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Nir
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Posted: 8 May 2007 03:36 pm |
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I was reading clarinetgurl's announcement that she's going to stop obessing about calories and conforming to other people's prescriptions of healthy eating. I can relate in a number of ways. My response is really about me so I decided to put it in my diary instead.
Back at the end of May 2006 I was counting grams of protein and fat, following David Brown's advice to increase fat content. I was doing it all on paper and it was proving to be a real headache. In fact I was walking in a daze, like a hallucination! Something in me just gave and suddenly I didn't care anymore. I bought a big bag of large cookies and I was out of control for a few days. I didn't record anything.
For me it is about keeping the administration to a minimum. Yesterday I found myself slightly resenting the calculations that go into assembling that sin-box that I put at the end of every daily post. (It can take over 10 minutes - why am I making myself do it?) Maybe at some point I'll omit it.
I guess the biggest strain is knowing that I'm always wrong. I'm either doing badly as far as ETL is concerned, or as far as BFFM is concerned, or both. The truth is that it is difficult to bridge the gap. BFFM calls for complete proteins from animal sources to be consumed every 3 hours. ETL wants me to minimise animal products and eat no more than 3 times a day. I can never win!
There are also the OCD concerns. Is this how I want to live my life, long term? Is there ever going to be time in my life for other things, given the effort that goes into nutrition? I guess one hope is that something will come up to gently displace eating and make it less important!
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Jon Miller
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Posted: 8 May 2007 04:23 pm |
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Yeah, having health and fitness being a component of my life is something I want, but I don't want it to dominate it. If you feel like you are spending too much time on it for it to be a long term hobby, maybe you could change careers and go into health/nutrition/fitness?
Jon Miller
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Nir
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Posted: 8 May 2007 08:55 pm |
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Not a bad idea in theory
but in practice, fitness positions are somewhat entry level. I did spent 5 months training to be a group fitness instructor (certified this January) and I'd love to do that, but there's more supply than demand so I don't know if I'll ever get the chance (it would be nice if it ever happens). Mind you, the principle reason why I signed up for the course was that knowledge is power. I still go and participate in the gym studio classes, but I have a bit more of an "inside track" about which muscles are involved, why and how to stretch, what is the correct way to do exercise to avoid injury etc.
At the moment I'm unemployed, so I guess anything I do, any hobby I'm into, expands into a full time occupation.
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the magic of action
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Posted: 8 May 2007 10:37 pm |
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When you say your biggest strain is knowing that you’re always wrong, I found my spinal column cringing. If you believe you’re always doing the wrong thing for yourself, the belief in and of itself is probably enough to cause the reality over time. Maybe you should pick the approach you like slightly better (right now this minute—gut reaction) and temporarily give up the other approach(es)?
Do you like eating animal protein? It can be pricey especially if you choose the organic varieties. How about an even mix of the protein forms you like best and a looser hand with yourself overall?
If you're taking votes, I vote you do away with your sin box. If you need to “burn your bridges” after a difficult eat-a-thon, then just say “I sinned today” and give the binge(s) purge(s) a rating from 1-10 and maybe give one word that best describes how it made you feel or what you were thinking about while or just before you began the binge (and if you also purge, then maybe the one word that best describes how you felt after the purge.) That process should only take 30seconds and accomplish about the same thing with less personal guilt and punishment. How will you ever feel good about yourself if you're encouraging the guilty, self-punishing thoughts?
“I guess one hope is that something will come up to gently displace eating and make it less important!”
—What would you like that thing to be that gently enters your life—are you looking for a relationship, a hobby, a different career, more education, different friends, a new home, or something else...? (forgive me, I haven't taken a moment to learn how to include quotes like you all do in posts  )
How would it feel to you or look to you to be doing that something different with a small portion of your day each day? What hours can you give to investigating that idea tomorrow? Would you rather try something out it in the morning, afternoon, evening, or during the late night hours?
I hope you find something to try tomorrow that doesn’t involve ten minutes of calorie tabulations. It would be a relief to you to let that “something” begin coming into your life tomorrow if you're ready for it.
I enjoy reading your posts. I'm on a mini-vacation this week, so I'm taking a few hours to catch up a bit on the other personalities on the board. Next week it's back to the daily routine for me Nice to meet 'ya!
Have a relaxing day...
~Magic
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Nir
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Posted: 9 May 2007 12:41 am |
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Hi Magic and thanks for writing in my diary. [and also thanks for your very thoughtful post yesterday in the eating disorders section.] You are right, I should make time to positively welcome those other things that might displace the current status quo. I shall let this thought hover over me  . I guess I shall give thanks for small mercies: It is a bit over 2.5 months since my last binge, and I'm not one of those 'purge' people. I guess if I had to "pick a side", BFFM is currently 'winning' a little over ETL.
