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Posted: 20 January 2010 01:02 pm |
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You are a sweetie  .
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Posted: 20 January 2010 01:03 pm |
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Ain't I though???
Dang!!! You got the page turn.
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Posted: 21 January 2010 02:16 am |
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Hi, Guys,
Well, just wanted to check in for a quick hi! It sounds like you are both doing great on the exercise and even you, Bert, making great progress!
Today I spent about 4 hours at the spa. No "treatments" but that was exercise, reading in a lovely room and the indoor therapy pool. I am very lucky to be staying here given the weather. This morning was half decent but then it started raining again.
I was counting on MA to keep health care alive. I cannot believe that the democrats did not take such an important election more seriously. I am an independent and vote both ways but health care is a shambles and we need to get off the pot and start doing something! How ironic for this to happen as a replacement for Ted Kennedy too. Love him or hate him, he was devoted to health care. That he died before this is really too bad, I think.
Enough politics!
Anne
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Posted: 21 January 2010 11:18 am |
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Hey Anne, did Ray watch some more TV  . I'm with you on health care but Bert and I have agreed to disagree so no more talk about politics, except I did get the page turn so.....
Sorry I could not resist.
Have a great day Spice Buds.
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Posted: 21 January 2010 11:57 am |
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Wait a second, I never agreed to stop talking politics. We just agreed to disagree on healthcare.
Actually, we do need to do something about the rising costs. I just don't agree with what is being proposed. I would rather see some real free market changes. For example, we have a great medical plan but we're limited to what we can buy in this state. If the laws were changed to allow people to buy insurance across state lines we would see insurance prices drop quickly.
But insurance is only part of it. Even with lower insurance premiums, the cost of healthcare is another issue. Consider your car insurance. Even if your premiums were lower the cost to repair a car after an accident wouldn't necessarily change. Insurance is only a part of the puzzle, albeit a big one.
Anne, I'm glad you're having a great time and relaxing in spite of the weather.
Have a great day, ladies.
I love's 'ya.
Bert
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Posted: 22 January 2010 11:11 am |
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Hey Bert, well we made it to Friday  .
Hey, where did the picture you had go? I don't know who that was...should I?
Any weekend plans? Nothing big for me just the usual running around to get errands done. We are suppose to get down pours on Sunday so I will probably just hunker down in the house. Too bad it isn't going to be snow  . I haven't gotten any snowshoeing in this year yet. Oh well I guess it will be walking for exercise this weekend again.
Have a great weekend Buddy.
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Posted: 22 January 2010 11:50 am |
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Hey there,
Yeah, TGIF!!!.
I think I'm going to a gun show tomorrow morning with a buddy but I have to check with him today. I have a shotgun I want to sell so we'll see. Saturday night we're having dinner at my son's so I get to see the grandbabies. I missed that on Christmas. I'm looking forward to that. Other than that I really don't have a lot planned.
I thought you guys had a lot of snow recently. How much do you need for snowshoeing?
That pic was just for you. I'll give you a hint. She passed away July 18th, 1969.
Anne, we're thinking of you. I hope the weather is improving. If not, you may want to see if you can have a tour at Taylor Guitars. They're in El Cajon, a suburb of San Diego. They have regular tours for the public. They make fantastic guitars. I have one and it's absolutely beautiful and a dream to play. The sound is incredible too. Mine is an acoustic but they make electrics too. It would be something to do.
Have a great day, gals.
Bert
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Posted: 22 January 2010 12:03 pm |
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Ahh Mary Jo Kopechne, I knew she looked familar. We will never know the full trugh on that one I will give you that, but he did spend the rest of his life making up for it in many ways. For a ridh guy he did have a compassion and an understanding for the poor.
Have a good weekend and enjoy that gun show.
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Posted: 22 January 2010 12:05 pm |
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Yeah, I believe he felt the guilt of that night through his entire life. Really a sad situation.
You have a good one too.
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Posted: 23 January 2010 11:31 pm |
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Hi, Guys,
Just one more quick check in before beginning our trip back tomorrow. I should be back on by Monday. I am kind of interested to see how I did on the weight. Lots of opportunitites to eat out but we didn't take most of them - too much food. I really tried to watch it and worked out alot. I know I wasn't perfect but if I gained weight, I will be very disappointed.
The sun finally came out today (we have moved and are now staying with friends for the last couple days) but it was still quite cool. No shorts here.
See you all soon!
Anne
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Posted: 25 January 2010 11:02 am |
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Hey guys, looks like we're all here today?
Hope everyone had a good weekend. Anne, it sounds like you had a great time and also were careful on the food, I hope it shows at the scale  .
