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JSABD
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Posted: 20 August 2011 09:23 pm |
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Would you go to a smoker to quit smoking? Only if you are an idiot or really didn't want to quit smoking would you.
Would you go to a drunk to stop being a drunk? You would if you wanted to fail to get sober.
Why go to another glutton to stop your gluttony?
Comments?
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Nir
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Posted: 21 August 2011 09:21 am |
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JSABD wrote:
Comments?
Fellowship. Identification.
A recovering alcoholic is much more likely to secure the trust of a still suffering alcoholic because they can use their drink history to convince the new prospect that they truly were once like them.
Conversely, I have only ever been BMI 27.5 so I may not be able to fully relate to the challenges and struggles of a 400lb person on a diet. If there was another slim person who had once been 400lb they would be a better role model than I.
You advocate slow weight loss, 1lb per 100lb per week So after 6 months that 400lb person is now 300lb. They have 6 months of new habit under their belt. If their mindset is right they could be set to get thin and be thin forever. They have overcome challenges you and I have never had to overcome. They are a suitable role model and have a solution to transmit.
You are too busy to administer your message to the billions on the planet that need it so you should consider the possibility of expansion. It is called delegation.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 August 2011 02:04 am |
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Nir wrote: JSABD wrote:
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Fellowship. Identification.
A recovering alcoholic is much more likely to secure the trust of a still suffering alcoholic because they can use their drink history to convince the new prospect that they truly were once like them.
Conversely, I have only ever been BMI 27.5 so I may not be able to fully relate to the challenges and struggles of a 400lb person on a diet. If there was another slim person who had once been 400lb they would be a better role model than I.
You advocate slow weight loss, 1lb per 100lb per week So after 6 months that 400lb person is now 300lb. They have 6 months of new habit under their belt. If their mindset is right they could be set to get thin and be thin forever. They have overcome challenges you and I have never had to overcome. They are a suitable role model and have a solution to transmit.
You are too busy to administer your message to the billions on the planet that need it so you should consider the possibility of expansion. It is called delegation.
This sound good in theory but in practice it doesn't work. Let's look at AA vs professional alcoholism treatment. AA is about a 3% success rate and professionally run programs are over 18%. Right know gluttons reform at 2% - 5%.
The best role models are people who have never been gluttonous or ones who had been reformed for a long time. Weight Watcher is a buddy system and a support group and they don't publish their numbers. I like the WW nutritional plan although I like mine and other plans better. Their plan is fine. TOPS is another weight loss support organization and they like all other weight loss organizations have not put a dent in the obesity rate.
I read what these people write and I hear what they say. They talk about food and yum yum yum yum yum. They are looking for a nutritional solution for what is a more complex problem.
I encourage my reformed gluttons to share what they have learned. I want what I do to go viral.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 August 2011 04:14 am |
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TareChiMama wrote: I don't think it's so much that people don't know how to lose weight. They do! They don't need to learn how. Just like a smoker usually realizes his/her options... cold turkey, patch, gum, cutting back, etc. ... people who want to lose weight know they have options too.
They just like the encouragement of someone who understands how they feel being able to be there for them and discuss hardships with them and help them feel as if they are mentally able to do the right thing and are deserving of themselves and their own health and happiness.
So many overweight people let self-esteem dictate their futures and they end up falling into a self-fulfilling prophecy where they figure they can't control their urges with food so they may as well just eat and not even bother trying anymore. When people can rely on other people and trust other people, and in turn those people give them encouragement and praise for being beautiful on the inside, then there is more of a motivation to change the outside. There is that spark of hope that happiness can be achieved, and a renewed responsibility towards health and looking as well as you feel often comes with it.
This is the benefit of the diet buddy, in my opinion. :-)
You had me and then you lost me.
Fat people in general don't have low self esteem. They merely lack the psychological fortitude to reduce the pleasuring and instant gratification they get from eating junk food.
They are not beautiful on the inside. They are weak. How beautiful is a person on the inside who cares so little about her children that she will feed them food that makes them fat and unhealthy know that it will cause a lifetime of maladies and premature death?
If the diet buddy is a former glutton with little chance of returning to his/her gluttonous ways that's one thing but if the diet buddy is run of the mill glutton with the same dismal track record of diet failure after diet failure the chance of success is slim and none.
It is not about losing fat. It is about losing the fattitude. You get two gluttons together and they will cook up all sorts excuses and half baked diet theories that are a sure formula for failure.
In theory what you say would make sense if most people were rational and honorable. Most people really suck. It's sad but true.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 August 2011 04:47 am |
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TareChiMama wrote: Just out of curiosity... What is your educational/professional background? And why do you assume that all people who want to lose weight are gluttonous or obese?
And why so you have such a negative opinion of fat people?
I'm guessing you used to be fat yourself and now need to maintain that attitude towards others who look like you used to as a way to stifle your own fear of ever becoming that heavy again yourself.