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Nir
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Posted: 9 May 2007 06:37 pm |
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Tuesday
My 60 min Body Pump class finishes at 10.30am, yet I was at the gym until almost 2pm. Spent part of this time eating, relaxing at the Sauna and reading CPH online. What I wanted to achieve (yet not quite managed to) was to go through my strength-training program (which was set up for me in early February) and figure out what the exercises actually involved (i.e. which machines, which movements etc.). I have never gone through with this program - not even once. What is a ball crunch, for instance - is my lower back on the ball, or just my feet? etc. I guess I'll resume this project another day.
Made contact with mum shortly before 2pm. She mentioned a plan to go to Bletchley (to order a part for her car) - I mentioned I wanted to pick up my Exercise To Music portfolio from over there (news: I passed all components, including First Aid so I now know that I'm a fully qualified instructor) so we agreed to go together. At LIDL I picked up some dry-roasted peanuts and chewing gum. At ASDA got some wafer cornets. We had complimentary hot drinks at IKEA. Mum got 'burnt' by buying a salad at IKEA - she didn't realise prices went up (from 0.95 up to 1.75 - that's an 84% price hike!. Other prices also increased. I don't think we're ever getting salad there, then. Was home after 4pm. Called my brother (some diet talk). Decided to forefit the Circuits class I normally take.
After spending a few hours reading, eating and relaxing, deided to emerge for the gym. Took a 45 min Kettlebell class (only 2nd time ever). Both the device and class are interesting beasts, shall we say.
I guess the reason I'm forever torn between BFFM and ETL is that I believe that BFFM makes perfect sense for results, and I do have fitness goals I am working towards achieving - as efficiently as I can. Yet I also want to maximise my long-term health too and I believe that it'll be in my interest to follow the guidance in ETL. Short and medium term results and long term health. Actually sometimes I commit 'sins' which are against both programs: for example, (1) candy (2) refined flour and (3) full-fat hard cheese are discouraged by both programs. So I guess my desires sometimes overrule, too. I guess I'm not done with my daily figures, which are my way of being accountable.
Nuts: peanut(477) =477 (20.7%)
Animals: skimmed-milk-powder(287) beef-medalian(50) IKEA:herring(39) =376 (16.3%)
Rubbish: wafers(37) bourbon-cream-cookie(33) sf-jello(25) =95 (4.1%)
Totals: 2300 calories, 103.5g protein. 471 is 20.5%
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Frankie
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Posted: 9 May 2007 08:18 pm |
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Nir,
I have been puzzling over how you could combine BFFM and ETL for weeks. Yes, BFFM and ETL both sound healthy and good...but they are almost at opposite ends of the spectrum. I doubt that either Tom Venuto or Dr. Fuhrman would look at your daily intake and say "Oh, he's following my plan!" But it doesn't matter, really, whether you're following someone else's plan, as long as you're happy with what your doing and with your results.
It sounds as though you are at a crossroads right now, which means, an opportunity to find what will make you happy, both with your life. I hope you will spend some time trying to discover what it is that you really want to do. Maybe you can make the OCD tendencies work in your favor. In an interview, it's called thoroughness, or attention to detail -- it's a good thing!
As for the sin-box, I have to confess that after a few days of them, I stopped reading. It is a little tough to figure out what you actually ate when it's all lumped together. I'm not suggesting that you reorganize things for my convenience, but to me, the easiest way to understand what someone ate is something like: 7:00 am, bowl of oatmeal with cinnamon, etc., with totals at the end if desired. Anyway, I'd also vote to get rid of them, because they seem like a lot of work and I'm not sure what good they do for you. I'm not surprised that you resent doing them. A general summary might do the trick just as well, if you felt you had to.
Someone who looks like an anatomy chart shouldn't feel that they are always wrong, right?
Anyway, just wanted to chime in that we are all rooting for you.
Frankie
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OWF
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Posted: 10 May 2007 12:04 am |
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Hmmm.....I have no advice on the dreaded "sin" box-but now I know what that box with totals is. I never quite understood your totals cause that box never added up to your totals so I figured there were other foods unincluded anyway. Is it doing you any good Nir? If not, get rid of it. It does seem time consuming. But if it works for you, no use changing it.
