS) *I put green beans in brackets because if I don't feel like having yet another salad, I'll load up on green beans until I turn INTO one. They're actually dang good plain! Always have a plan B if you don't feel like plan A is going to work for that evening. A note on Turkey / Ham and portions. The type I personally use is the oscar meyer lunch meat types, 98% fat free, TASTY AS HECK, family pack 1 1/2 lbs pack. They last me most of the week, it seems. For portion size, all I do is grab a hand full, and make sure that the tips of my finger nails can touch the meaty part of my thumb... it's basically a hand full of meat, and it's ALWAYS more than enough to satisfy me in one sitting with a small measure of whatever else I'm supposed to have. I learned that 'hand full' trick from my dad, who had gastric bypass and had to have his dinner in just THAT SIZE. Seriously, it's perfect for me, and it leaves me satisfied without being hungry for more. DAY 3: Cheese, Hardboiled egg Green Beans, Apple (WIERD Combo alert!! ...but good!) Lettuce, tomato, cuccumber, shrimp turkey, ham cottage cheese, cheese (This combo fills you QUICKLY. be careful) Lettuce, tomato, cuccumber (GREEN BEANS ALT) DAY 4: Apple, grapes Ham, Turkey Cheese, Cottage Cheese lettuce, tomato, cuccumber green beans, peas (turning green yet??) Ham, turkey DAY 5: (God bless this day... men will LOVE me for this...) Cheese, Ham Hardboiled Egg, Turkey Turkey, Cheese Ham, Cheese Turkey, Ham Mushroom, Lettuce, Tomato (sniff... meat... God meat is awesome...) DAY 6: Lettuce, tomato, mushroom, green beans cottage cheese, turkey ham, cheese green beans (LOAD UP AND BE GREEN!) Ham, Cheese Cottage Cheese, Cheese DAY 7: Green Beans (No, I am not tired of these. I am in love with the Jolly Green Giant!) Turkey, Cheese Ham, Cheese Lettuce, Tomato, cuccumber, mushrooms Cottage cheese, turkey (wow... this gets wierd, but it's still tasty!) Peas (Ho ho ho!) DAY 8: Peas / Green Beans (Load up!) *Peas fill you up quicker, green beans are lesser in calories. Your choice. Turkey, Cheese Lettuce, tomato, Cuccumber Ham, cottage cheese Turkey, Ham Ham, Cheese Day 9: Hardboiled Egg, Cheese Lettuce, Tomato, Cuccumber Turkey, Cheese Ham, Cottage cheese Green Beans (I'm wearing the big leafy toga, I swear!) Turkey, Ham DAY 10: Hardboiled Egg, Cheese Turkey, Cheese Lettuce, tomato, cuccumber green beans (Load up!) ham, cheese Turkey, ham FINAL DAY: Apples, Grapes Cheese, Turkey Ham, Cheese Mushrooms, lettuce, tomato, Hardboiled Egg Apples, Grapes Apples, Grapes CHEAT DAYS!!!!!!! For those that are new to this diet, I would make an odd, but highly suggested requirement for this weekend. GO NUTS! I mean, go hog wild. Eat and stuff yourself as much as possible, then weigh yourself on monday... See that huge number you just gained back? Doesn't make you feel so good, does it? That's what happened to me the first cycle, but fear not. The first cheat weekend is your first awakening and learning experience. It forces you to take a good, LONG hard look at yourself and the hard work you put in to losing the weight you did on that cycle. What an AMAZING accomplishment, too!! ...then as fast as you lose it, it's back. You feel depressed when you fall off the bike after having that much momentum right?? Remember one thing after something like this: It's NEVER about how many times you fall down. It's about how you pick yourself back UP and continue moving forward that counts. What happened before doesn't matter. You're doing this to be a better person, and you KNOW you're going to succeed! Believe it, and everyone around you will believe in you, too! So, first timers! The first weekend is under your belt, you go through another cycle, and a cheat weekend comes up. What do you do?? MODIFY! =) Select the most tasty foods off of your BC menu, have those, and have one or two cheat meals on fri. and sat. each. On Sunday, let yourself enjoy anything you want. No restrictions!! NONE! NOOOOOOOOONE!!!!!!! By limiting the amount of cheat meals you have, you limit the amount of 'cheat weight' you have to lose on your next cycle, regardless of how easy it is to lose. EXERCISE! What is it that I do that keeps me going? According to the book, 45 minute walking sessions, or two thirty minute sessions, if I'm not mistaken. Let's be honest, some people don't have the energy to make it out the door after a long day of work. I hold down a job in a warehouse, and I'm on my feet for 7-8 hours a day. So I don't think walking is in the cards for me... What's the next best alternative? Simple! It's relaxing, challenging, and even takes the place of cardio exercise if done the right way... and it's something no guy would want to be caught dead doing, but I'll GLADLY admit I do... YOGA! I can't stress enough how great Yoga is. My flexibility has skyrocketed, my back has gotten better, I can breathe better, and has helped me drop 6 pants sizes along with this diet. It's a POWERFUL tool for me personally. Three to five days a week, depending on how I feel, I'll plug in a DVD and just fold myself up into a Yogi-Pretzel! AWESOME STUFF!! Now, little tips to make yourself sane: 1) Sometimes, you'll have buddies, family, etc, that when you walk into their home, they'll have on their tables the most TEMPTING looking foods in the world. When I walk in the door at night, sometimes the groceries will still be on the table, and all the cookies, chips, pastas, and everything GOOD will be sitting out. Dad'll look at me and just grin. "Son, how 'bout it?! You can get off your diet for one night!" he'll say with a big smile. I'll walk straight to the fridge, grab a piece of celery, take a bite, and start mock-crying, "This is the best chocolate I've ever tasted!!!!" Stupid little gimmicks like that keep me from KILLING people for leaving all the good looking stuff just lying out. 2) If you're feeling a bit hungry, grab a diet pop. Carbonation will fill that void up quickly. It's a fake feeling of course, but it'll help for the time being. Most of my hunger pangs come at the end of the day when all my meals have been consumed. 3) When cheat day comes, and people have tortured you nonstop with food of their own just for fun, make it a point not to let them know when your cheat weekend is. That way, when it hits, you walk up to their junk food stash, grab two big hand fulls of the weapons they used against you, and STUFF IT IN YOUR MOUTH, laughing hysterically. Word of advice... don't do that to the head of your company's M&M's. He'll go ape and suspend you for the day. (Whatever, it was a great three day weekend!) That's all for now... I apologize for the LONG WINDEDNESS of my approach, but I SINCERELY hope my entry helps people out with guiding them in the right direction if they've had any problems or apprehensions about starting or even continuing. PM me if you have ANY questions, and I won't hesitate to answer them as soon as possible!! Thank you SO much for listening! "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Steve, thanks for taking the time to detail your plan and success tips!! So you repeat day one as day 11? Are your beans and peas...frozen, fresh or canned? No condiments at all...no mustard on the meat or salad dressing on your lettuce mushroom tomato? Do you drink any hot beverages or just the water and soda? How do you space your meals? I can't remember how old you are...do you mind sharing that? How long have you been overweight? Big congrats on your success and sticking to this so closely without letting anyone undermine your effort!! You are doing amazingly well! Good for you, Steve! A whole new life is in store for you...healthy and slim for life! Thanks again for so patiently answering all our questions! SS |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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sunshine wrote:Steve, thanks for taking the time to detail your plan and success tips!! To answer your questions in order, Ms. Sunshine: 1) I just repeat day 1 as day 11 due to ease. I can plan out another day, but I'm too lazy, to be honest, and the results have still been stellar regardless. Until I see a need to modify the last day into something else, I think a repeat day will suffice for now.2) I'm all about the canned goods, but don't let that stop you from getting frozen vegetables. From what I understand, frozen vegetables actually have better taste, and thus more satisfying. The primary reason for me to go canned is because of accessibility if I need myself a QUICK dinner, instead of having to cook it up. C'mon, I'm a GUY! You think guys .... well, you think I have any cooking skill whatsoever outside of corn dogs?? Not I! LOL I'm slowly learning though!3) I haven't given thought to any hot beverages yet, as I haven't done enough research into viable options. I would assume - and forgive me for the TMI factor - that since some people might have trouble with bowel movements, straight black coffee might be good . I'll tell you what! If you give me the weekend, I'll give you some good hot drinks that might just tickle your fancies!! Deal??4) My meals are spaced out every two hours when possible. Usually 8AM, 10AM, 12 noon, the odd ball at 3PM, the drive home from work throws it off to 5:30PM, then the final meal at 7:30. In between the 5:30 and 7:30 meal, I do my yoga. 5) I am 27 years old, and I've been overweight since 2004. it actually cost me my job in the military. I got depressed when my engagement was called off and - being younger and not so smart - decided to let things eat at me. I let myself go, and I let it affect not only me, but my career, my self esteem, and my self respect. This diet is symbolic, in a sense, where I'm getting rid of my old self and looking forward towards a brighter future, and so far I'm digging what I'm seeing! Any more questions?! BRING IT! I got answers! ....maybe!"The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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STEVE....Once again...thanks for being willing to share your techniques and thoughts and tips...it is really helpful for anyone who wants to try to duplicate your success! I guess your motto is "Keep it simple" and it is working out well! SS |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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^_^ I'm flattered! You're right; it's all about simplicity. If you keep everything as simple as possible, it makes your diet that much more easy to manage. The stress level is easier to manage, too!! What is this I hear about using ketchup as a condiment on some of your food, though? Is that possible for BC? Or is that just a way for people to stay sane? I didn't see that listed as a possible choice for 'toppings' in the book... then again, they really didn't specify toppings, so I didn't use my head all that much either... ...again, another guy issue, eh?! "The INSTANT Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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believe2day Senior Member 
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STEVE Thanks sooo... much for sharing all your successful BC info. You're doing great so hang in there. Sounds like you are really turning alot of things around for yourself so keep your upbeat attitude, hold your head up, and be proud (but keep an eye in the mirror to watch for your skin turning green - boy you like green beans). I'm starting the New Instant Classic 11 Day BC today (one meal down already). Thanks again for the inspiration. Believe |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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Hi Believe! Thank you for your kind words! My adaptation is by no means perfect yet, but it has been extremely effective so far. Remember, if the foods don't fit your personal tastes, MODIFY MODIFY MODIFY! It's all about what you like (I'm a crazy guy... still wearing the leafy toga of green goodness) and what you can stomach for 11 days. Can I ask what you do for your exercise? Do you do the walking or have you done something besides the book's suggestion as well? What was your secret weapon during the 10-day cycle originally for food? Obviously, if you saw day 5 for me, it's MEAT! WOOOO HOOOOO!!!! ^_^ Seriously, BEST of luck on the new 11-day cycle, and I guarantee you that the extra day that you tacked on to give you a three day cheat weekend will be well worth it! Any questions or concerns, feel free to PM me and I will PM you as fast as humanly possible. Happy eating and best wishes -- OH!! Before I forget!!Sometimes eating all six meals is impossible for people!! There have been a few days where I've missed three of my meals due to being busy, and I get into a meal deficit. So at this point, what do you do? Your body starts to say, "WTF, Steve? You're not feeding me, so I'm going to slow down my metabolic rate a bit!!" It's days like this where you need to think outside the menu a bit, but JUST A BIT. Beyond Calories doesn't include bread, if you remember correctly. So what have I done to get myself back on track without hindering weight or even progress? The answer is simple: a six-inch veggie delight from Subway! Here's how I get mine prepped: 6-inch on white bread (remember; wheat or white doesn't matter from the original DG, OAT BRAN bread is your best bet, but for some reason, our subway doesn't carry it...) American Cheese Lettuce, tomato, pickles, black olives, MAYO, salt and pepper. You read that right, I put mayo on mine. MAYO! The fatty stuff you find in the big glass containers at the supermarket?! Yeah, that stuff!! YUM! You don't have to say 'light mayo' or 'heavy mayo', just 'mayo'. They'll get it. Now, with this size sandwich and the fixings, grab a diet soda either there or at home, eat slowly, and drink up! That'll be enough to get you back on your feet without damaging your progress towards your weight loss goal. Case and point? I missed three meals myself yesterday, and weighed in at 243 1/2. Went to subway, got everything I just mentioned, ate, continued my regular diet after that, yoga'd into the evening, woke up to see if I'd damaged my progress, and BAM! 242 3/4's. MODIFICATION folks. Responsible and simple modification. I hope this helps! Cheers and happy dieting!!"The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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letsGOcubs Distinguished Member
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STEVE~ Loved reading about your success on the BC diet. As part of my dieting, I have used it as well with "modification" My diet was day 1 on the BC, Day 2 Fruit day just like the rest of my pals on the DG. Day 3-7 BC; Day 8 Veggie day just like my pals on the DG and day 9-11 BC. Then cheat weekend. So all I did was leave off one of the BC days. I used 9 BC, A fruit and A veggie day. Misery loves company, so I wanted to share with the group here on F and V days. I am down 20 pounds from last May 11, 2008. I know that's not much, but I am now 134-135 lbs. and holding. I have tried to get a little lower than that, but I have not been successful. I'm a little frustrated because all I have been doing is losing my cheat weekend gain, so in essence I have been maintaining. But the biggest Positive is that I have not been GAINING! Love your posts and your sense of humor, so happy to have you as part of our IDIOT FAMILY!!! Cubs |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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'Ey Cubster! I love being an idiot! I never thought to incorporate a complete fruit day and a complete veggie day!!! I have a feeling that this would drastically improve my weight loss potential coupled with what I do already, so perhaps on my next cycle, I'll have to update my menu to give it a trial run. See?! I'm a dude. Dude's don't think THAT far outside the box! Never would have even dreamed to think about that approach. If it works, and mark my words, Cubster receives two push ups for every half a pound of weight lost on that diet cycle. GUARANTEED!!!!"The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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KatieA New Member
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I...destroyed my cheat day. Oh, it was so bad. So, so bad. My little cousin turned 16 yesterday, so there was a party with cake and pizza and junk and pizza...and pizza. Sigh. Time to get back on the horse, my friends. Wish me luck. |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Good luck Katie...back on the  .....no moreout! |
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webfairy Moderator
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Katie - You may have "fallen down", but you can get back up. When you are down there is no where to go but up, right? So get up, girlfriend, and get back in the saddle! You will be ok, really! Giddeeeeup! P.S. This is about strength, will power, and desire, not so much luck. I can wish you luck , but it's all up to YOU. If we make a mistake, as long as we learn from it, consider it a stepping stone. You CAN do it! |
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dominoe_girl20 New Member
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Hi all! I have been on the Fl4i diet generator for about 2 months now and am now switching to beyond calories. I have a question, when it says 1 food from group 1 and one food from group 4 does that mean I HAVE to eat from both groups or can I just eat from one??? And also if it says 4 foods from group such and such does that mean I have to have all 4 foods or can i have just 1? ??? Thanks in advance! |
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agl3591 Distinguished Member 
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TheNewInstantClassic wrote: "... "My diet plan of choice is, of course, Beyond Calories, ..." "That's all for now... Thank you SO much for listening! WELL, BUTTER MY BUTT AND CALL ME A BISCUIT! LOOK WHO'S HERE!  Steve! What a motivation!!!!! WHERE IN THE WORLD HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING???OKAY, so, I feel like I just lost 100 pounds just reading your post! That was exhausting- but INVIGORATING! WOW! I can almost believe I can lose 40 pounds in a month (which is my goal), but age and sex are going to slow me down. You are almost HALF my age and I'm a woman, so 40 pounds will NOT fall of me that quickly. HOWEVER, I AM motivated! I just started my second cycle of DG- the first cycle I lost 7.5 lbs. It took me 2 days to lose 5 (everyone knows that's fluid) and then 9 days to lose 2.5 lbs. My expectations for this next cycle are no more than 5 lbs total, hopefully. I will say, not just to you, Steve, but to EVERYONE reading- I initially started the BC way back when and lost 7 pounds in 6 days. By the end of the 10 days, I was down close to 10 pounds, but I switched over to the DG because of the NUMEROUS meals on the BC. BUT...like I said, I think I might switch back to the BC after this cycle. BTW- have you ever heard of the Body Blade? My husband just found his - he forgot he had it (prior to our marriage). I thought I might give it a try. |
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letsGOcubs Distinguished Member
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Dominoe~ I believe that you can eat one item per meal if that is what you prefer. However, if you have only 2 items listed, I think the idea is that you're not supposed to eat 3 or more. Hope that answers your question........Cubs |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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OK. I may consider doing the BC at some point but not sure if I have it or not. Are these the food choices for BC...or is this something different: PROTEIN FOODS Lean Roast Beef Cottage Cheese (low fat)Eggs (scrambled, hard-boiled)Broiled Flounder (non breaded)Tofu Products (non breaded)Soy Products (non breaded)Egg Salad (use non fat mayo)Chicken (Skinless)Lean Turkey Lean Ham Lean Beef Broiled Halibut (non breaded)Broiled Orange Roughy (non breaded)Tuna Salad (use non fat mayo)Mixed Nuts (salted or unsalted)CARB FOODS Mixed Salad (only lettuce, tomatoes, andveggies allowed) *Dressing should be Low Cal dressing. Use sparingly, you should not smother the salad with too much dressing. Bread (should be "oat" or "bran" type breadonly) Mixed Vegetables (fresh or frozen)Fresh Apples Fresh Pears Fresh Peaches Fresh Plums Fresh Kiwi Fruit Fresh Grapefruit Fresh Oranges Fresh Apricots |
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agl3591 Distinguished Member
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YOOOOOOHOOOOO STEVE! Did you see my post from yesterday????? |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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agl3591 wrote:TheNewInstantClassic wrote:"..."My diet plan of choice is, of course, Beyond Calories, ...""That's all for now... Thank you SO much for listening! Hey AG! I'm SOOOO sorry I haven't responded quickly. I'm a volunteer in Minneapolis for a food shelf and I get quite busy with that, so please pardon my tardiness with my responses!! Don't destroy me!!!Age and sex are only an excuse ***WINK***. You can do absolutely ANYTHING that you put your mind to. Granted, 40 lbs in a month for me was a PHENOMENAL result, the likes that I'll never see again. But even in this cycle when it's supposed to slow down, where people usually only see a 2 or 3 pound drop, I'm at a 5 pound loss, going for six before my cycle ends on friday! You know like all the others here, it's all about results. And dang it, WE GET 'EM!Body Blade? What the heck is that?? I'm not sure what a body blade is. The only blades I know about cut me. I don't wanna be cut in half. I like being whole. That way I can have more whacky conversations with my body to post in the general discussion boards. PM me and tell me about it!! Then I can tell you what I use. NOW! To go and answer the questions of a young and upcoming superstar in the general boards!! Happy losing, and NICE TALKING TO YOU!! PM ME!! "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN PS = WAY TO GO on your losses! Keep that motivation up and keep it coming off!! PPS = Just... stop before you're all skin and bones. That would not be very good, I assume? |
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agaefta New Member
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Hi Anyar! I noticed that you offered to send some Beyond Calories spreadsheets to other members. Would you mind sending them over to me? I am new to this type of diet, but I really think I could stick to BC! Just don't have much info about how it works. Please email me at mausees @ yahoo.com Thank you much! |
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agl3591 Distinguished Member
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HI Y'ALL! The STORY O' THE DAY has been posted over at http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=8321&forum_id=3&jump_to=120237 Come on over! |
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agl3591 Distinguished Member
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HI Y'ALL! The STORY O' THE DAY is now posted over at the Nonfat Chat at the Conversation Cafe. http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=8321&forum_id=3&jump_to=120237 Come on over! |
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dominoe_girl20 New Member
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Hi all! I absoulutly LOVE this diet so far! Today is my 4th day on Beyond calories diet and I love it! I had been on the diet generator for about 3 months and lost a total of 18 lbs and since I have started this way of eating I have lost 4 more!!!!! I love that I can finally choose exactly what I want to eat instead of being given a menu! How is everyone else doing on this diet??? |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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Dominoe, in a word... SUCCESSFUL! "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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Could someone let me know if I have the Beyond Calorie part? I have the diet handbook and it has 10 rules and a carb list and protein list. It also gives a list of what meals to eat each day such as Day 1...eat 3 carb meals and 1 protein meal. Is this right? I am not sure if I want to switch however, I have ended each of the past 3 cycles at the same weight. Some of that is my fault, I realize. I would just like to look at BC. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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snord, you don't have the BC diet, you had to pay an extra $16 to get it. there are some here who paid for the enditre package so if you want you can have someone email it to you. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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When you have choice of fruit and veggies for a meal you can combine broccoli, limes, garlic. Sautee the broccoli and crushed garlic and sautee them in olive oil flavored cooking spray and squeeze some fresh lemon juice. Another tasty option is crushed garlic, yellow squash, zucchini and sliced bell peppers. Spray olive oil spray on the veggies and grill them until tender. I've tried the above cobinations on my veggie days on the DG but with all the options available on BC, I'll be sure to fix these often when I do my first cycle. Any seasonings are ok as long they're calorie free. Last edited on 22 February 2009 09:18 pm by omayra |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Wow...two more wonderful recipes...I think you should post these ideas over to the recipe thread...many are looking for quick, simple, easy and delicious...I think these are just the ticket to a quick but wonderful dish! Thanks again OM!SS |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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You're welcome, I have a few veggie day recipes I've posted in the past on the recipe board. I just posted the grilled veggies one. |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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Omayra's on a roll with this stuff!! I really appreciate the foods you're bringing to the board with ya. ^_^ Can't wait to cook them up myself!! ...and for those keeping score at home, yes I DO cook! XD Guys can be cooks if they wanna be too, ya know!"The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I must say, this is the perfect plan for dieters with family at home. You can combine the proteins with the fruits and veggies pretty much everyday, unlike the DG. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member 
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Hi everyone! I'm new to this thread, (always in the general dis) But I had a question for any of you who have done the DG and switched to the BC...or the other way around? I've been doing the DG since July and have been doing really well....just kinda hit a wall these last couple cycles, and would like to do the BC maybe a cycle or 2 to re-rev things up...Has anyone done this and had good results? Thanks ahead of time for your help! Hugs~Zeva |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Zeva...others can respond but I did BC for two cycles when I hit a plateau...I lost the first BC cycle but the second cycle was another plateau. I had a hard time eating all the items listed 6 times a day. Some have said that you don't have to eat everything...but I thought that was how they made it work. Now that I am more experienced with the diet perhaps I could have made it work better. I will reread it sometime to see what can be tweaked. I really missed the frozen yogurt and oatmeal after two cycles and was glad to return to the DG...which was good. You might want to PM Hiker...she started out DG but then switched to BC and lost all her weight doing an altered BC. She's a great gal would help you out! Hugs S S |
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bailey24 Senior Member
