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Peter
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Posted: 11 November 2009 10:26 pm |
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Oh, I'm not sure I agree about Shay jumping through the hoop. It would be really hard to be obese and jump through a hoop and land on the other side. And the more you weigh, I think the more difficult it would be.
Peter
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tourproven
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Posted: 11 November 2009 10:33 pm |
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| absolutely! it is twice as difficult for Shay to do those things the others are doing. People just dont understand the difference it makes to be super heavy. I was never 'super' heavy, but heavy enough to not be able to do one single pull-up. For some 150 lb. guy to act like he's king of the world in the gym because he can do 30 pull-ups is comical. I'll bet if he were to strap a hundred pounds on his back (let alone 300) he wouldn't even be able to hold onto the f*cking bar!
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AshIdiot
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Posted: 11 November 2009 10:54 pm |
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| I just have to wonder if that's how it works. Shay could walk when she was 475 pounds or whatever, but not every normal sized guy could walk around if you strapped three hundred pounds to him. The heavier people have to naturally have more muscle just so they can physically move all that mass on a daily basis. If you think about proportions. Actually, I don't know, now I'm getting confused. If she can run on the treadmill weighing only 375 ish, why can't she just barely jump onto an 8 inch high trampoline....Ahhh. I need to mind my own business.
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Peter
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Posted: 11 November 2009 11:34 pm |
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Don't worry about minding your own business, LOL, that's what forums are for!
I see your point about the jumping, but I was mostly thinking about controlling her body coming down. She looked pretty helpless at that point.
And after flopping so uncontollably, it would be much harder to jump right back up and continue.
Peter
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tourproven
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Posted: 12 November 2009 03:04 pm |
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Next weeks episode looks like a winner. I like the make-over shows where the people can really see their 'new' selves for the first time.
I still think the contestants this season were too big to start off with. At the finally, you probably wont see anyone that got to a normal goal weight, they'll still seem like chubs with more to lose.
For me, the best season by far has been the Ali Vincent season.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 15 November 2009 05:24 pm |
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tourproven wrote: For me, the best season by far has been the Ali Vincent season.
Definitely. And she still looks awesome! 
I honestly was rooting for Shay. I know it's a game, but she really needed to stay. I don't know why, but I just don't like Amanda. I'm so tired of the ole 'America picked me' blah, blah, blah.  I also think I'm the only one who actually likes Liz.  What a kooky, rude, crude granny! I think she's so funny.  I don't have a favorite anymore as I was rooting for Abby and Shay - but I'll still be watching!
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Nancy_in_GA
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Posted: 16 November 2009 02:03 am |
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Scoobees wrote: I also think I'm the only one who actually likes Liz. What a kooky, rude, crude granny! I think she's so funny.
Nope, I like her too. At least she doesn't cry all the time.
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tourproven
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Posted: 18 November 2009 03:10 am |
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This post contains SPOILERS about the episode that aired TODAY Nov 17th.
Well, the makeover show was not nearly as spectacular as episodes past. The contestants are still too big (like I knew they would be). Nobody looked really great, perhaps Amanda. Also, this show ultra-confirmed my theory that Rudy is a #%@&!. Rebecca was the only one left in the show that I actually liked. For some reason I like people who cry all the time. Do you think I'm too old for her...? Anyway, it appears she has kept it going at home and is looking fantastic. Good for her. It would have been great if Liz would have fallen out of her seat on the Canyon Challenge. Too much? Dont care, I dont like her or Rudy at all. I guess I have to root for Danny or Amanda now. The poor Allen guy is just in the way. He's neither likable or dislikable. He's just there.
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Peter
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Posted: 18 November 2009 04:20 pm |
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tourproven wrote: I still think the contestants this season were too big to start off with. At the finally, you probably wont see anyone that got to a normal goal weight, they'll still seem like chubs with more to lose.
That was so true last night! In fact it made me think about how acceptable it has become in America to see them applauding all the obviously overweight people. Of course I know that the applause was for all the weight they had lost, and it was remarkable. But it still seemed odd.
Liz said something like haven't "seen me thin in years." Thin!?! I think looking at her before and after she changed the least and is so clearly overweight.
One thing I really liked was the acknowledgement that Danny's daughter was overweight, and her sweet words about looking forward to starting her journey. That was cool.
I thought Rudy look the most improved, though part of it was the change from the mountain man look.
I thought Alan looked the best.
I've been saying I liked Danny best and wanted him to win, and I think I still do. But again, while it's just amazing how much weight he has lost, he sure looks obese.