Anyway....HOW do you look like an anatomy chart? And what does an anatomy chart look like anyway? If you are talking about that man with all the ribs sticking out and bloodlines showing it cant be good can it?? So, you mean, you can see veins and lots of bones and muscles popping out???? Yikes. Is it scary??? It sounds like you are happy with your look from your last post so you can't LITERALLY mean you look like that chart with all the atreries can you???? You must mean you look like Matthew McConnaghey (sp) who does NOT by ANY means look like an anatomy chart!  In that case, WOW!!! (although he doesnt wear deodorant so he may smell like an old one!)
By the way, Congrats on passing all exams!!!WOOHOOO!!!
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Nir
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Posted: 10 May 2007 12:13 am |
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Frankie wrote:
Someone who looks like an anatomy chart shouldn't feel that they are always wrong, right?
good point!
(OWF, I see some bones but mostly I see muscles. I see more muscles whilst I'm working out - that's why I like catching myself in the mirror when I'm doing Body Pump. I have to hold myself in if I want to see ribs or a 6-pack though. I'm guesing that as I reach my body fat% target, I won't have to do much "holding things in" to see said 6-pack)
(and yes, my 'sin box' mostly has the food I consider to be rubbish (junk food) and also in a separate section, other food that some might consider acceptable but which identifies how not-a-vegan I am being. The percentages then say how much of my total calories are things that the ETL plan wouldn't recommend. ETL has a "90% rule" where as along as you eat 90% right, you can have anything you like with the other 10%. Except often my 10% becomes 20, 30 or 40% )
Besides, my sin-box mentions the more interesting food choices. I'm sure no-one wants to know how much cauliflower or butternut-squash I'm eating. It is a diary of shame 
The 'Nir' plan:
BFFM compliance
I do eat frequently.
I eat the amount of protein recommended for a strength athlete (1.8g/kg)
I eat protein at every feeding - balancing high-protein and low-protein foods at every feeding.
I maintain a small calorie deficit.
I zig-zag my calories.
I eat fairly clean.
I do cardio almost daily.
I typically strength-train at least 4 times a week.
I keep track of calories.
I monitor my results.
I re-read my goals at least once a week.
but sometimes a large % of my protein is incomplete.
ETL compliance
I eat very large amounts of vegetables and fruit
I eat sufficient healthy fats
I aim for variety whilst working within my budget
but I don't restrict calories very much
and I don't restrict eating to 3 meals a day
and I don't always keep low-nutrition-density options to 10% of calories
and I eat more animal proteins than recomended
Perhaps I'm scared to force the issue of what will make me happy, how to further progress my life. At least at present.
I may tweak the format of my 'sin box' to keep the effort to a minimum, but I think I'll keep it for now as it is part of my accountability to myself. On reflection it is quite a small price to pay if it means that I'm not binge-eating.
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Nir
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Posted: 10 May 2007 10:26 am |
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Wednesday
Cycled to numeracy course. Actually learnt something (angles within a circle - some trigonometry I don't think I was previously aware of). Counselling involved more dodging of issues and/or exploring this. Counsellor vocalised a theory that maybe the reason I'm not doing the OA steps is maybe because I feel it is against my nature - insight I need to consider some. Home from outings by 2pm and a bit exhausted. Caught up with moneysavingexpert.com. Napped at 4pm but Nash woke me up with a phone call (annoying as he had nothing to say). Considered skipping the gym but forced myself to go and as always was glad that I did (60 min Body Combat). Fairly early night.
Nuts: peanuts369 =369 17.6%
Animals: skimmed-milk-powder107 chicken-liver52 =159 7.6%
Rubbish: numeracy-course:2-cadbury-highlight-orange-chocolate-drinks80 sf-jello50 =130 6.2%
Totals: 2100, 103.6g protein. 289 is 13.8%
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the magic of action
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Posted: 10 May 2007 08:37 pm |
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Congratulations on your more positive sense of mental clarity!! Your compliance and habits with the systems you prefer seems very healthy and personalized to your own preferences. (I think I got my font right this time--sorry about my big text on the last post HA!!)
It seems you've nearly successfully combined the theories into BFFMETL. If you vary the amount of animal protein or add supplemental amino acids when your proteins are incomplete, you will achieve a further blending. If you then take one or two days each week to further reduce your caloric intake by a small margin it may be less of an effort than doing so overall if you need more of a deficit. But your system seems very successful for you, isn't it?
I agree you shouldn't force any issues of what your other goals may be. I personally don't believe foce is pertinant to my life anymore--I'm learning how to allow things into my life through active choices and action--and learning to notice how I feel and the sensations I get when I'm doing certain things or around certain people. The process has been liberating for me.
