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wannabeless
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Posted: 5 October 2005 05:20 am |
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I bought the book Eat to Live and have been reading it. I get the impression that it is for vegetarians. I am not a vegetarian but could think about converting. My question is, can you be a vegetarian and not have to eat tofu or drink soymilk? I could probably give up meat and even eggs, but I do not want to eat tofu or drink soymilk.
I would be happy to hear (read) anything that anyone has to say about this diet. I am gathering information. I am not sure that I want to totally give up meat, but I am wondering how others who follow this diet are doing. I am interested to hear your views on this diet. I have not finished reading the book but what I've read so far seems to make sense.:)
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 5 October 2005 06:05 am |
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ETL gives you the option to eat meat, so it is not a vegetarian diet unless you choose it to be. I eat meat a few times a week in moderate amounts.
It's interesting to look at what many vegetarians do. They don't want to eat meat, but they eat all these products that simulate meat. Tofu is often used in the place of meat, and soymilk in the place of milk. You can buy fake hamburgers, chicken, ribs, even hot dogs!
I don't find the need for any of that. I eat tofu once in awhile in Asian dishes, but I've have never had soymilk.
The idea is to eat highly nutritious, low calorie foods. The diet plan allows you to choose them, and you can pretty much eat all you want and become slim and healthy!
http://www.caloriesperhour.com/faqs_ETL.html
Peter
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Krystin
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Posted: 11 October 2005 02:42 am |
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| There is no need to eat anything soy on ETL or any vegetarian diet. I happen to like it because the fake chicken nuggets taste good and my family will eat them with me, but you can get your protien from so many sources. All fruits and veggies have protien in them, nuts are great, and so are beans. And like Peter said, you can eat meat and cheese, just not a 12 oz strip steak 5 nights a week. The suggestion is to fill up on fruits and veggies and other plant based foods because they are high in nutrients. Like a large salad with a few sprinkles of a flavorful cheese (like sharp cheddar vs. mild cheddar) and 1-2 oz of low fat trukey breast slices on top.
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wannabeless
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Posted: 11 October 2005 03:33 am |
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Hi Krystin,
Thanks for your info. That has really helped. I am still reading the book and I really like the info I see there. I am presently following another diet, but ETL is looking better and better to me each day as I continue to read the book. I wonder if with this diet you still need to drink 8-10 glasses of water each day? Do you only eat 3 meals a day, or can you snack on veggies between meals if you are hungry? Just wondering...
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Krystin
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Posted: 11 October 2005 04:40 am |
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| Water is really good for you so I try and drink alot. Plus it keeps me full. But, on ETL you are consuming so many fruits and veggies (that are mostly water) you really only need 4-6 glasses (I think the book said even as low as 3 a day is sufficient, but you should double check). Dr. Fuhrman says that for faster weightloss its best to eat 3 meals per day. From what I remember he said that for people having a hard time keeping thier blood sugar stable and for those with serious munchies 1 snack between each meal is ok.
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wannabeless
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Posted: 15 October 2005 06:42 pm |
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I am starting ETL today. I have not quite decided about not eating meat but I like the concept of this diet. I have a history of cancer, heart and stroke problems and diabetes in my family along with high blood pressure.
I have been looking at a lot of recipe books for vegetarians, almost vegetarians, and vegans. Can anyone suggest a favorite? Any advice or tips that anyone could give me would be much appreciated.
Yesterday I went to the market and bought black beans and pinto beans but I am not really sure how to cook them. Some have suggested soaking them in water overnight and others have said to soak them for an hour. Any suggestions?
I am fairly clueless when it comes to this...I bought a veggie soup mix that contains lentils, beans, barley, peas etc. On the package it says to rinse and pick over the mix. What exactly am I looking for? Bad beans? How do I know if they're bad. Or am I just looking for something else?
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collegestudent
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Posted: 15 October 2005 07:29 pm |
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| Yeah, you are looking for bad beans or things that don't belong in the mix (little pieces of stems etc). Bad beans are usually darker than the rest. My favorite place for recipes is vegweb.com - there are so many and they are peer reviewed. As far as an actually cookbook I like "the garden of vegan". I like inventing recipes myself, so of course I use any recipe I find as a guideline. For now, vegweb.com will have more than enough recipes.
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Krystin
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Posted: 15 October 2005 09:43 pm |
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Deborah Madison's "Vegetarian Cooking For Everyone" is great because it explains the how to's of vegtarian cooking. It has great recipes, too. I've gotten 7 or so cook books from the library and this is my favorite. The Moosewood Collective also has several really good books, although I've found that most of the dishes in the low fat book are pretty flavorless. Then again, that could just be me.
As far as cooking beans goes, its up to you to decide if you want to soak 1 hr or 12 hrs. Everywhere you look you'll find someone saying one way is better than another. I decide based on how much time I have.