Peter
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Scoobees
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Posted: 18 November 2009 09:04 pm |
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Ok you guys - quit pickin' on my Liz!! Only joking...she sure gave me some giggles during her heights freak out !
I loved all the makeovers. Obviously no one was actually thin yet since they were all so heavy to begin with, with the exception of Amanda. But I think they all looked so much better - and the family reunions had me in tears half the night. I love that sappy stuff. 
Hated to see Rebecca go; but running that half marathon - you go girl! She looked great! Did anyone see her on Jay Leno right after?
And how about the 'Where are they now?' special next Wednesday?! I can't wait to see how some of the old contestants are looking...and who they are referring to when saying the 'one who gained it all back'. Hmmmm.
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Peter
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Posted: 18 November 2009 09:42 pm |
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Oh yea Scoobees, I forgot about Rebecca in the marathon. As they all did, she looked pretty heavy in the makeover. But looked great running the marathon!
Peter
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AshIdiot
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Posted: 18 November 2009 10:27 pm |
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Okay, I'm starting to get mad. Considering that this is a supportive weight-loss forum, I'm astounded at how you people are basically saying that the contestants are TOO FAT TO LOSE WEIGHT. That's just screwed-up. No one here started out thin either and some of us still aren't at our goals years later. And yet you're still arrogant enough to put yourself above the contestants on the social ladder. How bitter.
Second, I hated Rebecca but she sure looks great. I'm trying to figure out why no one likes Rudy though. And I definitely miss his beard and red hair!  Tabatha Coffey is amazing with hair. Her show is a riot too.
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tourproven
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Posted: 18 November 2009 10:44 pm |
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Ash---you hate Rebecca? You like Rudy's beard? You are living up to your name my friend.
It's not that they were too fat to lose weight, they were too fat to ever reach an ABSOLUTE GOAL weight by the finale. I want to see someone at the finale that no longer has any weight to lose. Its just not going to happen with this group.
Its like those slim fast commercials that show some CHUB that just lost 50 lbs. Well heck! They are still CHUBS! Nobody wants to see that. I want to reinforce that I can be perfect, not still a fat blob when my diet is over.
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AshIdiot
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Posted: 18 November 2009 10:50 pm |
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| Something tells me you're related to Jillian. Angry, self-obsessed, hate yourself even though you act like you're the greatest thing to ever hit planet Earth. Give it a rest.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 19 November 2009 12:08 am |
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| Say what?????? Who in the #%@&! said anything about the contestants being too fat to lose weight??? Huh? That don't even make SENSE if you actually meant that. What I said is that these contestants were the heaviest ever; and obviously by the end of the show, most will not have met their goals yet. What the heck is screwed up and being bitter about? I love this show, and this forum - please stop the hating.
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AshIdiot
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Posted: 19 November 2009 12:23 am |
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| The show was never about being skinny when the finale aired. It was about losing the most weight you could so you could get on with your life sooner. Proving to yourself and others that it can be done and will be done if you set your mind to it. Therefore I think it's bull that people are being rude to people who are "too fat at the beginning to possibly live up to my high standards of what I think quality television should be." If watching someone lose 120 pounds in 11 weeks isn't good enough for you, you're not in the show's target audience. That's all I'm saying.
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Peter
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Posted: 19 November 2009 12:29 am |
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AshIdiot,
I'm not going back and reading posts, but I didn't think anyone was saying what you suggest. They were just making the point that they get the most inspiration by seeing people reach goal weight, and so by starting with contestants that are so obese that they can't reach goal weight by the end of the show... well, it's just not as much an inspiration to them.
I think everyone acknowledges the great accomplishments they've made.
And I think Rudy looks better clean cut!
LOL,
Peer
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tourproven
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Posted: 19 November 2009 02:18 am |
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| I completely disagree. Being skinny at the finale is EXACTLY what this show IS about. To show that it is possible to reach your goals. "Goals" being the finish line. I've lost 32 lbs, but I certainly will not be happy until I lose another 30. I'm sorry thats just how it is. Nobody wants to see a half-ton'r become a quarter-ton'r at the end of the show. If that was the case, Daniel would have never been invited back to complete his journey. He was a novelty at 454 for people to marvel at, but everyone wants to see him at his final weight of 175. I am sorry if I offended you in some way, but Ali Vincent was a motivation at 121 lbs. whereas Daniel at 312 lbs. was not. And also, just to clarify, I do in fact hate Jillian; and the fact that I am the greatest thing to ever hit planet Earth has nothing to do with it.