I have a tremendous amount of experience. Have I been to medical school? No. Did John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Paul Simon go tou music shcool.
Anyone who allows them self to get fat is/was a glutton so it is not an assumption it's a fact. It's reality. It may be an unpopular reality but it's reality. I think the fact that you even asked such an obtuse question tells me you need to look up the definition of the word glutton.
Guessing I was fat? You guessed wrong. I merely know why I am not fat and why people like me are not fat and would not allow themselves to be fat. Some fat people have legitimate eating disorders but must don't.
Why would anyone want to stifle their fear of being fat? It's a healthy fear. Obesity kills.
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Posted: 22 August 2011 06:52 am |
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I love that you used an example of Rock Musicians, because I have one of my own - Joan Jett. Joan was rejected by 23 different labels in the US, and had to form her own record company and release it themselves.
I'm obviously going after a different goal but I think of her tenacity a lot when I get frustrated in my own weight loss.I don't know how many diets I've been on in my adult life, but just because I failed to stay on one until my ideal weight, doesn't provide reason for giving up.Some have definitely worked better than others, but even the ones that I decided not to stay with, I learned some valuable things.There were things I just wasn't ready for- like finding other ways to feel safe and protected without my fat. You might not know this JS, but for some gluttons, we put something in our mouth to avoid letting certain words come out of it. That was definitely something that had to be dealt with in my case.
Like a lot of people on here have said, I think that you over simplify. I don't think you really care about the reasons someone is above their ideal weight,except you want to break down people to the point where they agree with you in saying that the ONLY reason that they were fat was because they were a glutton that loved their food more than their family their country their earth, whatever. Unless someone has seen gluttony hurt/kill someone, it's hard to imagine that happening, especially since obesity kills slowly and in degrees, so many people see it as the result of aging or genetics, not their own eating.Last edited on 22 August 2011 08:02 am by Tankgirl
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 August 2011 08:58 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: I love that you used an example of Rock Musicians, because I have one of my own - Joan Jett. Joan was rejected by 23 different labels in the US, and had to form her own record company and release it themselves.
And I don't give a #%@&! about my bad reputation!
I'm obviously going after a different goal but I think of her tenacity a lot when I get frustrated in my own weight loss.I don't know how many diets I've been on in my adult life, but just because I failed to stay on one until my ideal weight, doesn't provide reason for giving up.Some have definitely worked better than others, but even the ones that I decided not to stay with, I learned some valuable things.There were things I just wasn't ready for- like finding other ways to feel safe and protected without my fat. You might not know this JS, but for some gluttons, we put something in our mouth to avoid letting certain words come out of it. That was definitely something that had to be dealt with in my case.
Maybe you are atypical of the run of the mill glutton. You may be a substance abuser and food is your drug of choice. You are self-medicating? I know people who use food but most people are simply gluttons. And for people who turned to food to salve some hurt long after that hurt heals they still eat too much. It's like getting addicted to pain medication. The addict thinks they need it when they don't. They like the buzz.
Like a lot of people on here have said, I think that you over simplify. I don't think you really care about the reasons someone is above their ideal weight,except you want to break down people to the point where they agree with you in saying that the ONLY reason that they were fat was because they were a glutton that loved their food more than their family their country their earth, whatever. Unless someone has seen gluttony hurt/kill someone, it's hard to imagine that happening, especially since obesity kills slowly and in degrees, so many people see it as the result of aging or genetics, not their own eating.
I think fat people over complicate and they need to simplify and better simplify if they know what's good for them. Today 32% of Americans are obese. 35 years ago 3% were obese.
The reason they don't see what their gluttony is doing to others is because they are insensitive. If they considered others they would not have allowed themselves to get fat in the first place.
We live in a food centric society that sees gluttony as a harmless vice but it really isn't. 75% of the members of society are fat or obese so of course they are not going to see their behavior as a moral failing.
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Posted: 22 August 2011 09:21 am |
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"We live in a food centric society "
Wow - you got that right. Some cities are definitely worse than others. I never thought Portland would be as bad as it was. Dieting on vacation hasn't been that much of a challenge since New Orleans. I never thought I'd be so glad to see Subway.
I was definitely a sugar abuser, but I have no reason to ever go back to it.I did use to use sweets to self-medicate and changing that behavior was HARD! This was a behavior that thinking back had been taught by my grandmother that would use sweets as love. Frankly I think this behavior is much more common than you could guess. For about 8 months I spent the times that I used to spent overeating when stressed/upset/angry etc just generally sitting around feeling awful because I didn't know how to deal with it. I should have known my healthier way of dealing it would turn out to be the bike.
By frustration I mean putting my all into diet and exercise and not seeing the results I want on the scale.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 August 2011 08:30 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: "We live in a food centric society "
Wow - you got that right. Some cities are definitely worse than others. I never thought Portland would be as bad as it was. Dieting on vacation hasn't been that much of a challenge since New Orleans. I never thought I'd be so glad to see Subway.