But if other goals or drives aren't apparent to you, is it possible you are living/experiencing your current goals right now? What do you think you might be trying to learn or how are you satisfying yourself from your present activities? My gut reaction is that you are beginning to take on the calling of being a healer for others--you do SO many things for others through your efforts on this site... You mentioned career the other day--You could start a home-based life coaching service (phone and email based) for those busy executives seeking to attain the physical power and health they are used to having in their executive lives. You could still do personal training and coaching on the side slowly as you build a client base. (congrats on passing your exams, by the way!)
A friend of mine is a nlp life coach for other purposes and charges $150-$200/hour. He has a steady business and does well.
Thanks for commenting on my over-the-top post the other day--that topic has always been very emotional for me. Part of me just wants to scoop them up and help them anyway I can. Reading that section of this site is why I joined in the first place--just to somehow try to show them recovery is possible. Too bad I put too much in one post and caused overwhelm--I'm learning.  But as a writer, it's really hard for me to get that particular point.
Anyway, just thought I'd stop by. I know you will innately choose the best route for yourself. You are an intriguing and intelligent personality, and I am certainly wishing you well from way over here.
I find myself strangely just sitting here not wanting to do anything today. I may watch a movie and enjoy the restful sensations. I'll go look for summer activities for my kids after a movie. Have a great day! ~M
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Nir
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Posted: 10 May 2007 11:10 pm |
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Hi Magic, thanks for writing.
On the technical front, when you say 'add supplemental amino acids' do you mean purhcase food supplements, or learn the mechanics of protein-combining? As to the latter, I find it a complexity-turn-off that not only do you have to pick specific foods (e.g. whole-grain, to complement vegetables), the quantity of the other food needs to be calculated so that A grams of incomplete protein from source B are matched with X grams of incomplete protein from source Y. This will surely throw off my careful macronutrient-ratio-balancing (I'm already using a spreadsheet to solve those simultanous equations throughout the day.
I like that concept, of letting life happen and observing how you feel about it. (and being assertive at times: today this involved 1. refusing to see a friend because he wanted to see me in his favourite pub rather than my flat 2. deciding to quite the gym after 2 classes and not stay for the 3rd. 3. calling a friend and telling them that if they're too busy to speak to me now when it is convenient for me, I may not talk to them later when it isn't).
To an extent that is a fair assesment, my life has got things that please me. Earlier today I spoke to my brother who asked something along the lines of "how do you find things to do?" evidently he has more time than he knows what to do with. Over here the situation is reversed - I have plenty of things on the 'to do' queue.
ps you've reminded me that I was supposed to make contact with someone regarding NLP (if and when I rediscover their contact details)
(just to clarify, although I am now a qualified fitness instructor, I don't actually do any such.)
I like your job/business idea. Mostly because it involves working from home. At the same time my immediate response to it is that it seems inappropriate for me to help fix someone else's life unless mine is "in order". I guess I can be useful so long as it is my area of expertise. i.e. I could show someone how to lose weight (or how to program computers).
Er, that's it for now. Enjoy the rest of your time off.
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Nir
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Posted: 11 May 2007 02:54 am |
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Thursday
AM: 60 min Body Pump and then went through my 3-day split program, identifying the exercises on it (with some assistance from a 'fitness consultant' manning the gym area). Got more tomatos and pears at the market on the way home. Call from dentist to remind me of tomorrow's appointment but had to call back to postpone appointment as I can't get a lift tomorrow.
Worth commenting that it is a real effort to drag myself to the gym. I'm being quite lazy and feeling very 'comfotable' with the idea of staying home. Yet once I get there it is always a different story - and as I know myself I force myself to go. I had quite a bit to eat just before my PM workout (500g tomatos (frozen) and 20g milk powder (same as 200ml milk) whipped into a mousse in food processor with 5 artificial sweetners). It took cycling to the gym and gradually stepping through my warm-up before I 'got over' the extreme feeling of fullness and bloat! 30 min Body Step, 60 min Body Jam.
At some point I'm going to pause my 2300/2100/1700/1900 cycle and go for a few consecutive days at 2300, but I'm not sure when. 'surviving' a 1700 calorie day these days feels like a major achievement - I've been spoilt.
exrx.net is top of my reading list but hardly got any reading done today. Instead I played my self-hypnosis CD again.
