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iwunderu
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Posted: 27 May 2006 02:38 am |
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I researched this and while I agree that America is overweight, this Dr makes me sound obese according to his optimal weight. I'm 5'3' and my goal is between 120-123. I only have about 6 lbs to reach that. His formula states that I should weigh 107lbs. I would be like Nicole Richie if I lost to that weight and that is too skinny. With the obsession with Hollywood women, I don't think this book should really be promoted.
Besides that, this is not a plan that most people could follow for the rest of their life. I already eat lots of those things that are unlimited. I feel I'm very conscience of what I put in my body. That book made me feel like I wasn't. I also don't like the fact that you aren't supposed to snack. My normal diet consists of this:
2 cups of coffe in the am, oatmeal or wheat toast or whole grain cold cereal around 8am, around 10am some type of fruit, noon a lean cuisine or similiar meal and a piece of fruit, 4:30pm a smart snack choice like whole grain crackers then workout and 6pm a whole bag of salad mix with onions, chickpeas and a homemade red wine vinegar/olive oil dressing and a skinny cow ice cream sandwich.
Just my 2 cents.
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Nir
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Posted: 23 June 2006 03:02 am |
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Question: The Six-week Plan has UNLIMITED, LIMITED and OFF-LIMITS sections.
The LIMITED section mentions: "not more than one serving 250g per day: cooked starchy vegetables or whole grains (butternut or acorn squash, corn, potatoes, rice, cooked carrots, sweet potatoes, breads, cereals)"
Additional notes say "On some days you may choose to have 250 grams of oatmeal or other whole grain for your breakfast..."
I make 100g of oats to be 360 kcal; 100g of cooked carrots to be 24 kcal. So 250g of these foods are 900 kcal and 60 kcal; That's a difference of 840 calories. It could easily be the difference between gaining weight and losing weight. Have I made a mistake or misunderstood something? It seems very petty of him to only allow me 60 calories of cooked carrots, but to offer me 900 calories of oats instead. Are the oats available in the US substantially different from those I have available here in the UK (which are 360 kcal per 100g)?
Perhaps he's allowing me to eat 250 _calories_ of starchy vegetables or whole grains?
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wm
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Posted: 23 June 2006 05:17 am |
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The USDA SR 18 lists cooked carrots at 35 kcal and cooked oats at 63 kcal for 100 g (88 kcal and 158 kcal for 250 g). Sounds like the value you used for oats might be for 250 g uncooked, which USDA lists at 960 kcal. Yes, I believe you are allowed one or the other--starchy vegetable or grain--not both.
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Nir
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Posted: 23 June 2006 09:16 pm |
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Cheers, that was most useful  I have now gone and also found the same USDA figures:
Cereals, oats, regular and quick and instant, unenriched, cooked with water, without salt: 63 kcal per 100g
Cereals, oats, regular and quick and instant, not fortified, dry: 384 kcal per 100g
I don't actually know how to cook oats, but I certainly enjoy them - I sprinkle on them just enough boiling water (and sweetner and perhaps coffee or cocoa) so they can become a very stiff cookie dough. If I put too much water, they become too soft for my liking. I didn't like poridge as a kid and I'm not sure I want to "go there". Using the above figures, allowing myself 250g of cooked oatmeal is like allowing myself about 41g of dry oats (or even 44g, if I use a particular brand that is labelled as 360 kcal per 100g).
The figure of 63kcal sits more comfortably next to those of potato, sweet potato etc. I would still argue that there is a wide discrepency between bread (surely in the 200-250 kcal/100g range, whichever reference you use) and cooked carrots (or turnip, or swede - and even when using the slightly inflated vegetable figures that the USDA insists on supplying). I make that a factor of 6:
250g cooked carrots at 35: 87.5 kcal
250g bread at (say) 210: 525 kcal
Where is the logic in allowing me to pick one or the other, with such a big difference between them?
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wm
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Posted: 26 June 2006 09:53 pm |
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Nir wrote:I don't actually know how to cook oats, but I certainly enjoy them - I sprinkle on them just enough boiling water (and sweetner and perhaps coffee or cocoa) so they can become a very stiff cookie dough. If I put too much water, they become too soft for my liking. I didn't like poridge as a kid and I'm not sure I want to "go there". Using the above figures, allowing myself 250g of cooked oatmeal is like allowing myself about 41g of dry oats (or even 44g, if I use a particular brand that is labelled as 360 kcal per 100g)."
The figure of 63kcal sits more comfortably next to those of potato, sweet potato etc. I would still argue that there is a wide discrepency between bread (surely in the 200-250 kcal/100g range, whichever reference you use) and cooked carrots (or turnip, or swede - and even when using the slightly inflated vegetable figures that the USDA insists on supplying). I make that a factor of 6:
250g cooked carrots at 35: 87.5 kcal
250g bread at (say) 210: 525 kcal
Where is the logic in allowing me to pick one or the other, with such a big difference between them?
I like my oats on the chewy side (not gooey), but with quite a bit of water to accommodate the tablespoon of flax meal I add after cooking. I put the dry oats in a bowl, cover with water, and nuke them for about 2 minutes. Be sure to cover the bowl with a saucer during cooking, as the oats tend to erupt all over the place!
As for your question about carrots vs bread, 88 kcal of cooked carrots represents about 1 cup, while 525 kcal of bread represents, by my estimation, between 8 and 10 slices. So I don't think I would take the 250 g quantity as gospel--at least not for bread.
Remember, neither cooked starchy vegetables nor grains are recommended during the six-week plan. Better to observe the ETL philosophy of consuming a maximum amount of greens, beans and fruit, and not counting calories!
