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FitMominCO
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Posted: 29 January 2007 08:20 pm |
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Which of these "diets" have YOU tried?
Atkins
Jenny Craig
Dr. Phil
Weight Watchers
Zone
All of the above?
Me too
The only things I lost were:
$$$ On the books
$$$ On the programs
A few pounds...which, after I went off the diet...came back, with "friends!"
Why?
Because on every diet out there, you're restricted. You can't have You can't have  You can't even think of having  !!!
The minute you do, you feel like a failure and end up feeling and looking like a  again!
So how can a person lose 65 pounds+ in a year and still enjoy all those foods? By trying a Diet-Free approach. By eating anything they want...IN MODERATION...and with a sensible exercise regimen.
I know...'cause I did it  And in about 6-7 pounds from now, I will reach my goal.
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 30 January 2007 04:53 am |
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Bingo!
clar
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FitMominCO
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Posted: 30 January 2007 05:06 am |
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| Yeah! I know...the biggest no-brainer ever, right?!?!?
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Peter
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Posted: 2 February 2007 03:44 am |
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Some people simply can't eat anything they want, just as an alcoholic can't have a little to drink. We are all very different, and different things work for different people.
As far as not going on a diet goes, exactly. That's what I've spent seven years saying by creating this website and writing the tutorial.
The tag line on the home page reads:
How many more diets do you want to go on?
And throughout my website I repeat:
The only solution to long term weight loss is learning to eat well and exercise.
Yep! Another diet will likely get you another rebound. It's a change in lifestyle that's the answer!
Peter
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jillybean720
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Posted: 2 February 2007 09:16 pm |
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Peter wrote: Some people simply can't eat anything they want, just as an alcoholic can't have a little to drink. We are all very different, and different things work for different people.
Thank you for saying that, Peter. I sometimes get annoyed or frustrated when people tell me to eat certain things in moderation because for me (a binge and compulsive eater), moderation with some things just is not an option (but I do not typically respond in frustration only because I know it DOES work and is an option for some people). And it's not just a matter of will power or self control--it delves much deeper than that.
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 2 February 2007 09:19 pm |
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
clar
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Peter
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Posted: 2 February 2007 09:28 pm |
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"Bingo!"
Offensive? I thought you were just agreeing!?!
Peter
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 2 February 2007 09:31 pm |
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I thought I was too, but I do know that the same plan won't work for everyone, so i just don't want anyone to think I'm saying it is the only way and their feelings be hurt....
clar
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FitMominCO
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Posted: 2 February 2007 10:32 pm |
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jillybean720 wrote: it's not just a matter of will power or self control--it delves much deeper than that.
It's true that in some, rare cases, a shortage of leptin is responsible for binge/over eating.
However, what people binge on never seems to be looked at! When was the last time we heard of people binging on apples, or fat-fat free popcorn?
IMHO: Self-control isn't just about how much any one person eats, but what they eat.
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Nir
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Posted: 2 February 2007 11:53 pm |
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I cannot be trusted with bananas in my home.
Also, a while back one of the local salsa clubs had party nights with fruit-only buffets (not just bananas - an array of fruit). I'd like to assure you that it is possible to binge on fruit. I'm not saying that the majority of binge-eaters are affected - merely that I am an example that just because something is healthy it doesn't mean it can't be binge food.
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Peter
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Posted: 2 February 2007 11:59 pm |
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My monkeys cannot be trusted with bananas in my home.
Peter
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Nir
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Posted: 3 February 2007 12:16 am |
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| The truth comes out, I'm just one of Peter's monkeys
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fruitloop
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Posted: 3 February 2007 01:29 am |
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I used to over-eat apples and whole wheat bread, a loaf of bread a day.
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jillybean720
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Posted: 5 February 2007 09:01 pm |
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I apologize--I did not mean to imply that I was offended by anything in this thread (clarinetgurl ); rather, I get offended when I explain my personal situation, and the only responses I get are along the lines of, "just eat less," or, "just gain some will power/self control."