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Hi everyone I decided To give the BC a try. I don't know if Iwill be able to eat all six meals. I thought because I am working from home now that it would be possible. Also, I thought that there are so many choices it could be a good thing to stick to when you travel and I will be traveling some in the next few months. So here I go..... first meal down grapes and peaches!!! Bailey |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Thanks Sunshine....I think my main question is, that the premise of the diet is that you are spacing your meals out even more, eating less calories per meal, to trick your body into burning more per meal...WELL, if you go back to the DG, only 4 meals, will you gain even more weight because your body is used to having less calories per meal? I just dont want to undo what I have worked so hard for, for so many months...... Hey Bailey! Good luck trying the BC.....be sure to let us know in the general discussion how you are doing with this cycle! SO many have been motivated by Steve, and Babycakes! (including me! LOL...) |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Zeva..I do not think your metabolism would slow down on BC...in fact eating more often may just give it a kick in the pants....it might shake things up for you...so don't be afraid to try it...it is only one cycle..then you'll know!SS Last edited on 23 February 2009 08:24 pm by sunshine |
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believe2day Senior Member
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Already posted this in the General Discussion Thread so it's too long, don't read again: OMG SUNSHINE, I just took a very thorough look through the BC rules and you're right it doesn't mention water. It does however state daily right next to which day your on for example "For Day #10 you're going to eat 6 Meals." It also says in the red box at the end of each days information "that you should eat about HALF of what you would normally crave- - - because remember that you're now eating 6 meals per day (not 3 meals)" But what about the water?? STEVE - ARE YOU OUT THERE? Did you drink the tons of water during your BC cycles? Also, you can eat the meals in any order. It states that each day after the 6 Meals are listed. I've really been good about the 6 meals while out and about. My best tip would be mini zipper plastic bags (I get them at one of the dollar stores). Good size for portion control and I just put in a variety of things that are in my meals for that day, cut, if need be, into finger food size. OK like cheese cubes, nuts, hardboiled egg, shrimp with tail, deli slices rolled and cut, cherry tomatoes, pepper strips, half apple, half pear, grapes (going to freeze some and it will keep other stuff cool too), orange segments, radish, pickles, berries, whatever is in your meal that will fit in the bags. I than close all those little plastic bags (except the nuts) into an insulated lunch bag with one of those frozen pouches and munch the miles away (spacing my meals evenly apart of course). So for travel it works just great, except I've been kicking myself about not drinking much water. And, maybe I don't have to. I know it's good for you, keeps our skin hydrated and so younger looking but the pit stops are killer. Would be real interested what others think about the water and BC. Thanks for pointing that out SUNSHINE Hugs, Believe |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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Bailey, lemme put it to ya this way... I drank so much water that all my innards were floating! I think my kidneys are the cleanest they've been in YEARS! Actually I make it my habit - albeit annoying habit - to drink enough water during the day time to actually need to go to the bathroom once every half hour, then I scale back... then I pick it up again, then go back. A good weapon to have is gum! If you underestimated your calorie total, a piece of gum will give your mouth something to play with until your next meal... I've personally never had a problem having too little, for some reason. Do EVERYTHING you need to in that first cycle moreso as an asessment cycle. Don't worry about losing MASS amounts of weight until you've mastered what'll be 'just enough' and 'not enough', how much water to drink, etc. Again, I have so much faith in this diet that I went from 236 to 245 on my cheat weekend. It's now tuesday night, and I already weigh in at 236 on the button. BC will take care of ya! ....ya just gotta make your kidneys swim a little bit. "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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TheNewInstantClassic New Member
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PS - I now go in 4 lbs. incriments to my next goal, even if I overshoot it. The last cycle, my goal was 242, and I hit 236. This cycle my goal is 232... Hopefully I'll hit the 220's... I haven't been 220 since High School, and that was 10 years ago. XD "The NEW Instant Classic" Steve Anderson Minneapolis, MN |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I set up my bc menu. Though I'll most likely start BC once I'm moved and settled, I decided to plan my menu. Rather than making a menu of particular foods I just wrote when I get to eat proteins fruits and veggies since the groups consist as follows: Group 1 Fruits Group 2 Proteins Group 3 Veggies Group 4 Fruits Proteins Veggies It takes me an entire day to do a menu of particular foods so doing it this way is easier. For intance, this what I planned for day 1: Day 1 Meal #1 2 fruits Meal #2 2 proteins Meal #3 1 protein 1 fruit Meal #4 3 veggies 1 protein Meal #5 2 fruits Meal #6 2 fruits |
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Learningful New Member
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Hello. I'm a new member about to launch into the Beyond Calories plan, and I really appreciate the posts of meal plans I've seen here. However, I do have a question that I haven't seen an answer to (although I must admit I haven't read ALL the posts in this forum.): As others have noted, Food group #4 contains all the foods in the other 3 groups. So, I'm having a little difficulty understanding the meaning of a Daily Meal Schedule that prescribes zero foods from food group #4 (eg. Days 3,4,7 &8) when the foods that are listed in the prescribed Groups are also in Group 4. Conversly, Days 5-10 prescribe zero foods from Group 1 -- but all of these foods are also in Group 4, so can they be chosen or not? To put a finer point on the question: Day 5, Meal #2 prescribes 2 foods from Group 4. Could I have fruit, even though they are food group 1? Thanks for your help. |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Hi and welcome....Look at it this way and it will make sense. Instead of group 1....think FRUIT...or F Instead of group 2 ...think Proteins...or P Instead of group 3...think veggies...or V Instead of group 4....think ANY(F,V or P) or A Day one FF PP PA VVVP FF FF So just choose two different fruits meal 1. For meal three...choose one protein and one from ANY list...so it could be a fruit, veg or another protein choice. Whenever you have ANY(group 4)...you can choose whatever you want....just follow the plan and choose from the groups prescribed at each meal from the food lists. I do find the Diet Generator much simpler and easier... you choose the items from the food lists at the beginning of each cycle and then they tell you exactly what to eat at each meal for the whole cyclel(4 meals per day instead of 6 like the BC) If you get lost in overthinking and too many choices like many of us do...the fl4i DG is better...no thinking involvedI hope this helps. S SLast edited on 8 March 2009 07:46 pm by sunshine |
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Learningful New Member
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Thanks for you prompt response and guidance Sunshine. Very helpful. I'll check in periodically to add my experience to our shared database. Thanks again. |
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slea New Member
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Hi! I am planning to follow Beyond Calories but i am not sure if there is a new meal schedule after ten days or shall i restart the current schedule i have???? |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Welcome Slea...you just start over...you can take a day off or just start again...there is only the one menu formfor Beyond Calories....the Diet Generator varies each cycle S S |
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Learningful New Member
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Another question: Anyone know why carrots don't show up in Food Group 3? Thanks |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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LF...Cooked carrots are high glycemic (raw are better)... that may be why they are not listed so that people choose low glycemic veggies for quicker losses....perhaps some would only eat carrots because they don't like green veggies S S |
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slea New Member
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Thanks for the quick reply. I have one more question, in calory or protein based diets, fat loss slows down after a period , bec the body adapts the cuurent situation. this is why the dietician reduces calory intake, so you start to lose weight again. if there is only one 10 day schedule in B.C how will it be possible to continue losing weight?bec every intake will remain the same?? |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Slea...these (BC, DG and 10 rules) plans are not based on daily calorie counts being say,1000 calories, or so...these plans switch high and low calorie days and high and low carb days and high and low protein days...this keeps the metabolism fired up. If you take a day between cycles and eat normally...it will confuse the body even more...and help your losses. BTW...(The DG gives you three days off between cycles and varies each cycle abit. SS |
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wrwolf Senior Member 
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AHHHHHHH!!! I didn't realize I don't have a cheat weekend on BC! It's working very well for me, but I'm going to take a day or so for bread! and oatmeal! and frozen yoghurt! and maybe even potatoes! Peggy SV |
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slea New Member
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This is my 4th day in B.C and i have lost 1.5 kg (3.31 ibs i think) so far, do you think it is ok? sometimes i choose only 1 food from the meal list rather than 2, or 2 foods rather than 3 because i dont want to eat, is it wrong to do like that? |
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wrwolf Senior Member
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Sorry, this is just my first go-round. I figured since they listed it that way, I should eat it that way, even if only a little bit. Peggy SV |
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wrwolf Senior Member
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I checked back in older posts. Steve makes it 11 days, he re-does day 1, then has a 3 day cheat weekend. Peggy SV |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Slea...actually you ARE supposed to eat all 6 meals and a little of each item listed...this is how they shift the calories, proteins and carbs. You may lose without doing this...but to be true to the diet...that is how is supposed to work the best! S S |
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webfairy Moderator
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Slea - Hello and welcome! What the diet says is that if it says to choose one food from group whatever, and another choice from another group, you should eat something from each of the groups listed. Or if it says eat two foods from one group, then that is what I would do. What is confusing is that it does not say eat UP TO two foods, etc. It is not clear if you can eat ONLY one of the foods if it says eat two, but I agree with Sunshine, and would do exactly what it says. As far as how often to do the 10 days, this is what the BC diet says: If you want to continue losing weight then you may begin again from DAY #1 immediately after you finish with Day #10 (but you don't have to begin again, it's your choice). ... If you want to take a break before continuing the diet another time, then take 1 or 2 days off and eat normally. So you can start right away after Day 10, or you can wait 1-2 days and then start again. That is what the diet states. Steve altered it by doing 11 days and taking 3 off, but that is not what the BC diet says. So its up to you to see what works for you. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I decided to start BC this coming Monday. There's a lot of fruit in the fridge I need to eat down and since in a few days I'm moving out of state, there's no sense in buying a DG's cycle's worth of groceries. I just posted some recipes I found online that can be used on BC if you modify them properly to suit the plan if you all care to check the recipes section. |
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MissouriGirl New Member
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My sister and I both just did a BC cycle and had great results. I lost 8 pounds and she lost 13. I think that I did not eat enough. I know that sounds weird, but I know I should have a little more and I didn't always fit 6 meals in either. I started FL4I on January 5 and did 3 cycles, then did a BC cycle and am down a total of 18 pounds and have maintained that for over a week now. I still want to lose 30 pounds but am taking a break from this for a couple of weeks. I am kind of stuck eating the same foods. I had a couple of functions last week and then spring break this week where I know that I will be out of town and not able to follow the program. SO, I am just going to try and make wise choices and then pick back up with DG in a week or so. Hopefully, I will be able to maintain and then start off with a bang. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I'm starting my first BC cycle today after gaining back 9 pounds over the weekend. I have an out of state move coming up so it might be hard not to deviate but I'll do my best to stick with it. I weighed in at about 162.2. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Omayra, I'm doing another cycle of BC starting today, so we'll be together! Keep me posted on how you like it! |
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MandaLee New Member 
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Okay, I keep seeing all these great things about BC, but I didn't get it when I ordered FL4I - they say hindsight is 20/20. Can someone post the BC plans/details or email it to me? |
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Brownie New Member
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Dear Omayra, Am wondering where to go to see the posted recipes you found online that can be modified to fit the bc diet? Cheers |
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Jane Distinguished Member
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Om, Zeva and everyone, what do you think about me doing a cycle of BC? Will I get the same loss as DG? Any top tips?? Jane |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Hi Jane! I am on my second cycle of BC and I really like it. I do miss my Frozen Yogurt...but that is THE only thing I miss. I love the choices, and the flow with your mood menu. I lost just over 6 pounds the first cycle, and have gotten down just over 7 so far, and am on day 8. I take the first day, and just add it on to the end to make 11, and take the 3 days off....I think if you are able to eat 6 times a day, you will have great results. If you have any more questions, you can always PM me if you need. |
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Jane Distinguished Member
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Thanks Zeva I read through it all last night and have decided to do it from Monday 30th - I am away in London this weekend. I will PM you if I need help!! I really appreciate that. I am guessing you need to eat very little, on the 4 meals on protein days I am never hungry. Thanks again Jane |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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It took me a while to figure out what portions to eat at first. If I was eating meat, it was easy...I love lentils and cheese, and that was the hard one to gauge how much to eat. I eat a lot...I have to confess, so for me I tried to eat half of what I would on the DG, and I was still hungry. I added just slightly more, and that has been perfect. Have a great holiday in London! Talk to you soon. Zeva~ |
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Jane Distinguished Member
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I like lentils too and always have them on cheat weekends - I make dahl or soup - so seeing them on the list made me very happy!! Looking forward to London, going with 5 French friends who all speak some English but I have told them they have to speak and not me!! J x |
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Jane Distinguished Member
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First day on BC so far so good. A quick question, can I use spices, herbs and stock cubes? Thanks Jane |
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cheetah Senior Member 
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Well, lost 5 lbs first cycle Lost 5 lbs 2nd cycle (weighed last Friday morning), then gained back 3 lbs (weighed this morning)on cheetah days But from reading the forum, doesn't sound too out of line, so I'll just start up with new, 3rd cycle today and see what happens PS: My Bride did about the same. Last edited on 30 March 2009 06:30 pm by cheetah |
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Brandi Member 
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cheetah...from what i've read on BC or Fl4i it is normal to gain back a little on cheat days. I guess the more you cheat the more that you gain back. I lost 5 pounds on my 1st cycle and gained all of them back after my cheat weekend. I am nearing the end of my 2nd cycle and I am still trying to get back to the original 5 pound loss...don't worry... you'll lose them fast.I have learned my lesson not to go crazy on cheat weekends anymore. good luck Brandi |
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webfairy Moderator
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Cheetah - I never had one cycle where I did not lose my CD weight and then more. If I gained a bit more, I lost a bit more and visa versa. That was my experience. Overall, you lose more than just your cheat gains. Many times, much more, sometimes a little more. But you do lose, so that is what will keep you going. I think you will see how you do after cheat days and a few cycles, and you can gage yourself by that. I am glad you both are hanging in there! Tell your bride I said hello and we will all have to get together for dinner one day soon (on your cheat days, of course!). No tequila, though! But wine would be great! |
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cheetah Senior Member
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Web, missed you Friday; C & J said you almost made it, then had change of plans. Similar food to the "tequila party". I will say hello to my Bride for you. Yes, we'd certainly enjoy a nice dinner w/o the demon liquor, a good wine is always nice Yup, reading, cruising the site, it appears my fluctuation before and after CD is pretty common; and again as you say over and over, it's not just pounds lost. Heck, I'm now wearing pants that haven't been out of their drawers in years! Last edited on 31 March 2009 07:27 am by cheetah |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Cheetah...good for you on the loose pants!!! That is a good sign of success and a smaller waist is a sign of better health! S S |
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webfairy Moderator
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Cheetah - That is great that you are fitting into pants you have not worn in a while! Sunshine is always stressing that people should find a tight outfit (if not measure) as you will see the difference as the fat is melting off. Sorry I missed you both on Friday. We had family coming in for my bfs bday Saturday and too much to do to get ready without giving it away (as it was a surprise). But I am looking forward to another night... just let us know! |
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persimmon rose New Member 
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Hope someone can help me with quantity on this. I am finishing my 2nd day on the bc & am wondering if I am eatting too much??? I am not eatting till satisfied, but not sure if I am eatting only half of what I normally would... This is what I had today.. 8oz low sodium v8 juice 50 cal (I know this is kinda a sub but I am having trouble chewing veggies still) 2 eggs 2 slices american cheese scrambled cottage cheese (6oz) with strawberries (5 or so small ones) 1/2- 3/4 cup fresh coleslaw salmon patty with lettuce (salmon with minced onion & alittle egg only) 4" diameter1/4 " thick 1 peach & 2 small plums I am drinking my water & feel great..but does that look like too much food. I could try to cut it all in half & see if I am starving... What do you think? Prose |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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PR...that does not seem like too much to me....are you getting a little hungry by the next meal? You should be almost ready to eat again if you ate the right amount. Some days we are much more hungry than others so that is why we have to listen to our body signals and not just portion control. Some days you may want very little food and other days larger portions...at least this is how my body works. The beauty of these plans is that we learn to listen to how much we need and not feel limited. As long as we are not doing emotional eating/bingeing...then the body is pretty accurate in what it knows it needs each day...if we are drinking enough water(thirst masquerades as hunger.) I hope this helps. S S |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Thanks Sunshine! I am not eatting until too full by anymeans. As on the DG some times I thought I possibly ate alittle too much. I am looking forward to my next meal & hungry so maybe I am okay. I might weigh in tomorrow & see how I am compared to where I started. I could also try to cut some things, like do only 1 egg 1 cheese & see how I feel. Also these first few days are alot of fruit so I know the days with more or all protein meals I will not eat as much since those fill you up more. I have to remember that the next meal is not far away. I think I like the plan so far as I can pick what I "feel like" eatting or what I have on hand. Thanks for the response. How are you ~ are you doing another cycle or on maintenance? Prose |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Morning everyone! Well I am so thrilled...I am down 3.1 pounds this cycle!!! Today is day 3 for me on the BC. I will try to watch my portions closer, but maybe I was doing just fine which absolutely thrills me!So I am back to my end weight of my first cycle so I am so excited . The second cycle was a bust for me as I was very very bad about cheating here & there & TOM arriving.Hope you all do great today! Prose |
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believe2day Senior Member
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Hello BCers!! Well, even with the BLT's I'm guilty of I've lost 20 lbs. this week. . . . APRIL FOOLS!!!The only part of that statement that is true is I AM GUILTY OF THE BLTs (Bits Licks Tastes) not to mention the cheats. I'm embarrassed that my start date is back in November and I am only down 10 lbs. NEWBIES - TAKE NOTE THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN TRUE TO THIS DIET - THEREFORE THE LESS THAN STELLAR WEIGHT LOSS. Well today is a new day and so far so good. I'm doing Day 10 of the BC and will weigh in tomorrow on Day 1. I am going away over the Easter weekend so I'll have Days 9, 10, 1, & 2 (which I find to be more tolerant when out and about). Will be posting regularly and hope I can do this site (and me) proud from here on! My best friends son is getting married June 13 and I would love to wear a pretty and smaller dress. I do like the BC (I'm a grazer ) although I am finding that when I'm busy with something I'll forget to eat when I'm supposed to. Maybe a watch with an alarm ?! Let's face it I have had problems and then that thing called life keeps happening. Oh well, wish me luck.Zeva - thanks for your note and I will be here nearly every day. You all will keep me on the right track. BTW awsome losses you have had on the BC. Keep it up!! Jane - this is what I have to keep right in front of me and maybe it will help with your spicing things up question. So I think that with a protein item herbs, mustard, should be OK. And as long as the broth is less than 10 cal. why not!? *All fish must be NON breaded. No sauces or toppings are allowed on fish except lemon juice and seasoning salts. *Tuna Salad can be prepared using any of the following: Tuna, lowfat mayo, mustard, celery, onions, and tomatoes. No bread is allowed. *All deli style meats (pastrami, ham, roast beef, etc.) can be either "full fat" or "lean", it doesn't matter. You may use mustard and seasoning salts on these meats, but no other toppings or sauces are allowed. *Egg Salad can be prepared using any of the following: Diced Eggs, lowfat mayo, mustard, celery, onions, and tomatoes. No bread is allowed. *When the menu allows vegetables you can create your own SALADS using these vegetables (if you want to). However, you are only allowed 2 tablespoons of LOW CAL SALAD DRESSING per meal when doing this. Other toppings (such as croutons) are not allowed. *When Fruit is listed on the menu it always means FRESH FRUIT (except for prunes, you may eat packaged prunes). Fruit Juice is not allowed on this diet, and it's not the same as eating fresh fruit. PerRose, Cheetah & Bride, Brandi - WhooHoo!! Good losses!! Aloha OM, Hi KITTYand howdy to anyone else reading and reading and reading. I am the long winded, BelievePS - Instant Classic, Have you totally wasted away? |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I'm sorry I haven't posted on here for a while. Since I moved it's gotten harder to log back on but I've found more time now that they reinstalled my internet service. I'm trying to get back on the DG but there's always some social function lately that causes me to deviate so I'm taking it easy for now and weighing now and then to keep my weight in check. As long as I don't gain past 165, I'll be ok since that's still normal weight for me. I'm at 162 now after weighing in at 153 around early March. Anyway, a while back I mentioned Walden Farms products. They're calorie free condiments, fruit/veggie dips, spreads, sauces and dressings that are surprisingly good. They're perfect for all the FL4I plans. They even have calorie free pasta sauce! You can buy them here, http://www.waldenfarms.com or at your local grocery store. My personal favorite are their chocolate dip and their peanut spread. |
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Today is day 2 for me on BC..and seems this post has died down a bit...any advice for me? whats the average weight lose for you all the first go around? I have about 30 pounds to loose... |
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Brownie New Member
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Hi, I did two rounds. One on beyond Calories and the other on the flfi routine. Both were very good. I did not however weigh myself. My only goal was for my pants to fit looser. ...and they did! I am perhaps not the best example as I have some nagging 5-10 pounds to lose and they are verrry slow to gooo. HOwever, I really enjoyed the simplicity of the program. Nourishing food made it so managable. I would like to share a favorite recipe that I think should be copyrighted and I would make millions on this one recipe alone!!! Basically it turns a main food group into dessert. YUM YUM It is a cottage cheese pudding. Here's the recipe: 1 tub 500g of UNSALTED cottage cheese. 1/2 teaspoon vanilla. 1/4 teaspoon Stevia powder. ( super sweet natural sweetener- healthy and NO calories) or if you like, maple syrup to taste. Blend in a high power blender and voila. DELICIOUSO vanilla pudding. I also do variations with adding cocoa ( 1-2 tbsn or adding lemon juice and rind) Slightly freeze it for a malt or ice cream substitute. WOW nothing better except maybe the 'real thing' There you go. A high protein meal that tastes like dessert!! Let me know how it goes. |
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reeldreamr Distinguished Member
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Thanks so much! I will definitely give it a try! |