I got a 7 mile walk in on Saturday, I didn't bring the right gloves and my hands were frozen by the end. I can honestly say I don't think they have ever been so cold. I couldn't even bend my fingers to start the car. I had to use two hands, not an easy thing to do  . The temps were in the low 20's and I was fine except for my own stupidity in taking the wrong gloves.
Bert, you asked about snow, we really don't have that much maybe a foot or so on the ground. I could snow shoe in it but it really would be silly.Right now it's more icy than anything else so when we go for long walks we take our YakTracs or Stablicers depending on how icy it is. The best snow shoe weather is a couple of feet of fresh snow on top a a couple of feet of base snow. At least that's what I like. I really love it when we get to break a fresh trail, it's hard work but a lot of fun.
Have a good Monday.
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Posted: 25 January 2010 12:03 pm |
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Just a foot of snow. That would cripple Charlotte for a week! We're just not equipped to handle that.
The weekend was ok. Got to see the grandbabbies Saturday night and that's always a treat. Other than that, it was kind of a blurr with doing things around the house and going to see my uncle who just got home from the hospital. He had to have a malignant tumor removed from his colon. I thing the surgery is all he's going to do. He's 84.
Anne, don't beat yourself up if you gained. You were on vacation. You did the right things and if you worked out and gained a little muscle in the process, this will show as weight gain but it's the right kind of weight gain. Please don't use the scale as your primary measure of progress.
Gotta get back to work. Beginning of the semester is crazy and I have to leave early this afternoon for PT. Back is still tweaking and leg is still numb. I felt a twinge of pain in the groin too, over the weekend and this morning. I'll have to speak with the doctor about that on Wednesday.
Take care, gals.
Bert
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Posted: 25 January 2010 02:37 pm |
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Hello, my fellow Spicers,
Well, we got home very late last night. A friend of mine from Melbourne Australia - someone I used to work with - was in Telluride last week and is leaving this morning. So after we flew in yesterday, we went directly to Telluride to have dinner with him and his wife so we didn't get back until late.
The net net for the 10 days was up 1 lb - on top of what I was already up. Very disgusting. I have lots and lots of work to do. Time to get started. Shouldn't be too hard today with no food in the house! Ha!
I am interested to hear what they say about your back on Wednesday, Bert. It does sound like you are mending. Was there anything you did this weekend that might have set you back a bit?
It snowed here while we were gone but not too much. Should probably go out and shovel the driveway so it does not get too icy. Fran, what are those things you were talking about for the ice? Is it something you strap on your feet?
Fran, how cold was it when you went out for that walk? Are your fingers perfectly OK now? You gotta watch out about that stuff!
Rather than beat myself up about it all day, I have just decided not to work out today. I am always so worn out after a big travel day. I just feel like relaxing and I am going to do it. I got plenty of exercise while we were away; it won't kill me to take a day off.
But I AM going to be really good on the food!
Anne
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Posted: 25 January 2010 03:14 pm |
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Anne, do not beat yourself up, to go on vacation and only gain one pound is fantastic! I know you were hoping for a loss but really, with all the tempting food you had around you did great.
When I walked yesterday it was about 15 degree when we started out. When it's below 25, I usually wear a pair of light weight gloves with a pair of mittens over them but for some reason I took the light weight gloves and a pair of medium weight gloves. The problem was I couldn't really fit the light weight gloves into the medium weight gloves. For some reason my hands seem to get colder than other peoples, I must have poor circulation into my hands....or a very warm heart .I have to say I was a little worried, my hands have never been so cold but they are fine now.
The feet things, yup you wear them to avoid slipping on ice. We have two types, Yaktracks which are basically springs on rubber you put on over you boots/shoes and Stabilicers which are cleats on rubber also worn over your shoes. The Stabilicers are definitely better but also a little pricey, the good ones are about $ $50.00, the Yaktracks are like $25.00. A couple things though, the Yaktracks wear out a lot faster and don't grip as well, they stretch over your shoe so the rubber breaks. The Stabilicers wear well and the cleats are replaceable so they have a much longer life. If you are thinking abut getting either one let me know because there are several different styles of each and some are definitely better than others. Yak Traks.  Stabilcers 
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Posted: 25 January 2010 03:18 pm |
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Anne, 1 lb is nothing on a vacation. You did well, girl! Don't beat yourself up.
Fran, how do those things look with your little black dress???
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Posted: 26 January 2010 10:24 am |
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The Stabilicers are a little clunky but the Yaktraks look great on my black heels with the bow on the front .
Today was weigh in day and I am at 128.1, I am having a hard time getting out of the high 120's, I've been playing around in that area for weeks. Maybe my body is trying to tell me something but guess what....I am the master of my domain and I want to be at 123 so I will do it  <-----that is game face not mad face.
