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Victor version 4.0
Senior Member
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Posted: 1 April 2008 01:36 pm |
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| http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120692909065176045.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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Synicalchick
Distinguished Member
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Posted: 2 April 2008 12:09 pm |
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| This is a good article
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mollymoo24
Senior Member
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Posted: 4 April 2008 07:36 pm |
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This article makes me want to vomit. I am sorry to disrespect anyone's personal decision, but this procedure introduces grave personal risk at a high cost to society all for the fact that people cannot or will not control what they put in their mouths?
Let's put society's resources into fixing poverty, education and welfare, stop wasting resources GROWING and eating TOO MUCH FOOD and get our fat rear ends onto the treadmill. We are lucky to live in countries where starvation is not an every day concern. Spending $15-$40K on this procedure is wasteful, shameful. And there are thousands of people doing this. The Pharmaceutical companies are selling you a quick fix instead of learning the necessary self-control to make a real, permanent, healthy lifestyle change.
I am sure my remarks are going to be hurtful to some and I am sorry to hurt anyone. But please oh please, just put your forks down, go for a walk and donate $25K to charity instead.
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Nir
Senior Administrator
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Posted: 4 April 2008 08:00 pm |
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One interesting side-effect of having lap-band surgery is that with your reduced stomach capacity you would presumably not be able to comply with Dr Fuhrman's suggestion of eating a minimum of one pound of raw and one pound of cooked (non-starchy) vegetables per day, and so be unable to receive optimal protection from diseases like cancer and heart disease. (thinking about it though, I guess you might be able to eat enough vegetables if you chose to juice them?)
mollymoo, I think the argument in the article (if I understood it correctly) is that it would make sense for the insurance company to pay for the surgery because it would save them money (compared to the money they'd have to pay to manage the obesity-related disease costs). I might be wrong...
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 5 April 2008 12:05 am |
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My understanding of the valid use of surgery was to use it only on people who could not accomplish weight loss by any other means. It is better than an early death.
My fear is that it will become a more commonplace solution, and people will turn to it as an easy way out.
What's always puzzled me is the point that you have to eat in a very particular way after surgery, so why not do that beforehand and not have the surgery at all. I believe the answer is that the surgery forces you to eat less. Though you still have to make healthy selections or you can still put on weight.
Peter
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Synicalchick
Distinguished Member
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Posted: 5 April 2008 04:04 am |
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I believe the answer is that the surgery forces you to eat less. Though you still have to make healthy selections or you can still put on weight
That would be correct Peter. This procedure forces you to eat less but you still have to exercise self control as to WHAT you eat.
Everyone of course is going to have their opinions. If only it was that easy to 'Put your fork down and get our fat A$$es to the treadmill'. It's not that simple. For some of us, food is an addiction but unlike alcohol or drugs, we can't quit food cold turkey.. we still have to eat. People that do not have a food addiction problem could not understand, just like I don't understand why some people can't just not drink alcohol. It's not that simple & it makes me sad if not a little offended or mad when others are so judgemental or down on those of us who have tried like hades to put the fork down but can't seem to control ourselves.
I physically cannot over eat. I have slowly and responsably lost over 80 pounds in just over a year and continue to do so. This time when I lose because I chose the band option, I won't gain it back.. some ask.. well if it's not permenant, you can take it out when you lose all your weight right? Well Yes, I could, but, I love food and I'm a food addict, so there is no way I'm taking it out. If the band ever wears out, I'll have it replaced. If others feel that my way of taking charge of my life and health is a waste of money, then so be it, I cannot nor do I wish to change your mind. I just hope that if those who point fingers at us fatties who are to lazy to 'just get on the treadmil' are ever weak in anyother part of their life whether it be a physical weakness or spiritual, that others around them will have a little more compassion and tolerance toward them than they show others.
Kudos to you that have the stamina and will power to control yourselves and do it all on your own. I am not fortunate to be one of those people
Peace out
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 5 April 2008 04:47 am |
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Thanks for your post Synicalchick.
I see you've been with us for over two years now! You've been a valuable contributor to the forums, and been amazingly candid in your sharing of your journey with us.
I'm sure you've helped countless understand more about the struggle we go through, and not feel so alone. And as well you've helped us understand the role surgery can play in helping those who will truly benefit from it.
Peter
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Beth
Senior Member
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Posted: 7 April 2008 08:01 pm |
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This was such a wonderful post. I haven't had any electricity for three days. No internet. A little snowflake tv. Pretty much cut off from everything. Hubby and I pretty much got along, despite all. My addiction to adrenalin is even more powerful than my addiction to food, so it was nice to see someone ELSE stirring it up. Things have just been too quiet at my place!
I, too, am a fattie. I had 80 lbs to lose and I am on my way without surgery by simply trying to replace bad habits with some good ones. There were plenty of warning signs my fat was killing me. Sleep apnea, breathing problems, aching body, blood pressure, you know the drill. They were showing themselves and I was not listening. Thank God I got the message and started trying to do something noninvasive before it was too late. I am too poor and too much of a chicken to go for surgery and I really don't want to die yet.
My thanks to all for contributing to this forum - whatever you contribute! Victor, you are an inspiration. You are a success miracle. Nir and Peter, many, many thanks. You do a wonderful job. I am so thankful for this forum! MM, you are my good buddy with a lot of weight (excuse the pun) on your shoulders right now and handling it like a trooper. Chickie, keep on doing what you have to do to get there. I might not take your particular path, but I respect you for doing what you have to do to survive.
A good day to you all!
Beth
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mollymoo24
Senior Member
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Posted: 8 April 2008 12:37 am |
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Synicalchick, I appreciate you speaking up and contributing your personal experience to this discussion. I do not doubt that there are others like you and I respect your perspective.
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Synicalchick
Distinguished Member
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Posted: 8 April 2008 03:13 pm |
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Thanks MollyMoo I do appreciate that.
Have a good'n
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