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Nancy_in_GA
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Posted: 19 November 2009 12:48 pm |
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tourproven wrote: For some reason I like people who cry all the time.
I'm sure they've done polling or ratings stats on it and most agree with you, otherwise they wouldn't show so much of it.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 25 November 2009 07:43 pm |
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Any thoughts on last night's show? Not sure if it was just my mood, but I found it pretty snooze-worthy. Maybe just all the flashbacks in prep for the finale; the build-up and all. I think I'm rooting for Danny now. He pretty much won my heart last night. And for some reason I am now craving Multi-grain Cheerios. Gah, I hate those silly product endorsements.
***Don't forget tonight's Biggest Loser Where Are They Now show!!***
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Peter
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Posted: 25 November 2009 07:50 pm |
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I'd just noted that no one had posted and was drafting a post myself when yours showed up! Yes, a sleeper!
Thanks for the reminder about tonight's show!
Peter
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Peter
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Posted: 25 November 2009 07:54 pm |
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I was sorry to see Allen voted off vs. Liz. I really like Allen and never liked Liz so much.
I didn't realize Amanda was only 19! She sure looks much better with her weight loss.
Now, about the show in general...
I watched only enough of an episode the first season to get the jist of what it was about, and thought it was so awful that I never watched it again till this season. Though I thought last night's episode was pretty boring, I got hooked on it this season and pretty much had fun watching it. But I have concluded that the show is bad for America.
I don't mean to sound arrogant here... just giving me thoughts and I'm not going to insist or argue that they are correct... but after years and years of countless Overeaters Anonymous meetings -- hearing literally thousands of stories -- and all the time I have spent in this forum (though very little lately) since I created and ran it... I believe that one of the greatest problems people have with losing weight is their desire to do it quickly.
I think the gym is a great example. I've been going to gyms for coming on 50 years (no fooling!), and over the years I have very often spoken to new members to welcome them and encourage them. And given them my speech about the importance of taking it slow at first, SO THEY ENJOY THEIR WORKOUT AND WANT TO COME BACK! I tell them that when they see even a little progress, it will make want them to do more.
Still, I have seen countless (I really mean it when I use that word!) obese people come into the gym, work their butts off with trainers, and you never see them again.
I used to see the same thing at the track where I'd get to know most of the daily runners at least by sight. An obese person would show up and, probably feeling embarrassed just to walk at first like I did, bust their butt and maybe come back once or twice before quitting.
Well, everything I've been describing that discourages people is exactly what you see on The Biggest Loser. I know that when I've brought up some of these points before others have pointed out that it's different because they have trainers working with them. Or because it's a TV show. But that misses my point.
My point is that so many obese Americans watch the show and get inspired to lose weight quickly. And to bust their butt at the gym. And this leads to failure and more weight.
Sure, the show gives some good advice and sets some good examples. But for the most part the message is to lose weight very quickly, and for the average obese person this leads to failure. Pretty much every obese person has tried it and failed, and put on more weight, so they validate my point for me.
Peter
P.S.
I just remembered that some of you have made the point that watching these people lose weight has been inspirational for you. Great, but remember that you are not the typical obese American.
The typical obese person, those who I think the show hurts, do not come to forums like this to get help. They just want to try the next crash (fast) diet, then put on more weight when they fail.
BTW, where I live I am always hearing ads for the Hollywood Cookie diet. It shows how ignorant people can be about weight loss to turn to eating cookies to lose weight. Well, at least The Biggest Loser might help some of them in that area with its tips on how to eat.
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Posted: 26 November 2009 02:32 am |
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Peter, I have to comment on your thoughts because I am currently living exactly what you are talking about. I have had to cut back on my workout regimen slightly because it was too much to keep up the level of intensity. I dont want to 'dread' having to workout, and I realize this. The good news is I am making some small changes as I see my faults, such as when I know that my dedication is waning. In this regard of the whole 'life change' and sticking to a routine that you can live with, you have a point...
However; there is one point that the Biggest Loser is making that is undeniable and without question the major reason (in my mind) for why it is so successful and why it is working for people at home. That is the show is taking an otherwise seemingly insurmountable task of losing large amount of weight and showing you before and after differences in a short period of time. It is the short period of time that is the big seller here. If you have to count calories and workout like a fiend for 2 years to get to your goal, chances are you are going to determine that it is simply not worth it. However, if you can see it being proven time an again that you could reach your goal in 4 months, that is the ultimate motivation, and the difference between believing and doing just that. Getting your mindset to simply start is 90% of losing weight. The Biggest Loser shows results and lives being changed in relatively a short amount of time. That is enough to get people to START. Starting is the most difficult part.