Bert, what's up with the back? I assume they have ruled out a herniated disc? I am surprised that it seems to have flared up again. I know not being able to exercise is really hard for you. Do you have access to a pool at your school? I personally hate to swim but it really is a good alternative while your back is acting up. I do hope it heals soon or at least you can find out what the cause of the problem is.
Anne, I hope you're over your disappointment about your tiny weight gain on vacation, you really did so well. Heck the week before last I gained a pound and I wasn't even on vacation, well apparently my mouth was but I wasn't suppose to be.
Hey guys.....I have a cooking question. I am making cream of broccoli and mushroom soup, there are 3 cans of condensed soup, 2 lbs of broccoli, 8 oz of mushrooms and 1 pint of fat free half and half and some spices. It seems to me I should be using a lot more moisture....milk or something, what do you think? I've checked it that one pint of half and half is it. If you agree would you go with skim milk or fat free evaporated skim milk (which I use as a cream substitute in recipes) or maybe both....or neither? Obviously I can check it later and see where it's at but I don't know that there is even enough moisture in there to get it started. Oh yeah, it's a crockpot recipe.....but you guys probably already knew that since it's me talking here .
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Posted: 26 January 2010 01:24 pm |
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Mornin' gals.
Fran, the back is tweaking just enough to remind me I have to be careful. On a scale of 1-10 the pain would be a 2. The doc said it was a bulging disc. I don't know how that differs from a herniated disc though. I see him tomorrow and will hopefully get more info and the green light to start working out again. The therapist wants to go over the exercises in my P90-X program with me so I'll know what I can do, what I have to modify and what I have to cut out, or at least find a substitute. We'll see. In the meantime I'm trying to control calories and doing my PT exercises religiously. She added two more yesterday. All total it's taking me a half hour or so.
Also, don't worry about the 128. If I recall you said you were lifting weights. Don't forget that muscle is heavier than fat. Don't use the scale as your only measurement. You two tend to do that. Clothes and how you look are more important. People can see you in the little black dress. They have no idea what you weigh and it's none of their business.
Anne, you too. Don't fret over that scale. Eat right, eat often, and workout. You'll be fine.
Gotta go. My classes started this week and things are nuts here.
Bert
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Posted: 26 January 2010 04:10 pm |
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Good morning!
Hey Fran, wanna trade weights? I could really give you something to work on - those last 5 lbs can be so obstinate! But really, 128 sounds marvelous!
One thing that both of you have really reinforced to me (why couldn't I get this earlier?) is that when you reach your goal weight, you have to continue to WRITE DOWN everything you eat. This is a hard thing for me - I am not that regimented naturally. But really, I think for me, that has to be a big part of the lifestyle change. Without it, it is just too hard to get off track in small ways that all seem to add up. Why is this such a hard thing to learn?????
I was very good yesterday - and wrote everything down. Down 1 lb.
Anne
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Posted: 26 January 2010 04:16 pm |
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Anne, I'm going to send you something. I thought I had but maybe I forgot. It will be easier to keep track.
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Posted: 26 January 2010 05:43 pm |
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I agree, writing it down whether it's a computer program like I use or just a good old fashion notebook. It really makes a difference. No question, it's a pain but I think it is probably the most important thing you can do. I think we all tend to forget about that one cookie, or even celery stuffed with peanut butter....how bad can that be...and it's not but when we don't document it easily becomes 2 cookies and then maybe 3.
Now why didn't either one of you help me with my cooking question????? Is it that you don't know or you just thought it would be funny to see just how bad a meal I can serve?? .
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Posted: 26 January 2010 05:59 pm |
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OH! I forgot about the cooking question. I guess it took me by surprise.
I think a lot depends oh how thick it's supposed to be. You may just want to add a little water just to thin it out if it's too thick. This way you're not adding calories.
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Posted: 26 January 2010 06:00 pm |
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Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot!!!
I agree that it sounds like too little liquid and in my opinion, alot of soups are just way too thick. If you are using the fat free soup, I think that creaminess (or lack therof) can be an issue as well.
Since the broccoli and mushrooms will add bulk, I would do the equivalent of 3 - 4.5 soup cans of "milk" to the recipe. I would probably use a combination of the fat free condensed milk with skim milk - about half of each. I would also add some garlic and onions if the recipe does not already call for that.
Hope that helps, cooker Spice!
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Posted: 26 January 2010 06:12 pm |
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| Thanks guys, Anne I like the idea of adding onions but I think it might be too late. If we like it I will definitely do that next time. Unfortunately when I looked it up I found it may be a little too high in carbs for Frank, it's close to the max for his meal assuming he has 2 cups of it. It's hard to watch calories and carbs but for him becuase of his diabetes the carbs are really important to keep under control.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 11:01 am |
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Good morning Spice Buds.
