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mavrick1183
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Posted: 4 June 2010 06:21 pm |
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| I am always hearing about different times and routines and it is getting confusing. Heres a question for all the pros out there when is the best time to do cardio and when is the best time to do weight training? Right now I am doing my lifting at night around 10pm I usually stay up till 1-2 am and im doing cardio whenever I can but on my work days this is very hard to maintain cause im working 11 hour days so if I cardio in the morning its the easiest but just was curious if there are any benefits to doing this differently? Also how much of this should I be doing? I am fairly well versed in the lifting side of things just not in the cardio I have never done it lol thanks in advance guys and gals.
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Nir
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Posted: 4 June 2010 10:37 pm |
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Do your cardio when you're most likely to do it.
For example, I participate in cardio studio classes so sometimes I do it at 9am in the morning and sometimes at 7pm at night.
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mavrick1183
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Posted: 5 June 2010 04:06 am |
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| Thanks again nir so anotherwords there is no real benefit to doing in the morning vs at night or after a meal or before so it pretty much is the same burn of fat no matter which? Or is that more because youre more likely to do it when you can vs trying to taylor your schedule around a certain time and if that time pattern doesnt mix and your late one day you will skip a workout? Im guessing probably a combination of both. also on a side note tonight i biked for 13.1 miles just to see if i could at a 3 with intervals of standing for 1 min every 5 mins it took me 50 mins to get there but my normal speed according to the computer display was around 16-17 mph the bike says calories burned 220 my heart rate was around 145 the whole time but i could easily carry on a conversation so not sure how all that works out but some say use the conversation some say use heart rate and some say use the computer on the bike im just not sure how many im realy burning im 5ft 10 inches 26 year old male? Last edited on 5 June 2010 05:02 am by mavrick1183
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Nir
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Posted: 5 June 2010 02:26 pm |
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How odd. I used our website's Bike Calculator (for a 308lb person) and got a number much higher than 220 calories so I don't know what to say:
Bicycling
1,231 calories in 50 min (13.1 miles at 15.7 mph)
my approach is to be conservative. Cycling isn't a weight-baring activity so might not directly scale with body weight the way other activities might, and our activity calculator multiples the MET with the weight to get the result. But I doubt it was as low as 220 calories for 50 minutes of exercise either. Probably somewhere between those two numbers
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suenos
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Posted: 5 June 2010 09:37 pm |
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re: your cals burns on the stationary bike, at 308lbs it's a pretty good estimate that you burned at least 900 cals, possibly more, for an hour of intense cycling. I'm wondering if your bike requires you to input your weight because most exercise machines that don't ask for weight are calibrated to assume an "average" male or female weight in calculating cals burned......
eta: and ditto to what Nir said - just schedule it for when you're most likely to do it. I like to keep cardio/lifting totally seperate unless it's circuit training. So if I'm running and lifting on the same day (not optimal but sometimes it has to happen depending on my schedule) then I'll run in the morning and lift in the p.m, usually thouugh it's alternating lifting days with cardio days. It's more performance than weight loss driven. You give (and get) your best lifting effort when you start "fresh" instead of energy depleted from just finishing cardio and vice versa.
p.s. Has your weight settled back down from your foray into the land of french fries yet?
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mavrick1183
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Posted: 6 June 2010 01:56 pm |
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thanks guys i thought it was kinda odd too the bike does not have parameters for entering weight so im sure its just using a general weight so im pretty sure it was more than 220 calories burned but i gotta say at the speed i was going it was supposed to be intense but i didnt feel like it was i could breathe just fine and hold a full conversation for most of that ride argh so confusing it makes it so hard to get the right number down for my calories burned. on a side note my weight did go back down and then some lol im at 308.8 now woo hoo the funny thing is the day after that crazy workout i stayed the same weight i was before then yesterday i ate more calories and didnt exercise a bit and woke up this morning 2 pounds lighter so go figure now of course i know its not linear for weight loss and i probably shouldnt weigh everyday but theres something with me eating below 2000 calories and not getting optimal weight loss so from now on im at 2100 as my normal day and one or two days a week at 2300-2500 we will see how that goes its kinda strange but last night my wife made pasta with some meat i havent had carbs for dinner in a while and man did i have energy i was bouncing off the walls at 1 am lol woke up and lost weight  who knows why lol has anyone else noticed with a larger deficit you just cant seem to get out of bed? it seems to me like when i eat enough calories my body says hey its ok to let go of some of this and if i dont eat enough it says nope this will not be comming off of you lol im glad to have seen this happen though this is 2 times now with a couple weeks separating them that i have eaten around 1800 calories for a few days and felt like this then increased the calores to 2200 or so and started to drop faster at 1800 my weight will stay the same the whole time its not till i get in 2100 that the scale moves down
at this stage im weighing daily to attempt to see where to get all my numbers im sure as time goes on and i get a good idea of what my body is doing to get rid of this weight i probably wont weigh as often.