I was definitely a sugar abuser, but I have no reason to ever go back to it.I did use to use sweets to self-medicate and changing that behavior was HARD! This was a behavior that thinking back had been taught by my grandmother that would use sweets as love. Frankly I think this behavior is much more common than you could guess. For about 8 months I spent the times that I used to spent overeating when stressed/upset/angry etc just generally sitting around feeling awful because I didn't know how to deal with it. I should have known my healthier way of dealing it would turn out to be the bike.
By frustration I mean putting my all into diet and exercise and not seeing the results I want on the scale.
This is not to let you off the hook but food/pleasure has an addictive quality on a neurological level. Granny would use sweet because they felt good to her and figured they would feel good to you. That is not love. Love is the things that we do to make people's lives better. What we feel is a by-product of that. Granny knew that by pleasuring you will food you would associate her with feeling good. That is not love. It's an arrangement. The only true love is altruistic.
Food is like a drug. I have observed fat mother with their babies. I have observed slender mothers with their babies. Babies get fussy. The first thing a fat mother does in most cases is to shove a bottle or a pacifier in the baby's mouth. The good mother checks and sees what's wrong and cuddles the baby and if the baby is hungry and past its feeding time she feeds it and usually by the tit. That's what a good mother does.
Maybe it's best that a fat mother bottle feed her kids because of all the toxins fat women have. The milk form a  is better for the baby than the milk from a sow.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 August 2011 09:40 pm |
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TareChiMama wrote: JSABD wrote:
TareChiMama wrote: Just out of curiosity... What is your educational/professional background? And why do you assume that all people who want to lose weight are gluttonous or obese?
And why so you have such a negative opinion of fat people?
I'm guessing you used to be fat yourself and now need to maintain that attitude towards others who look like you used to as a way to stifle your own fear of ever becoming that heavy again yourself.
I have a tremendous amount of experience. Have I been to medical school? No. Did John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Paul Simon go tou music shcool.
Anyone who allows them self to get fat is/was a glutton so it is not an assumption it's a fact. It's reality. It may be an unpopular reality but it's reality. I think the fact that you even asked such an obtuse question tells me you need to look up the definition of the word glutton.
Guessing I was fat? You guessed wrong. I merely know why I am not fat and why people like me are not fat and would not allow themselves to be fat. Some fat people have legitimate eating disorders but must don't.
Why would anyone want to stifle their fear of being fat? It's a healthy fear. Obesity kills.
People want to stifle fear because most people develop and associate fear emotionally and not rationally. If people could think themselves into not being afraid with rationality then no one would have phobias and no one would be held back from their dreams or desires by feelings of what could go wrong, etc.... aka things that DO happen every day.
I may need a shovel and some boot so I don't get drawn in too deeply here. Fat people eat too much and 75% of Americans are fat or obese and they don't need some half baked theory about fear. They think, and act irrationally because it serves them to do so. Their pay off is food and all it pleasure and infantile comforts.
They anesthetize themselves with food and stop dealing with things we are supposed to deal with the cycle repeats. Most people don't have phobias and they only thing they are afraid of is if their coupon for buy one get one free Sara Lee pound cake expired. I call those people greedy weak-willed gluttons. Their clueless shrink puts some DMS label on them and treats them accordingly.
So on to question round number two:
if you're not fat, have never been fat, and don't educationally or professionally work in the fields of psychology, nutrition, and/or fitness training, etc. then why are you even on this web site? I already know the answer I'm pretty sure...I just hope you can explain to the others you are blaspheming to who may not know so as they can make an educated decision on whether or not to listen to you.
Simple all the so called expert have failed miserably in stopping the gluttony epidemic because they balls, integrity, education and intelligence to solve the problem. What I do works and what they do doesn't.
I am not passing myself off as an expert and I am not getting rich of this. People need to draw their own conclusions.
I can ask a fat person to rationally explain why they are not a glutton and guess what? They can't do it. Neither can you.
I can ask a fatling to explain why they can't prepare and eat 6 wholesome meals a day that total their BMR and they have no answer and neither can you.
Shrinks IMO do more harm than good. I have friends who are shrinks and two are on my team. One of them told me that the most dangerous thing in the world is a psychiatrist with a prescription pad. So as far as I am concerned most psychiatrists need some baseball bat therapy. Did you know that those creeps have 12% of school aged boys on some sort of psycho-stimulant usually Ritalin? These same creep who you seem to think have some credibility because they have some letters after their name have 70 million Americans on some sort of SSRI drug like Paxil or Prozac?
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 August 2011 10:58 pm |
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TareChiMama wrote: I can easily explain why I'm not a glutton... Because I'm not fat. Once again, you assume all people who want to lose weight are fat. Not true at all.
Plus, why should anyone have to explain to you or anyone other than themselves and those whom they have chosen to trust as to why they look like they do.