And FitMominCO, I don't like to "blame" chemicals in my body for my choices (e.g., leptin)--those may affect whether or not I feel "full," but they sure don't cause me to eat regardless of whether or not I feel hungry in the first place. When I mentioned that it goes deeper than just will power/self control, I was more or less referring to people's emotional issues with food. If you don't face those personal emotional issues that have caused you to overeat/binge, then no amount of coaching will ever allow you to eat in moderation.
Also, whatever mental ties happen to be in my head do not allow me to eat many foods in moderation. There are foods that I absolutely CANNOT keep in my house, or I will eat them ALL. Most are junk food, so I don't want them in my house anyway, but others include plain nuts and pineapple chunks, both of which are perfectly healthy but are VERY easy for me to binge on. Being a compulsive eater, I've often found myself in a situation where I will have 1 serving of a food and then put it away (like a good girl  ). But then, whatever it is I'm doing afterward, all I can think about is that the rest of that food is still there. I don't think anyone who's never experienced it can really understand it, but it's this mental preoccupation that is in the back of my mind no matter what I try to do to convince myself not to eat it or keep myself busy. Eventually, I will end up having eaten ALL of that food, whether by going back for just a little bit at a time or by gorging myself on the remaining amount all at once. Most times, I don't even realize what I've done until it's all gone, and I'm left with an empty container. Sometimes, I even think while I'm eating it, "This is bad for me--I shouldn't be eating this!" but it doesn't help. Once that particular food is gone, then I'm fine and can concentrate on other things.
Anyway, I guess all of that might not make sense to everyone (or some will still be compelled to tell me to just gain some self control). I cannot control myself with food, especially some foods in particular. I know this, and so I NEED to follow a diet plan with guidelines. I'm by no means saying a "diet" has to be a crash diet or one so strict or complex that it is not maintainable, but I've tried the "eat-anything-but-in-moderation" approach, and I failed miserably. I'll be counting calories for the rest of my life, both to lose the weight and then to maintain the loss. I need at least that much structure.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 13 February 2007 02:19 am |
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| IF one overate fruits instead of ice cream and chips, would he still gain fat?
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Nir
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Posted: 13 February 2007 07:28 am |
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Of course.
For example, if I were to eat 10 bananas right now, let's say that was 1000 calories. My body cannot possibly need that many calories all at once. My blood guclose levels will rise, insulin will be secreted and the glucose that is excess to my immediate requirements will be shunted away from the bloodstream. Some of it may be stored in the muscles and liver for glycogen, but if my glycogen stores are 'full' then any further excess will be converted to fat.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 13 February 2007 12:05 pm |
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Nir wrote: Of course.
For example, if I were to eat 10 bananas right now, let's say that was 1000 calories. My body cannot possibly need that many calories all at once. My blood guclose levels will rise, insulin will be secreted and the glucose that is excess to my immediate requirements will be shunted away from the bloodstream. Some of it may be stored in the muscles and liver for glycogen, but if my glycogen stores are 'full' then any further excess will be converted to fat.
Ah, I see, but doesnt the fiber in the fruit slow down the absorbtion of the calories in the fruit?
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Nir
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Posted: 14 February 2007 04:11 pm |
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It will slow the release of glucose into the blood stream, relatively speaking. However, I expect digestion to still be within the 2.5 hour timeframe, and for 1000 calories to still be more than my body to have immediate need for.
Just because it is fruit (or a vegetable, or legumes, or whole-grain) does not mean that it is a time-release capsule that I can eat at 8am in the morning if I need the energy at 3pm. That's why we're supposed to break our eating into meals - not eat all our food at once.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 15 February 2007 01:58 am |
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| Ah, now I understand a little better, thanks for clearing that up!!!
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Frankie
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Posted: 6 April 2007 03:37 pm |
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Many of my binges are on food that would otherwise be healthy, except for the fact that I ate waaaay too much of it at one sitting. I agree with Jillybean; I don't think leptin is the problem. And similarly, often when I buy food that I "really" want that somehow seems forbidden (example is dried fruit, which I love), it "burns a hole in my pocket" so to speak, and one way or another, I eat it all too fast. If I manage to eat a reasonable amount of it, it's a temporary victory,
The times I've lost weight successfully have been when things in my life were going well and I accepted myself the way I was and stopped focusing on how hateful my fat was and what a failure I was for not losing weight. But it's difficult to engineer such a situation.
Frankie
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