as far as the workout thing im glad to hear you guys say that i have pretty much been doing exactly that cardio when i can and weights separate from cardio in the pm ....
i really cant thank you guys enough people would easily pay for this kind of advice on this website and they probably do but to see you guys responding in your own time and taking the time to answere questions like mine i am very greatful  and this has been a crucial part of me taking my life and body back not really sure how to thank someone for that just know that your advice is not falling on deaf ears.
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suenos
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Posted: 6 June 2010 02:55 pm |
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mavrick1183 wrote:
at this stage im weighing daily to attempt to see where to get all my numbers im sure as time goes on and i get a good idea of what my body is doing to get rid of this weight i probably wont weigh as often.
Ya know I really do get why you (and practically everyone else in the first stages of weight loss) does the daily weighing thing. Heck I did it myself despite being yelled at by the trainer every single day for six months (I used to call him Ivan the Terrible and we had actually fights about it!). In a way it really does help you to understand how your body quickly/slowly your individual body responds to a variety of changes in diet (i.e. sodium, carbs)...as long as you are only making diet/exercise changes based on actual trends (i.e. consistant changes over a longer period of time) rather than daily fluctuations it's all good.
And what you're doing with bouncing your cals up and down is a good thing...there are entire diets that are based around the concept of doing it that way. It's a tool to keep weight loss from stalling out from going too long on a big deficit. When I did diet plans for clients I always included a weekly "maint" day where one day a week caloric intake was whatever was required for maintence at the current weight....and a maintance week every couple months for people with a lot of weight to lose.
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mavrick1183
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Posted: 6 June 2010 03:51 pm |
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| hmmm very interesting so when you say maintenance do you mean unajusted rmr or adjusted rmr? also should i be using rmr or bmr i know the tutorial says rmr but just was curious why such a drastic difference between the 2?
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Nir
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Posted: 6 June 2010 04:22 pm |
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maintenance literally means the number of calories required to maintain (not lose, not gain) at the current weight. So it'll be 'adjusted RMR' - adjusted for the person's average level. Obviously eating at maintenance all the time will not result in weight loss (by definition) but doing it ocassionally can help -
1) with compliance - more calories giving an otherwise demoralised dieter a treat
2) with weight loss - potentially helping metabolism not to be sluggish
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Nir
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Posted: 6 June 2010 04:25 pm |
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See http://www.caloriesperhour.com/tutorial_BMR.php and in particular the Technical Notes
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mavrick1183
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Posted: 7 June 2010 02:27 am |
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| thanks nir
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Hellrazor
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Posted: 14 June 2010 07:01 pm |
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As a avid biker here yeah you burned way more then 220 calories. I would say in 30 mins you probably doubled that amount it said you did in 50 mins
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mavrick1183
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Posted: 15 June 2010 02:51 pm |
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| thanks razor appreciate the help it lets me know im on the right track actually while i have you here is there any way to more acurately find how many calories im actually burning? also something kinda strange if i bike at 16-17 mph for 45 mins i dont really sweat much if i get on the treadmill for 30 mins at 3mph im soaked in sweat and feel as if i ran a marathon now i know it has to do with it being more of a weight bearing exercise but why so much of a difference in how i feel after i feel great after biking and after the treadmill i feel worn out which is burning more and which is better? im gonna assume biking is better just due to the fact i can stick with it much easier but not sure which one will burn more Last edited on 15 June 2010 03:05 pm by mavrick1183
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