And as far as mothers go, I have seen many many moms who are thin as pencils despite shoving McDonald's down their throats 5 times a day and then washing it down with calorie-laden energy drinks.
(and by the way, if a baby is young enough to be breast fed then you should know there is no such thing as feeding it too much. A baby will eat what it needs and then cease being hungry and stop accordingly. It is actually harmful to a baby that young to ever deny it food for fear that u think he is looking "fat")
Furthermore, psychiatrist are not therapists... Not even close. Google it.
And next time you wonder why a glutton can't explain to you why they aren't a glutton look in the mirror and wonder why you can't explain any legitimate reasons you have for being on this web site other than to be a troll. :-p
Actually psychiatrists perform psychotherapy it's part of what they do. Google it.
Obviously you are a delusional fat acceptance fat girl who came to this site to fight with me and otherwise disrupt others trying to recover form their food issues. Let me break it to you gently. Fat women get slender and stay slender and men like that shallow creatures that they are and those shallow men think that slender women are real women.  They think slender women have curves. How dare they!?!?
You claim you are not fat yet you want to lose weight. You are either lying or you need your Paxil adjusted. You lied when you said that I assumed all people who want to lose weight are fat. I never said that. There are a group seriously morally bankrupt skinny/fat girls called BULLimics aka pukers. They want to lose weight so instead of eating in sane a responsible manner they eat like pigs and then they puke. Then there is a group called anorexics and they really have a legitimate excuse. They are born that way. They don't choose to suffer from anorexia nervosa because it's genetic. There are about 200,000 people with anorexia nervosa in the US making it an extremely rare disease. I know you fat girls hate to hear that and this will anger you even more. Less than 200 die each year from AN. Sorry fat girls, skinny runway models don't cause anorexia nervosa. 400,000 fatlings eat themselves to death each year. That's like 7 Vietnam wars. Cattle to the slaughter.
Who said anything about denying a baby food? You are a very dishonest person. I know how infants feed. They have the good sense to stop when they should.
You are not at a healthy weight and you are not here to lose weight. You are here to cause trouble and trying not to feel like a fat girl loser. Here's the thing, men will lower their standards and pork fat girls but they won't deal with craziness unless the female is really good looking and then they won't deal with it for long. The reason fat girls like you don't get any action is because a man will only lower his standards so far. Men will do fat and men will do crazy but they won't do fat and crazy.
Here is my advice to you seeing as how you don't want to cease your gluttonous ways. When you are with a guy don't open your mouth unless you are eating or to tickle his pickle. You'll be fine. Just don't get knocked up because fat girls are bad mothers and if you catch him at the computer looking at real women and jacking the jalopy don't get angry with him.
Only real women have curves.  No curves here.
If a woman is not shaped like a bean bag and has bean bag curves she's NOT a real woman.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 23 August 2011 05:02 am |
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TareChiMama you ROCK!!
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 August 2011 06:59 am |
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TareChiMama wrote: Bulimia and anorexia are both psychiatric disorders. The main distinguishing factor is the symptom clusters... neither one is more or less of a genetic or social disorder than the other. And funny you should speak of Paxil... it is one of the psychopharmacological treatments for bulimia, which according to you shouldn't work because it's not a legitimate medical problem? And yet research has proven it does work, hmmmmm...
They give Paxil for everything and it doesn't work for anything but making big pharma richer. Just because BULLimia is listed in the DSM and voted in by the committee of chimpanzees does not make it a real mental illness. It's a money maker and it is a way to medicaize a moral failing.
NOTE: to anyone reading this post. I am playing devil's advocate with this individual because I do not want people getting the wrong ideas about weight loss. I am trying to act as a rational voice for people who are trying to lose weight and don't need negative blasphemy like this standing in your way or discouraging you. The one thing this other author is right about is that being overweight can be very dangerous to your health.... but he has already proven quite well that this is most likely his secondary concern as he would rather reference things of a sexual nature when describing what a woman should be.
You came here claiming not be fat but claiming to want to lose weight. That's pretty nuts. Why would a person who does not need to lose weight want to lose weight unless they are a total nut case?
Losing weight when you don't need to is not only stupid it is dangerous.
You lied again saying that I made a sexual reference. That picture you found on image search is really funny. How about you up load a real picture of you holding a sign saying TareChiMama?
A woman SHOULD be happy, healthy, and striving to do her best...as should a man. So please do this everyone is ways you know how, are supported for by your legitimate medical professionals, and in way in which you can secure the healthiest lifestyles for yourselves. There is no one size fits all, no pun intended, when it comes to weight loss. So explore your options and ignore the BS! Okay? :-)
There is a one size fits all. It is called eat less move more and as to legitimate health care professionals they offered Redux and PhenPhen and now offer to destroy your perfectly healthy digestive system. The BS is coming from the diet industry and the medical industry.