Nuts: peanuts41 =41 2.4%
Animals: skimmed-milk-powder164 chicken-liver50 beef-medalian50 whey-powder-banana-flavour32 Sainsbury-sample:pastrami24 =320 18.8%
Rubbish: Sainsbury-sample:cheese31 sf-jello25 wafers18 =74 4.4%
Totals: 1700, 103.6g protein. 394 is 23.2%
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Chocoholic
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Posted: 11 May 2007 10:22 pm |
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Interesting discussion you've been having with Magic. I think that, as the ultimate problem is an unhealthy obsession with eating, eventually the goal must be to see food for what it is--fuel, nothing more. I don't think it's possible to get to that point straight from binge eating, though. For me at least, I have to first harness all the energy of the food fixation and focus it on eating healthily, and then, when I am more physically and emotionally stable, start working on gradually displacing food with other interests. You seem to be at the second stage, eating well for the most part, and so it might be a good idea to start thinking about other bit. If you don't want to force the issue though, then by all means don't.
Nir wrote: For me it is about keeping the administration to a minimum.
I have to admit I was a bit surprised when I read that.  You've always done such meticulous calculations of so many different aspects of nutrition that I always assumed that on some level you enjoyed it, or at least used it as a food-related activity that isn't eating (as I often do with calculations and this forum )!
If you really don't like it, though, could you try pre-calculating some set "meals" which you could then prepare without having to calculate them out each time? What I do (which also helps me with the reducing-the-importance-of-food-in-my-life goal) is to have a few combinations of foods whose calorie values and other information I know, which I sort of mix and match (or I did until the cafeteria narrowed my choices for me, but anyway... ) So instead of "What do I want for dinner?" followed by twenty minutes calculating the calorie content of the various options, it became "Do I want meal x or meal y?" If I was really craving something different I could certainly calculate it out and have it, but I found myself more and more just not being bothered to do that. The monotony of it was almost helpful, because I knew that I was going to get something that I liked and that was permissible, and I didn't have to worry about going over calorie limits, etc. So I ended up spending less time thinking about food, which is the real goal anyway. 
I know you eat a staggering variety of foods and therefore do much better than the rest of us in terms of actual nutrition, but if you really don't enjoy all of the calculations, it might be easier to pick out a few favourite combinations to fall back on when you don't want to spend time calculating. Sort of the same principle as your 25-calorie portions. Just a thought.
As for the business, if you don't want to do it that's one thing, but don't avoid it on the basis that your life isn't perfect. Anyone who does think that his life is completely "in order" has no business working with those who don't!!!
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Nir
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Posted: 12 May 2007 12:15 am |
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hi Chocoholic (yes I know I'm only responding to some of it...)
About whether I enjoy calculation and analysis - I do when it is a novel one-off thing, but I tend not to enjoy more 'routine' aspects.
I've definitely walked past samples and decided I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of weighing them, coming up with estimates etc. so I've left them. Clearly I wasn't hungry enough or intrigued enough.
I moved on from the 25-calorie portions because I thought I was being 'cheated' out of calories when I was always rounding. This wouldn't have mattered if I was eating like some people (e.g. TrimB only seems to eat 7 different things each day - my current typical day involves serving myself around 40 different things. I wasn't happy with a potential error of 5 calories x 40 (=200), so I now round to the nearest calorie instead.
Actually BFFM has some meal templates and spreadsheets and the suggestion is to work it out once and then go for the same meal repeatedly to avoid the need to calculate. Currently a turn-off for me.
Mind you I can imagine perhaps being somewhat more creative in the kitchen, adding a dash of this and a pinch of that if I wasn't recording everything. Don't get me wrong - I never count spices so I'm never held back that way. I do howver count cocoa powder (for example) and condiments (like mustard) so I'm sure they would have featured a bit more if I didn't have a rule about counting them. It is all about how much I want something, though - if I want it enough, I'll make the effort to count it.
As much as not having to worry about food would mean thinking less about food, the other side of the coin is that counting food makes me eat slower, and that is a welcome (and intended!) side-effect.
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Nir
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Posted: 12 May 2007 10:44 am |
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Friday
A wet  day. Changed to my waterproof jacket before cycling to OA and had to hang up my soaked jeans to dry afterwards, but it would take worse weather to keep me away from OA. There were 6 of us - a slightly larger meeting than last time. One person didn't share - later I discovered this was because they started following the program (steps) and one approach is to not share during this period. I asked if I could borrow the book 'Abstinence'. I've already learnt that there is a distinction between 'abstinence' and 'food plan' which most (including me) don't always make. Also, at some point in OA's existence it was more perscriptive of food plans than it is today. In conversation I tried to establish which Step it is that I would have difficulty following. It was Step 9. Then it was Step 5. Then it was Step 3 (step 3 is about giving over my will to God - doing what God wants rather than what I want). My share was about not being ready to do the program. I was the first to arrive and staff were clearing up from a previous function - I helped myself to some left-over food and quickly put it in my coat pocket before anyone noticed - a piece of breaded chicken (well it might have been fish, I'll never know for sure as when I got it home and reheated in the microwave it became somewhat crispy and it was difficult to establish what it tasted like).