My soup was terrible , I can assure you I won't be making that again. I think the recipe was just screwed up. I added some skim milk and some water as you both suggested because otherwise it was this thick glob of goop. But even with that it just wasn't very good. We ate it but no one went for a second bowl I can tell you that. On the other hand I made tuna wraps and when I made the tuna salad I added lemon pepper seasoning, that was really good.
Bert, I know you are right about not fixating on a number, i know that in my head but I have a very hard time embracing it. I'll work on on though .
I've been going to the gym for about 10 months now and I can see a difference. One I have to remind myself of at 4:30 in the morning when that alarm goes off and every fiber of my being wants to sleep another 10 minutes .
Tonight we are having steak for supper so I am going to keep my calories low so I can have a little extra, I do love a good steak. I used to eat a one pound steak by myself  , now I try for 6 ounces but to do that I have to keep the calories down during the day. Looks like eggs for breakfast and plain tuna for lunch. It will be worth it though. Wish it was summer so I could have some corn on the cob with the steak  .
Have a great day guys.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 11:58 am |
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Mornin' gals,
Fran, I love steak too. It's on the menu for this week. Tonight is leftover pork tenderloin with brown rice and a veggie. This morning I had an egg white omelet with 2 slices of 2% cheese and three turkey sausages. Lunch will be a salad with a chicken breast. Same thing I had last night but I like it. I'm sorry your soup turned out badly.
I had a horrible night. Had a sinus headache when I went to bed at 9:30pm and had it all night. I still have it. Between this and a freakin' owl outside my window, I got little sleep. My back is bothering me too. On a scale of 1-10, it's 3 this morning. Really pi$$ing me off! I have a doctor appt. this afternoon but I'm going to still be on the ibuprofen for my head so it should help my back some.
Anne, we have an appt. with the tax dude on 2/11. We better not have to pay because we just got my portion of the emergency room bill from Christmas. We owe $1,800! I'm so bummed out about this. I have no idea what the next few months will bring.
I'll be in touch, ladies. Have a good day.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 12:54 pm |
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Hey Bert, I get sinus headaches a lot, instead of regular ibuprofen try to pick up some Advil cold and sinus, it really works a lot better on the sinus headache than the plain stuff.
I have our tax appt on 2/11 too...what a weird co coincidence. Sorry about that big co pay, that's a killer one.
Hope you feel better soon, headache, backache and now a big hospital bill...oh boy
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Posted: 27 January 2010 12:55 pm |
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Well, maybe the regular ibuprofen will help my back too. Kill two birds with 600 mg stones, as it were.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 01:40 pm |
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EEK, $1800 for emergency room! I hate to be nosy but what the heck kind of insurance do you have??? You must have a large deductible or something. To me, this is just another example of how screwed up our health care system is. Too bad you are not on welfare, then you would not owe anything!
Fran, sorry about the soup. That's a bummer. I have an old weight watcher recipe for cream of broccoli soup that I can send you if you like. It was not a crock pot recipe, however and requires a food processor to puree the soup. Let me know if you'd like it.
I had a good day yesterday eating wise. I liked the site you suggested, Bert. It took a little time to input foods because much of what I eat is not on the list. But once I get through this phase, it should be easier. I really like that it adds everything up as you go along.
This same site suggested 1200 calories per day for me. I was doing 1300 before and was a little concerned that that was even a bit low. So I thought I would stick to 1300 for now anyway. Do you guys have any thoughts on this?
I had a headache all day yesterday too, Bert and it is still there. Not really bad, just annoying. I had not thought about sinus. I think I'll take a sudafed to see if that helps.
Fran, 4:30 in the morning is frightening! I can't imagine! Since you work out of your house, do you have some control over your hours? Is there another reason you get up so early?
Good day, Mates
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Posted: 27 January 2010 01:48 pm |
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Anne, we have a pretty good plan but the copay for emergency room is steep. It's $200 plus 20% of the bill. The bill was $8,200. The reason health care is so high is for all those on welfare. Let's not get Fran upset. This is a hot button for her.
Regarding your calories, I don't know if that where you want to be or not. Can I ask how much you want to weigh vs. where you are now and how tall you are? The calculator on this site is pretty good. Go to http://www.caloriesperhour.com/index_burn.php and use the BMR RMR calculator. Essentially you can put in what you want to weigh and it will give you a range of calories, depending on your activity level. Try it and let me know what you think.
Later gators,
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Well, Bert, I have a feeling that Fran and I are more on the same page with regard to health care. Of course, she has the MA plan as a backup which is better than what some people have.