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CapeCoddess
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Posted: 27 June 2006 10:26 pm |
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I'm not doing the 6 week plan but went straight for the life plan, in part due to needing daily oats to lower blood pressure.
I'm been blending my oats with flaxmeal into an oat flour and then sprinkling them onto my huge morning bowl of fruit. Wait a bit and everything thickens. Yum!
2 days of ETL so far and I'm down 2 lbs. And I can tell by my clothes that my body is shrinking due to losing water bloat.
And I LOVE eating all these fruits and beans...foods I use to have to restrict when dieting by calorie count.
CC
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zenobia
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Posted: 1 September 2006 08:25 am |
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so i picked up the book today!
i just have a question- if i switch over to this plan, after counting cals for so long and being at about 1350-1450 per day, will i actually gain weight?i don't eat much for processed foods, not a whole lot of meat either. i know i should cut out the protien bars, but they are my way of getting a chocolate fix... i have cut them down a lot lately though, and would like to cut them out completely. i am just concerned, as i am coming down to the wire for my vacation and i really can't afford to put on any wieght in the next few weeks...
thanks guys.
zen
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Nir
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Posted: 1 September 2006 12:59 pm |
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He recommends reading the entire book before starting the diet
In the description of the 6-week-plan you'll discover that you can eat unlimited aounts of non-starchy vegetables, fruits and pulses (there are minimums but no maximums). So depending on how literally you take unlimited, and just how many pieces of fruit and beans you eat, you could certainly rack up an extra 500 or 1000 calories a day and gain. On the other hand, if you stay sensible-ish, you should find that the unlimited vegetables combined with fruit/pulses at generous but not unlimited levels will not see you eating more than 1500-2000, so you'll be fine.
Personally I wouldn't find it comfortable unless I could answer, to the nearest 100 calories, how many calories I've had from fruit and how many calories I've had from pulses. If I can't answer a question this vague, I must be binging, which is not good.
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Beth
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Posted: 7 March 2008 02:22 pm |
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| I see that no one has posted here since '06. I'm pretty new to the forum and I plan to look for the ETL book today. I have been calorie counting and I've noticed I can have tons of green food and fruit vs protein. I will be reading the book. Maybe we can resurect this part of the Forum.
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Mountain Mike
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Posted: 8 March 2008 12:18 am |
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| I'm folloiwng a modified Eat to Live diet, and it's great! I understand Dr. Fuhrman has a new 2-book set coming out next month. I'll probably pick that up as well.
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Beth
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Posted: 8 March 2008 12:23 am |
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| Thanks, MM. I can't find the book in Jackson. Had planned to order it from Amazon. Maybe I need to wait for the new release?
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Nir
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Posted: 8 March 2008 12:57 am |
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| Have you checked that your public library does not have the book?
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Hisgal
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Posted: 3 April 2008 09:44 pm |
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When I first started hearing about "Eat to Live" on this forum, I went to our local public library first, and they didn't have it. Neither did they have "The China Study".
I ordered them from Amazon.com.
Does your library "across the pond" have them, Nir?
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Nir
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Posted: 3 April 2008 10:37 pm |
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I haven't checked The China Study, but I as for Eat To Live, I am (still) using the library copy. No, no-one has requested it.
Rather sadly, the customised-for-the-UK version of the has gone out of print.
Mum wanted a copy of the book for her recent birthday and this ended up being a computer-screen version of the USA version of the book (got it for $8.92, which charged as £4.42 on my credit card)
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50lbs2lose
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Posted: 21 September 2009 03:43 am |
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well am resurecting this post because I need all the encouragement I need because I'm going to be very faithful to this woe.
This was my first day and besides a little feta cheese on my evening salad I did well. I'm going to bed n a semi empty stomach- last salad was at 6:00 pm.
I will keep this going and report on my weight as I go.
This morning weighed 174.4 but it was after a heavy carb cakey Saturday. So I think a lot of water was present.
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dramadog
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Posted: 15 August 2011 07:30 pm |
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Is anyone on this forum still here? I've just found this book/info & would like some input & help.
Someone mentioned posting recipes for this here, but I cannot find them. Please post a link.
Thanks!!
DramaDog 
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Nir
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Posted: 15 August 2011 10:28 pm |
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| most of the recent posts have gone here http://caloriesperhour.com/forums/forum38/12145.html
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Roselinda
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Posted: 9 December 2011 08:10 am |
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I am new to this forum and glad to be a part of this wonderful discussion. I am facing the problem of extra fat in my body and before joining this forum i thought there is no solution because i tried many tricks to resolve my fatty problem... But today only because of this forum here i found a new hope, a new resolution. The diet plans given here is very easy to follow and nutritious.
Again thank you all for this amazing healthy discussion.
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mariasemuel
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Posted: 28 December 2011 06:31 am |
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| Thanks for sharing it
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happygirl
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Posted: 9 January 2012 01:52 am |
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Today was the end of my first week. I weighed in this morning and I had to step on and off of the scale and then put glasses on because I just couldn't believe my weight loss. I lost 8 pounds! Of course I know that a percentage of it is water, but this is 8 pounds off of my very small frame. I'm 4'11" and started at 143. I weighed myself this morning at a crisp 135.
I have committed myself to the weightloss plan. It's actually the 6 week with the exception of natural low cal dressing on my salads. I always measure the dressing and don't go over. I traded my coffee and creamer and snacking for a much healthier life style. I still get a little tired but it's not bad at all. Generally, I feel so much better both physically and mentally. Thanks Dr. Fuhrman
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