Maybe my share should have been about how I am a person of secrets and 'relative truth'. I am not a bad person but I don't think I can be unconditionally open and completely honest with the world, the way the OA programme calls for.
A few weeks ago I got 4 pints of milk at 15p each (reduced from 32p ?) and when I was done with those I opened a large container of skimmed milk powder I had in my cupboard (equivalent to 6 more pints). I finished the container today though so I predict less dairy in my immediate future. I tried food processing frozen pears with SPI (Soy Protein Isolate) and results are not promising - you can taste the, erm, flour-like taste of the SPI through the sweetness of the pears. I think I had better keep the SPI for things it can be well-disguised in, such as my version of NevD's oat-chocolate-bars (which I have not made in quite a while).
exrx.net continues to be an intriguing website, but this week I'll have to balance it with the book I borrowed, as I have to return the book!
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Fab Abs Killer Butt, 45 min Body Step, [PM] 45 min cycling to OA. 2.5 hours.
Nuts: peanuts428 =428 22.5%
Animals: skimmed-milk-powder131 chicken-liver50 whey-powder-banana-flavour22 =203 (10.7%)
Rubbish: sf-jello50 pre-OA-scavange:breaded-chicken30 wafers19 Waitrose-sample:multirgrain-bread17 =116 (6.1%)
Totals: 1900, 101.7g protein. 319 is 16.8%
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the magic of action
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Posted: 13 May 2007 06:59 am |
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Sorry it took me a couple days to respond to your question--yes, I was talking about supplemental amino acids instead of the irritating food combining. I have a few powders that have a complete set which I sometimes add a bit of to my lunches when I'm not eating "complete" proteins. Its certainly a no-brainer approach with minimal calories and no additional sugar that offers my body the ability to grab whatever protein it needs at the moment.
As to NLP, if you have questions, I can get you those answers from convenient sources or provide them to you myself, since that knowledge is part of my career. I'm not sure if this forum is the best place for that--just email me and I'll answer that separately if you can't find the contact info you had.
I'm trying to clean the most unspeakable mess created by children--so I'm off to take care of that before I have to wake up to it in the morning. Have a great weekend
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Nir
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Posted: 13 May 2007 10:25 am |
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Thanks Magic.
Regarding protein-supplementation, I believe (and I sure hope I'm right on this) that Soy is a complete vegetable protein, and today I used some TVP for my protein-balancing. The other objective for TVP consumption is ensuring I eat it before it expires - everything has a date on it these days!
Saturday
10am is when Body Combat ends and Body Pump begins. Last week there was a scramble for equipment - 37 people managed to participate but several more people were turned away, some of them annoyed because they had gone to the trouble of booking their class, forefeited their Saturday-morning-lay-in and ended up turning up for nothing. The teacher (Angela) has a policy of not reading the booking register, suggesting that it would take too long. This morning the class co-ordinator appeared at the door, armed with a clipboard, to ensure only those who booked were admitted. The number of bars has been reduced from 37 down to 30 (there are officially only 30 spaces for this class) so I was wondering what would happen. As it happens I don't think the co-ordinator's presence was essential today as fewer people turned up (probably still annoyed about last week). I wonder how the next few Saturday mornings will go - given that the class co-ordinator's presence is unlikely to be a regular feature. Incidentally this is never an issue for me because I always book classes (you can book them up to 10 days in advance and I visit the booking website every 3-4 days) and crucially I always do the 9.15am Body Combat class and reserve my Body Pump equipment [bar, clips, 6 x 5kg plates, 2 x 2.5kg plates, 2 x 1.25kg plates, +dumbells] on the side upon arrival.
When leaving the gym I noticed a note  attached to my bicycle: "PLEASE DO NOT USE THE LAMP POST TO CHAIN YOU'RE BIKE UP NEXT TIME PLEASE USE THE BIKE RACK! THANK YOU, XSCAPE SECURITY". Bother, my spot is much more convenient than the cycle rack and I don't see why they should mind, but I guess bad things will happen to me if I keep chaining the bike to that same spot.