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wannabeless
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Posted: 17 October 2005 06:40 pm |
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Thank you both so much. I really appreciate your help collegestudent and krystin! On the weekend I made a bean soup and a black bean chili with pineapple. My husband really liked the bean soup. I had some salad which I added sunflower seeds and raisins to. It was really yummy.:)
I am thinking it would probably be a good idea to take some kind of vitamins. I am worried about calcium and B12. Any suggestions, or is this even necessary?
Last edited on 17 October 2005 06:40 pm by wannabeless
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collegestudent
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Posted: 17 October 2005 11:41 pm |
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| I take a multivitamin every day, just to be sure that I'm getting everything I need. But, I also took a multivitamin everyday before I started ETL. I feel that ETL is less lacking in nutrients than the typical american diet. I'd at least take b12 if you are going to strictly follow no meat.
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 18 October 2005 12:18 am |
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I've taken a multi-vitamin/mineral supplement forever. Insurance:
http://www.caloriesperhour.com/faqs_vitamins.html
collegestudent writes that ETL is less lacking in vitamins than the American diet. True, and even moreso than many other diets.
Many people diet simply by reducing calorie intake with no thought of health. They can end up more vitamin deficient than when they ate everything they could get their hands on. (And believe me, I once did!)
Peter
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wannabeless
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Posted: 20 October 2005 10:51 pm |
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| Thanks so much for the info everyone! I have been looking at recipes for different ideas. I can't wait to get home so I can try a few. I find that I am not missing the meat at all and it's been almost a week. That really surprised me. I thought that I would be really craving it. After the first phase of ETL I may add some meat back in in moderation.
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wannabeless
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Posted: 23 October 2005 07:57 pm |
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Yesterday I purchased some multi vitamins and started taking them. I don't know if I would want to not eat meat for the rest of my life (I love salmon, shrimp, scallops and fish and chips!), but I am certainly enjoying this lifestyle diet way more than I thought I would.
Yesterday I purchased some more soup mixes from the farmers market and I have a pea and barley mix in the slow cooker right now. It looks and smells great and is so easy to prepare. I am not following the strict aggressive weight loss of ETL right to the letter but fairly close. I have lost 5 lbs. this week so I am very happy. My goal is to be healthier (and lose weight) and I am going to try to stay away from meat for at least the six week period as suggested in the ETL book.
I also bought beets at the market yesterday, but never liked them as a kid so have never eaten them since or cooked them. I am going to look for a recipe, I love roasted veggies so was wondering about roasting them with onions, potatoes, carrots, parsnips, etc. Any favorite recipes out there? :)
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Krystin
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Posted: 1 November 2005 11:33 pm |
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| I have no idea how to cook beets, but I'll bet vegweb.com has more than a few. Congrats on the 5 #'s!
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fsahurie
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Posted: 7 December 2005 01:13 am |
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Krystin wrote: All fruits and veggies have protien in them
Since when does an orange have protein?Please inform me of how many grams of protein it has please?
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 7 December 2005 02:07 am |
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Just use the food calculator... link below.
A medium size orange has just over a gram of protein.
Peter
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fsahurie
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Posted: 8 December 2005 04:59 pm |
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Peter wrote: Just use the food calculator... link below.
A medium size orange has just over a gram of protein.
Peter
Yes, some fruits have some protein but in trace amounts.
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Krystin
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Posted: 8 December 2005 08:12 pm |
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| The point was that by eating a variety of plant based foods you can still get an adequate intake of protien every day.
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nevd
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Posted: 8 December 2005 09:49 pm |
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Depends on what you call 'adequate', Krystin.
I've been vegetarian for over 20 years - and while I've stayed healthy enough, I also remained overweight. No matter how hard I exercised. :(
I experimented with my food ratios until I hit on 20% or above for protein, 20% or below for fat. That worked for me (and for many others I've worked with since).
But it's a struggle for a veggie to get that 20% or above daily. I just can't do it without protein supplements.
Since there are so many great products nowadays (some of which even taste nice) I'm not crying into my milk about it...
But I'd have to eat my own weight in tofu and cottage cheese if I tried it without the whey powder!
Just my 2 cents worth (that's about 1 UK penny, I think...)
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fsahurie
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Posted: 17 December 2005 03:15 am |
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Krystin wrote: The point was that by eating a variety of plant based foods you can still get an adequate intake of protien every day. Yes, an adequate amount only if you eat like 2000 fruits and vegetables a day , but not even close to the America recommended daily amount of protein.Thats why this diet lacks in some macronutrients, as in protein and micronutrients as in iron(only found in red meat) and more importantly, calcium.You might do this diet or "lifestly change" as Joel says, but what he does not state is that you will eventually get brittle bones and nails and develop osteoperosis!Last edited on 17 December 2005 03:17 am by fsahurie
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Krystin
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Posted: 17 December 2005 09:05 pm |
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| You would only get brittle bones if your body excreted more calcium than it absorbed. Milk is high in calcium, but it also is highly acidic. Our body uses calcium to neutralize acid, and it uses more than the actual amount in the milk itself. The additional calcium has to come from somewhere and the part of the body with the most calcium is our bones. So by drinking milk you could be contributing to osteoperosis.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 17 December 2005 11:42 pm |
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Krystin wrote: So by drinking milk you could be contributing to osteoperosis. Now Ive heard everything!