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reeldreamr Distinguished Member
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Thanks so much! I will definitely give it a try! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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This is day 1 on BC today. I had lost about 26 lbs when I started on the DG last summer but I gained 20 lbs back this past month! I'm weighing in at 170.4. Most of it is water weight and I'm sure I'll lose the first few lbs pretty quickly. Yesterday was the most junk I've eaten. I had a quesadilla platter at Chili's with their "sweet shots" for dessert and several glasses of their strawberry lemonade. Throughout the day I had 10 slices of pizza, a bottle of Mike's Hard lemonade, a beer, a shot of gin with sprite and a shot of rum with Coke. Earlier that morning I weighed about 165 so I'm sure by tomorrow morning I'll be back there again. It took me a while to have breakfast this morning cause around 5am this morning I still felt bloated. I had a hard time sleeping too. It sure is great to be eating healthy again though. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Good to have you back Omayra! I'm sure you will have great losses this cycle, and be back to your 25 pound loss in no time! Good luck! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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For breakfast I had bacon and eggs and for lunch I had my version of "crustless pizza" posted on the recipes section here. I made it with a burger patty, calorie free pasta sauce, and mozzarella cheese since I had to eat 2 proteins. I guess ground beef counts as sausage right? |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I doubt I'll be eating 6 meals. I'll eat a minimum of 4 depending on the time I wake up. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I wonder what happened to Instant Classic. I liked his input on this plan. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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OM, I sub GB for sausage occasionally.... not too often, but haven't had any problems so far... You mentioned frozen fruit in drinks...and it reminded me one thing I have been doing since it warmed up, is when the menu calls for 2 fruits, I have frozen fruit for a snack, and it is just wonderful! My favorite is cherries and mangos... I buy them at Trader Joes...Yummmy! I eat at least 5 meals a day....its hard on the weekends since I wake up later, but weekdays are easy to get in 6....I hope the BC works well for you....I find it easier to follow because of the flexiblility...your not subbing, because you are allowed whatever you want from the list. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Me too! He was so full of energy, and had some really great results to motivate us! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Zeva, most of my fruits and veggies I bought for this plan are frozen. They're cheaper and keep longer. I don't think I've ever had to buy so much produce for a diet. I bought cream cheese and brie as well to combine with the fruits. I think I'll bake my frozen berries with some splenda and have it with some cream cheese or brie for a snack tonight. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Om, one of my favorite combos when I get 2 from group 4 is to have fresh strawberries and brie! Soooooo good. It feels like such a treat, it couldn't possibly be dieting! Have you read the cottage cheese posting? You mix cottage cheese with splenda, cinnamon, and a splash of vanilla....it's like having dessert. I am so glad I came across this idea, since we can't have the frozen yogurt. It is like heaven. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hey you guys..speaking of the sweeted cottage cheese we are hooked on..what do you think of that protein only cheese cake recipe in the recipe section? It is cream cheese, egg, splenda & vanilla I think. You bake individual ones in cup cake liners. I know cream cheese is not "actually" on the menu but what do you think? For cheese are you having feta, blue cheese & we know the brie.. so maybe far fetched but sounds sooo yummy! Prose |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hey OM ~ How was that pizza crust recipe? It looks interesting & I am thinking of trying it this weekend. I had a couple cheats earlier this cycle so trying to stick very close to plan..but this weekend is my CD!!! Prose |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Persimmon rose, the 'pizza' tasted pretty good. I think next time I'll mix the 'crust' ingredients raw and then bake it and maybe it'll stick better. When I browned the meat as the recipe instructed, the crust came apart. I think if I bake the crust in the oven first then add the toppings towards the last 5 minutes or so, it should taste great. It looks to me like on all the plans on this program cheese is cheese. Since there's not very specific, I eat all my favorite cheeses. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Hey Prose! All the recipes sound pretty good...the pizza crust, and the cheesecakes.....I think for now, while on the plan, I will stick with the single protiens when called for...maybe a 4 from group 4 on say, day 6......these things would be ok. I think for us who have been on the plan for a while....(like me...hehehe) trying new things to make things more interesting is ok within reason. It doesn't seem like cream cheese would be any different than the others....so probably ok. When I finally get to the place where I am happy with my weight...not sure when that will be yet...I'm playing it by ear for now, I will be including all these great ideas to maintain. The less refined stuff we have, the less likely we will regain! Prose, let me know how the pizza works for you, and how you like it....I'm dying to know! And baking it till almost done before adding the toppings sounds like a very good idea! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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z1434eva wrote: Om, one of my favorite combos when I get 2 from group 4 is to have fresh strawberries and brie! Soooooo good. It feels like such a treat, it couldn't possibly be dieting! Have you read the cottage cheese posting? You mix cottage cheese with splenda, cinnamon, and a splash of vanilla....it's like having dessert. I am so glad I came across this idea, since we can't have the frozen yogurt. It is like heaven. I bought a box of fresh strawberries just to have it with brie. I usually eat brie with fruit preserves or jam though. I read about the cottage cheese. I've never like cottage cheese that much but I'm very likely to try that with cream cheese. I bet it'll be even more delicious topped with berries |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Om, I was never a big fan of cottage cheese either, until this! I never chose it on the DG....I'm sure your way with berries would be delicious! (very rich!) The idea with the sparkling punch in the general discussion sounded really good! I have added seltzer water to crystal light many times...but never thought to add fruit on fruit day, or when fruit was allowed! How are you liking it so far? I love day 1 with all the fruit.....I love adding it to the end of the cycle, just fro that reason...lighten up the last day! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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It's my second day and I like it so far. When I had to eat 3 foods from group 3 and 1 from group 2, I cooked some chicken breast strips, broccoli, onions, and garlic with some calorie free asian dressing to make a stir fry. It was ok, but it would've tasted better with some stir fry sauce but obviously, it wasn't allowed. Next time I'll use pepper strips instead of broccoli and use some olive oil spray and garlic salt instead. It looks like I'll be experimenting more with veggies today. I'll save the higher protein meals for later in the day, like when my DH comes back from work, because that way, I can fix the same thing for the both of us at dinner time. I lost 4 pounds yesterday. It was water weight of course. I still felt relieved. I was shocked when I saw that I was 170 again My MIL one time sugggested I try spaghetti squash instead of pasta. Now I just might try it. I found several recipes for fresh tomato sauce. Here's a video demo on how to make one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciTBpVv80Ww Today, I get 4 foods from the veggie group. If I had the ingredients I'd make the sauce with ripe tomatoes, garlic, onions and mushrooms over spaghetti squash. I'd use bottled sauce but that has added sugar, some don't but it might still be deviating with some of the extra ingredients. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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For my 3rd meal I had macamia nuts because I had a bag on hand while I was out running an errand. I just finished my 4th meal, which was celery stalks. I know that I was supposed to eat 3 veggies on my last meal but I was getting full. I was supposed to have a protein and a veggie for my 3rd meal. I'm sure it'll work just as well. Later this evening I'm going to eat a papaya. |
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reeldreamr Distinguished Member
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Hi All Day 4 here and lost .8... I Suppose better than nothing right? I have a question though...the last 2 meals i have combined to have a HUGE salad with all my veggies (one meal) and cheese and almonds (one meal)...is that ok? |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Good morning RD......If it is an all veggie meal you have....then only veggies you can eat. The diet does allow us some dressing, but nothing else must be added. How are your portions otherwise? You may need to cut back slightly on portions. Because we are eating 6 meals....2 hours or so apart.....we don't need to eat as much at each sitting....also, are you drinking enough water? .8 is nothing to sneeze at! You've got the scales moving in the right direction.....that is a great thing! Just watch the combos closely....you'll be fine! |
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reeldreamr Distinguished Member
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Hi z1434eva Thanks for replying ! I am drinking enough water for sure... I am just wondering if combining the meals to make a salad will hurt me...I mean I would have to have the veggies before bed anyway so putting them as one is not a good idea at all you are saying? I should instead eat again later on? I know it sounds self explanatory but I wanted to triple check so I don't mess this up..I just love my cheese salad so much and it made sense to a degree but then it didn't since I am supposed to eat 6 meals and then I only ate 5 that way... |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Hi RD....you aren't suppose to combine your meals...Sometimes it is hard to get all 6 meals in, and I have gone days with only eating 5....once or twice, even 4.....The meals are planned seperately for whatever reason....eat only what is there for each meal. By adding, you are defeating the purpose of the calorie shifting. I know it can be a little confusing at first, but once you get the hang of it...it will be a piece of cake. Maybe try a stir fry, or a coleslaw, maybe even a simple homemade tomato soup, when you have a veggie meal. Protein meals are my favorite, and seem to be the easiest for me.... The second half of the cycle will be mostly veggie and protein meals....don't be afraid to be creative with those veggies...just stay within guidlines! Hugs~Zeva |
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reeldreamr Distinguished Member
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ok Zeva...no more big salads for me! thanks! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I feel a lot more satisfied in this plan than I do the DG. On the DG, I did a lot of "knife licking" when I served my kids a peanut butter sandwich or licked the lid when I opened a tub of yogurt for my kids but with BC, I catch myself before I do it. I do miss junkfood but I don't feel completely deprived. I am not going to weigh myself until the morning after day 10. I have another day out with my DH in about 2 weeks. That day will fall on day 7th on my second cycle. Because of that, I'm thinking of having a cheat day if I feel the need. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I made my first mock cheesecake today with some cream cheese, splenda, and a splash of vanilla. It was so yummy I felt like I was cheating. I topped it with some calorie free chocolate dip and it was even more of a treat! |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Sound so yummy! I did see how you did it in the recipe section. Very similar to what I have been doing with the cottage cheese, but I love to add cinnamon also. I was always warming it up but I actually like it cold lately. Prose |
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reeldreamr Distinguished Member
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So I have not budged other than that .8 weight lose and today I start day 5... Maybe I eat too much each sitting and need to go to the DG? Your thoughts on if that's a potential issue? |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Om, that sounds amazing! I am so ready for CD's to come....I was up almost a pound yesterday, but moving down slightly this morning...The light menu today (doing day 1 over) may help out to lose that last pound or so before weigh in tomorrow! Hey Prose! We are almost there!!! I can't wait! RD, Try cutting back a litle on portions...if this is your first cycle on either plan, it may take time for your body to adjust to this way if eating...it might take a couple cycles to see results. Have you measured yourself, or tried on something too tight? This is a way to gauge the inch/fat loss as well. If the scale isn't moving, chances are your clothes are looser! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I had some Kona Coffee (grown in the Big Island of Hawaii, and it's awesome!) that was flavored (chocolate macadamia nut). After I prepared, I read on the book that we shouldn't have flavored coffee like expresso, or lattes. I hope the flavored Kona Coffee doesn't count. Usually bags of coffee grounds don't have the nutrition info. I know my bag didn't. I sure as heck took advantage of the fact that I could have creamer. I bought 3 bottles of International Delight creamer, one dulce de leche and another caribbean cinnamon creme and the classic french vanilla for my DH. The cinnamon creme and dulce de lleche creamers were yummy! I only had 2 cups. I think that'll be all the coffee I'll have for today. Today is my 4th day. I can't believe how it's gone by! I love this diet so far. I sure hope I'm losing weight because usually when I don't feel a bit hungry, I don't lose much weight. I posted this on the general discussion board; I decided to not have a cheat weekend after this cycle because 2 weeks from today, there's going to be an Army family gathering and 2 days after that, I have a date time with my DH. For the gathering, they're going to have a Mexican themed potluck and I was asked to bring a dish. You all know that when there's a Mexican food theme it means chips and dips and if I know me, I won't be able to resist. At least if I lengthen my cycle by 8 days, I can give myself a chance to lose more weight. Lately I've been eating 5 meals at most. I don't really eat half, I pretty much eat short of feeling food because I'm a large girl and I need to eat enough to feel satisfied. Hopefully it'll still work. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I had some Kona Coffee (grown in the Big Island of Hawaii, and it's awesome!) that was flavored (chocolate macadamia nut). After I prepared, I read on the book that we shouldn't have flavored coffee like expresso, or lattes. I hope the flavored Kona Coffee doesn't count. Usually bags of coffee grounds don't have the nutrition info. I know my bag didn't. I sure as heck took advantage of the fact that I could have creamer. I bought 3 bottles of International Delight creamer, one dulce de leche and another caribbean cinnamon creme and the classic french vanilla for my DH. The cinnamon creme and dulce de lleche creamers were yummy! I only had 2 cups. I think that'll be all the coffee I'll have for today. Today is my 4th day. I can't believe how it's gone by! I love this diet so far. I sure hope I'm losing weight because usually when I don't feel a bit hungry, I don't lose much weight. I posted this on the general discussion board; I decided to not have a cheat weekend after this cycle because 2 weeks from today, there's going to be an Army family gathering and 2 days after that, I have a date time with my DH. For the gathering, they're going to have a Mexican themed potluck and I was asked to bring a dish. You all know that when there's a Mexican food theme it means chips and dips and if I know me, I won't be able to resist. At least if I lengthen my cycle by 8 days, I can give myself a chance to lose more weight. Lately I've been eating 5 meals at most. I don't really eat half, I pretty much eat short of feeling food because I'm a large girl and I need to eat enough to feel satisfied. Hopefully it'll still work. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I had some Kona Coffee (grown in the Big Island of Hawaii, and it's awesome!) that was flavored (chocolate macadamia nut). After I prepared, I read on the book that we shouldn't have flavored coffee like expresso, or lattes. I hope the flavored Kona Coffee doesn't count. Usually bags of coffee grounds don't have the nutrition info. I know my bag didn't. I sure as heck took advantage of the fact that I could have creamer. I bought 3 bottles of International Delight creamer, one dulce de leche and another caribbean cinnamon creme and the classic french vanilla for my DH. The cinnamon creme and dulce de lleche creamers were yummy! I only had 2 cups. I think that'll be all the coffee I'll have for today. Today is my 4th day. I can't believe how it's gone by! I love this diet so far. I sure hope I'm losing weight because usually when I don't feel a bit hungry, I don't lose much weight. I posted this on the general discussion board; I decided to not have a cheat weekend after this cycle because 2 weeks from today, there's going to be an Army family gathering and 2 days after that, I have a date time with my DH. For the gathering, they're going to have a Mexican themed potluck and I was asked to bring a dish. You all know that when there's a Mexican food theme it means chips and dips and if I know me, I won't be able to resist. At least if I lengthen my cycle by 8 days, I can give myself a chance to lose more weight. Lately I've been eating 5 meals at most. I don't really eat half, I pretty much eat short of feeling food because I'm a large girl and I need to eat enough to feel satisfied. Hopefully it'll still work. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I tried the cottage cheese snack. It's pretty good. First I tried it with cinnamon, then with pumpkin pie spice. I liked the one with pumpkin pie spice a little better. I had some pistachios as well since my last meal was 2 foods from group 2. |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Hey Om, sounds like you are doing great so far. I can't wait to weigh in tomorrow. I'm having a tough time waiting till tomorrow to eat something delicious. I was reading the food section in the paper (which I never do) and came across a chinese noodle house...they had so many different kinds, hot, cold, long, short, soups, stews, it all sounded so yummy...I sadly have to admit, I'm one of those weird people who love those cup o noodle thingies...it is such a treat! I think that may be the one salty guilty pleasure I have...oh and corned beef hash...lol! I haven't had that in maybe a year, and it was just calling my name....I have resisted so far...only 2 more meals left! What is my problem? If I hang in there just a few hours more, I will feel so much more accomplished! I think the stress of my weekend had hit me, and I'm feeling a little overwhelmed....One protein meal, and 1 fruit meal to go....they are both great....I can do it! Thanks for listening! ~Zeva |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Zeva, I was eating a lot of spaghetti during the first few weeks here. I started getting tired of it but now I'm craving it again. I bought a spaghetti squash. I just need to get a can of tomatoes to make a BC friendly pasta sauce. I bought calorie free pasta sauce, it's good for the "meatza pizza" but I prefer real sauce for spaghetti. I found a homemade pasta recipe on my instruction manual for my crock pot, I can easily modify it to fit the plan: 1 28-ounce can peeled tomatoes 2 tbsp olive oil (I'll be using EVOO spray instead, no calories )2 cloves of garlic, or to taste, minced 1/2 cup chopped fresh basil (I have dried basil so I guess I'll use the equivalent) 1 tsp sugar (subing with Splenda) Salt and pepper It looks like this will fit perfectly for a meal where I choose 4 veggies. Every homemade pasta sauce recipe I've tried, has never impressed me. I'm not expecting this one to be any different, but I'm sure it'll help. If I really like it, I'm trying it on veggie day on the DG. I know how you feel about ramen noodles. There was a time I was also craving them a lot! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I tried the Meatza Pizza again just now. This time, I used 2 thawed fresh ground beef patties, I turned them into one and mixed in the cheese like I would've in the original recipe and added some italian seasoning and garlic salt to the mixture and baked it, then toppped it with the no-cal marinara I mentioned here and extra cheese. It turned out much better. Next time, I might use ground italian sausage Last edited on 24 April 2009 03:06 am by omayra |
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z1434eva Distinguished Member
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Omayra, I love pasta....I just don't crave it ever...it was just so weird to have a lo mein sound so amazingly delicious! It's always the sweets that get to me. I dream in chocolate cake! I've tried the spaghetti squash, and it's a great veggie...the only think in common with spaghetti is it's stringyness! I really enjoyed Webs idea a while back for the zucchini spaghetti....you use the jullienne peeler and saute it....really good with garlic, stewed tomatoes, cheese if you could.... I am lucky to have a Trader Joes so close, and thier marinara has no sugar at all....the thing that worries me is the olive oil they add....doesn't seem like very much, but I would say just like I made it myself...Well, I've got 1 fruit meal left tonight..I may or may not have it....probably not...just keep drinkin, or maybe have a cup of coffee...I dont think the flavored Kona coffee will be a problem...I think what they meant would be something like those instant flavored coffees...they are high in sugar....and calories! I'm interested to know how the creamer affects you...I've been afraid to try it. I always figure that if we are to keep our meals 2 hours apart, why would having coffee with creamer in between meals be ok....??? WHo knows.....Yikes....just had an earthquake! Second one today!!! See you guys later....can't wait to see the weigh ins tomorrow. ~Zeva |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Zeva, Oh wow an earthquake! I hope you're ok. I think I should get me a julienne peeler. I saw a recipe for vegan raw "spaghetti" that called for zucchini. I'm really curious about it. I've eaten 3 meals today and since I'll be going to bed in 3 hours, my last meal will be my fruit meal. I only get one today. I guess I'll see how the creamer on my coffee affects me on my weigh in day. Lucky for me I'm not a heavy coffee drinker, in fact, I rarely drink it. Usually 2 cups is enough for me. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I had my last meal for today, my fruit meal. I had some some warm cinnamon apples and pineapple. I made a fruity drink with frozen pineapples like I mentioned a few days ago. At the store, I couldn't find the calorie drink mix I usually get at wal-marts so intead I bought a few boxes of Replenish fruit punch flavored sportdrink mix packets. They're also calorie free. I added a packet to 2 cups of diet Sierra Mist. I had to add some ice cubes with the pineapple chunks because it was a new bottle. If you're going to sub the ice cubes with frozen fruit, I recommend this if the soda is chilled. It was really good! I truly felt like I was cheating since the drink did not taste "diety". I guess it's off to bed now. Talk to you all later |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I had my breakfast, it was bacon topped with Kraft's mexican cheese blend. I also had 2 cups of coffee. When you get 2 proteins, it's great to make "dessert" with cheese. Same with the mixed meals and fruit. Since they allow creamers, it's great to take advantage of that by having some coffee when you get your veggie meals. I agree, it doesn't make sense to drink coffee with high calorie creamers with this plan but I'm not questioning, I'm being thankful since it's comforting when sweets are limited. The gourmet creamers sure take away that Splenda aftertaste. If it inhibits my progress, I'll just stop, but for now, I'll enjoy it. The creamers I'm using make my coffee more satisfying, which is why I'm content with 2 cups a day. Where was this diet when I was pregnant? I'm sure I wouldn't have gained so much weight had I known about BC then. I think this diet is like a traditional diet with basic principles of nutrition, what's different is the food/calorie shifting part. Over all it's a very balanced diet, so I think it would be safe for everyone, including pregnant/nursing women. Oh well... I'm glad I found it now. I can definitely see myself eating this way for life. |
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Omayra...it has been awhile since I did BC...do the BC rules specify "sugar free" creamer? I can't remember. I don't use artificial sweeteners. Thanks S S |
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sunshine wrote: Omayra...it has been awhile since I did BC...do the BC rules specify "sugar free" creamer? I can't remember. I don't use artificial sweeteners.Hi Sunshine - Not Omayra here, but I have been reading the BC book since I may give it a go next week, so I thought I'd butt in. Here's the quote from the book: "COFFEE (you may use creamer and artificial sweeteners only) *You may not order flavored coffee such as latte or espresso, those will ruin this diet." Is that what you would call an ambiguous statement? Another one of FL4I's rules that appear to be open to interpretation. What do you think? (It doesn't say creamer with artificial sweeteners only.) Heck, I don't even drink coffee! Cheers! Annie |
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Hi Annie...you are right...that is fuzzy... but I guess.... if you can NOT have "sweetened coffees" at the coffee shop they want us to have unsweetened creamer or artificially sweetened creamer. Lattes are fine if milk is on the menu for the meal...and most espressos  are just plain where I come from...I think they are talking about those sweet coffee drinks that are flavored and full of sugar!!Thanks for looking that up...that helps! Great to see you around! hugs S SLast edited on 25 April 2009 12:02 am by sunshine |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Sunshine, my DH is a lawyer's son so he's taught me a thing or 2 about loopholes so unless otherwise specified, I use my favorite creamers. LOL. Seriously, I'll get some low-cal creamers if I don't see a significant change. I had my second meal over an hour ago. It was a mixed meal, 2 foods from group 4. I made my mock chocolate cheesecake with topped with a cherry compote I made by heating some frozen black cherries with splenda in the microwave. It was so rich and decadent! Such a treat! First I tried it without the chocolate (cal-free which I previously mentioned) but of course, the chocolate one almost tasted like a 5-star dessert. |