Called my brother. I like it that like me he sees dieting as a maths problem - without prompting from me he has entered nutritional info for all the foods he has purchased into a spreadsheet. I assisted with creating a calculated column for %-of-calories-from-protein which will be more helpful to him than just contrasting the relatively meaningless grams-of-protein-per-100g column. [in other news, mum has finally today managed to replace dad's car and my brother will eventually get dad's car old wreck, and he has previously said that once he gets a car he'll consider joining a gym]
Nash (he of unreliable scales at home) came over and weighed on my 3 digital scales, all making him still overweight (BMI just over 25). An improvement on the approximately BMI 26 that he was beforehand. We walked around town, he bought a belt for £5, I got 200g of cashew nuts for £1. We picked a few samples (I got apricot-muesli and lancashire-cheese). I didn't have my scales with me so I patiently waited with the samples till I got home. The tiny sample of Muesli (48 calories) worked out about 4 times more than the cheese (13 calories), but I consider Muesli to be healthy. Makes my point about the need to weigh calorie-dense foods - it was such a tiny container! This Muesli did not seem to have Oats as the 'base' ingredient, so I am intrigued.
Produce bargains at the market (with mum's assistance) pears tomatos leeks chinese-leaf-lettuce iceberg-lettuce cherry-tomatos mange-tout broccoli spring-greens, total spent: £6.73
Food notes: lower dependence on animal products achieved in AM with 144 calories from TVP (textured vegetable protein = soya mince) and in the PM by eating the newly-acquired protein-rich vegetables as above (e.g. broccoli). The result is that I'm meeting the "90% rule" for today. Macronutrient ratios: protein is fixed (18% on a 2300 calorie day) but increased calories from Cashew nuts (about 36% of total calories) means my carbs probably stand at a low 46% today. (note for pedants: cashew isn't a 100%-fat food, but then most of my non-nut foods are not 0%-fat either.)
Tomorrow should be a 2100 day on my 2300,2100,1700,1900 cycle, but I'm thinking about having a short re-feed period (3 to 7 days at 2300), haven't made a final decision yet.
Exercise: [AM] 45 min Body Combat, 60 min Body Pump. 1.75 hours.
Nuts: cashew-nuts811 cocoa-powder17 =828 36.0%
Animals: chicken-liver50 =50 2.2%
Rubbish: sf-jello75 wafer-flat45 Waitrose-sample:lancashire-cheese13 wafer-cone11 =144 6.3%
Totals: 2300, 103.5g protein. 194 is 8.4%
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Nir
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Posted: 13 May 2007 02:52 pm |
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Calorie intake figures in March, April and May
In March I was progressively increasing calorie intake figures. I changed up from 2200 to 2300 and remained on 2300 for 6 days.
On March 26th I suddenly decided to diet. In my diary I noted "This has been brought about by fear that I just can't bring myself to do useful hypertrophy workouts at the moment". The scheme was (1600 x 3, 2300) and I did 2 cycles.
On April 2nd I took a 4-day re-feed. It isn't entirely clear why. There are two clues: I was finding 1600-calorie days difficult to cope with, and the 2nd 2300-calorie-day (the one that would have been 1600) featured a 'mixed grill' pub meal which wouldn't have otherwise fitted in.
On April 6th, with a colonoscopy looming, I went back to the (1600 x 3, 2300) cycles - did another 3 of them.
From April 15th I was on the modified cycles (1900, 2300, 2100, 1700), have done approximately 7 of those cycles.
Yesterday (May 12th) was a 2300 calorie day, and today may be another if I am in a re-feed period. I guess I need to give a reason to the "future me" reading back through the logs. Er, I'm fed up with the hassle of eating fewer calories and not seeing results, so I might as well have a re-feed before continuing!
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Posted: 14 May 2007 10:22 am |
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Nir,
About clarinetgurl's obsession with calories, about your sin box (which always makes me smile, as does the title of your diary), I have found that what is best to do to help myself changes with the times. And it doesn't make what we did or needed to do in the past a mistake.
I wrote my best thoughts on this subject in the tutorial topic The Need to Count Calories.
Now, on a lighter subject, it just caught my eye that you have posted 2007 times! A timely number!
I'd better get to posting more or you will pass me up! (Click on the Members button, then on the column heading Posts.)
Thanks for all your contributions and for the help you have given so many forum members.
Peter
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Nir
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Posted: 14 May 2007 02:11 pm |
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Peter,
Even though I write down my food choices as I eat them, they are often so instantly forgetable - so taking the time to review them for the purpose of assembling the statistics seems to give me additional insight.