We shouldn't discuss religion or politics I guess. I think that health care should not be political but it has been made to be because of all the big business involved. Here we are the richest county in the world and people go bancrupt because they can't pay for their cancer treatment or an accident - it is disgusting. I personally think that poor people SHOULD be able to get treatment. Only I don't think they should have to go to the emergency room (which is more expensive) to get it. We should have more accessible clinics for the poor. Plus we need to start thinking in terms of promoting good health in this country. The average fitness of Americans is embarrassing. I truly could go on and on about this subject.
Fran, are you going to stay quiet?
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Posted: 27 January 2010 02:13 pm |
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I know. Politics and religion generally are hot buttons. I too think that people who are truly poor need help. No question. I'm sure I'd have a better health plan if I could buy outside of NC but we can't. Federal law says we have to buy in our state. Just imagine if that rule went away and people could by from any state or company they chose. The rates would fall quickly, I'm sure. I'd be in favor of that.
The other issue about healthcare is the actual cost though and that has nothing to do with the price of insurance. For example, if my car insurance was reduced, that wouldn't necessarily have any effect on what I would pay to have my car repaired in a body shop. Insurance costs and the actual cost of care are two different things.
I'm not sure what the answers are but I don't think the government running it is one of them. I don't think government does anything really well at all.
Fran, you don't have to get into this. I know you're steamin' right about now.
I agree we should do something about healthcare costs in general. I'd just like to see a free market approach rather than a government involvement.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 02:56 pm |
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OK, I just can't resist!
I totally agree that insurance is not the same as health care. Costs for both are out of control and each needs to be addressed.
Unfortunately, the free market approach does not work with everything - and believe me, I don't like the govt involved either. But it does not work well when companies are incented NOT to provide service or to restrict service.
Here are some things that the govt could do in lieu of taking over health care that I think would help:
* Mandate that everyone get health care coverage. The poor could be subsidized since I think they deserve coverage too. I don't think there is any hope if we don't spread the risk across the entire population.
* Tort reform. Some doctors are bad, but I think we have to realize that medicine is not perfect. It's too bad that your husband died but that does not automatically mean that you deserve $10M in damages from your doctor or the hospital.
* The incentives for doctors need to change. Tort reform would help (I think this tends to make them go overboard with testing). They should also not be rewarded based on the number of procedures they prescribe - MRA's, MRI's, minor surgeries, etc. I don't know what the answer is but it needs to somehow be based on what they are doing for individual patients themselves and perhaps patient progress.
* Insurance companies need to provide coverage for everyone, no exceptions. The flip side of this for them is that everyone will be required to get it so they will also have those 20 year olds with no health issues. I also support competion across state lines.
* The Govt could provide incentives for states to develop their own health care programs. I think states are probably better equipped to do this and if they did, we could get 50 experiments going instead of just one. Maybe we could learn something from that. I am personally in favor of single payer plans but the Federal govt will never go this way. The states might have a chance though.
* The Govt could provide a backup public option. There are always corner cases, people who fall through the cracks for some reason. This could be their backup.
* We can't afford to save everyone. This is a tough issue though and I realize it. How do you develop guidelines for such a personal human issue? Still, spending millions on a premie baby that will never be normal does not make sense - as one example.
OK, I'm done. I think. Very hot button with me. I have had 15 years of getting our own health insurance with no company backing and it is a nightmare.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 03:17 pm |
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I agree with:
* Tort reform. Some doctors are bad, but I think we have to realize that medicine is not perfect. It's too bad that your husband died but that does not automatically mean that you deserve $10M in damages from your doctor or the hospital.
* The incentives for doctors need to change. Tort reform would help (I think this tends to make them go overboard with testing). They should also not be rewarded based on the number of procedures they prescribe - MRA's, MRI's, minor surgeries, etc. I don't know what the answer is but it needs to somehow be based on what they are doing for individual patients themselves and perhaps patient progress.
You're right about the testing. They have to do it now because if they don't and someone gets worse or dies, the family will sue the crapola out of the doctors. Tort refrom is a real issue.
I disagree with:
* Mandate that everyone get health care coverage. The poor could be subsidized since I think they deserve coverage too. I don't think there is any hope if we don't spread the risk across the entire population.
This is unconstitutional. The federal government can't force people to buy a product. I truly believe in the Constitution.
I agree in part with:
* Insurance companies need to provide coverage for everyone, no exceptions. The flip side of this for them is that everyone will be required to get it so they will also have those 20 year olds with no health issues. I also support competion across state lines.
* The Govt could provide incentives for states to develop their own health care programs. I think states are probably better equipped to do this and if they did, we could get 50 experiments going instead of just one. Maybe we could learn something from that. I am personally in favor of single payer plans but the Federal govt will never go this way. The states might have a chance though.