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Omayra...do you use full fat, low fat or fatfree cream cheese...and how many ounces of cream cheese do you think you eat at a serving? Is it the Walden Farms chocolate sauce that you have talked about in FL? Just curious. Thanks! S SPS Are you using the regular or sugar free creamers this cycle? |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I use full fat cream cheese, especially after I read that the low fat/fat free kind have more carbs. I eat at least 4 tablespoons, sometimes more depending how hungry I feel. I go through one tub of the whipped Philadelphia cream cheese so fast, I bought 5 of them. Yes, I use the Walden Farms chocolate dip. I bought the syrup as well but I haven't tried yet. So far, I haven't seen it in grocery stores so I order it online. WF is the only company I've seen that sells cal-free condiments and they've been a Godsend! I use International Delight regular creamers. I bought bottles of 3 different flavors. I'll cut back on that next cycle if my loss at the end of this cycle isn't too significant. sunshine wrote: Omayra...do you use full fat, low fat or fatfree cream cheese...and how many ounces of cream cheese do you think you eat at a serving? Is it the Walden Farms chocolate sauce that you have talked about in FL? Just curious. Thanks! |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Omayra, those recipes for desserts and drinks sound sooooo good! In fact, I already tried your sangria idea using frozen Mango and absolutely loved it. Thanks for sharing! I think I may start BC on Tuesday. The way the meal plans go, if I start on Tuesday I can have at least one meal with protein and veg on Saturday and Sunday, which works for me because I usually like to BBQ on the weekends. Not sure - but I might tack on an extra Day 1 to the beginning, starting on Monday instead, and still ending up the following Thursday. I'll have to think about that. Cheers! Annie |
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Annie, I'm glad you liked my sangria idea! Sunshine, International delight creamers only have 6g of sugar per serving BTW. Just thought I'd let you know. The only problem is that they're also 50 calories per serving. As long as it's allowed I'm taking advantage of it. It's kinda like having fro-yo on the DG. They say no toppings but many of us have been eating the novelty flavors. LOL |
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Biggie New Member
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I have only just stumbled upon this web site and learned about this diet programme today so I am Very very new. I only have around 14 pounds to lose. I'd be hard pressed to eat 6 meals a day. I usually only have 2. From what I read from one poster though, he didn't seem to eat very much at all eating the 6 meals and many said they couldn't fit them in. When I read the little he ate I wondered how large the portions must have been. I have not yet decided whether to try this so thought I would just submit a couple of quick questions. Are the meal sizes worked out in weights and measures. Can you have wine. I don't have a sweet tooth so none of that really worries me. I think it is just age and the fact that I have a sedentary and very stressful occupation that has made me gain this weight in the last 6 months. Add to that the fact that I just love my wine in the evening as part of my winding down process. I also get really bloated all the time and someone mentioned a digestive enzyme. Maybe that is what I am missing. Thank you in advance for any advice any of you may have to give me Biggie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Biggie..welcome to the forum & the FL4I diet. I definately think it will work for you. But from what you said the regular DG might be better as it is only 4 meals instead of the 6. Also you are ALLOWED one glass of WINE every day!!! It sounds to me that since you have been only eatting 2 meals a day your metabolism has just slowed way down. Getting on this plan will work. One really important thing for you is to drink enough water. They say 80oz a day minimum & I found that I was not drinking nearly enough. It has made me feel much better overall ~ better for your body especially your colon. I would post in the general discussion if you haven't already.. Good luck. Prose |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Hello Biggie...I agree with PR...this could work for you. Eating only two meals a day can actually CAUSE weight gain as the metabolism slows on fewer meals...it is a self preservation mechanism built into us to prevent starvation. This plan will have you eating 4 times a day...only until "just satisfied", not "full". So the meals only need to be as large as needed of the specified foods....but skipping meals will stop the losses. And all the meals should be smallish...no going all day then having a HUGE dinner that your body can not burn off. Many of us are at the ages of slowed metabolism and flagging hormones and have done GREAT on this plan. You do not have to exercise...BUT in your case ...walking would be very good for you as it lowers the stress hormone cortisol which causes even slim people to gain belly fat. My 2 cents! S S |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I tried to peel a zucchini with a citrus zester and it didn't work out so instead, I peeled a yellow summer squash with my veggie peeler. The shavings were wide, so I decided to think of it as mock "linguine". I sauteed it in EVOO spray and garlic and topped it with that homemade pasta sauce I just posted. All I can say is WOW! The texture was a bit odd compared to real pasta but it really hit the spot as far as a pasta craving is concerned. Next time I buy a peeler, I'll make sure it specifically says "julienne". The picture on the packet on the zester looked like julienned strands so I thought it worked the same way. Oh well. My veggie peeler worked very well. I think from now on, this will be my staple recipe on the DG veggie day. Next time I'll try it with spaghetti squash. I was going to try that today but baking my spaghetti squash would've taken too long and I was crunched for time. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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When I had cottage cheese with vanilla and cinnamon, I thought it tasted familiar. Today I realized it tastes somewhat like rice pudding. It's too bad I can't add raisins cause I always enjoyed rice pudding with raisins. For dinner I had 4 foods from group 4. There's a recipe in Jessica Seinfeld's (Jerry's wife) book, Desceptively Delicious called "Aloha Chicken Kebabs". I tried a low-carb take with Macademia nuts as breading. Basically, I ground up some macademia nuts, dipped chicken breast strips in a mixture of egg (1), pineapple puree (1/2 cup, homemade) and soy sauce (low sodium, 1tbsp) and coated it in the nuts. I know soy sauce is not allowed but I thought one could consider it low-cal dressing since it's only 10 calories and it's a base ingredient in Asian dressing. Anyway, the original recipe says to fry the kebabs in EVOO, but I experimented with the spray instead. It was a dumb idea since the spray bubbled up and would burn quickly. LOL! I ended up just sauteeing it rather browning on each side. It turned out very good. Next time I'll make a stir fry out of this. Since I had one more food item to choose from, I had my usual "cheesecake" for dessert. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Every Sunday morning at church they serve donuts with coffee. I was able to resist! I had to stop at Wal-Mart on the way and I was starving by the time I was on the way home. It's a good thing I had a bag of beef jerky and a mini ziplock with nuts. |
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lysieso New Member 
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Hi all. I'm wondering who here has done both BC and DG? Has BC worked as well as DG...better perhaps? Omayra---I've been reading your posts and noticed that you've done both. But I think you are fairly new to BC. Have you had much success on it? I am in the middle of my second cycle of DG...my first cycle went great...my second cycle has been so so and I'm really considering trying BC. How's it been working for you? I think i could pull off the 6 meals a day with not much problem. I work long days and make all my meals before I leave for the day anyway and I think the variety would be really helpful for my challenging schedule. Any insight would be most appreciated. Thanks! Lysie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Lysie. On day 1, I lost 4 lbs on BC. It was most likely waterweight though. I haven't weighed in since. I'll let you know the morning after day 10 (I'm on day 7) when I get a more accurate weigh in. I love BC. So far, I've seen some inch loss again. As you've read from my posts, I don't always eat 6 meals, I eat 5 at most. The variety really helps. I hardly miss junk food and because the foods on BC are very satisfying. It's also given me a chance to be more creative in the kitchen. I never thought there could be so many possibilities with low-carb/low-sugar foods. |
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lysieso New Member
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Thanks Omayra- I think I will enjoy BC too. But since I've had a lousy DG cycle (so far anyway. I have every confidence that it oculd turn around), I'm torn between trying another cycle of DG which worked for me amazingly my first cycle (I lost 12lbs). This cycle so far I've lost 0. So Im definitely curious how your BC cycle will conclude. Keep me posted. Thanks! Lysie |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good morning! Question regarding the 6 meals - Just wondering how you all are planning. Here's what I mapped out for myself - I looked at the day's plan, for instance, today (Day 1) is: FF PP PA(A=Any) VVVP FF FF First I picked out the meal most likely to fit in with DH's and my dinner (the only meal we always eat together, between 5 and 5:30 pm). VVVP (I think we'll have grilled fish, steamed asparagus, and a salad.) Then I picked out a likely breakfast. PP (Scrambled eggs w/Laughing Cow Cheese) A likely lunch. PA (Cheese & tomato slices.) Then 3 snack meals. FF FF FF (First one was pineapple and prunes. )My approximate times to eat would be: B 9 am / S 11 am / L 1 pm / S 3 pm / D 5 pm / S 7 pm I promise I won't share every meal with you all, but I'm just curious to know if I'm on the right track, without overthinking this. Thanks! Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Annie, I think you're on the right track. I decided not to think much about the menu and make sure all the foods on the list on hand so all I'll have to do everyday is just grab foods from the fridge and eat accordingly. It's a lot easier to eat proteins when you're on the go, so if you're out running an errand, I recommend printing out the menu for that day, and try to carry a bag of nuts or jerky with you so you won't be tempted to deviate by eating at a fast food restaurant. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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That looks good Annie! Here is my day so far: (my portions this time are definatley smaller than the last two cycles) 7am: grapes (3), apple (1/3 sliced) w/ 1 cup of coffee 10:15: (got sidetracked as far as time went) cottage cheese (4 tbsp) w/ grapes (4) w/ 1 cup of coffee 12:45: eggsalad (1 egg w/mayo & celery chopped) w/1slice swiss 3:15: apple (1/3 sliced) , grapes (4 grapes) 5:45: roast beef (1 slice not lunch meat ~ real roast) & salad w/ tomatoes & onions (not sure my quantitiy here sm lunch size plate) 8:15: kiwi (1 kiwi) & strawberries(1 large) I like your idea of doing the three meals with snacks inbetween. I find that I like to have something quick & fast for my first meal then more of a protein meal after my son is off to school. Also I am trying to not eat so late but DH gets home so late it throws me off as I like to leave a light meal (two fruits today or a veggie meal) for the last one but don't want to eat it 9pm! Also I thought we had to wait 2.5 hours between meals but I know Zeva does 2 hours. Did the manual say eat every 2 hours? That would make things easier to fit in. Even though I get my first meal in early I feel that my last meal ends up being between 8 & 9!! I do love these first few "light" days with all the fruit. The protein days seem "heavier" to me plus makes it harder to stay on track as the fruit curbys my sweet cravings. I am going to weigh eveyday & see how the different meals effect me. Also I am watching my portions to see how that helps. I am not hungry at all today & have not ate much at all as far as quantity. I do very well with my water/tea & usually drink between 96-128oz of liquid a day not including coffee. What do you think??? Prose |
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KmcK New Member 
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ANNIE: I think you are okay with your planning of meals. I am on DAY 1 of BC and I had 2 fruit for breakfast fruit for snack 1 Protein 1 any: hamburger patty and coleslaw (cabbage and low cal dressing) lunch fruit for snack 1 protein and 3 veg; chicken breast and salad for dinner (lettuce tomato cuke) fruit for snack |
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KmcK New Member
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Sorry Breakfast was one egg and egg whites for 2 proteins. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Thanks everyone for the tips and the input. I'm with you, Omayra. I prefer just having the food on hand and grabbing something appropriate, instead of planning menus. So, this is definitely better for me in that respect than DG. PRose - Here's what the book says about time space between meals: "You can also eat these meals at ANY time during the day (you get to choose the exact meal times). The only rule is that you should try to space out your meals as much as possible (we know that you have a busy schedule, but try to space out each meal by a couple hours at least if possible). Or, if that's not possible then just space them out as good as you can." I'm noticing that 2 hours is a pretty short time in between, but I'll see how it plays out after a few days. Instead of tomatoes and cheese for my third meal - Lunch - I only ate 3 radishes and a one-ounce wedge of Laughing Cow Light (35 calories / 1 carb). And I'm think two strawberries and one bite of pineapple will do me in for my fourth meal, if I can even get that much down! Kmck - Is the BC plan working well for you? I'm just really curious what I'll weigh tomorrow after all these mini-meals. I think I'll repeat this day tomorrow and get most of the fruit out of the way in the beginning. I am not a big fruit eater, and I usually see more of a weight loss after protein and low-glycemic vegs. Thanks again! Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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P-Rose, I think you're doing great. For BC they tell you to wait a minimum of every 2 hours just because you get 6 meals, therefore, it makes sense. After my very first DG cycle, I decided to stop counting portions. Doing that made eating feel like a chore. However, If measuring the portions work better for you, go for it! |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi everyone.. Omayra ~ thanks for responding!! Well I am off to a great start!!!! Believe it or not, I am down 3#'s already!!! I can't believe it is all water weight as I drink my same amount of water during CD's. Comments??? Thanks for posting the recipe for the tomatoe sauce ~ going to make it tonight over the spagetti squash. Do you think that since it has the tomatoes, garlic & onion that counts for 3 veggies right there right??? I definately think watching my portions closer is a good idea & think it will help alot. I honestly think I was eatting until too close to satisfied & for the 6 meals instead of the 4 meals increases you intake by quite abit. I was not hungry at all yesterday & did not have any temptations ~ hope today goes as well. Cheers BCers... ~Prose / FFF / BC |
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KmcK New Member
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ANNIE: Well I havent been successful thus far. Although I havent done a full cycle yet. I started on April 14th and my brothers wedding was on the saturday. so I basically did 2 days on BC and then ate pizza and wings and garlic bread. Saturday I ate and drank anything put in front of me. Sunday was much of the same.. then I did 4 days on the BC and then a weekend of cheats. So needless to say I didnt lose anything. But I didnt gain any either. but I do like BC a bit better because I liek the additional vegtables and fruiton the menu. O nDG i was cheating and adding soem veggies with my meals. ..I am having a hard time with portions tho..I tend to overeat. I am not getting the "satisfied" feeling I get a "full" feeling then I stop..which I know its too late..so I have to work on that. Has anyone had much success on the BC? What are everyone views on the BC! |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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P-Rose, The tomato sauce can count as 3 veggies. That's how I got the idea. I found the recipe on the cookbook that came with my slow cooker and I modified it to suit the diet. The original recipe calls for 1/2 cup of fresh basil, real sugar and olive oil. Onions aren't on that recipe so I added some when on my menu I was to eat 4 veggies. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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KmcK ~ I did the same thing on DG. I started rationalizing that if you can have salsa, why not a salad, or some broccoli, .............? The last few cycles I did on DG I was much more strict with myself, often only choosing one of the two or three items listed, and not adding in any veg. If the menu said chicken and cheese, I ate the chicken and sometimes the cheese, but nothing else added. It really made a difference for me and I began losing, albeit still slowly (which is all I can expect I guess). As far as portion control is concerned, a couple of mind tricks I use: ~My father was slim all his life. He told me only to eat until I was no longer hungry, not full. Sometimes that can work for you. I like to think of it that way instead of "only until satisfied." ~I read a couple articles recently that if you eat slowly and savor every bite, at some point you will sigh, or pause to take a deep breath. This is the point at which you should stop eating, because it actually takes something like 20 minutes for your stomach to signal your brain. All that said, I put all my meals from yesterday on http://www.fitday.com and wound up with less than 1000 calories and was never hungry all day. And to top that off, I weighed a pound more this a.m. than yesterday! The way I am, though, it may take me a day or two to notice a couple pounds drop off. I sure hope it's soon!PRose ~ Congrats on the 3 pounds  ! Makes it all worthwhile, huh?Cheers! AnnieLast edited on 28 April 2009 08:07 pm by Annie |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Omayra - Thanks for posting that tomato sauce recipe. It sounds like a very good basic sauce, similar to one I used several years ago for my home-grown tomatoes. I only had a few plants, but wound up with a bumper crop so I peeled a bunch of them and made a sauce to freeze in canning jars. We had yummy pasta dishes all winter long!Annie |
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KmcK New Member
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I just did my calories on fitday for today and im over 1500 and i still have 2 meals to go. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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oh..wow I am surprised. What have your meals been, if you don't mind sharing? I will do mine now. Prose |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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KmcK ~ Don't panic! We can solve this. We all know we are not supposed to have to count calories on this plan, just shift calories and carbs from day to day. The only reason I checked mine was because I had never done a 6 meal/day diet and wanted to be sure my 1 pound gain wasn't due to eating too much. And I know that on the DG I ate plenty more calories on some days and lost weight doing it, when I would have sausage or bacon - I never ate the low-fat kind. Not sure, but since you feel that your problem is portion control, maybe that's where you need to start in solving this. ~ Do you make a point to set yourself a place to eat and take your time? Or are you like my husband, who loves to eat standing at the kitchen counter over the sink! He calls it "grazing." (He's a terrible influence on me).~ Have you tried the mind trick of using a luncheon plate instead of a dinner plate, and then not filling it too full? ~ I think someone in General Discussion said they put what they plan to eat on their plate, and then take half of it back off. Or when dining out, they order a meal and a box so they can pack 1/2 of it away to take home before they start eating. Whatever you do, don't give up and starve yourself. That's when your metabolism will put the brakes on and not budge an ounce. I'm 59 years old and my metabolism is at times almost nonexistent. Of all the plans I've tried in recent years, FL4I is the only one that gives me hope that I can lose, although much slower than when I was younger. This calorie/carb shifting makes more sense to me than any other plan I've seen. I don't know if my advice/thoughts will help. Maybe someone with more success on BC can tell you what works for them. Who knows, KmcK? You might wake up tomorrow and be 2 pounds lighter without changing a thing. Your body just might be slower to adjust to this brand new WOE. I wish you the best of luck - We're all in this together. Annie |
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KmcK New Member
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okay this is what i have had so far today: Breakfast...2 proteins: 3 strips bacon and scrambled egg (cooking spray) snack...2 fruit: 1 apple lunch...1 pro/1 veg: 1.5 cups ground chicken, 1 cup mushroom with chili powder (cooking spray) =1000 cals I haven't YET eaten my other half of my ground chick/mushroom for dinner... but that will bring me up to 1500 (2 any: 1.5 cups ground chicken, mushroom with chili powder (cooking spray)) and I still have 3 veggies and 4 veggies left for today |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi again KmcK~ I agree with Annie on this. Some days will be better than others, but counting calories is NOT the idea at all. I think the tips she gave you are great! Last cycle I definately ate more but this time I thought, I am going to try eating 1/2 of what I WANT & see how I feel. My total yesterday was 665 calories. I did not do todays yet. I used the calculater on this site. Fruit & veggies have hardly ANY calories!!! Prose |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Annie...loved your ideas! I actually bought some adorable salad size plates at the thrift store in various patterns that are fun and colorful...it makes may smaller portions look larger and even more appealing. I used to be able to out eat all my friends...but the smaller plates still makes me feel like my plate is FULL and then I feel full when I finish...it is all a mind thing! They have actually done studies to prove that the more food you offer and the more variety...the more a person will consume!! They even tried this with M & M's and the more colors in the bowl and the larger the candy bowl the more people took. I think the limited items per meal and eating only to satisfied apply this science with these plans! Hi All...the beauty of this plan is that we DON'T HAVE TO MEASURE OR WEIGH PORTIONS COUNT CALORIES, FATS, CARBS OR POINTS!! Some days your body will call for more food and if you are counting calories...it is easy to get in the mind set of not going above or below a certain number...this doesn't allow you to develop the "just satisfied" sense that will keep you slim no matter what you eat after the plan... and keeping to a set calorie prevents calorie shifting. Our bodies need more calories some days and less on others. I used to keep a "checkbook" of my calories and a food journal...it is a major pain. Your body will get used to the constant calorie count and you will stop losing...happened to me...even on fewer a fewer calories. When I started the DG and BC it scared me to think that I would not be keeping track of everything! But I have lost weight and MAINTAINED WITH OUT LOTS OF EFFORT!! Anyway...just my two cents for those who are trapped by counting or the numbers on the scale. It is a hard addiction to break...mostly because we have forgotten how to trust our bodies to tell us what we need...and have been counting for years! You are all doing GREAT!!! Keep up the good work and you will find success that you did not dream possible! Hugs to all SS |
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KmcK New Member
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Thanks you guys: I know exactly that I am an over eater. I graze while making the food and then I fill my plate and eat it all til its gone. I have tried the taking my time while eating and that worked. or using a smaller plate..that worked too. I just forget sometimes especially after having a few 'free for all' weekends. my stomach has expanded and expects more...hahaha. Anyways I just need more self disipline. Thank you for your help it really puts things into perspective. If I didnt have this forum to tell my thoughts or fears or get advice then I think I would have continued to fail at this. At least I have people telling me to pick myself back up and try again. Which i will do starting now. |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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KM...chew gum while preparing food for anyone...you will NOT put food in with the gum. You have to have a plan so you don't mindlessly graze....and the gum works like a charm. On another plan years ago, I was cooking for my family of 6...and I was on liquid meals ...I actually put on swimmers nose plugs when I had to bake brownies or cook my favorites....it was funny but it got me through! You just have to get determined and think about HOW to not graze and overeat. I find a cup of hot tea with my meal also fills me up and keeps me from overeating. Another favorite is "poor mans lemonade"...a large glass of ice water with one or two lemon wedges squeezed in and sweetener.Share with us what works and and maybe others here will have some ideas for you. If you don't eat any cheat food...your appetite will diminish...this diet does this if you stay pure on it...many of us have been very surprised by this effect. S S |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Sunshine - LOL on the noseplugs! Why oh why didn't I think of that when DH wanted me to fix liver? The gum is a great idea too - never thought of that! |
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persimmon rose New Member