Back to the ridiculousness I am being subjected to... I don't think I have any more to say to trollers other than I am glad your previous posts proved exactly who you are to anyone who may have considered listening to you for 5 seconds.
You subjected yourself to it fat girl. It is pathetic how you FA fat girls play the tragic victim. In about 3 weeks so far I have 3 people on the program and losing weight. That just drive you fat girls nuts that there will be 3 more women in the world not as fat as you. That drives you FA nuts crazy.
I think I speak for most viewers when I simply say "Wow" and then laugh because I know better.
If you knew better you would not be claiming not to be fat yet trying to lose weight and coming here to mess with a man like me. It's really a bit pathetic.
But in reality,
Reality? I don't think you know what that is.
I do feel sorry for you. because if you aren't a troller then I am guessing you harbor some very intense hatred towards fat people as you have likely had a bad experience with someone like that... your mom died of a obesity-related heart attack, a fat girlfriend dumped you, your fat babysitter or uncle molested you as a child... something.
For somebody who you say hates fat people I have sure helped a lot of them lose weight and I steered a lot away from gastric bypass surgery. I hate you fat acceptance sickos. You don't speak for 99.99999999999999% of fat people and your rhetoric and lies only serve to hurt fat people and make them look like bigger idiots than they already are.
But for your own sake, harboring this hatred and taking it out on innocent people is not going to help you get over it. You need to learn to let your feelings out about what truly makes you so angry in a healthier way that doesn't isolate you from people or only increase your anger as you continue to fuel yourself off of other's reactions. (and I am guilty of supplying you with this "fuel" and so will let you know this is my last post on this subject other than to sigh and wish you the best for your future mental health...)
In case you haven't noticed 75% of Americans are glutton and 400,000 eat their way into an early grave and you are whining because you think I'm a meany for challenging them of their self destructive and irresponsible behavior.
These same gluttons are the cause of the childhood obesity epidemic. You FA sickos say the same BS about MeMe Roth, Michael Karolchyk, Jamie Oliver, Michelle Obama and Michael Fumento and anyone else who tells you that you eat too much.
So best of luck in staying un-gluttonous. Congratulations for having good genetics, too much time to exercise, an eating disorder, and no enjoyment from eating food... oh, and for striving to make others feel bad about themselves, congrats on that, too.
Now I have now doubt you are an fat wacko. Genetics. If I ate as much as a fatling I'd be a falting and BTW liar where was the fat gene when the obesity rate was 2% in the US?
So me and my "fat" #%@&! (featured below) say tata for now. I'm off to tickle my boyfriend's pickle, or whatever, ha...
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 August 2011 07:14 am |
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TareChiMama how many cats to you have. Here you are again on google image search
Answer this question liar. You claim you are not overweight and you also claim you are here to lose weight. Why are you here to lose weight liar is you are not overweight?
I do like the professional lighting and Softar filter the photographer used on the woman who modeled for the picture. Maybe if he has a super wide angle lens he can take a picture of you.
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Nir
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Posted: 23 August 2011 07:56 am |
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JSABD,
1) Out of interest, where is your 'over 18%' figure for professionally run programs coming from and how long is the follow-up period, link please.
2) Fat people in general don't have low self esteem in general that might be true but those who are trying to lose weight (perhaps especially if they have tried many times before) are more likely to be in the other camp.
3) I merely know why I am not fat and why people like me are not fat Incidentally I would venture that many of the never-been-fat people are not like you JSABD (prioritising personal responsibility), but happen to be more like my friend Phil who makes very unhealthy food choices (processed foods, saturated fats etc.) that he seems to be emotionally tied to but for some reason is not fixated on large quantities and is only interested in food when he is actually hungry. He will still most likely die from a chronic disease because his slim insides are not healthy.
4) just for the record a healthy BMI is apparently 18.5-24.9, for example for a 1.65m person this translates to 111lb-149lb, so someone could be a healthy weight and still wish to change something about their apperance such as lose fat or gain muscle. In fact I believe that was me when I joined this forum 5 years ago already healthy weight but desiring to lose a few.
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Nir
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Posted: 23 August 2011 08:07 am |
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JSABD, it repeatedly strikes me how lazy you are...
http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=11036&forum_id=52&jump_to=185415#p185415
at 5'7", 158lb = BMI 24.7, 145lb = BMI 22.7
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TareChiMama
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Posted: 23 August 2011 12:38 pm |
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Nir wrote: JSABD, it repeatedly strikes me how lazy you are...
http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=11036&forum_id=52&jump_to=185415#p185415
at 5'7", 158lb = BMI 24.7, 145lb = BMI 22.7
Why thank you Nir.
Pardon me for not being fat but still wanting to reach a potential of betterment.