Keep in mind that if companies have to insure everyone, a person with pre-existing conditions will have to pay more. It's not unlike someone with a bad driving record who pays more or a bad credit risk that has to pay a higher interest rate.
I would much rather see a state make it's decisions rather than the Federal Government but where are these "incentives" coming from? The government doesn't make anything or produce anything. They're going to have to tax unless they give tax credits to states to help them. Good luck with that one.
I think this is scary:
* We can't afford to save everyone. This is a tough issue though and I realize it. How do you develop guidelines for such a personal human issue? Still, spending millions on a premie baby that will never be normal does not make sense - as one example.
What if that someone is you or Ray or another loved one? It happens and I don't want a bureaucrat making that decision. I feel human life is sacred and we have to fight to keep someone alive, normal or otherwise. I have a good friend whose brother was born years ago severly retarded and with cerebral palsy. His mother took care of him daily until he died at 22. She wouldn't have had it anyother way. I know that you know this is a tough issue and it is. I'm not sure your generalization about millions on a premie baby is a good one. Generally speaking, if a premie baby is going to die due to complications, he'll pass before that kind of money could be spent. I would think so anyway.
Over all, Anne, I think we agree totaly that something must be done. How we get there is open for debate and that's a good thing. This is too important to our country to have it forced upon the population without good, honest discussion and this is what we're doing here. This is refreshing and I appreciate it.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 04:55 pm |
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Well, the federal government imposes tax, I don't see why they can't impose a mandate for health coverage. Call it a tax then. Yes, I think we need to pay for this one.
You need to have car insurance to drive a car. I know the argument goes that you don't have to drive a car and that is true. Trouble is, people think they can do without healthcare until they need it. And then it falls to all the others who have been responsible to pay for their care. Seems to me just by taking up room on the street that we are vulnerable to a host of issues that would require health care. We all need to pay in and I really believe that this is a key. I realize of course, that not everyone agrees.
Unfortunately, I don't think that the exhorbitant amounts to keep people alive is out of line. I do, however, totally understand the difficulty. It is a huge social issue and I don't want it to fall to bureaucracy either. I really don't know how this can be solved. I don't think there is going to be a perfect answer.
Think forward another 50 years... With nanotechnology, it is entirely possible - if not likely - that we will be able to sustain life way beyond where we ever thought possible. I'm not for killing off the old and especially if productive life can be sustained. But I think we do need to think about it. Perhaps we are setting up our own demise with overpopulation and health care consuming our GNP.
OK, maybe now I am done. Maybe not.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 05:07 pm |
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Car insurance is a state mandate, not federal. That's another issue. I'm speaking strictly of what the federal government can and can't do with respect to the Constitution. It does state that the government can levy taxes but that's different.
I don't think either one of use will be here 50 years from now. Possible, but I doubt it.
I guess we agree to disagree on some of these things. I do disagree your statement "I'm not for killing off the old and especially if productive life can be sustained. But I think we do need to think about it." To be honest, that kinda scares me, Anne. If productive life can't be sustained we should think about killing off the old??
We can discuss this further in person with a glass of wine when/if I can pay to get out there.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 06:06 pm |
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I am totally staying out of this....you both know where I stand I say universal health care now. No one should go without insurance or worse yet loose everything they have because someone get sick. No one is going to convince me otherwise...I work for an insurance company and believe me they are there for one reason and one reason only....to make a profit. Nothing wrong with making money in my opinion I just don't think health care should be a place to make it. To me it's no different than public schools, you pay taxes and that is the end of it. They are run by the state but the federal government sets lots and lots of mandates that the states must implement and comply with ie. no child left behind. Remeber it is government by the people, FOR the people. Hey what the heck is medicare but a federally mandated health coverage, I just want it for everyone.
See....there you go I wanted to stay out of it.
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Posted: 27 January 2010 06:08 pm |
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| I'm glad you wanted to stay out of it.
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Posted: 28 January 2010 10:49 am |
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Good morning guys. I did a long post and then went to get a website for Anne and poof....I lost my entry .
Anyway... Bert your omelet yesterday inspired me and I made one today with one whole egg, 2 egg whites and some low fat cheese , and low calorie to boot. Thanks for the idea.
Anne, thanks but no thanks on that WW soup recipe....did you say food processor . Definitely too difficult for me .
I could definitely work my hours differently, but I actually like early hours. I used to get up at 5 and get myself to the gym for a 5:45 class which was no rush.But since I started doing the weight training I have to get there 45 minutes earlier so I can do my weights before the class....I would be too tired after the class to do it in reverse order. I could also go after work but I have no motivation then. When Frank gets home he goes to the gym and I could go then but they don't have the class I want at that time and I really don't want to go out. The change just means I get up a half hour earlier, brush my teeth, sort of comb my hair, take the dogs out and run out the door. It's hectic but I prefer it so don't feel bad for me...I have made my choices .