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I have to chime in & agree with you sunshine! The gum has REALLY helped me lately as has the lemon water with alittle sweetener. Curbs that need for "something". Now the noseplugs is very creative!!! I posted about the diet chocolate pop earlier & that was a great treat today!! Faygo makes it 0 calories . Hope everone had a great day!!! I did super again today...no cravings, not hungry! I am thrilled & feel I am on a roll. Also staying positive puts a different spin on my attitude. Hey, whatever works right! Cheers... Prose |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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For the most part, I have not gotten any cravings on this plan. I was thinking of switching to the DG for the next cycle just to alternate but I think my T-O-M, is coming soon and I can't stick to the plan closely during that time. Even if my loss this cycle may not be the most favorable, I'll at least be able to get thhrough it without deviating. II want to at least have a good 7 days. As I mentioned early, on May 7th, I have a get together where I signed up to bring a dish. The following Saturday that week, I get to spend the day with my DH while a friend babysits my kids. Essentially, I'm just extending my diet even though I'm weighing in, in 2 days. |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I just finished my final meal. I had 2 foods from group 4. I dipped fresh strawberries into my usual chocolate "cheesecake" dessert. It tasted like Heaven! I tried it with frozen black cherries last time. I like it with fresh strawberries so much better. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning! Omayra - Your last meal yesterday was exactly what I had 'planned' to have, too! I didn't have the WF syrup, but I thought I would just use some cocoa and Splenda in place of it. Well, didn't work that way. My day was so screwed up. Had my first meal later than planned, then the rest of the day went downhill from there. I got all kerfuffled in trying to get all 6 meals in (jammed 2 strawberries and two pineapple chunks down my neck on my way out the door once!) We did have a nice beef roast with roasted zucchini for dinner - Meal 5. Anyway, I wound up with an all veg meal at 8 pm. I remembered reading that PRose used V-8 juice for a meal and I thought - Okay, better than nothing. Sure glad you wrote that, PR! I lost that one pound I gained after the first day, plus 2 more, to be really close to my lowest weight last cycle. Yes, being prepared is a good thing. When you're home almost every day like me, it seems the smallest hiccup in the day can turn things upside down. Have a great day everyone - and drink your water! Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi...I am new to this forum and to BC...I have been reading this thread and I am wondering if someone could help...? I am on day 4 of BC and I actually enjoy it for the most part and I really like the 6 meals a day. I weighed myself on the morn of day 2 and instantly lost 4 pounds and I am not sure why...any ideas.? I have not lost any more since? Also, I don't know how much too eat...sometimes I feel like my body wants lots of food and other times I'm not sure and then others I feel like I ate just enough...any advice? Thanks, and I am glad to have found this forum... |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Hi Alfina and Welcome! And congrats on dropping 4 pounds in one day. I think that when you lose those first pounds, it could be water weight. That usually comes off first. Especially if you are drinking more water now on this plan. Did you do the FL4I Diet Generator (DG) at all before starting BC? This is my first cycle on BC - I'm on Day 3, but I did several cycles of DG prior, so it got me more used to spacing my meals and drinking the water. The DG only has 4 meals/day, so you tend to eat a little more at each sitting than you would on BC. Check out our discussion on this page regarding knowing how much to eat. It is really unique to the individual. I have found, however, that for some meals I'm more hungry - and for others I could easily skip eating all together. I think determining when you are 'satisfied, not full' is key to losing the weight. I still say my dad's tip - "Just eat until you are no longer hungry" - has been my guide. That, and eating slowly enough that at some point I either sigh or pause to take a deep breath - that's when I feel I should stop eating. So far today I had - Meal 1 - 9 am - 2 eggs and about 2 oz. of ham Meal 2 - 11:30 am - Chopped romaine with sliced strawberries, cracked pepper and balsamic viniagrette Meal 3 - 1:30 pm - Turkey slice spread with Laughing Cow cheese and rolled up Alfina - Be sure to introduce yourself in the General Discussion thread. That's where everybody hangs out - lots more activity there. And many have done or are doing the BC, so you can probably get lots more friendly support there, as well. Don't be afraid to ask - We've all been new to this once. And we're all still learning! Cheers! Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hey Annie! I really don't think the V8 is a problem especially when the next week there are so many veggie meals! Glad it worked for you... I am down another pound so as of this morning I am already at my goal!!!! I know that could change, but I am doing fabulous this cycle!!! Staying stron like Zeva!!!!I also tried the mock chessecake & it was amazing!!!! I did get the WF chocolate dip & it worked great. Not too good alone but mixed it was perfect & how can you beat no calories!!! I have 2 meals left, will do the VVVP ~ was going to do salad with either egg OR cheese..but your idea for the strawberry salad would be perfect for the VF! So maybe for dinner I will have the leftover spag. squash with tomatoe sauce & the baked portabella mushroom topped with provolone!!! I truely LOVE the BC once again, not saying I won't do the DG now & then to mix it up!!! ~Prose |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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persimmon rose wrote: Hey Annie!Cool Beans, PR! I am stoked for you! So, Now that you reached your cycle goal, you could just cut it short and take 3 days off? Just kidding - it feels good though, huh?Okay, tell me about the portabella and provolone, please? I just bought a boatload of big white mushrooms, not ports, but big enough to stuff. And I was just going to go search for a way to fix them stuffed with just the cheese. I have mozarella, parm, bleu and brie to choose from. I have often done mini pizzas with them, and placed a grilled burger on top of a grilled port - add a little bleu cheese and yummo! (Rachel Ray gets on my nerves, but she is good!) Also, if you like gazpacho, I posted a recipe on the recipe thread last September, it's on the next to the last page (Page 3). You can improvise with adding or deleting ingredients to your liking. Just in case I get the urge, I put a 15 oz. can of diced tomatoes in the refrig. and figured I would use my little rocket blender, not add the V8, and add in cukes and onions/garlic with seasonings for a quick version. And thanks again for the V8 tip - that will be one of my 'go-to' items when in a rush. Later Annie Last edited on 29 April 2009 11:23 pm by Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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Thanks Annie...I was a little reluctant to think that the first pounds were water as I always drink water...but I guess that's all it could be... Also, what do people think should happen when you are not hungry...should you eat your meal anyhow? Thanks... |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi Persimmon Rose, When did you first notice weighloss? And how has it progressed over the 10 days? Thanks, A |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Alfina wrote: Thanks Annie...I was a little reluctant to think that the first pounds were water as I always drink water...but I guess that's all it could be...Alfina - I could be wrong on that water weight, but I do know that certain foods cause me to lose faster - like proteins, which work for me like a diuretic, whereas fruit will stick with me and actually show a temporary gain for a day or two after eating a lot of it. As for times you're not hungry, the book says to try for 6 meals/day. Some of us are only able to get 5 meals in. I had problems with time constraints yesterday. But I still ate something 6 xs. One meal was 2 strawberries and 2 chunks of canned pineapple. Another meal was a can of V-8. My way of psyching myself is to think of it as 3 meals - Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner - and 3 snacks spaced out between the other meals. That way I eat more 3 xs/day and just a little snack the other 3. So, I get to thinking more that a snack is a meal. Does that make sense? I just need to play head games with myself to make it work. Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Annie, I baked the portabella mushrooms topped with Omayra's pasta sauce recipe then added the provolone to just "soften" it, I don't like my cheese too Melty. Your stuffed muchrooms sound great, I am sure you will find lots of recipes, chop up the stems really fine & add that to the stuffing. Not sure if you ever heard that or not. Alfina~ I am on my 3rd cycle of the BC & this one is going the best so far. The key is to stick with it to a T for the best losses. I am weighing every day & on day 3 so far & am down 4#'s. Also you have to figure out your quantities which is tricky. Hope everyone is having a great day! Prose ~ FFF / BC |
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Alfina New Member
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Thanks again... Annie-I really like the 6 times eating and I do find I am generally hungry when it comes time to eat. Prose-so do you think that when you finish a meal you are satisfied/full or just hitting full...what do you say? Alfina |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Alfina~ Definately NOT FULL... I would say not quite satisfied, not really hungry is all I can say. The last cycle I did I thought I was eatting to much, so this one I thougtht..I am going to try & eat half of what I normally would to be "satisfied" & see how I do. You have to remember that you are eatting again in 2 hours or so. If you eat to much, you won't be hungry for your next meal. The whole idea of the BC or how I understand it, is to jump start your metabolism even more by eatting small meals more often. If you eat the same "amount" as on the DG when you ate 4 meals, now you are eatting 6 meals. I felt that was "increasing" your food intake by quite abit. Last cycle I did loose 2 or 2.5 pounds but I admit I did cheat here & there. My first cycle on the DG I lost 7.5 pounds. If you have not done a cycle at all, I would strongly suggest doing at least 2 cycles of the DG as it is spelled out so perfectly & easy to follow...no room for error. I hope this helps some. ~Prose Last edited on 30 April 2009 01:50 am by persimmon rose |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Evening my fellow BC friends... Hope you guys had a great day! I am so thrilled that I am doing this well this cycle, I have not had any cravings, no temptations & not hungry between meals!! I am not sue what has changed for me or if it is just my attitude this cycle ~ I sure hope it lasts!!! So I have one more meal left VF...not sure what to have as I had a salad for dinner with a hardboiled egg..VVVP. Annies meal of salad with strawberries & balsamic would have been perfect but not sure if I want another salad.... Love all the recipes & new ideas from you guys, it has helped! Omayra I am going to try your zucchini linguine soon. Cheers.. ~Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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How about inch loss? Prose, or anyone measuring inch loss? |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Today I was craving chicken wings so after reading up on low carb recipes, I bought a bottle of Frank's Red Hot buffalo sauce (0 calories). I sprinkled some cajun seasoning and garlic salt on some chicken breast strips and browned in olive oil cooking spray then poured the sauce over them. I think next time I'll omit the garlic salt because it came out too salty. They were ok. I dipped them in some calorie free bleu cheese (flavored) dip which I mentioned a while back. I know bleu cheese alone isn't enough to make a dip and the recipes I found go completely against the diet so I don't know how to come up with an alternative. Oh well. I've had 3 meals so far and tonight I'll be having my mixed meal. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Omayra - My DH loves ranch dressing, so for him I make a light version using Hidden Valley mix, lowfat milk and lowfat mayo. I usually prefer a vinaigrette, but sometimes I add crumbled bleu cheese to the ranch for myself. I know milk is not on the food list, but lowfat salad dressings are. Do you think this would be out of line for a dip with the hot wings? Just thinkin'. (Actually, DH invited company over for boxing Saturday night and I always barbecue hotwings from Costco, so was already thinking how to do this. I do have one meal that is AAAA, so this and vegs with dip should satisfy everybody. Do you think I'm safe in trying this?) AnniePS - I'm really liking this BC plan. Last edited on 30 April 2009 06:31 am by Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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You're right Annie. I think I'm going to take advantage of the fact that low fat dressing is allowed.I'll see if I can find some lowfat bleu cheese since I already ran out of that dip I bought. What is AAAA, is that 4 foods from group 4? If so, you might be deviating since the chicken is supposed to be skinless. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Ladies... Annie I think the recipe you use for the ranch would be totally fine. Plus homeaid dressing doesn't have any preservatives or things like that so I think it would be better. Now if we can have cheese slices & everyone (including me) are having brie & other cheese, don't you think that blue cheese is okay or even feta in moderation...It's not like you are going to eat an entire package. Prose |
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I wanted to see your thoughts/input: I wake up really early with a toddler that needs to get ready for daycare then I need to get ready for work ( My husband works in the city and is long gone by 6am!) anyway, I do NOT have time to eat until I get to the office(which is 2 hours AFTER I wake up).so I have been grabbing 10 almonds so my stomach is not growling and I have not been counting them as anything...THEN after work while feeding the baby and before his bath I have grabbed a protein drink with 100 calories and 21grams of protein to hold me over until the baby is down and dinner is ready...I do this b/c I feel it's better to get protein than eat cheese/carb or something else that is not allowed either... Are these 2 things going to really screw things up for me? |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning! Omayra - yes, the AAAA is my code for "Any", as in 4 from Group 4. I did a little spreadsheet for myself, from a basic menu sheet someone sent me, and I use a letter code to designate the meal plan for each day (FF (2 fruits), VV(2 veg.) and so forth. Spreadsheets make it so much easier for me - Once a bean counter, always a bean counter! The other thing I did that really helped me was to re-type all the allowed foods and alphabetize them within their groups. I know - too anal! And you're right about the skinless chicken. However, I think the whole plan is off. I went to grill some chicken breasts on my Traeger pellet grill last night and it won't start - again. Probably can't get it repaired 'til next week. Bummer. Morning Prose - I don't see anything wrong with bleu cheese, except that it doesn't slice very well. Hi reeldreamr - I really don't know what the answer is to your question. If you're up that many hours I imagine it is hard to stick to just the 4 meals (I'm assuming your doing the DG?) You might post your question in the General Discussion thread, as it is more active. Maybe one of the longer term members can give you some insight. Personally, I would think the protein is a better choice, but some say to have a piece of fruit, while others say to have an extra vegetable. Otherwise, have you thought about doing the BC with 6 meals? Have a great day everyone! Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Today I weighed in. At the beginning of this BC cycle I weighed 170.4 and I now weigh 164.8. I was hoping to lose more but I believe this was still a good cycle. I'm starting again with BC at day 1 today and I'm going to have a cheat weekend from May 7th to May 10th due to some engagements I have that weekend. After that I'll start another cycle from day 1. I think for this BC cycle, I'll try having 4 meals a day rather than 6, depending on how hungry I am. It should work just as well considering that the DG and the 10 rules plan have 4 meal menus. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Thats GREAT Omayra!!!! I was up one this morning from yesterday so we will see if it disappears by morning. I am weighing in every day to see how that works. Hey, I put a couple little dollops of the WF chocolate dip on waxed paper in the freezer...Not bad I must say! Just kept me from eatting a COOKIE!!!!!!! ~Prose |
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I read a a review where someone did that. You've gotten me curious. I'm using the syrup for now. When I open my second jar of dip, I'll have to try that! Well, I tried to make tomato sauce out of a fresh tomato and I was dissapointed. I guess I can use the rest of the tomatoes to make some bruschetta since I don't want them going to waste. I guess I'll just stick to making sauce with canned tomatoes from now on, unless anyone knows a secret to making it that I don't know. persimmon rose wrote: Thats GREAT Omayra!!!! I was up one this morning from yesterday so we will see if it disappears by morning. I am weighing in every day to see how that works. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Congrats on the loss, Omayra! Sounds like you have this plan working for you. I'm anxious to hear how doing 4 meals fares for you. I don't see why it shouldn't - like you said - 10 Rules has only 4 as well. Annie Edit to add: I almost forgot - I have my best luck making marinara sauce from fresh tomatoes if they are plum tomatoes or some other more fleshy type. And they need to be really really ripe to have the best flavor. If your sauce is still too thin or without enough substance you might have to add a couple squirts of tomato paste. (I use the kind that come in a tube, like toothpaste.) Prose - Cookies? On a diet? I'll be right over! Last edited on 1 May 2009 02:48 am by Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Well Annie, My T-O-M just came today. I ate 3 meals already. I'll do my best to hold off and just have 4 meals but if I feel the need to eat more, I will since I'm sure you know what this time is like. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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I don't envy you. I had surgery several years ago, but I still remember the pain, bloating and hormonal swings like it was yesterday. Take care and be good to yourself.Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Annie, Thanks, I will be good to myself especially since I have 3 toddlers to take care of and that won't help LOL |
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I know just what I'm going to do with the rest of the tomatoes I bough for sauce; I'm oven drying them. I read a blog telling others how they can make their own "sun-dried" tomatoes by baking them in the oven at the lowest temperature possible. I sliced them length-wise, sprinkled some sea salt and italian seasoning and coated them with EVOO spray. They've been baking for about hours now. I'll be using them in my alternative "pasta" recipes. I just dont like fresh tomatoes. |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi ... I'm on day 6 of bc and I am getting a little discouraged as my weight has not gone down. Well, I think because of water loss, when I weighed myself on day2 I had lost 4 lbs. Then on day 3 I gained a pound and have remained at that weight. I think I am eating the right portions...any ideas...I apreaciate your feedback. Has anyone had a similar situation or start losing weight after day 6...? Thank you ... alfina |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Alfina, I was down 4 pounds on Wed, then picked one back up yesterday today I am down 3.5 total & I am on day5. In the last two cycles, the second week is MUCH HARDER for me to stick too & I end up cheating!!! So then I gain back what I lost the beginning of the cycle. I am on my 3rd BC cycle & this time I have NOT cheated & I plan NOT TOO!!! I also am weighing in EVERY day to see how some of the menus effect my weight & when it comes back off or goes up. Depending on what happens ~ I might "modify" my next cycle to what I feel works better for me...maybe switch a day during the second week with day1 or day2 as those days seems to have made me loose more. But like I said I always end up cheating towards the middle to end so that VERY WELL could be why I gain back on those days. I have to do a perfect cycle & document to make a decision. Hope this helps ~ don't get discouraged, you are still down 3#'s so that is GREAT!!! ~Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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Thanks again Prose for your feedback. Yeah, I think for me, weighing in everyday is not such a great idea but since I have been doing it since the beginning of the cycle I will keep doing it... Also, I think I am going to try to eat a little less at every meal...I was really craving nuts in the beginning days so - I mean - I still am but I will cut back... I find that I am hungry when it is meal time but when I slow it down (my eating) I eat less and get full after only a few bites...I really don't want to do this 10 days and at the end be unhappy with the results. I will kick it into overdrive for the next few days... Good luck on not cheating...I know you can do it!!! Just give yourself a little pinch everytime you want to...lol jk Please update with your progress as I like to read what others are doing...thanks... |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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When my husband came back home from work he brought home a frozen pizza. Once I put it in the oven for him, I caved in and ate a slice once I took it out. I also ended up eating some chocolate chip cookies, drank some whole milk , had some chicken wings with bleu cheese, and drank a beer. I'm not beating myself up over that cheat meal. I had a good 10 days so I think I deserved it. I'm just continuing on with this second cycle today. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hey Omayra~ these days happen....life gets too tempting doesn't it. You have done so great & were really done with your cycle. I am sure you will be fine ~ as you know this diet works & will take care of that cheat day in no time. I am still so happy with the BC...much easier even with company over. Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi, For anyone who is interested and has read my posts I am down another pound today on day 7. Next cycle I will not weigh myself everyday...actually, If I didn't weigh myself everyday I wouldn't be saying -oh the first 4 pounds were just water (because I lost those on the first day-but for some reason I don't want to count them...)rather, I would be like wow...I lost 4 lbs in 6 days...if i weighed in for the first time this morn. I don't know if this stuff is interesting to anyone...but I'll keep you all posted ... just 4 days to go...take care... |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Wow, that's great Alfina! It seems like everybody loses 4 on the first day on BC. I highly recommend that you not weigh in every day. It took me 6 months to realize that. Now when I go on cycles I feel more relaxed and more comfortable eating when I need to. P-rose, Yep, life does get tempting. I did better yesterday, however, I allowed myself to add a big dollop of Cool Whip to my warm apples last night. That's just about the only deviation I had. I only had 3 meals yesterday due to a hectic schedule. I took the kids to a doctor's appointment and later ran some errands, so I had a very late lunch when I got back home, then I had my fruit for a snack. I made some fresh lemonade with with some lemons I bought and I used Splenda to sweeten it, of course. Full fat Cool Whip is only 25 calories per tbsp. That's just as much calories as a low-fat gourmet coffee creamer. Since some people add Cool Whip to their coffee, I guess I can look at it that way. Regardless, during this T-O-M, I'm just going to be easier on myself, especially on stressful days. |
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Alfina New Member
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No, for sure Omayra I will not weigh myself everyday next cycle. I'm just going to keep it up until the end of this cycle because I have been doing it thus far...and, I didn't realize that loosing these 4 lbs the first day was what a lot of people experience...so thanks for that info... |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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For my VVV & P meal, I had some spaghetti squash topped with garlic and home-dried tomatoes and Italian shredded cheese blend, coated with EVOO spray. It was pretty good, though I prefer it with homemade pasta sauce just because without it, you notice the taste of the squash. Since it doesn't really matter what kind of cheese you have, I had a "dessert". This time, I added a splash of vanilla extract, pumpkin pie spice and splenda to some cream cheese. I remember trying a cheesecake from Cinnabon one time and I got curious. It was pretty good. Last edited on 3 May 2009 06:36 am by omayra |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I ate some wings and bleu cheese again today for a late lunch. Before I started my first BC cycle, I had already bought a bag because I was craving that at the time. The best I've been able to do is to keep my deviations as low carb as possible. I guess sometimes all you can do is choose the lesser evil and wings and bleu cheese dip are a better choice than a pizza, or a burger with fries. I'll most likely be finishing up that bag this week. Next Monday, when I start a whole new DG cycle, I'll be off my T-O-M and hopefully I'll get through it without deviating. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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The wings & Blue cheese soud fine, are you concerned with the skin on the wings? Or are they breaded? Are you using the WF blue cheese or making your own as you talked about earlier last week? Do you find that your Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner are somewhat larger portiions with "less snacks" in between? Prose |
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persimmon rose New Member
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2 tablespoons MAXWELL HOUSE® Naturally Decaffeinated Instant Coffee 1 tablespoon water 1/2 cup SPLENDA® No Calorie Sweetener, Granulated 1 (8 ounce) container PHILADELPHIA® Light Cream Cheese Spread 1 teaspoon vanilla 1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon 1 1/2 cups COOL WHIP® Lite Whipped Topping 1 cup fresh raspberries You mix the coffee & water till dissolved. Mix creamcheese, splenda, dissolved coffee, vanilla cinnamon together. Gently mix in the cool whip (could leave out I would think) Put in cupcake liners, top with raspberries if desired. Pop in freezer till frozen. Thaw 10 minutes. I whipped up a batch & did add about 1 cup of the lite coowhip. They are in the freezer now. ~Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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Hey Prose and Omayra, I know you both have done previous cycles of the BC, but don't you feel in anyway by deviating from the list of foods that you are impeding your progress? I don't feel comfortable with the BC to do that yet but I was wondering what you thought? Also, some of the people on FL4I diet have gotten together and calculate the progress of pound loss of each person. I'm just wondering if anyone is interested in doing this with me. I will be starting a new cycle on Thursday, May 7th and thought this would be a good way to encourage motivation and focus and all the other great support stuff. Anyone want to do this with me, I am also willing to wait a day or two if your cycle will not be over... Thanks again for all the interesting posts... Alfina |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Alfina. In the mock cheesecake which I think you are referring... I am subbing cream cheese for a protein which your right is not listed. Personally for me ~ I don't feel that is much different than eatting cheese slices or cottage cheese for that matter. I did not eat the cream cheese prior to this cycle & have not noticed it effecting me in a negative way. Actually, finding things like this or even the baked apples on fruit day sprinkled with spenda & cinnamon have made me not cheat as it feels like you are having that treat you really need at times. Hope this helps some. Prose |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Alfina, P-Rose is right. The menu says cheese slices. On the DG it says "regular cheese slices". A serving of cream cheese as just as many calories as a serving of medium cheddar cheese. It also has fewer calories than full fat cottage cheese and half the carbs. Here's the comparison: Full Fat Cream Cheese, 1 serving;90 calories, 2 carbs Full Fat Cottage Cheese, 1 serving; 110 calories, 4 carbs Medium Cheddar Cheese Slices, 1 serving; 90 calories, 0 carbs At first, I followed the plan as closely as possible but since I managed to get to normal weight with the DG, I'm not afraid to make substitutions. If you make substitutions, try doing with something that has about the same amount of calories and carbs. P-Rose, I was concerned about the skin. They aren't breaded. I used regular bleu cheese dressing since I still have a bottle of it in my fridge. Yes, for the most part, my meals are larger portions with less snacks in between. |