It's kinda like getting Cs and passing classes... sure, I passed. but why can't I strive for an A? :-)
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MichelleP
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Posted: 23 August 2011 04:08 pm |
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LOL LOL LOL 
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 August 2011 04:10 pm |
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Nir wrote: JSABD, it repeatedly strikes me how lazy you are...
http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=11036&forum_id=52&jump_to=185415#p185415
at 5'7", 158lb = BMI 24.7, 145lb = BMI 22.7
Then she lied. She is/was fat. 24.7 BMI is fat and that picture she posted is not a 158 or a 145 woman who is 5'7".
I was challenged to post a picture of myself with the letters JSABD. I challenged her to post her picture with her name. She got that picture of a woman holding cat on image search. Let's see a picture of her holding a sign with her name. It's not going to happen. She's a fat girl.
And I'm right. She's chubby and blubbery and that is not the same person ir it could be a friend.
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 August 2011 04:21 pm |
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TareChiMama wrote: Not sure what difference this makes to any of us, other than to prove to the people who have respect for my side of the argument that I am not a liar and will thus not let bullying bother me. :-)
Am I fat? No. Is it okay for me to still want to lose 10 pounds. Yes.
Although, really... you don't think I couldn't have just had someone pose for me or photoshopped my own photo? I'm sure that will be your next argument... But this IS me for all who choose to believe me. And if you don't, I don't care. :-)
The slender blonde and the homely chubby girl with dark hair holding the sign are not the same person. Not even close. Different chin! Different eyes and about 40 pounds lighter.
The woman in this picture is much more slender than the chubby girl in the mirror. No dark roots. Why didn't you get your friend or sister to pose for the one you posted of has she gotten fat like you have. The above picture is an older picture and the person in it is much leaner.
Did you suddenly go from blonde to burnette? Either that or your hair must grow amazingly fast. If that is you and you went from blonde to brunette your blubber grew amazingly fast.
I know what happened. when you were "purging" you forgot to put your hair up and it got stained form what was in the toilet. That's how you went from blog to brunette so quickly.
Also, the hands are wrong.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 04:34 pm |
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For the record, I think you look adorable as a brunette!
JS a BMI of 24.7 is fat? It's in the normal range?
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Posted: 23 August 2011 04:45 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote:
For the record, I think you look adorable as a brunette!
JS a BMI of 24.7 is fat? It's in the normal range?
thank you! :-)
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Posted: 23 August 2011 05:15 pm |
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TareChiMama wrote: Ummmmm....did you not see the pics of me in a white tank with blue Victoria's Secret sweatpants? That is ME...WITH "the sign"...also same person as the one holding the cat but I dyed my hair recently.
Totally me, lol... all 158 lb and 5'7" of me!
Again proving there is much more to being "fat" then looking at arbitrary numbers and making assumptions without knowing anything about a person's individuality and history.
And why people should think before hastily calling someone fat just because they express the desire to lose weight. I said I want to go from the 158 lb I am now down to 145. Do I NEED to... no. Is it reasonable and possible and will it make me healthier... YES. At least I can admit it and still be proud of myself without resorting to feeling like a stereotype or deserving to be insulted. I mean, come on.
Work on your own faults and let us do the same.
I did what you asked... for the sake of others' knowing I'm truthful, not for your benefit... so you've already gotten more out of this "conversation" than you deserve.
May your decline into further sociopathy be a pleasant and calorie-free experience...
Stop lying.
You are fat and the pictures in the mirror prove it. Then you lied and said that you weren't. You are blubbery.
Did getting fat make your hair color go from natural blonde to brunette? Did you dye your hair from blonde to brunette and have a chin implant and a nose job?
I have not insulted anyone. I told the truth and some of the women here like Bammy and Tank appreciate and in a short time they are going to look and feel better that you ever dreamed of being and I know that Tank has a man and Bammy probably does as well but I doubt you do. Maybe you can take a picture standing next to your brother and pass him off as you boyfriend or use your cousin why took you to the prom.
Add 2 more pounds that are there before you purge and your BMI is 25.1. Face it you are a fat girl. The girls in the mirror is flabby and no real man would want to be with a female whose waste is bigger than his. You are heavier than a middle weight. To put that into perspective this is Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler.
They are both 160 pounds in this picture 160 pounds and 5'10" His name is Sugar Ray but that that doesn't mean you can eat him and no he's not made of chocolate and no man like him will not pork a fat girl. His wife is hot.
You claim to weigh 158 pounds. and stand 5'7". You might weight 158 pound on the moon. Muscle weighs more than fat.
If you can't lie any better than that you might as well tell the truth. You could be attractive if you weren't so blubbery. Even your face is fat.  Pretty soon you will have more chins than a Chinese phone book.
What's your real weight? You are at least 180. If you get any fatter and put on a yellow rain coat people will mistake you for a school bus.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 05:28 pm |
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TareChiMama wrote: Oh my God.... whoaaaa, powers of magical hair dye! LOL.
ME...again...as always.
You must have done some major power eating to blimp up so fast. Your face is so pudgy in the mirror and now you post a picture of a slender woman with dark hair. You really should have posted the dark haired woman because she looks a little bit like that fat girl in the mirror.
