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grind
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Posted: 16 February 2010 05:10 am |
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Bit of an aimless rant.. I’d been doing so fantastic since new years. No bread, little rice, low carbs in general, no chocolate, no candies, healthy lunch and small dinners, no fruit juice and no alcohol etc, combined with the gym (and an aderan tablet…), weight was flying off. My face looked better than it has in 3 years, not so bloated and semi chubby anymore and was getting some definition back.
I took my girlfriend to Dubai for 4 nights for valentines, we live apart in different countries at the moment because of my work and her university – and I literally went ballistic. Example; afternoon tea in the hotel they always brought 2 chocolate fondue fountains to the table white and dark choc, with heavy cream and strawberries etc. I was eating bread with my dinner, fried foods from the breakfast buffet, candies in the day, ice cream for dessert. I thought well since its only 4 days it can’t do toooo much damage, and since I’m usually an all or nothing kind of person, ultra strict or completely loose, no middle ground, it was exactly that, enjoy it 100% or just don’t do any of it.
I think some if it was getting burned off pretty good by some of the ‘activities’, but now I’m back at work for 2 days, yesterday went to the gym and had a look at myself – I feel like back to square one. I think my body just absorbed ALL of it, my face feels fat again and my waist is bloated. So annoying 1 and a half months of brutal effort can be wiped out in 4 days of misbehaving. I’m hoping that science prevails and that a week of brutal exercise will get rid of most of what went on as its ‘new fat’ that is recently put on, so is easier to burn off and in bigger quantities when in a state of ketosis..?
Some serious work to do now before I go back home to see friends and family at the end of march, as I wanted to go back as ‘the improved me’, that looks like I can take care of myself. I’ll not be taking binges lightly anymore now I’ve seen the damage that can be done. Schoolboy error
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Iowamom
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Posted: 16 February 2010 03:59 pm |
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I would re-evaluate the plan you are on to lose weight. The goal should be to get healthier which will result in real weight loss and not something that you fall off of.
Instead of treating carbs as an enemy, you need to focus on eating whole foods and very little meat or dairy products. (read "The China Study" to find out why it is really very bad for you and being covered up by big agri-business)
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CG Brady
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Posted: 16 February 2010 09:24 pm |
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grind wrote: Bit of an aimless rant.. I’d been doing so fantastic since new years. No bread, little rice, low carbs in general, no chocolate, no candies, healthy lunch and small dinners, no fruit juice and no alcohol etc, combined with the gym (and an aderan tablet…), weight was flying off. My face looked better than it has in 3 years, not so bloated and semi chubby anymore and was getting some definition back.
I took my girlfriend to Dubai for 4 nights for valentines, we live apart in different countries at the moment because of my work and her university – and I literally went ballistic. Example; afternoon tea in the hotel they always brought 2 chocolate fondue fountains to the table white and dark choc, with heavy cream and strawberries etc. I was eating bread with my dinner, fried foods from the breakfast buffet, candies in the day, ice cream for dessert. I thought well since its only 4 days it can’t do toooo much damage, and since I’m usually an all or nothing kind of person, ultra strict or completely loose, no middle ground, it was exactly that, enjoy it 100% or just don’t do any of it.
I think some if it was getting burned off pretty good by some of the ‘activities’, but now I’m back at work for 2 days, yesterday went to the gym and had a look at myself – I feel like back to square one. I think my body just absorbed ALL of it, my face feels fat again and my waist is bloated. So annoying 1 and a half months of brutal effort can be wiped out in 4 days of misbehaving. I’m hoping that science prevails and that a week of brutal exercise will get rid of most of what went on as its ‘new fat’ that is recently put on, so is easier to burn off and in bigger quantities when in a state of ketosis..?
Some serious work to do now before I go back home to see friends and family at the end of march, as I wanted to go back as ‘the improved me’, that looks like I can take care of myself. I’ll not be taking binges lightly anymore now I’ve seen the damage that can be done. Schoolboy error
I just highlighted the problem. and I will quote it. "No bread, little rice, low carbs in general, no chocolate, no candies, healthy lunch and small dinners, no fruit juice
Low carb is dangerous hogwash.
Ketosis is for log periods of time ie more than 24 hours is a bad thing.
I could write a book on the insanity of low carb but for the purpose of this response I will explain why it is BAD.