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P-Rose That recipe sounds delicious! Let me know how it turns out because I have all the ingredients and I'm curious to try it. |
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Alfina New Member
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Prose and Omayra, I think you are creative and know what you are doing...and like you say if it prevents major cheats then that's great... Maybe next time around I'll try some of your recipes out...thanks alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Hi my BC buddies! I just posted on General Discussion about getting a hurt foot chasing my doggie - my apologies for not being around lately, but I am reading every post - just not hanging around long enough to post myself. I'm still getting in at least 5 meals a day, most of the time all 6. But my loss has stalled, although there are still a few days left on the cycle. If the results aren't as good as I hoped, I will still do one more cycle, and then maybe go back to DG for one or two. Just thinkin' of how to shake things up a bit. Alfina - Sounds like you're doing really well - when is your cycle over? Hopefully you will see great results! PRose and Omayra - You two ladies have been cooking up a storm over here! And still losing weight - Yay! I love all your ideas about the mock cheesecakes. Going to have to try some soon. I have Neufchatel, the block not the whipped. It is lower fat than full fat cream cheese, has only 1 carb and 70 calories per serving. I can't tell any difference in the taste and use it all the time for my regular baked cheesecakes. The only thing is, you would have to be sure to plan ahead and soften it since it's not whipped. My new quick favorite, since it's spring, is revisiting Gazpacho. I have a little Rocket blender which works very well for this. I made some yesterday - 1 15 oz. can diced tomatoes (I keep a can in the refrig. so it's chilled) 1 mini-cucumber (from Costco), chopped Chopped onion and garlic to taste Couple pinches of herbs (I used dry basil and fresh spicy oregano) Couple squeezes of lemon juice (can use balsamic vinegar) Salt and fresh ground pepper to taste Just blend to desired consistency. I like it chunky. (The whole can of tomatoes doesn't fit in my little blender so I blend the remainder seperately and then mix it all together.) You can add lots more things. Jalapeno comes to mind, as well as bell peppers, different spices. When not dieting I like to add chunks of avocado and a drizzle of olive oil. (In the winter I just blend up some canned tomatoes and add the seasonings I like, heat it through, and I have tomato soup.) This made enough for 2 meals for me yesterday. and really hit the spot. Have a great day and keep on losing! Hugs! Annie |
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Hi Annie, Nice to chat...actually, I'm a bit nervous I do my final weigh in tomorrow morning as today is day 10. I don't feel my clothes any looser and usually this is how I can tell when I lose weight...but we'll see what the scale says in the morning and I will post. No matter what I will take tomorrow off, as it was my bday last week and I postponed diner until tomorrow and then thursday I will try again. I think the hardest part for me is knowing how much to eat. No matter what I am always hungry for the next meal probably after and hour or so...so, I don't know if this means I should eat more or less...any ideas or comments. Take care alfina |
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Yesterday, my husband bought a 12 pack of beer on the way back from work. I had such a rough day, that when he offered me one, I couldn't say no. I had it with what was left of a bag of frozen chicken wings (about 8). Like last time, I dipped on some real bottled bleu cheese dressing. He wanted me to make some brownies, and I licked some of the batter. Other than that, I didn't do too badly. Come Monday, I'm switching back to the DG and I'm hoping I can have an untainted cycle. Today I get 4 foods from group 4. I'm torn as to what to fix. Everytime I get a meal from group 4, I try to make sure that's my last meal of the day since it's such a treat. So far, I've had 2 meals. Since I was out of bacon and eggs for my PP meal, I had cottage cheese like P-Rose makes it and some almonds.For lunch I had my VVVV meal. I ordered a Pampered Chef julienne peeler on eBay, and I julienned some zucchini for mock pasta, since I was really curious about the texture of julienned zucchini. I tried it 2 ways; Asian style, with onion, garlic and low sodium soy sauce, and Italian style with homemade pasta sauce made with crushed tomatoes, onions, and garlic. I liked it Asian style much better. I think spaghetti squash is best for tomato sauce. I'm thinking I should grow my own zucchini since I think I'll be eating it on a regular basis on BC as well as on veggie day on the DG. I've never grown my own veggies before though. I'm not sure how I should go about it in this house since we're renting. |
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Om...when I julienne the zucchini or summer squash...I do not julienne the(core) soft seedy part unless they are babies and are firm through. I like carrots, zucchini, summer squash and red pepper julienne together for a very colorful pasta! S S |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I don't julienne the core either. I'm curious, when you blend it with carrots and peppers, how do you season it? sunshine wrote: Om...when I julienne the zucchini or summer squash...I do not julienne the(core) soft seedy part unless they are babies and are firm through. I like carrots, zucchini, summer squash and red pepper julienne together for a very colorful pasta! |
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Sometimes with garlic and evo....or homemade spaghetti sauce or I make my own Asian peanut sauce if I have nuts on the menu.(you could use your walden farms pb and soy sauce, garlic chili sauce, cilantro and alittle sweetner. |
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Omayra - If you want to grow zucchini in a container, check out this link: http://www.earthbox.com/ I bought 3 of these, they're about 30 inches long and a little over a foot wide. I plan to plant tomatoes in one and peppers in another. Maybe zukes and yellow squash in the third one - or maybe flowers and herbs. You might be able to find something like this also on E-Bay. What's nice about them is that if you get the wheels you can move them around. I think my favorite way to have the julienned zucchini and yellow squash is to saute in a hot pan with EVOO, mix in a little garlic and toss with parmesan cheese (if on your menu) and fresh ground pepper. It's also good sliced lengthwise, brushed with oil and grilled. That peanut sauce SS talks about sounds really good, too. Annie |
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Alfina wrote: Hi Annie,Hi Alfina! Well, I wish you good luck tomorrow. I know you've been trying really hard to stay strictly to the plan. I'm having the same misgivings as you, because my losses are usually so small and take forever. When I was younger all I had to do was eat one less slice of bread or drink a bunch of water and I could lose 5 pounds practically overnight. Now? Not so much. I noticed on General Discussion that you wanted to join the teams and track your losses, but are planning to start right back on a new cycle with only a day in between. Some of the people on BC actually extend their cycle for one day by repeating Day 1. I know you're not going to do that this time - and you should take the day to celebrate your birthday, for heaven's sake! But what if you waited until Sunday or Monday to start back on your cycle and just maybe either take the whole time off in between or figure out a way to loosely follow the plan in the meantime? Just a thought. With DG, the idea is to follow the plan for 11 days and take 3 days off to eat differently. The shifting is supposed to help get your metabolism moving. As far as how much to eat? That's a tough one. Having done many DG cycles before starting this, I found it easier to get used to the smaller portions. Without that background, I would say you just need to experiment, maybe eat just a skosh more and see how that works? I tend to designate 3 meals as Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner, where I'll eat a little more. That makes the other 3 meals each just a snack. Which for me is a handful of almonds or maybe 1 ounce of cheese, with or without a small slice of ham, or a piece of fruit. This is just my first BC cycle, so I feel I'm still in the learning curve. I'll give it at least one more chance before I switch back to DG. Don't know if that helps or confuses? Hugs, Annie |
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Annie---actually all of your comments are helpful. I will join the FFF group that starts on Monday and tracks weight loss as a group for FL4I. In the meantime, I will indulge (a bit)tomorrow for cake and bday stuff...and then take the weekend off as everyone will be doing from the FFF group. In the meantime I will post my weigh in for tomorrow and any inch loss as inch loss is what really counts to me... thanks again...alfina |
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Omayra - When it comes to the chicken wings, maybe I rationalize too much, but here's my thought: On BC, we're free to choose from a whole list of proteins for any given meal. Chicken wings with skin can't be any more fatty than full fat bacon or sausage. Maybe less? If some choose a hamburger patty in lieu of sausage, why not wings? If they're like the Foster Farm wings I get at Costco, they have no breading, just seasonings, so the skin is the only questionable issue. Now, on the DG, I think the menus are generated with some days or meals being more fatty, i.e. bacon and cheese, and others quite lean, i.e. chicken breast and strawberries. And the reason there may be part of the calorie/carb shifting. Just a thought. Now the beer? I haven't come up with a rationale for that yet! Not a clue! Annie |
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Yeah you're right. During the DG, if I was out on the road, I would order some roast chicken from this local chicken restaurant in FL. You had the option of only ordering an entree. The thing was, that there wasn't as big a selection on the DG. It didn't really affect my loss. Light beer, I think just as much calories as a glass of wine which unfortunately isn't allowed on BC. I had a regular beer though. That's a complete deviation but I'm just being easy on myself this week because of my T-O-M. I had 2 beers today. I'm sure I didn't lose any weight. Annie wrote: Omayra - When it comes to the chicken wings, maybe I rationalize too much, but here's my thought: On BC, we're free to choose from a whole list of proteins for any given meal. Chicken wings with skin can't be any more fatty than full fat bacon or sausage. Maybe less? If some choose a hamburger patty in lieu of sausage, why not wings? If they're like the Foster Farm wings I get at Costco, they have no breading, just seasonings, so the skin is the only questionable issue. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi BCer's! Wow, I missed alot of chit chat yesterday! Some of your ideas for the VVVV sound great! I seem to be getting in the habit of salads, which I am enjoying lately. I will have to get the zucchini & try some of your suggestions. I loved the spagetti squash so will get that also. I also found that grilled portabella mushrooms aer very yumy!As I posted in the general area, I am thinking next cycle to try doing two sets of week 1 as week 2 does not do as much for me & I think the lighter days make me feel better overall. I am hoping to be at my goal on Friday or very close to it so I want to find what works to maintain but still follow the plan. Craving more water today so that is interesting as I think I am drinking enough. ~Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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Ok, so I weighed in this morn and I am down 3lbs from 140 to 137...I am very happy with this! I have also lost 1/2 inch on chest abs and upper leg and 1 inch on hips...again very happy. I will be starting the BC again tomorrow morning...like I mentioned I will take today off to do some bday celebrating that I was unable to last week. There are a few lessons I learned during my 1st BC cycle that I will keep in mind this time around, such as: 1. portion size-I think I ate too much as I was trying to figure out what satisfied was (I have been at times binging, starving and all those eating disorderly stuff in the past) and I think I am getting the hang of it now. 2. I always choose the foods that I would deny myself (which I think was good because now I am not craving them) like the beans and lots of nuts and these types of items; it''s not that I won't choose them I will just not over eat them. 3. I am a huge coffee lover and generally love cream and I would make my coffee about 10 cal's by using just a dab of non fat creamer but I would have about 5 or 6 of these-either in coffee or tea-a day. So, I will cut out creamer all together. 4. Salt-I just poured the salt on the food and will cut back a lot. 5. I will weigh on 1st and 11th day - not everyday as this was discouraging for me. I would still like to weigh in with the FFF group...but as you can see I'm not being very patient and I am starting my 2nd cycle of BC tomorrow. Thanks everyone for all your help ... it looks like I will continue on the forum for a while...Alfina |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi again...I wanted to ask does anyone else crave salt like crazy on BC diet? |
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Alfina New Member
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I guess I just can't get off this forum this morn LOL. Is anyone starting the BC today, Wednesday, May 6 and want to track weight loss with me...not as a competition of course but as support and focus? I would really like to have a partner this round... ...Alfina |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Alfina...I find that pure sea salt or mined sea salt(Realsalt brand) help replace minerals and tastes great and does not affect water weight gain like processed salt...try it and see if it works for you...I buy it in a small bulk baggie at my healthfood store. I use the Realsalt brand...a tiny bit pinkish in color. SS |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Alfina wrote: I guess I just can't get off this forum this morn LOLHey Alfina - I wish I could track weight loss with you, but this weekend is Mother's Day and there's a car show on Saturday and I really need to take some time off the diet - It seems to work better for me with a break in between. And as slowly as I lose, I need all the help I can get. But you need to do what's best for you - I can understand your enthusiasm and I say, go for it! I'll be checking in often, so please keep me updated and I will cheer for you. It's so great when you finally find something that works when nothing else does. AnnieOh, and about the salt - I agree with Sunshine. I've been using sea salt for quite some time now and it does not seem to cause me the problems regular salt does. And I have hypertension, but rarely seem to get puffy feet or anything from water retention anymore. I get mine in a grinder from Costco. It's Kirkland brand Mediterranean Sea Salt. Last edited on 6 May 2009 06:33 pm by Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I gained a pound back. I'm not surprised. This hasn't been a very good week. I'll weigh in again tomorrow morning and then start fresh on Monday. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Not to worry Omayra - you'll take it off and more next cycle when things go better for you. I've been all over the scale, but today I'm down 2.4 from the beginning of the cycle. That's only .2 pound down from my lowest last cycle - but it's heading the right way. I plan to do Day 1 over again tomorrow and take Thursday thru Sunday off and start a fresh BC cycle Monday. I mixed softened Neufchatel cheese with cocoa powder (a deviation - I know), vanilla, cinnamon and Splenda for a protein snack last night. Very good! But very rich - Two heaping spoons full was all I wanted. That was only my 5th meal and it was already 8 pm. Didn't plan on eating the 6th, but for some reason I was starving at 10:30. Another deviation - two spoons of Smart Balance peanut butter. As long as I'm confessing - My stomach was queazy yesterday morning, so I had poached eggs on whole grain toast. Woke up 1.2 pounds lighter this morning. What's up with that? Would I have lost even more weight had I been more vigilant yesterday? Or did all that deviation give my metabolism a shove in the right direction? Later! Annie |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Annie...I actually think those last two "meals" did it! Try it again sometime and see what happens! I've noticed that some nights when I was too hungry and "cheated" on a piece of cheddar or some nuts...I was down in the AM. SS |
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Sunshine - Yup - Could be that protein. I think I read somewhere that protein acts as a diuretic. ? Come to think of it, I may not want to do Day 1 with all that fruit over again tomorrow for my last day. Maybe I'll pick one with more protein - but stay away from sausages and more fatty ones. I gained a pound after Day 1 when I started this cycle. And I usually weighed more the day after Fruit Day on DG. Took a day or two to see losses. Thanks for the tip! Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Very interesting Annie. I have been starving the last couple days & am not sure why. I did have a cookie which was bad but I felt in a rut. I will have to try your protein dessert! Sounds good. I think Kitty is right as mixing things up even more does it & gives you that extra boost!!!! Prose |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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I'm up two pounds as usual after fruit day....I probably lost, it's just that carb sensitive bloat factor....I do feel better on the higher protein days...though I like a fruit or veg thrown in for a perfect day! SS |
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My deviations yesterday were really bad. Aside from 2 beers, I also had some of those Oreo "fun stix" and brownies with whole milk. Stress just really got to me. I'm doing my best to be good today. |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Omayra...hang in there...sounds like hormone/stress with the chocolate cheat Are those toddlers giving you gray hairs? Get a sandbox for your yard and give them a pan of water out there too...that always occupied my little ones...then hose em down! Annie...I really enjoyed your Earth Box link...do you know anyone who actually tried these? I love to garden but it is too hot here to do it successfully in the ground...so much water it is unbelievable...I've done a lot of container gardening...but I'd like to get more produce per pot! PR...how was the coffee" cheesecake"? Hugs all SS |
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Yep, during this time, it seems like they do give me gray hairs! My boys are taking a nap now, but my daughter refuses to go to sleep. Yesterday the hormones/stress really got to me. I live in new housing. Once the grass matures, I plan to take the kids out to the yard. I sure look forward to doing that. I hope I can hold out today but I doubt I will. I'm trying to though. sunshine wrote: Omayra...hang in there...sounds like hormone/stress with the chocolate cheat |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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sunshine wrote: ...Hi Sunshine - I found out about these planters on another forum I read a lot. Some of the people that talked about them have used the same planters for several years and swear by them. They advertise them in my city, but I've never talked to anyone here who's used them. The concept sure sounds good to me. We live in high desert, too, so if I can't water twice a day they burn up. Add to that mix the high winds we get being so close to 3 large rivers and you need to be able to move things around so they don't blow away. Last year I mistakenly bought a grape tomato plant that, on later inspection, was meant to grow in the cool damp Seattle area. I put it in a regular pot. Boy howdy, did we have some tough tomatoes! The skin was like leather and the insides were almost hard. I finally thought I might try cooking with them, and they wouldn't even soften up like they should. Then I tried freezing them, thinking they might break down - no such luck. Wasted freezer space. Thank heavens the farmers markets have wonderful produce! I hope these boxes work for me - It's been unseasonably cool and rainy so far, so I'm not even thinking about planting yet. Annie |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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OM...do you have a small concrete patio?...if you can keep them occupied with water or sand...it really helps....or I often put the kids in the tub with lots of fun plastic toys and took a book and sat in there while they played until they turned into little prunes! Your new place must be nice...the yard will be great when the grass is in! Annie...you live in the high desert also? Boy do we get high winds here too. We live by a high canyon wall that acts as a wind tunnel. The iron BBQ tips over, we replaced shingles on our NEW roof twice this spring, the cushions on outdoor furniture disappears if we forget to take it in...but I did find a beautiful hand knit hat that I love that blew in...heehee SS Last edited on 7 May 2009 02:16 am by sunshine |
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As a matter of fact, I do have a concrete patio. Now I'm thinking of getting them a small wading pool so they can play there during the day! Thanks! sunshine wrote: OM...do you have a small concrete patio?...if you can keep them occupied with water or sand...it really helps....or I often put the kids in the tub with lots of fun plastic toys and took a book and sat in there while they played until they turned into little prunes! |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hey girls...stress & hormones must be going around... I will blame that on me eatting the cookies!!! Enough of that ~ trying to stick with the plan. The stuff with DH's work is weighing on me more than I realize I think. Still keeping my fingers crossed as so far he is working (Chrysler for those that don't know). Things are just stressful & hectic. The coffee cheesecake was just okay, I did not like it enough to make it the same way again. I will have to try Annies latest suggestion. Off to keep watch IDOL!!! ~Prose |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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sunshine wrote: ...LOL Sunshine - At least you caught a hat and not a dog! http://www.tressugar.com/3090800 Annie |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Oh oh, PRose - I can't talk to you anymore tonight. You get Idol a couple hours before I do. I wonder who goes tonight...........? Don't tell me! You may already know. A couple years ago our DIL would call and ask my DH who he thought would be voted off. She was so surprised that he was always right. Until he spilled the beans and told her we were going online to find out before it even aired here! Omayra and PRose - You guys are lucky - you get to blame hormones. If I do, I only have myself to blame - for not taking my pill! Annie |
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Annie...I saw that story...so happy they got that tiny dog back...six miles away It is a miracle!! Don't laugh but the wind has been soooo strong and my neighbors two little Norfolk terriers just showed up in our back yard and my husband just finished delivering them home...too many cacti between our houses and quite a distance for little guys...though, I suspect it wasn't the wind Toto...but rather an escape plan!!! SS |
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Sunshine - Aha! So my Loosey and Romeo aren't the only two that think the grass is greener elsewhere. LOL - glad to know they didn't 'blow' in - can you imagine how terrifying that would be to such small creatures? |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I was good until an hour ago. I broke down and had some brownies while I was giving some to my boys for dessert as a reward for eating their dinner. Lately, I've only been good during the day and break down in the evening. I'll just start fresh on Monday since my hormones should be back to normal. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Oh man, Omayra -don't worry. Next week will be a whole new deal for you. I can't imagine how tough it would be with all the tempting foods you have to have on hand for your kids. You've done so well so far - and you will continue to succeed!Annie |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Om...I used to buy fig newtons (I can't stand them) and feed them to my kids or other treats that I don't care for but they loved...brownies are too hard to resist. SS |
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Alfina New Member