The chin is different. Is that your sister? Are you jealous of her? Let's see a picture of you next to the Tartan striped sofa.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 05:35 pm |
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Alright...
This is officially it for me. And I want to apologize.
I have temporarily become very angry with watching someone continue to harass and bully my fellow health enthusiasts and am afraid to say I definitely let my emotions get the best of me.
I do not pride myself for stooping down to the same level as those whom offend me and hurt others, and this is what I have done. It is very against my nature, and as such, I am done with this conversation and take back everything I have said.
Thank you to anyone who has supported me questioning JS's bogus theories and biases...and I would encourage you all to do the same kind of questioning, because it is awful for any of you to think of yourselves as they way he may choose to describe you or your problems! From now on, I'm just not going to comment about it. I'm just going to laugh to myself at its ridiculousness and then be available via PM for anyone to ask me what they want to know about the TRUTH behind the psychology of eating disorders which, should you like to know, is within my educational and professional expertise as an addictions psychologist.
I will continue to use this site for my own and for others' benefit but refuse to any longer have any dealings with this trolling user and abuser. I would suggest for all others to do the same. People like JS enjoy getting responses out of others and so far I myself am just as guilty as anyone of providing him with this positive reinforcement that only works to encourage his blasphemy. Which is why I will do it no longer! And everyone else should do the same! Let's all make an effort, ok? :-) It will be good for us all and will spare this site the awfulness of his erroneous beliefs in what is "best" for overweight people.
Alright, back to being an adult and a much more properly behaving therapist. I regret that I would ever let such a non-important, immature, and ignorant person into my circle of people who were worth my time to try and talk some sense into... as well all know you can't help someone who wants to be helped.
But for your own sake, I hope you can receive the help and outlet you need someday without feeling the need to put down others and have such an obsessive concern about specifically defining the arbitrary nature of "thinness" and "womanhood." I truly feel sorry for you and, as such, feel sorry for if I have insulted you in any way, as that was not helpful to you and I do believe you so desperately need it.
See you guys around. :-)
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Posted: 23 August 2011 05:38 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: For the record, I think you look adorable as a brunette!
JS a BMI of 24.7 is fat? It's in the normal range?
It's barely in the normal range. 160 is a 25.1 BMI. She is claiming 158. Add at least 20 to that.
The fat girl in the mirror weighs more than 158.
In Singapore, the BMI cut-off figures were revised in 2005 with an emphasis on health risks instead of weight. Adults whose BMI is between 18.5 and 22.9 have a low risk of developing heart disease and other health problems such as diabetes. Those with a BMI between 23 and 27.4 are at moderate risk while those with a BMI of 27.5 and above are at high risk of heart disease and other types of health problems.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index#cite_note-13][/url]
Category BMI range – kg/m2
Emaciation less than 14.9
Underweight from 15 to 18.4
Normal from 18.5 to 22.9
Overweight from 23 to 27.5
Obese from 27.6 to 40
Morbidly Obese greater than 40
She's a fat girl. Realistically she's 50 pounds overweight. By her own admission and by Singapore standards she's OBESE! BTW, Singapore is the only country that has reduced it's obesity rate and they did it with a get tough approach.
You may not see it yet but she's a saboteur. She came here to fight with me not to work on her obesity.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 06:16 pm |
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I believe the blonde and the brunette are both of the same woman. You rock TareChiMama! Who by the way is NOT fat by any means. No way does she weigh 180. J don't you have anything new or interesting to say? Anytime someone disagrees with you, you say the same old garbage. Yawn, so boring already!!! Leaving with TareChi now, holding my head up high, and giving you the big finger send off!
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Posted: 23 August 2011 06:59 pm |
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| I'd like to add that I was entirely formula fed. Breastfeeding was too much work for my mother the second time around. I have a plethora of health issues that have been linked to formula feeding.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 09:07 pm |
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After thinking about this for a bit, I both agree and disagree to a point.
Diet buddies, if they're both beginners to whatever WOE they're doing is probably more harmful than helpful. Whatever newbie mistakes one is going to make will probably suck the other in. I'm not calling it gluttony, just stuff you have to learn along the way, like:
1.just because butter spray says zero calories, doesn't mean you can open up the bottle and POUR it on stuff.
2. The road to hades may be paved with good intentions, but it's likely puddled with ranch dressing.
At the same time, I've learned some amazing stuff from friends online, and wished I'd had a buddy I could learn from so I could have avoided a lot of trial and error. It's annoying when I come up with a recipe or an idea that I think is original only to find out someone else already thought it up! 
So if you're new to a particular WOE I'd recommend looking for someone a year into what you want to go for, Like Nir on ETL for instance.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 09:17 pm |
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Just to chime in on the baby issue- there's actually an epidemic of obese 6 month olds.