Anne, you asked about calories. I go with 9700 a week, I count weekly because I like to cheat a little on the weekends. I go with 1300 Monday through Thursday and then I go to 1500 for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Once in a while if there is something special I stay with the 1300 and then go one day pushing 2000. When I do that I loose about a pound a week, give or take a little. But remember I am Short Spice, I bet you can get a few more. And also....I know you hate to hear it but I have the best results when I go low carb. I am not saying no carb but I shoot for less than 30% of my calories in carbs...don't always make it but that is my goal. There are lots of good sites to calculate the calories you need, the one on this site is good, my favorite is http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm I don't know why, I just like that one the best but they are all good.
If you feel like spending $30 or so I use a program called FitDay, well actually email me because I have a plan. I would not say it was excellent but it is a little better than the free ones I've tried and it has a few bells and whistles I like.
So I planned on making this short and sweet since I have a busy day ( I will be on the road most of the day) but my plan didn't work too well did it?
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Posted: 28 January 2010 11:42 am |
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Mornin' gals,
Fran, that's an interesting approach, doing it weekly. I know that there is 3500 calories in a pound of fat so in order to lose a pound in a week, there has to be a deficit of 500 calories a day. This can be done either just with food or a combination of food calories and exercise, i.e., what you burn. Looking at this from a weekly perspective, rather than daily is interesting and can give you the flexibility you want. Great idea!
I also agree with you on the carbs issue. I don't cut them out but I try to keep them low and when I do have them, it's from whole grain bread, pasta or brown rice. Most of them are from veggies and fruit.
Anne, the My Fitness Pal site also calculates, in grams, how much protein, carbs and fat you have. You can make your plan accordingly.
My doctor appt. was cancelled yesterday afternoon at the last minute. They lost power and phones in the office. They called me on the cell phone. I'm going to send them a bill for $25 for cancelling at such short notice.
Have a great day, ladies.
I loves 'ya.
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Posted: 28 January 2010 12:46 pm |
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| You are right Bert, I should have said "healthy carbs". I to go w/ whole wheat or "Smart Pasta" restrict myself to stuff like fruits and veggies. Basically it;s the processed carbs I try to avoid.
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Posted: 28 January 2010 03:19 pm |
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Good morning!
Fran, you wanted to stay out of it? You left me out there all alone with Bert? I was deserted!!
Interesting discussion about all the carbs... When I am being good (like I am now) I definitely restrict carbs to the good ones. I mean, how can you expect to lose weight on bread, ice cream and cake? So I eat lots of veggies, some fruit (higher in calories so I watch that), some yogurt, high fiber bread (oroweat double fiber is my current favorite at 70 cals per slice). If I have a starch at dinner at all, it would be something like 1/2 of a baked sweet potato (125 caloriese typically). My big deviation is that I allow myself one treat per day of 130 calories (10% of my daily total) and I usually have it after dinner. For example, yesterday I had two oreo cookies with a cup of diet cocoa. The cookies were 140 calories which was just a tad over. Now, I know that the cookies have alot of carbs. Oh, I also have been having 1/2 cup of all bran cereal in the morning. The stuff looks like dog food and probably does not taste as good as the stuff Fran gives her dogs. I hate to spend the calories on it but I do find that my body functions better with it. This has become more important with needing to take calcium supplements that tend to constipate (sorry about that).
So what do you guys think? I know I can lose weight this way but do you think I could lose faster by lowering carbs more? Yes, I know I can eliminate the cookies but what about beyond that? One thing I am mindful of is that I want to eat in a way that I can sustain as well. If I never have any treats, I think I would feel pretty deprived.
I know there was something else I wanted to say but I can't remember it now! Geez!
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Posted: 28 January 2010 03:37 pm |
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Deserted????? What are you talking about???? You had me. You were in good company.
Some people, like me, are very carb sensitive and the starchy carbs like potatos, pasta and breads, create havoc. The whole grain ones are better as they keep things moving (Anne, I feel your pain) but I try to keep them at a minimum. Cereals will be shredded wheat or oatmeal. Breads are whole grain and I'll eat a half sweet potato too. Dairy is high in carbs too. Even skim milk. I'll have a cup of that with cereal but that's it. I also have the Danon Light and Fit yogurt.
I may have to reduce the carbs furthur. There have been several studies that show low or no carb diets definitely get results. Adkins, as an example, works. I've done it and lost 40 lbs but I put it back on. I wasn't learning anything and when I went back to carbs, I got bigger. Since I like carbs and they are a part of everyday eating, I've had to find a way to enjoy them but keep them to a minimum. Scotty Mac almost cuts them entirely and what he gets is from fruit and veggies. Cereals and starches are out with him. He has the results but I'm not sure I want to go that far.