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nevd
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Posted: 18 December 2005 03:21 pm |
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Interestingly (well, to me anyway) I recently read some research that seemed to confirm that stuff about milk (dairy products) and osteoporosis.
It seems that, in those countries where the population has highest peak bone density mass (and highest dairy intake) the incidence of brittle bones and bone fractures is also high. Which suggests that high bone density in early life can lead to later osteoporosis problems.
It's thought that the effect of increased bone activity required for absorption of calcium deposits actually kills off the osteoblasts (for which read 'bone-bots') that do that work.
Another study linked osteoporosis to high protein intake, but didn't specify what constituted 'high'. It also made the point that the protein at fault was of animal origin (ie meat).
So, a high meat, high dairy diet would appear to be the best way to ensure that your bones are like sawdust in later life!
Food for thought - if not for eating!
Yours in fear and trepidation,
NevD
PS Virtually all studies agree that much of the effects of ageing-induced bone density loss can be reversed by whole-body resistance training (ie using weights).
Phew! I'll stop worrying then...
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Hoosier
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Posted: 3 March 2006 04:08 am |
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Hello, I am new to this website. I like the calculators. My mother was always nutrition conscious, and I have taken nutrition classes in college. I always thought that vegan required combining the right groups of veggies together to get adequate complete protein. Example = soy with corn.
It is too late to go to the library today....hoping they have this book.
My questions????????? Is this a diet that many stick to over a long period of time? Are they feeding their families this way? Since there are not recent posts to this link, I am wondering if everybody lost interest.
Presently, I am trying to eat 1400cal or less per day, eating something about every 2 1/2 hours to 3 hours. By using the calculators on this site, the RMR seemed to agree that was appropriate for me. Plus I try to exercise.
Thanks, Hoosier
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Krystin
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Posted: 3 March 2006 06:01 am |
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The diet isn't one that i could follow for the rest of my life, at least I couldn't follow it to the T. However, the book has a great deal of information about nutrition and just by implementing a few of the ideas discussed you will be doing great things for your body.
Vegans do have to be careful about combing certain foods to ensure they are getting enough of the right parts of protien, but recent research has shown that a person does not need to eat the foods together. In fact, a person can eat the foods within 3 days of each other and get the right protien components. Also, a person does not need to worry about adding up the number of protien grams from each food source or even write down each food source so long as they are consistently choosing a wide variety of foods.
good luck on your journey! ~Krystin
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Peter
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Posted: 3 March 2006 10:11 am |
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Hoosier, there are quite a few people posting in these forums that are on the diet or reading the book. I don't follow the diet strictly, but it's how I describe what I eat.
The book will have a tremendously positive effect on your eating habits whether or not you choose to follow the diet plan.
Be sure to read the FAQ:
http://www.caloriesperhour.com/faqs_ETL.html
Peter
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Nir
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Posted: 22 June 2006 12:34 am |
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In chapter 6, Dr Fhurman gives nutrient-density scores (out of 100) to various foods. Fresh fruits score 45; Raw nuts and seeds score 20; Refined flour scores 2; Refined sweets score 0.
What about dried fruit such as sultanas and dates? (they'll still have their fibre and some minerals, but presumably score lower?).
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giraffe4life
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Posted: 17 July 2006 09:22 pm |
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Back in June, Nir wrote: "What about dried fruit such as sultanas and dates? (they'll still have their fibre and some minerals, but presumably score lower?)."
In my reading of ETL, I understood that dried fruits are not recommended. Having read that, I was somewhat confused when several of the recipes use dried fruit. I am guessing that the intention is to used the dried fruit as condiment, rather than a staple. Regarding fibre, figs are relatively high in fibre and I can't imagine that would change much when dried.
BTW, I started ETL diet yesterday, and so far so good. I had slipped back to my old habits and gained back 6 of the 11 lbs I had lost... It just goes to show how quickly it can pack back on. So, with renewed focus, I am working at this again, and this time with more clarity. Although I don't intend to remain on ETL for the rest of my life, because it is fairly close to the way I prefer to eat, if I can get to my target weight of 125 (from 165) by sometime later this year, I will probably be able to maintain.
I will keep you posted.
PS Dr. F's recipe for Scrambled Tofu is ghastly! I added some salsa to make it palatable, but it was still pretty yucky!
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Ondria Hunt
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Posted: 31 July 2006 03:27 am |
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regarding cooking beans..you can also buy them canned and are ready to eat. Pintos, black beans, lentils. They are very good and many varieties.Happy shopping!
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