In 2006 scientists at the Harvard School of Public Health reported that the prevalence of obesity in infants under 6 months had risen 73 percent since 1980. "This epidemic of obese 6-month-olds," as endocrinologist Robert Lustig of the University of California, San Francisco, calls it, poses a problem for conventional explanations of the fattening of America. "Since they're eating only formula or breast milk, and never exactly got a lot of exercise, the obvious explanations for obesity don't work for babies," he points out. "You have to look beyond the obvious."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/09/10/born-to-be-big.html
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Posted: 23 August 2011 09:26 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: I believe the blonde and the brunette are both of the same woman. You rock TareChiMama! Who by the way is NOT fat by any means. No way does she weigh 180. J don't you have anything new or interesting to say? Anytime someone disagrees with you, you say the same old garbage. Yawn, so boring already!!! Leaving with TareChi now, holding my head up high, and giving you the big finger send off!
You believe pork is the other white meat too. It is not the same woman and I think you know it too. She's as phony are you are.
The blonde woman had good healthy looking hair. The brunette girl in the mirror looks grubby and haggard. Her hair looks awful. If it were a dye job it would look better. I sent it to my sister who is a hairdresser and she doesn't think it's a dye job. The blonde woman is about 40 - 50 pounds lighter.
Big finger send off along with the big belly and big butt send off. TareChiMama is a fat by American standards and obese by Singapore standards and so are you. If the two of you spent as much time working on your fattitude problem as you do trying to sabotage other girls who are sincere about weight loss maybe you to would not be obese and maybe you would have a man.
You girls will pack on 5 pounds a year. If you manage to find a man who will settle you will squirt out a few kids and never lose your baby fat. It's really quite pathetic. You two are quite pathetic.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 09:36 pm |
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JS, does "Thinette" get up earlier than you so she can put her makeup on and do her hair?
I have to give kudos to TaiChi because that's most likely a picture taken within the first 30 minutes of waking up. That's braver than I'd be -usually because I still have the pattern of my blanket on my face!
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Posted: 23 August 2011 10:06 pm |
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| TankGirl... you know how it is, lol. Didn't realize I was supposed to post pics of myself with my makeup and hair done. Last edited on 24 August 2011 10:46 am by TareChiMama
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Posted: 23 August 2011 10:13 pm |
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| lol don't sweat it- I look like a zombie without my makeup.
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Posted: 23 August 2011 10:14 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote:
lol don't sweat it- I look like a zombie without my makeup.
meeee toooo! LOL!
And usually feel like one, too, until about 3 cups of coffee later, haha
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Posted: 24 August 2011 06:41 am |
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Now you have removed the other 5 pictures you have posted and post one of another woman with a totally different nose, eyes and hair than the other two women you posted that you claim to be you.
Why do you have to lie?
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Posted: 25 August 2011 12:22 am |
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Michelle, TankGirl, and Nir...
This is me.... I am 5'7"... I am 158 lb. I want to be 145, so I'm not saying I'm perfect. But I am also NOT someone who can be called gluttonous, overweight, obese, a liar, or not a real woman!!!
I am naturally blonde... I dye my hair dark 99% of the time. I like it better that way and to be honest the upkeep is easier.
Those are my teeth, they look the same in all pictures.. gap between the top two, but straight.
That's my nose, straight and upturned on the end. My eyes are blue. I wear lots of different makeup... ladies, you know how that goes.
Anyway...
I delete my other photos because I don't like leaving them up on a public site like this full of insults, stalkers, and misuse of information...I'll make my point, delete these too and then move on...
JS, this does not concern you at all... I am doing this because I want other women to know...
You can be 158 and it doesn't mean you are fat! I'm NOT fat. Your weight is a number... if you want to know whether or not you are content with yourself just look in the mirror and ask the reflection!!
With that said, you can also not be fat and still want to be MORE THIN. You can pass a class with a C+, but why not shoot for an A! :-)
And you also don't need to let others bully you or be ashamed of what you look like.
You can call me fat if you want because I weigh "a lot" (whatever) and wear a size 8... but my doctors do not think I am "overweight" and neither does my personal trainer.
Do I still have a ways to go...sure! :-)
But I love me the way I am now no matter what and just as much as I will love me at my goal. Cuz the inside doesn't change that easily :-)
And if you are "overweight," well you're HERE, so obviously you have taken at least one step towards changing that! And if anyone wants any POSITIVE reinforcement, please feel free to PM me! :-) <3Attached Image (viewed 835 times):
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Posted: 25 August 2011 12:23 am |
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SMILE! 
...and put me in a boxing ring with Sugar Ray any day! I beat up twigs like him for breakfast by sitting on them with my FAT ASS, LMAO Attached Image (viewed 911 times):
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JSABD
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Posted: 25 August 2011 12:30 am |
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We all know it is not you. You have posted 4 different images that you say are you and then you remove them. You are a phony. It's really pathetic.
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