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hello...fellow bcer's I just wanted to let you know (well, those who are not reading the general discussion)...that I started my 1st day of my second cycle of bc today. I weighed in at 138---I'm going to implement the knowledge I gained from the first time around and we'll see how it goes...I am expecting awesome results... ...Have a great day...alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Hey Alfina - Only one pound up from your birthday celebration yesterday. Awesome! And good for you for jumping right back on the horse and goin' for another cycle of BC right away. I, too, feel like I've learned a lot this cycle. Even though I did many many DG cycles, the BC was quite different. -I think I have the portions sizes down now to where I know just about how much I should eat each meal. -And, the way I chose to designate 3 of the meals as 'regular' meals - Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner - with the other 3 as Snacks, worked very well for me. That way if I'm crunched for time I'll grab either a handful of almonds or a can of V8, and voila ~ one Snack meal. -My times for eating are laid out (and this varies often, but at least it's a loose plan): B - 8 to 9 am - usually protein S - 10 to 11 - usually protein / sometimes fruit L - Noon to 1 pm - usually a salad or gazpacho or ? S - 2 to 3 pm - whatever the menu dictates D - 5 to 6 pm - usually protein (&/or veg if on the menu) S - 8 pm - usually protein Anyway, I am down 2.8 pounds from the beginning of this cycle, which is .4 pounds less than my lowest weight last cycle. For me that's actually good. Hopefully I can lose a tiny bit more today before I weigh in tomorrow. Being a slow loser, I have lost 4.4 pounds in 4 cycles, that makes for a little more than 2 pounds/month. It isn't great by others' standards, but if I can keep doing this, with maybe a little more loss every now and then, I would be happy with that. If I lose a total of 10 pounds I will be happy at 135, but if I can lose 15 I will be ecstatic! I dare not hope for 20 pounds. I am repeating Day 5's menu today. Mostly fruit days do not show me losses, whereas light protein and veg days do. Then I'll start one more BC cycle on Monday. After that, I may switch back to DG for a couple cycles to keep changing it up. Hi PRose and Omayra! How are you two doing today? I hope better! Hugs all around! Annie |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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In spite of the fact that last night I had 3 beers, brownies and oreo fun stix,I still lost 1 lb this week! I lost 4 lbs last cycle and on my 7 day extension, I lost one more lb. I'll gain some weight back this weekend, granted, but I feel better knowing that I had a loss. Sunshine, you're right, I have to try to find some treats for the kids that I may not particularly care about. I'm just concerned about their weight since I'm having a hard time getting them to gain weight. I'll see what else is there. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi everyone~ Glad to see you guys here & doing well. FFF on our last day...finally! It seemed like a long cycle to me for some reason. Annie, I like your menu idea you listed. For some reason I find it hard to space my meals out without getting that one too late before bed. So you are saying that you think eatting protein last makes a difference??? HMMMM. I have been thinking to eat fruit or veggies, but of course that does not satisfy me at that time of the day! I will have to try that. So far today I had: (doing day 1 over) 7:15am: FF 1/3 apple & 4 lg blk grapes 9:45am: PP cottage cheese sweetened w/splenda & cinnamon noon: FF 6oz cup of strawberries/grapes 2:45: PA 2/3 apple cut up with sweetened cottage cheese again. Plus alittle (2 tbsp cream cheese) (could have eatten less than I did) 5:30-6pm: PVVV fish w/ ribbon zucchini, squash & garlic 8:30pm: FF probably berries again So I would say my meals that are larger are my 2nd, 4th & 5th meal. Is that good/bad or doesn't matter??? Prose |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Omayra...all my kiddos were super active and skinny. Unless the doctor says you have to fatten them up...I wouldn't even try....sweet treats are such a bad habit to try to break as an adult. How about those cheese sticks that are swirled mozzarella and cheddar...cheese has the calories they need without the sugar and junk. Real fruit roll ups from the natural food store are a better sweet treat. Even a container of fruit yogurt has the calories of cookies etc but is much healthier. Active kids tend to be thin....just keep them active and thin through their growing years and they will be much healthier than the couch potato TV/game addicts. You're a really great mom and make good meals for them....sadly the media pushes all these sugar loaded kiddie treats...ugh!...trying to make us think they are healthy if they whole grains and then fill them full of sugar! Take care of yourself and try to get a little relaxing time...with three toddlers that is a true challenge(My kids... four of them in 3 1/2 year span...so I know what it is like!!) I feel for ya! Kids are such a blessing...but there are those days where you just NEED A BREAK Hugs S SLast edited on 7 May 2009 08:25 pm by sunshine |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Sunshine, I try to feed them healthy food. Up until the boys were 15 months they were eating pretty healthy then all of a sudden they became picky. Lucky for me, they'll eat their veggies if I sneak them in. I own 2 books, The Sneaky Chef by Missy Chase Lapine and Desceptively Delicious by Jessica Seinfeld (Jerry Seinfeld's wife). I don't always follow the recipes to the letter but sneaking in cauliflower and zucchini purees into mashed potatoes and mac'n cheese has worked like a charm! I also bought some frozen spinach/mozzarella raviolis from Costco and I top them with pasta sauce and melted mozzarella cheese and they devour them! At 12 months the pediatrician became concerned and told me to feed them a scoop of full fat ice cream with after their meals. They were about 17 lbs at the time. Now they're 21 months and 23 lbs, with their clothes. The doctor here was not too concerned but he still said that they were at the lower end of the chart. Oh well... It was just a small square of brownies but my problem is my willpower. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Prose ~ I think whatever you find that works better for you is what you should do. I have never been much of a fruit eater. I have to remind myself to eat it occasionally. DH, otoh, loves fruit. So that prompts me to keep it on hand. If it weren't in the house I would only occasionally buy some berries or grapes or maybe melons in season. As long as it's in the house, I will eat it - but often not more than once a week. For me, a little cheese, or nuts late in the day seems to be the ticket, whereas fruit doesn't. I usually try to eat higher carb/glycemic foods earlier in the day for that reason. But we all different. Lots of folks seem to do better with fruit. Just a couple more meals and we can have    or not! Hugs, Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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I think this is interesting & will have to try it. I just think of fruit or veggies as "lighter" & honestly never think of the carbs or sugar in them. Glad I can make what I want this weekend. I think I will try one of those pizza recipes, there is one in the recipe section..OM did you make that one? Also BFrose posted a link that is make with cauliflower!!! Which I have on hand so I might give it a try. I know how silly when I can eat real pizza right!!! Annie ~ glad I have you for at least one more BC cycle ~ Zeva what about you? I know OM is switching back to DG next. Kitty are you doing a cycle??? ~Prose |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Someone posted a recipe from recipezaar.com called "Low Carb Crustless Pizza" I tried it. I bought some hamburger patties, topped them with WF pasta sauce and mozzarella. It was pretty good. I cooked the pattie first, then added the sauce and the cheese to melt it. When I did it according to the instructions the "crust" just fell apart. persimmon rose wrote: I think this is interesting & will have to try it. I just think of fruit or veggies as "lighter" & honestly never think of the carbs or sugar in them. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning! Down 2.8 pounds and happy. Just a quick one to ask if you have tried Meatza? I think the Atkins folks invented this. Lots of versions to be found on the 'net. Here's mine: 1 1/2 pounds ground beef 1 small onion, chopped chopped garlic, to taste 1 egg 1/2 cup parm cheese Italian herbs of choice s&p to taste Mix all together like you would meatloaf, pat out on 9x12 cookie sheet, bringing up edges like you would pizza dough. Bake at 350 for 20 minutes. Pour off extra grease and spread 8 oz. of pizza sauce on 'crust'. Top with 8 oz. shredded mozzarella, add toppings of your choice and sprinkle with parm. Broil 4 inches from heat on High, about 5 minutes or until cheese is melted and starting to brown. You can bake the crust ahead. I often make it 'Mexican' by using salsa instead of sauce and cheddar or jack cheese on top. This is still our favorite pizza alternative. Gotta run - Can't wait to hear how you all did on the scale this a.m. Hugs, Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Wow that looks quite yummy!! Will definately try it. I did make the cauliflower pizza tonight & it was very good!! Here is the link: http://www.examiner.com/x-355-Low-Carb-Examiner~y2008m6d4-Cauliflower-Pizza-Crust-Worth-its-Wow-in-Gold I did put the riced cauliflower in papertowel to dry it somewhat which helped. I will definately make it again. It would be a deviation but could we get away with it on a PVVVV day? I topped it with spinach, red onion, blk olives, tomatoes & mushrooms. I also made a yummy Dark & Sweet Bread Pudding (had pumpkin & dark chocolate).That was amazing..definately a reward for CD's. Prose |
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Hi Pr...I made it too but my crust was not like the photo and didn't hold together well. Tell me...what was your crust like....was it firm? Maybe I added too much cauliflower...I did blot it. SS |
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persimmon rose New Member
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I could hold the crust, but I have to say in the center of the pizza it was alittle softer/soggier. It all did hold together well ~ surprisingly. I made two & have the other one in the fridge. I did not have any fennel ~ that might have made it better. Once in awhile I did taste alittle stronger cauliflower flavor but we all really liked it. I had the two slices & was full but not hat heavy blah feeling that I would have gotten with regular pizza. I did "roll" the one cup of cauliflower in paper towel. I still want to try the other one that Annie makes in the recipe area made with cream cheese/egg & ital. cheese I believe. The latest Metza one sounds great also!! Prose |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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PR...I have made meatza...it is good~! |
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Alfina New Member
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So, I have a q for all you loser's out there in bc land... when you lose the weight...2,3,4 lbs...are you noticing inch loss or are your clothes fitting better. I am wondering how many lbs/inches it takes to notice... Might not be a good day to ask this question as I know many of you are on cd's...I hope it's good for you...I've got a few cravings myself... |
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Alfina New Member
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Oh, and I guess I will give a quick update...I am on day 5 and have not noticed anything...well, I'm not going to weigh myself until the cycle is over...but my clothes fit the same...I am doing a bit different and eating a bit less...I'm thinking maybe I need to eat even less...any feedback is much appreciated...thanks alfina |
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Alfina wrote: So, I have a q for all you loser's out there in bc land...Hi Alfina! - You sound kind of lonely doin' this all by yourself today. There are so few of us on BC that it does get pretty quiet on the weekends. But I must commend you for sticking to your guns and keeping on with your mission. I am not actually measuring right now, so I can't answer about an inch loss, but at around 4 1/2 pounds lost I do notice my jeans (which I wear every day) are not nearly as tight, and my 'muffin top' has lessened. I think PRose noticed her shoes were fitting better at a few pounds lost. I guess it's hard to say where it comes off first, all of us being different. The day I'm looking forward to is when someone tells me I have an oval shaped face once again. What sent me scampering for a diet, if you can believe this, was when I was in an optical shop trying on glasses and the assistant said I have a round face. Don't know why, but that was the final straw! Have a great rest of the weekend and we'll all be back on here chattering away come Monday, if not before. Regards, Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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lol, Annie...it's funny the things that set us off... Yes, your answer is what I was looking for as like I have said before I am more used to measuring inch loss so the lbs are a new thing for me. I will be done this cycle on Friday, well, that's day 10 and so Saturday will be my cheat day...Right now I only plan on taking 1 cd...but we'll see... Thanks...Alfina |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Alfina! Sorry it was very quite around the boards this weekend. I lost 7.5 on my first cycle & since them anywhere from 1.5-3 each cyclee. So after the first couple I definately did notice my clothes fitting better. I actually have dropped probably a full size jeans. I did not measure because I really only wanted to loose about 7-10 pounds total. I gain back alittle each CD so right now if I loose the close to 2 #'s from this past weekend & an additional 2 or so I will be there. I just have to figure out how to maintain. =) Instead of going up & down. Sounds like you are doing well & sticking with it! I hope your weigh in Friday goes well. ~Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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PR...yes, it has been lonely but I guess that has been partly my choice as I could have been on cd's too...! I (so it I was right) my jeans fit a little better today...so we'll see...yeah and my weigh in is Saturday morn and I am looking forward to a cd Saturday...I think I will only do one cd and then back on it Sunday...but we'll see. I may change my mind yet... How about vit's...are you taking vit's or does anyone know or take them...??? Thanks again...and I'm glad to see you all back-general discussion board attests to a bunch a avid loser's. Take care, Alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Hi PRose! Glad to see you back. Sounds to me like you're just about there, girl. I think I'll be here for quite a while yet. But at least so far this time around things are going better than when I first tried it last summer and fall. Alfina - Glad to hear the jeans are looser today. That's always the best sign for me, too. I've had two meals today, Breakfast was eggs scrambled with a wedge of Laughing Cow Lite cheese - I really like that stuff, and my first Snack was a Clementine tangerine and 3 prunes. I think I'll have some radishes with Laughing Cow for lunch, not sure yet. I posted another couple recipes on the Recipe thread over the weekend - I think they're good for both plans. Have to get some zucchini so I can try the Gratin. I like that the recipe calls for you to parboil the zucchini first - might keep it from getting too sloppy during baking? Gotta go find some flowers to plant - Later! AnniePS: I'll post about what vits/supplements I'm taking later today when I get back. Last edited on 11 May 2009 07:25 pm by Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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You sure like your flower planting!!! It seems too early here, it was only 40 this morning!!! I have had the following today: 7am apple/strawberries 930am apple/cottage cheese noon 1 pear sliced up 230 tuna/mock cheesecake one more fruit meal left (shooting for 5pm) then dinner around 7pm & that will be it. (chicken w/ garlic/zucchini & squash) I am wondering if eatting later & not having a meal after dinner might help me. I will see. I take the following: womans mulit vitamine (one a day brand) 1 flaxseed oil soft gel 1 bcomplex 1 prim rose soft gel? is that what its called????!!!! Fiber tablets.(really helps me) Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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PR-I like to eat 2 of my meals later in the evening at least...as if my last meal is too early then I am really hungry around 10 pm So, I don't know if it is good or bad but my last meal usually around 10 or 11 pm...hum Also, I just bought some new vit's called multisure and they have a small amount of digestive enzymes in them along with several other things including vit b and chromium...i think maybe I should take some fiber too as I get bound up from the protein days. I wan't sure if I should even take a vit with bc but I see others are... thanks Annie...yes, please let me know your vit supplement...I would appreciate it... Oh I am so happy to be on day 6!!! Alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Sounds like PRose and I are similar in what we take, although I have added some new ones recently - actually I started the new ones when I started back on FL4I 4 cycles ago. Not sure, but they may be what's helping give me at least a little boost in metabolic activity. Here's what I have taken for quite some time now: -One a Day multi for Women -Flaxseed Oil or Fish Oil, twice a day (for heart health and my dry eye syndrome) -Metamucil twice a day(for fiber) -Magnesium one at night (I get leg cramps from dieting and this helps immensely) -B Complex 100 daily Now, here are the new ones I started after researching how to boost slow metabolism: -Kelp -Zinc -Vit. A -Vit D3 (You can't get D3 from sunshine or milk from what I've read) And here's something that is strictly taboo on this diet, but I have a family history of heart and circulatory disease so I do not spare the good fats. I freely use either extra virgin olive oil or extra virgin coconut oil in my cooking. I by no means recommend doing this if you are having good results the way the diet reads, but in my case I don't want to take the risk. I'll forgo better results to stay healthy. There, now, I'll get off my soapbox. Annie |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Hey PRose! It's not that I really like planting flowers as much as I have the darnedest time deciding what to plant and where to find it. I was trying to save time and hard work today by going to Costco to buy three 12-inch pots already planted with flowers. They had a whole bunch of them last week. But, as you probably know, when you see something at Costco you think you'll want, you'd better buy it right away. Bummer, they were all gone today. And we're having 30 mph wind gusts today to top it off, so I am out of the planting business until the wind blows away. We finally have had nice enough weather to think about planting - it's actually at least a couple weeks late if not more compared to most years here. And our nights are still getting down into the 30s which is really unusual for so late in the season. Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Annie, I will have to look into the extra vitamins you mentioned. Yes the weather is the same here, pretty chilly at night. I am not in the mood to plant yet, probably do to the weather. I did pick up a couple ferns for our front porch planters at Sams Club. I know what you mean about Costco!!! It gets a tad annoying doesn't it! Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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Hey fellow bc losers, Speaking of weather, I woke up this morn to snow and sleet and -8 weather...how's that for ya...the perks of living in the North. I just wanted to give a little update. Today is day 8 for me and I am feeling great! My clothes are fitting looser and my perspective is still one of motivation and achievement. I think what is really helping me this time around is I am more aware of my portion needs and when I go to the grocery store to buy my bc foods...I am also picking up the things I am craving so I will have them on my cd...yippee---looking forward to my cd is really keeping me from cheating-I think. I very much enjoy reading everyone's posts... Alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Well good morning PRose and Alfina! PRose - I'm going to convert my fountain in the front of my house to a planter - fountains in windy climes are not very smart, I found out a little too late! It faces north - do you know if that is a good spot to plant ferns? I've never planted them outside before and had terrible luck years ago trying them as house plants. I want to do petunias and some vines, and maybe a few ferns. Oh and about those extra supplements? I'm not sure if they are what's helping me this time, or if it's the coconut oil, or just being more strict with the plan. I mainly wanted to try them as a test before I see my doc next winter. I think I may have some hypothyroid issues, since I run a very low temp and am always freezing, on top of recent weight changes ( ).Alfina - I am so glad for you! Loose pants! Yippeee! Don't you think it probably takes a cycle or two for us to figure out how to make the plan work for us? Just 3 more days and you will see your results. Weird - My lowest weight last cycle was actually the morning after the 10th day. I did an extra day of mostly protein to keep in step with the DG folks' 11 day cycles, and the next day I was up 2 pounds! But by the time I started again on Monday a.m., I was only up about a pound from the lowest weight. Well, had my scrambled eggs with Laughing Cow Lite and I'm getting ready to go do something - even if it's wrong! Have a great day, Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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Good Evening Annie, Yes, I know for sure that it took one cycle for me to have even an idea of what satisfied vs full was, and even now i'm not always sure if I am eating too much or too little but I do know I am getting better at it. I can't wait till Saturday morning!!! Alfina |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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Hi everyone, I'm just popping in to say hi. Alfina, I know how you feel about being confused over full vs. satisfied. Me personally, I try to eat to the point where I'm full, yet feel like I have a little room left over. Otherwise, I can't function and I like to space my meals out as far apart as possible to suit my schedule. I also don't want to be tempted when I'm on the road. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hey BCers! I had the same trouble with this the last two days...had the munchie so I think I ate to much at a couple of my meals to make the cravings & munchies stop...Did not work well I have to say! Tryin to have a few really good days till we leave Monday. Annie~ I have my ferns on the porch which would be facing East. But I think as long as they are in the shade alittle they will do fine. We also have some in the back of the house facing West & they do well too. So I have to admit I am ADDICTED to the sweeted cottage cheese.I could eat it every singel PP meal!!!! Could be worse I guess, right? Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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Omarya and Prose, You know what, I always get my cravings at night...after midnight...something like a vampire I guess (LOL) What I have been doing for the past few months, and probably doesn't sound too yummy but I am chewing gum when I go to bed. I find if I wake up at 1 or 2 am then I taste the gum and I feel almost satiated and obviously I don't want to eat with a piece of mint gum in my mouth...I have found this prevents me from binging...if anything, I just get a fresh piece of gum. Is this nutty or what??? beats an alarm on the fridge I have been looking for a solution for this for years...as I have always woke up at night. I hate waking up in the morning after sleeping with heavy food on my tummy. Another thing, when I wake up I have little control as I am almost sleep walking, I'm not really aware... I weigh in tomorrow morn... alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning! PRose - Thanks for the info on the ferns. I may try a few in with my purple petunias in the fountain I'm planting. Sounds like they'll do well there. Did you read my post on GD? I had the same feelings of cravings that you and Zeva had yesterday. What's up with Day 4? Alfina - You're on the home stretch now. I hope you are really happy and surprised with your results tomorrow! Funny that you mention the gum at night. My mother always brushed her teeth as early in the evening as she could to dissuade herself from wanting to snack. Same reason - the minty taste! Thanks for popping in, Omayra - Good to see you! We miss all your food innovations - I am especially grateful for the cream cheese idea. Since you posted that I also found one very similar on a low-carb forum. It's a real treat when we can't have the fro-yo. I have something in my freezer now that I know I shouldn't have bought at Costco until closer to CD. Thankfully my extra freezer is in the garage so I don't see it every day. It's Island Way Sorbet. The sorbet is in single servings frozen in the fruit shell. Apple sorbet in a half apple shell, coconut in a coconut shell, orange in an orange shell, etc. And they're really low-cal, too. Some are only around 70 cal/serving. Oh well- stop thinking about it, Annie. Hugs, Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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I've just realized that my cd falls on a great day...tomorrow is the Saturday of the May long weekend here in canada...bbq...I'm hoping!!! |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi fellow losers!!! I am happy to say that I lost 6lbs and inches at the end of my 2nd cycle on bc. That's a total of 8 pounds in like 20 days. I knew I was doing something right this time around... so, cd today and then back at it tomorrow...I dont't know what to eat but I'm sure it will be good! Have a great day! alfina |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Wow!! Great Job Alfina. Enjoy your cheat weekend! You deserve it!! Prose |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Woohoooooo Alfina! Yay! {Doing a happy dance for you) You found the magic formula!Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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Thanks Prose, and Annie I sure did!!! |
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lysieso New Member
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Hi ALL, I'm starting Beyond Calories today. I'm excited about the varieties, nervous about it not being as successful as DG for me...but, there's only one way to find out. I'm curious about Coffee w/ Creamer. What's others experience been? Cream only? Not Half and Half or milk? Straight cream? I'd love to have coffee if I can, I just don't want to mess up because coffee and cream sounds delish but also sound real fattening. Thanks~ Lysie |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Welcome Lysie! After having done several DG cycles, I am now on my second cycle of BC - Day 8. And so far, I prefer it. It was a little hard working in all 6 meals each day, but I found some ideas here that helped me get them all in most of the time. As for creamer, here's what I found in the BC handbook, copied and pasted below: "COFFEE (you may use creamer and artificial sweeteners only) *You may not order flavored coffee such as latte or espresso, those will ruin this diet." Calories in 1 Tbsp. Half and Half - http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-cream-fluid-half-i1049?size=2 Calories in 1 tsp of Coffeemate original creamer - http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-coffee-mate-original-i84851 So, I guess it's a tossup - actual half and half has less calories per tsp. than creamer does. I don't even drink coffee, so I'm not much help - maybe PRose or Alfina, or someone else who does might tell you what they've been doing. I think Zeva's on BC this time as well. And, as always, if you can't find your answers here - someone is always checking in on General Discussion. Anyway, welcome and good luck with BC! Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi Lysie, I am on my second cycle of bc and am down 8lbs!!! The first cycle I used fat free coffee creamer...just a teaspoon per cup but I was having 4 or 5 cups a day...I only lost 2lbs on that cycle...at the same time, I was trying to find my sense of being satisfied with my food intake and think that I may have overate at some meals...Anyhow, on my second cycle I cut out the creamer all together and I feel I am eating an appropriate amount. I think that you could use the creamer sparingly and keep in mind what the word sparingly means...for me it's just better I omit it. Hum, hope this helps...alfina |
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lysieso New Member
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Thanks much Annie & Alfina. I will forego the creamer for the sake of poundage reduction (lol). I drank coffee only once or twice a week on DG when I had a milk day so I've kinda weeded myself off of my daily coffee habit. I'm definitely nervous about portion control but I imagine as I begin to get used to it, i'll figure it out. Congrats on your losses on BC. Alfina, it sounds like this last cycle was an 6lb cycle for you. Now that's what I'm talking about! I had a great Cycle 1 of DG and lost over 12lbs. The second two cycles were far less amazing---but I was still losing. Hopefully BC will be more enjoyable diet and just as, if not more successful for me than DG. Are ya'll spreading your meals out more than 2.5 hours apart or less? Thanks and have a great week~ Lysie |
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Alfina New Member