I sometimes can't even believe when they are showing before and afters of some of the people after losing massive weight and they look like completely different people. Then they say something like "can you believe that was you only 11 weeks ago"? ...11 weeks!!! Are you kidding me? That is such a short period of time! To think that you could start something that could have similar results after only 11 weeks. Who wouldn't give up 11 weeks of their life for those results. In that regard the Biggest Losers' help for people is immeasurable and exactly what America needs to see.
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Peter
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Posted: 26 November 2009 04:58 am |
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tourproven,
I agree with everything you say and how it can help people. My point is that I think a relatively small number of people would actually be able to stick to it. Still, for those who do, it's great.
The problem, as I see it, is that the program encourages everyone to try to lose weight fast and I think that for the majority -- that's what I'm concerned about -- it will just set them further back when they fail.
Just my thoughts!
BTW, the starting of the program tonight, with the doctor narrating, was very inspirational indeed! (He phoned me once and we had a long talk.)
Keep up the good work!
Peter
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tourproven
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Posted: 26 November 2009 08:58 am |
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| About the doctors...I think the show will one day have a death on their hands. They will eventually have someone who tried too hard, was a little too old, and too much out of shape, and their heart will simply give out. The doctors' comments about being sleepless during season one was obviously related to worry about the contestants well-being. I think since they have made it through many seasons now with no 'casualties' they have a false sense of being in the clear. So far, they have only really dealt with a few cases of exhaustion and a few stress fractures but I think something major will eventually happen. Perhaps next season? I just wonder that if and when it does, will that mean the end of the show? Last edited on 26 November 2009 09:00 am by tourproven
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Peter
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Posted: 26 November 2009 04:06 pm |
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tourproven wrote: I just wonder that if and when it does, will that mean the end of the show?
It will be for the contestant who dies.
Peter
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tourproven
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Posted: 26 November 2009 06:33 pm |
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Do you think they would exhume the body for the final weigh-in at the finale to possibly give the $250k to the immediate family members?
sorry, bad joke...
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Scoobees
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Posted: 26 November 2009 06:44 pm |
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Peter wrote: BTW, the starting of the program tonight, with the doctor narrating, was very inspirational indeed! (He phoned me once and we had a long talk.)
That's so cool Peter! He sounds like such a nice guy, too. I checked out one of his books (where did all the fat go?) and was astounded that he recommends something like 2 hours of exercise almost daily...yikes. I took it back. I love to exercise, but rarely exceed 1 1/2 hrs...sometimes less.
Anyway, last night's 'Where Are They Now' show was pretty good. Not at all surprised that most contestants had gained a bit after their final weigh-in weights. I'm sure those extreme workouts at the ranch are impossible to keep up with in the real world. That's the only part of the show I have a big problem with. Who has an extra 4-8 hrs to exercise a day?
I couldn't believe how many people I had totally forgotten about over the seasons, too. I did think it was cool that the father & son team Ron and Mike had rubbed off on other son Max - and he's down 100 pounds or so now. Sad to see Matt & Suzy are still going up and down the scale. Up at the present time. Tara still looks awesome. Jaron was almost unrecognizeable as he entered his triathalon! And poor Erik. Gained it back. I will never forget how incredible his transformation was at the finale. He looked fantastic! Hopefully Bob got him back on the road again.
Also, it was cool to see how many former contestants are 'paying it forward' and how many are now trainers, too.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 27 November 2009 07:15 pm |
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Found this NY Times article about The Biggest Loser over at Sparkpeople. Nothing that we don't already know, but focuses a bit on the 'dark' side of the show.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/25/business/media/25loser.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2
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Peter
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Posted: 27 November 2009 07:58 pm |
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Thanks, great article!
Peter
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tourproven
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Posted: 2 December 2009 11:17 pm |
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| Wow, that Danny really kicked some butt at home. That weight drop in 60 days is unheard of. He must have had a lot of support.
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AshIdiot
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Posted: 2 December 2009 11:28 pm |
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This definitely made me sit up and take notice. I used to focus on Rudy being the frontrunner but Danny shocked me. That man is a machine and he's looking so much younger. They all are. Even with the extra skin! And the marathon, everyone really pushed through and did well even when they thought they would be horrible or possibly quit. Makes me really want a treadmill for Christmas 
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