When I have Oreos, I generally have them in a DQ Blizzard. How's that for carbing out????!!!!
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Posted: 28 January 2010 04:36 pm |
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I remember what I forgot now.
Have you guys heard of volumetrics? It is basically the idea of bulking up foods with lower calorie ingredients to add volume. For example, the omlett with egg whites idea. I had never heard the term before but I am the queen of volumetrics. I generally would rather eat more of something good and low calorie than a little of something high calorie. Earlier this week I made a meatloaf - 2/3 was ground turkey and beef, and 1/3 was very finely chopped veggies - carrots, onions, peppers, celery. A really nice size piece was only 275 calories.
Anyway, I think it is an interesting concept.
Fran, I will see if I can come up with a crock pot cream of broccoli soup for you. Is any chopping acceptable? Don't hold your breath but I'll put it on my list. And it sounds good.
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Posted: 28 January 2010 04:40 pm |
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I've never heard the term but that's what I do.
Don't confuse Fran with a complicated recipe. That's cruel.
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Posted: 28 January 2010 06:33 pm |
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Yes, I have heard of Volumetrics and I think it is a great concept. I don't follow it, or anything for that matter 100% but I think it is absolutely a good idea. In fact one of my carb lowering tricks is to add veggies to my pasta.
As for the cookies, if you are allowing the calories and carbs I don't see a problem. The dietitian she said for me 130 to 150 grams of carbs a day is good. I try to stay a lot closer to 130. She also pretty much told Frank that cereal is not a great choice, too many carbs and not filling enough. But again if you count the calories and carbs and they are within your range then I don't see a problem. I have a cup of double churned ice cream almost every night which is high in carbs but I only allow myself that treat if I can have it and stay under 140 gr for the day. It is kind of my incentive to keep the carbs low the rest of the day....it's easy for me to pass on bread, even a low carb bread if it might mean the difference between ice cream or celery with peanut butter for my snack. Calorie wise it's about the same but carb wise it is a big difference.
Breakfast in general I think is the hardest meal to go low carb on but I pretty much stick to eggs....no toast or low fat cottage cheese. Pretty much a high protein low carb breakfast. I could probably have one slice of toast but again....it could interfere with my ice cream and you know which one wins with me.
Bert, I agree with you, I don't think no carbs is the way to go either, for the reason you stated...it just isn't something you can sustain. I actually found this website when I was doing a no carb diet, FL4I but I could not sustain it and the fact that it did not allow veggies just didn't sit right with me. I think if you are looking for a low carb diet, The Zone might be a bit more middle of the road but I have never really looked into it.
One last comment, to solve the ahhmmm issue previously discussed....I take a fiber supplement everyday. I use Clear and Natural, just toss a couple of teaspoons in my tea and it seems to do the trick.
If you do find a crock pot recipe I would love it and yes, chopping up veggies is okay as long as we're not talking several different kinds .
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Posted: 28 January 2010 06:41 pm |
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You know, we're just a bunch of regular spices.
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Posted: 28 January 2010 07:34 pm |
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| Oh, I'm not going to FIND a crock pot recipe, I'm going to make one up just for you. With limited chopping, I have come to realize!
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Posted: 29 January 2010 11:01 am |
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Make up your own recipe . Anne you are insane. don't you know that's what restruants are for .
Hey guys, have a good weekend and remember to count those calories and yes Bert, bourbon does count.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 11:47 am |
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Mornin' gals!
Well, we're expecting a mix of sleet, freezing rain and snow tonight and into tomorrow. Accumulation anywhere from 1-6 inches. I know this isn't a big deal where you are but it's bad for us. Our total county budget for snow removal and deicing is $100M for a year! That's all.
I have a class tomorrow and I think I'm going to cancel it. The people can transfer to another one at a later date. The college will most likely close anyway but I don't want the 11 people fretting or risking themselves when they can go to another one and my instructor is a retired 72 year old woman and she would have an hour drive just to get to the campus. I don't want her risking herself either.
As for me, I'll be by the fire tomorrow and bourbon may be part of the picture, Fran. Yes, the calories count but there are no carbs in bourbon!
PT this afternoon and dinner with friends this evening. Should be a nice weekend.
Have a great one!
Snowbound Spice.
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Posted: 29 January 2010 12:13 pm |
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100 MIllion dollars or pesos?
BTW, have you tried bourbon in hot chocolate...I never had but it's worth a try. I love Baileys in my hot chocolate on a snowy day. I know you guys don't like the snow but I wish we could get some of that. Oh well another month, maybe it will snow here too.
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