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lysie...I try to eat my meals 21/2 hours apart but often they are 2. I'm pretty sure I know why I only had a 2 lb loss in cycle 1 and a 6lb loss in 2...portion size...now i eat slowly and enjoy every morsel and stop picturing portion size as I have known it in the past. If someone told me that 1/3 apple and 4 prunes was going to satisfy my appetite before this diet I would have thought -OMG BC will make me starve-but not so. I am hungry when it is time for the next meal...but I take a breath (to slow my self down) and then nip a way until all of a sudden the hunger is gone. I still wonder how it happens... Sometimes I want to gobble everything up and go crazy but I just remind myself of my choice day coming, buy foods for that day and remember that horrible feeling of cheating and the GREAT, TERRIFIC feeling of seeing results... best of luck...alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning Lysie and Alfina! Like Alfina, I try to space my meals 2 1/2 hours apart as well, but most of the time it's just 2 hours. If I would get up earlier in the a.m. it might help. Also, my DH and I are used to eating our main meal around 5 to 5:30. So, dinner is usually my 5th meal. Then the 6th is really just a snack around 8-ish. And, yeah, being able to be satisfied with the smaller portions is pretty surprising, when you get the hang of it. I keep a smal jar of almonds in my car, so when I'm out and it's time for a "meal" I have a handful of nuts on the run. (Hey! Is there a song like that? ) Actually, I count out 20 almonds one by one as I'm driving and it's all I need. Even for lunch, I often have a salad - just romaine, cukes, tomatoes, celery and light balsamic vinaigrette. When I started BC I was eating it from a big salad bowl. Now, I've downsized to a much smaller bowl and I'm still satisfied. Who knew?I'm pretty close to my goal, only 10-15 pounds away, and like others have said, that's when it is the slowest going. I think BC is better than the DG for me, at least these two cycles have been, but I'm happy with losing 1 to 2 pounds per cycle. Anything more and it's a real bonus. Anything less, and all I can say is at least if it's a loss of any kind I'll be okay with that. Have a great day! Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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Annie...LOL, I know I used to make my lunch salad in a huge bowl and use a whole bag of lettuce...my lord...and now I use a handful of spinach and other vegi's in a regular soup bowl...too funny I really am laughing my A#* off!!! Alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Alfina wrote: Annie...LOL, I know I used to make my lunch salad in a huge bowl and use a whole bag of lettuce...my lord...and now I use a handful of spinach and other vegi's in a regular soup bowl...too funny I really am laughing my A#* off!!!I know! It is funny --- I overheard DH telling someone the other day - My wife is on another diet. This time she eats 6 so-called meals a day. But to her a "meal" is a piece of cheese or slice of turkey! (And then they had a good laugh! - What do they know?) I could get used to eating like this - or at least I hope I do. |
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lysieso New Member
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Gosh Ladies...1/3rd an apple and 5 prunes sounds like a tasting...not even a snack and 20 almonds for a whole meal seems a little bit like starving. But ur both saying that you don't feel hungry huh? I guess I'll try it. I had an orange and about 6 raspberrie for meal#2 --I have about 45 minutes to my next meal and I gotta say...I'm hungry. But yes, I do love the weight coming off. I dream of wearing cute clothes that I can't fit into yet...geez just losing 20lbs these past 2 cycles has gotten me in clothes that I could barely wear and has me feeling really good. I just really want to keep it coming off but in a way that's healthy and sustainable. Annie--Only 10-15lbs away from goal seems unbelievable...congrats! Thanks again for the info..I'm gonna be mindful of portion control. But I may need more than a few bites of apple (lol) but we shall see. Lysie |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Lysie- I have a problem staying satisfied with fruit. But that's why I'm glad BC allows prunes, something I rarely eat otherwise. For some reason, even though they are also low-glycemic, they stick with me better than do berries, citrus and other fruits. On DG, I am hungry all day on the fruit day. Whereas 1/2 cup cottage cheese or a 1 oz. slice of deli turkey spread with 1 oz. of Laughing Cow Lite cheese really fills me up.(Sometimes I even share the last bites with my doggies) Even lettuce and veggie salads stay better than fruit does. JMTC~Annie |
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Alfina New Member
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Lysie...yep, I would have never believed that such little food could satisfy me...Right now I am eating my 3rd meal...a bit late and I have to squeeze in 3 more. I'm eating about 1/3 cup cottage cheese (2%) and about 15-20 peanuts...yum yum...I eat this alot it seems to satisfy not only my tummy but my taste buds...alfina |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning BC Buddies! How are you all doing? Lysie - How's your cycle going? The portion control gets easier as you go along - my 2nd cycle ended Wednesday and I lost 2 pounds, 0.8 of that is net loss, which is actually very good for me. Alfina - Hanging in there? Where are you on your cycle? Are you just finishing up another one? I only did the 10 days as planned this time. My 11th day, which I added on to the first BC cycle, only had me gaining back some weight anyway, and I wanted to enjoy a nice lunch with my friend yesterday. So I think I'll actually take 4 days off and start again on Monday. I would like to do that from now on, if I can still see progress while doing so. Right now, if I could lose 10 more pounds (and I know it'll be very slow) I would be very happy. Did you read Cheetah's post on DG? I would love to be able to be where he and his wife are, able to just eat whatever, but in much smaller portions, and continue to lose or maintain. PRose is back with us today - So hopefully we will 'see' her soon! Cheers! Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Guys...I mean Gals! Yes I am here. Trying to get caught up with posts & get back in the swing of things. Hey Zeva, what is the cottage cheese dessert you mentioned in the GD area? Is it the one I do with the splenda & cinnamon? I am doing day 1-3 this weekend or at least thats my plan & then will start a new cycle on Monday. I also thought about what Zeva said & try to do a fruit day ~ I might do that on Sunday if I decide to go that route. So sorry to here you had such a rough couple days Z!!! Glad everyone is doing well overall! ~Prose |
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Alfina New Member
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Hey losers... Annie-I am on my 6th say of cycle 3...boy do I have some cravings this time around...well, I'm going to do like last time and start stocking my cupboards with those cravings. I find when I do this I don't eat it but look forward to eating it on my cd. I feel my clothes getting looser so that's the goal and I'm looking forward to my weigh in on wednesday. Glad to see you are still a loser...have a great weekend...alfina |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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Hi There! I have been missing in action for awhile but now it is time for me to get serious. I did several DG cycles last go around and then tried BC. Things have been hectic because of work, kids, and we are starting to build a house. Anyways, I am giving BC another shot. I have a few questions though. Do you guys do 10 days and then take cheat days? If so, how many? I like my cheat days to fall on the weekend if possible but only doing 10 days, it wouldn't always fall like that unless you took more than a few cheat days. Zeva- I know when you first started BC was around the same time that I tried it. Have you continued on BC or switched back and forth? Do you do as well on BC as you have done on DG? Thanks for letting me ask all my questions. I need a lot of support because I have had a hard time sticking to anything. Most of that is stress I am sure but things are slowing down now so hopefully I can be more dedicated. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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snordstrom wrote: ... Do you guys do 10 days and then take cheat days? If so, how many? I like my cheat days to fall on the weekend if possible but only doing 10 days, it wouldn't always fall like that unless you took more than a few cheat days.Hi snordstrom and welcome back! I'll be starting my 3rd BC cycle Monday. Some do an extra Day 1 after the 10th day so they can be in sync with the DG folks as far as CDs are concerned. I'm still finding my way on that. First cycle I did an extra day and gained weight doing so. This time I started on a Monday and finished the 10th day last Wed. I'm taking 4 days off to see if I can sort of maintain until Monday - I actually did 6 small meals yesterday and drank a boatload of water and wound up not losing or gaining anything. I'm close to my goal and so it's going really slow for me. So I want to try to make this a way of life, since it seems I'll be around here after everyone else has lost what they needed to and moved on. I do know that so far Alfina has just taken one day off and then started another cycle. And Zeva just did another BC cycle after having switched back to DG recently. I was going to go back to DG next time around, but I much prefer the BC, and it seems to have spurred on my meager weight loss a bit - at least for now! Building a new home? Wow! Did that 3 years ago - Brace yourself, nothing goes as planned, but it will all be worth it once it's finished. Cheers! Annie |
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lysieso New Member
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Hi All, Yeah, its been a rough week for me. I got my TOM on Monday so of course I was about 6lbs heavier than I was just 3 days before on Friday. Then it didn't help that I was so busy that I hadn't gotten a chance to go food shopping or prepare my meals. And I had to pull an all nighter to write a grant for work so I drank coffee and cream all night. So yeah its been a rough week emotionally and physically. But I hope that I can start fresh omorrow. Get up and exercise and go food shopping so that I can do my meals correctly and maybe even see a little loss this week. I'd love to be able to lose 3lbs more this cycle. Not tons. Not 7 or 5...just 3 little pounds. So thanks for asking Annie. And CONGRATS ON YOUR LOSS. I was bummed to start my first cycle on BC on such a lousy note but "Life sometimes gets in the way" or shall I say "gets in the weigh"- LOL I have Sunday through Fri left for this cycle (I started on Tuesday instead of Monday) so keep your fingers crossed for me that next week will be tons better than this week was. Lysie |
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Alfina New Member
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Hi Snordstrom...I am not a vet at this or anything but I am on my 3rd cycle of bc and have not tried dg. I took 1 day off between both of my cycles...and I am not particular about whether or not my cd falls on the weekend or not...so, I'm not much help. My weigh in is on Wed morning this time so that is my cd...then back at it thursday...or at least that's my plan, I may take 2 cd's this time we'll see how I feel about that after 1... good luck...alfina |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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Thanks for all the help guys!! I have decided to start on Wednesday. I just got home from my daughters recital and am exhausted. Tomorrow night is my son's graduation and I know that will mean dinner out afterward so I figured Wed would be a better day to start. I am glad that summer is here and all the activities and homework will stop. I will be able to better focus on the diet and having everything prepared. I don't know how I will do the cheat days yet...probably just play it by ear. I may take just one sometimes and other times more. :) |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Hey WELCOME back Snord!!! Great to see you! Sounds like a busy week for you... hang in there. Start whenever you are ready...even if you have to wait until next Monday...we will be here for you! As you already know from experience, this is a great plan and a great group of losers Sunshine |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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Thanks Sunshine :) This is a great plan. My MIL has lost almost 30 pounds so far on the DG. I am hoping things will settle down now where I can be more focused. |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Snord are you doing the BC or DG this cycle? |
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omayra Distinguished Member
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I just tried this on the DG. For a PP meal you can make a "crust" out of mozzarella cheese and top it with pepperoni and zap it in the microwave until the cheese melts. It doesn't cut like a pizza but it hits the spot. I guess you can try the crustless pizza on the recipe thread and top it with pepperoni and have the ground beef count as another sausage. Last time I tried it, I only used a burger patty as a "crust" and topped it with Walden Farms Pasta Sauce (calorie-free) and cheese, never thought to add pepperoni. I'm still doing the DG. I'm not sure whether I'll switch back to BC next cycle. Last edited on 28 May 2009 02:16 am by omayra |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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That 'pizza' you just invented sounds good, Omayra! I'll have to try that when I have PP. I almost picked up some thin sliced Italian salami at Costco today - darn it. I did get some fresh mozzarella. Did you ever try pepperoni 'chips'? I don't have the exact temp or time, but I'll Google it and let you know. You bake them at high on a cookie sheet, then use them for dipping. They're actually pretty good, but filling (which is good - you don't eat too many that way). I read your discussion with Sunshine on GD about the 'glass ceiling'. I'm sure I have read about this before too. I keep thinking I've heard it also called a weight 'setpoint', and each time you get to one of those, your body feels comfortable and just wants to stay there for a while before losing again. Can be very frustrating. I think that's what happens to me, too. And just like SS said, the only advice I've ever seen is to try and change things up a bit, mainly by switching food choices temporarily, or going from lowfat to high fat or vice versa. Anyway - thanks for sharing! AnniePS: Just found the chips recipe: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/george-stella/crispy-pepperoni-chips-recipe/index.html Last edited on 28 May 2009 02:35 am by Annie |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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I am trying the BC. I like being able to decide what I want to eat somewhat. :) |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi Everyone! The pizza sounds great OM & I might actually try it today for lunch! Also the pepperoni chips...fun snack Annie! I am alittle irritated...no cheats & I am up .5 pounds...normally by today I am down at least 2#'s!!! What the H**?????? Oh well sticking to plan even closer today...as if thats possible. I know what you mean OM about loosing more slowly now..for alot of us it seems we are in the same boat relative to that. Cheers..off to drink my first 16oz glass of h2o!!!! ~Prose |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Prose...sometimes it happens...hormones or lack of, food in the gut, water retention, sore muscles, taking over the counter pain killers or allergy meds...all kinds of things can affect the scale.....BUT you can still be losing and it will eventually show up...and surprise, you are lighter! Just keep doing the right things and eventually the right things will begin happening to you! Hang in there and don't let that... Ol scale...cause you to give in! Well Om and Annie...I picked up some pepperoni today...you made me...LOL Hugs to you all! S S |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Hi everyone! Been busy all day. My car decided it needed a new thermostat so we jockeyed vehicles around and stuff like that today. I was pleasantly surprised this a.m. After having gained 3.4 pounds over my four CD , and adding another fraction by yesterday I was sure I was doomed this cycle. But by today I have already lost 2.8 pounds of that and am at the lowest I've been this early in the cycle. (Still .6 pound from my lowest so far, though). So, PRose - I'm sure it's like SS says and you will be losing that .5 pound and then some. Maybe even as soon as tomorrow. (I just hope you don't have to talk about this in terms of fractions, like I do - It's sure frustrating to lose this slowly). I'm wondering how Alfina is doing - haven't 'seen' you for a few days. Hope you're still a loser! Later 'gators! Annie |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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sunshine wrote: ... Hope you like the chips - I kind of forgot about them until Omayra mentioned pepperoni. They're not bad at all - in fact my granddaughter really likes them.Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi There!!!! SS ~ you were right!! I honestly can't believe it but maybe your explanation is very true & accurate! I weighed myself 3 tims this morning & am down 5.5#!!!! Is that possible???  It is like the scale totally stalled the entire week & now it's finally catching up!!! I am so excited, I know I will go up & down but I just can't believe it..Annie~ sounds like your cycle is going great also! I really love the BC! I honestly feel you could somewhat follow the plan all the time even to just maintain but still do the switching. With being able to pick your meals makes it not restricting at all. Last night for my dinner meal (PP) I had made a roast for my DH so I just had the roast beef & then I made Omayra's mock cream cheese dessert with the WF chocolate & a touch of caramel dip..So amazing!!! I actually thought I might have ate a tad too much overall that meal but maybe not! I will also try those chips. Do you need to refridgerate them? Hope you guys have a great day!!! ~Prose Last edited on 29 May 2009 12:07 pm by persimmon rose |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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PRose!!! I am jumping up and down for you!((( .)))!! That is wonderful news - Isn't it great? Now you know that you are on the right track. You were off-plan for a while with your recent trip and so it must have just taken you an extra day or so to let your body know you mean business. Congratulations. And yes, I do think you're right - this would be a good plan to maintain on. I took 4 days off after last cycle, and the first day, using CD foods I still did 6 small meals while drinking lots of water. I stayed the same weight. When I went completely off-plan for the next 3 days I gained the 3.4 pounds. You will find several hits on the pepperoni chips by Googling it. Some put cheese on toward the end of baking, others add fresh ground pepper. Watch them closely in the oven - times will vary with the brand and type of sausage. The George Stella recipe just says to keep them in an airtight container. This link says you keep them at room temp.: http://www.recipezaar.com/Pepperoni-Chips-107235 (You can also nuke them - experiment with the time on that, though. A couple seconds too long and they'll be inedible.) Wonder if you could take the already crisped chip, put a dab of marinara on it (or piece of sun-dried tomato?) and a smidgen of mozzarella, then under the broiler a few seconds to melt the cheese? Be right back - out to the store for pepperoni!Cheers! Annie |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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Prose...I am soooo happy for you!!! That is just the clearest example of why we should not just give up and in when the scale is discouraging us...and just keep going! You ought to share that on the main discussion! So many get freaked out by a scale not moving or going up...and they just give up and say well I might as well eat a bag of cookies But...if we do the right things...eventually they do show up for us!! How true! Yay for you!! S SPS..Annie...you are too funny...you keep eating that pepperoni and your dogs will be sniffing your breath thinking that you ate their Pupperoni Dog treats...hheehee |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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Hi guys!! Congrats on all the losses. I am hanging in there for this first cycle back. I think BC is really going to fit me better as I like to have choices. I like the second part of the 10 days more than I do the first for obvious reasons. I went to the grocery store yesterday so I am a little more prepared for the second half of my 10 days. I haven't been perfect but I am still down and I am just going to keep plugging away at it. We close on our construction loan on Thursday which will be a stress off of me for awhile. :) I am excited to see the house to start going up. |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Hi snordstrom - Glad to hear the plan is working for you. I much prefer BC, too, this being my 3rd BC cycle. I kept saying I'd try one cycle to rev things up, then 2 cycles ....., and return to DG. But, I just keep going back to BC. There are more choices, and you get to have more like a real meal almost every day. Never thought I'd get all 6 meals in, but now it is seldom that I don't. I think it makes me more aware of drinking enough water, too. I don't get up real early, and we usually eat our dinner around 5 pm, so I am eating nearly every 2 to 2 1/2 hours. That makes for very small 'meals' - often just a handful of almonds or a wedge of Laughing Cow Light cheese, or even a 12 oz. can of V8 for the all veg meals. But I'm rarely, if ever, hungry. And I think my metabolism is making a return visit to me - what a pleasant surprise! And I can relate to the new house. I really enjoyed picking out all the carpet, tile, fixtures, and colors - but I felt exhausted at the end from so many decisions. You'll have a good time and it will be so rewarding when it's finished. We had sold our home in AZ in May that year, and wound up living in our 5th wheel until December, in the snow in WA. Way too much fun, not! Cheers! AnniePS: Where's Alfina and Lysie? Last edited on 1 June 2009 02:53 am by Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Hi BCers's!d Hope all of you had a great weekend! I am doing great this cycle. I did get the laughing cow cheese Annie & I love it! Also find I do the V8 juice quite often..so much easier than cutting up & having veggies in the house! Cheers~ Prose |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning! PRose - Glad you like the LC cheese. There are a couple other flavors, but I still prefer the original light version. It's so versatile. You can spread it on celery and other veg., bread or crackers on CDs, but I really love to scramble a wedge with a couple eggs. And I'm so glad you had brought up the V8 a while ago - it's been a regular for me! You know those green bags advertised by Debbie Meyers (with the irritatingly whiny voice)? I am truly amazed at how well they work, if you use them the right way. I found out that if you put your vegs in them, unwashed until ready to use, along with one sheet of dry paper towel, and just fold over, not twist the tops ~ most foods last an unbelievably long time. I bought a bag of 6 heads of romaine at Costco over a month ago and just finished using the last head. It was every bit as fresh, and even crisper than when I bought them. What I did was, the first time I needed some of it I washed that head only, drained on paper towels, and wrapped in a fresh dry paper towel before placing back in the bag. Then each time I used some, if the towel was damp I replaced with a new dry towel. Then when a bag is emptied, I turn it inside out, rinse it well, stand it up to dry it and re-use it. I've had my bags for probably 6 months now and have only had to throw one away so far. Last night I used the rest of the cauliflower that I had bought a week and a half ago, and it was still in good shape. I don't think everything will last a whole month, not sure about berries and other fruits, but I know I've saved money keeping vegs fresh longer. And even parsley lasts longer!I'm back down to my lowest weight from last cycle as of this a.m. Things are going well for me this time around, just gotta keep working the plan! Dare I hope for a net loss of a complete pound this time? Have a great day everyone! Drink your water! Hugs, Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Funny you mention those bags..I just bought some & will try your idea of the paper towel! I get so mad when the fruit & veggies go bad so quickly!! Congrats on your lowest weight...me too as of this morning. My numbers are bouncing around like crazy this cycle so I hope I finish at a good number for me! Sticking to plan perfectly & no cheats or cravings..should not say that & jinx myself... Anyways hope we both finish strong this week!!!Finished my garden on Saturday & wow is it filled up but spaced properly...I think! How is your planting going are you done? Hope everyone else is doing well on the BC...who else is on this cycle? Kitty?? I know Zeva ditched us & swapped back to DG along with Omayra. ~Prose |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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PRose - Funny about those green bags - Hope you like them. It's just so convenient for me to have romaine on hand and fresh all the time. It's a great time for salads. I love Newman's Own light balsamic vinaigrette, but I just bought their light lime vinaigrette the other day and it is delicious! I just had it with the usual salad ingredients, but I think it would be great with a fruit salad or seafood too. Gosh, girl, you are going to have one honkin' big garden! Are you planning on canning and freezing a lot of it? I used to do a lot of that when I was younger. I do have all 3 Earth Boxes planted, but that only consists of 4 tomato plants, 4 pepper plants and 2 basils. That's it. I'll have to rely on the local farmers' market for all the other goodies. We are lucky to be surrounded by orchards and vineyards, and many huge vegetable farms, so there's never a lack of fresh produce in the summer months. I'm back up about 1.5 pounds today. I know what you mean about numbers being all over the place. Guess I'll never get used to it. Have a great night. Only two days left! Annie |
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sunshine Distinguished Member
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I like those green bags too and have used them for years...BUT... you are so right...the produce can NOT be wet!! I add a paper towel too after having some produce rot in my green bag |
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Annie Distinguished Member
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Good Morning! !!!Can hardly contain my excitement!!! I got up this a.m. thinking, darn! I probably should go back to DG next cycle because I just know I'm not going to be any lighter the end of this one. And POW! Got on the scale this a.m. and I am now officially one pound lighter than last cycle. WooooHoooo! Sorry, I'll calm down now. But something is still working for me, don't know if it's just BC, or if it's the supplements I started taking, or a combo of all of the above, but I am not complaining. I am solidly in a 2+ pounds/month loss mode and have now lost 6 pounds since March 16. Have a glorious day, everyone! Big Hug! AnnieLast edited on 3 June 2009 04:00 pm by Annie |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Wow Annie!!!That is great news! I am still doing quite well, the scale this morning was alittle whacked..but I will see tomorrow & of course Friday is it! Can't wait till CD's Prose |
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snordstrom Senior Member
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Annie- Yes it is exciting. We closed on the construction loan this afternoon so I guess it really is happening. I didn't do so well on this cycle so probably only lost a pound. |
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persimmon rose New Member
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Cd's are here for us FFF!!! Annie how did you do? This ended up being a great cycle for me, down 5#'s! Hope everyone has a great day! Prose |
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greeneyes New Member 
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I am a new member and I am trying this now. I am on day two and it really seems like an easy plan to follow. |
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