Cells require glucose for fuel but they will function minimally on ketones. Brain cells require glucose. Glucose is the preferred fuel for cells. Low carb diets deplete the liver of water and glycogen which is the storage form of glucose. When your liver is depleted of glucose your body goes into ketosis. Ketones are derived from the breakdown of fat and muscle. When you lose weight on a ketogenic diet most of the initial weight loss is water and the rest is muscle and fat.
Prolonged ketosis and rapid weight loss causes gallstones and 1/3 of the time gallbladder disease.
Low carb diets have never been proven effective and if you look at the 40 years of Atkins and 10+ years of the South Beach diet they two most popular diets all we have seen is a steady rise in obesity. Atkins was obese when he died and Agatston of South Beach is on statin drugs.
Some people get the idea that doctors know what they are talking about when it comes to weight loss. Doctors suck when it comes to weight loss. Doctors suck when it comes to just about everything. In the US the number one cause of death and injury are medical errors followed by obesity, cancer and heart disease. Doctors suck money out of patients.
Low carb = FAIL!
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grind
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Posted: 17 February 2010 04:29 am |
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I would re-evaluate the plan you are on to lose weight. The goal should be to get healthier which will result in real weight loss and not something that you fall off of.
Instead of treating carbs as an enemy, you need to focus on eating whole foods and very little meat or dairy products. (read "The China Study" to find out why it is really very bad for you and being covered up by big agri-business)
I just highlighted the problem. and I will quote it. "No bread, little rice, low carbs in general, no chocolate, no candies, healthy lunch and small dinners, no fruit juice
Low carb is dangerous hogwash.
Ketosis is for log periods of time ie more than 24 hours is a bad thing.
I could write a book on the insanity of low carb but for the purpose of this response I will explain why it is BAD.
Cells require glucose for fuel but they will function minimally on ketones. Brain cells require glucose. Glucose is the preferred fuel for cells. Low carb diets deplete the liver of water and glycogen which is the storage form of glucose. When your liver is depleted of glucose your body goes into ketosis. Ketones are derived from the breakdown of fat and muscle. When you lose weight on a ketogenic diet most of the initial weight loss is water and the rest is muscle and fat.
Prolonged ketosis and rapid weight loss causes gallstones and 1/3 of the time gallbladder disease.
you are both absolutely right i can see that, about being healthier – certainly in comparison to before, i am healthier and fitter and what i do now is healthier than stuffing half a loaf of bread into my face with various cheese and meats at 10pm at night for dinner. That is not part of my life anymore, and you can see the difference already. But what i am doing in what my opinion is, the short term, is just a blitz before implementing the ‘real’ change, ie the sustainable change in eating habits
The goal is to eventually be on a maintainable, healthy, balanced diet, where i don’t need to supplement with vitamins and so forth. and where i can eat 3 to 5 meals a day which contain good quality foods. At the moment i am weight training and this is a great way to contradict the muscle loss which comes from dieting (fast fat loss), and adds shape to my body as the fat shrinks away – now i know its not ideal and not exactly healthy, and not something which is recommended for middle aged +, but considering my age i can probably get away with it with little to no damage (touch wood). i know i am on the absolute brink of carbohydrate depletion, which is dangerous and i have experienced it before (when i was in uni 2 years ago passed out and vomited in the gym from training legs after being carb depleted), but since from learning about these things, the past few days in the gym i’ve literally felt on the brink of depletion, and then stopped right before, and then just dumped the weights and went in the pool. Doing this is ok for a max of a week i’ve read, cycling it. But no more and not often.
I’m eating a lot of white meats, and 100g of protein shake per day too, the lack of carbs on the other hand i know wont allow optimal muscle growth, but it will burn fat at a decent rate for my size.
There is this puppy fat around my tummy and hips which has basically been there for the past 10 years, since i was 14 – and this is antibiotics and steroid induced (the steroids were for my constant chest infections and asthma, they are not anabolic btw). This fat WILL NOT GO from normal healthy eating and exercise, it never has even when i was on a super clean diet for 7 months with a trainer 5 days per week. It needs to be cleansed with FIRE, and this is my last shot while i have the time in this new job, to see what i look like without it.
I have money now to be able to afford liposuction and maybe that’ll be the only way to get rid of it – but im gonna give this blitz a shot.
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