For a long time there was no-way of catching up to you and NevD in terms of Posts. Now I see that NevD is trailing behind myself and fellow-moderator clarinetgurl. Continuing with the numbers theme, my diary is getting close to 40,000 views, with OWF catching up to me. [What is her secret - is it the fact that her diary has had three different titles during its lifetime?]
Sunday
The weather was miserable but I made Body Jam. The instructor, Shey, has been videoing the class for the 3rd week in a row. She's been making some silly mistakes (that she wouldn't have made if the camera wasn't on her) in the last couple of weeks. Perhaps in a bid to get over this, she had us dance a bunch of older tracks. This is where it gets interesting for me: Between the end of 2004 and the beginning of 2007 lie the 2 years where I've been to various gyms all of whom did not have a Body Jam license, so there's a big gap of choreography knowledge for me. So instructor is more confident but it is all new to me. (Before the class she came over to learn my name.) Currently cutest amongst my instructors :)
Got wet again on the way home. Did a fair amount of cooking and eating between 2pm and 5pm (volume, weight, preparation time and calories). In fact it seemed I was doing nothing but eating. However did not compensate for eating relatively little in the AM slot. The central heating is only turned on in my building for 6 months - evidently they've just turned it off. So no heating and cold outside makes it colder-than-usual. I was wrapping up warmer than usual indoors and seriously considered staying in - but eventually forced myself to leave.
Left at 5pm, tried to warm up a little in the Sauna before my PM workouts, then post-workout Sauna, a shower, s small meal of cashew nuts at 7.45pm (that's 200g of cashews gone in less than 48 hours) and off to Salsa. This was the Launch Party for the club at its new Sunday venue - moving from Wolverton (4 miles from home) to just across the street from the gym. With student discount factored in, the cost is £4.50 (maybe $9). To put this into perspective, I spend £10 a week on the gym, but I go every day. I think I spend that much again on food as well (sometimes more, sometimes less). By any meaningfull comparison, money spent on Salsa is extravagant. Yet I think it was worth it. By 8pm I joined the Beginner's class to make up numbers, at 8.30pm I did the Intermediate class (no-way would I have survived the Advanced level after a 3-month absence) and from 9.30 till just after midnight there was plenty of freestyle. I didn't dance to every song but I danced a lot. It was busy and I got hurt at one point when a girl's heal went right through my Right foot (I wear dance shoes made of cloth). You may find it amusing that the guy leading the gurl whose heal injured me was none other than Nash. I'm still hurting now. For the purpose of the exercise log I shall say I was active for 2.5 hours, though I was on my feet for all of those 4 hours. Without a doubt, dancing is part of my life and circumstantial bleeps like missing it consistently for 3 months don't make it any less so!
Got home at half past midnight and realised that I was 'in trouble' as far as calories and protein were concerned. Here is an abbreviation of my protein and calorie status at different times of the day:
by 8.25am: 66/9.4p
by 11.50am: 368/16.5p
by 3.30pm: 594/27.5p
by 5pm: 1109/50.6p
by 7.45pm: 1329/57.7p
At this point I was 45.8g short on protein, and my plan of eating 2300 calories was at best unrealistic. It is a bit pointless to eat more than 30g of protein at once, so I decided to have two meals: one immediately and another one at whatever later point I'll wake up in the middle of the night. I also decided to shoot for a 1700-calorie-day (rationale: 2300 and 1700 average 2000, so I'm doing a 2-day (2300,1700) cycle and back onto high days from tomorrow) and to do this and still have room for some peanuts decided to opt for lean animal protein, which ended up being chicken livers. So further totals were:
by 1am: 1509/87.8p
by 2.40am: 1700/103.2p
At around 1am said night to Nash (we were reviewing the Salsa night whilst I was eating). I was unable to go online which helped with not staying up any later. Later on it turned out that this was not due to a network problem, but a lose connection on the back of the laptop.
Exercise: [noon] 60 min Body Jam, [PM] 45 min Body Step, 45 min Body Pump, 2.5 hours Salsa. 5 hours.
Nuts: cashew397 peanuts169 =566 33.3%
Animals: chicken-liver200 =200 11.8%
Rubbish: sf-jello25 wafer-cone24 wafer-flat17 =66 3.9%
Totals: 1700, 103.2g protein. 266 is 15.6%
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Posted: 15 May 2007 12:40 am |
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I know that I rarely read people's diaries who are much newer than I.
Also, Nir, I think that you are at the stage where muscle building is what you should do. With this is bulking... which is eating quite a bit more than is needed. Afterwards, you cut again, so that overall you are healthier and in better shape.
While I am not near as thin as you, I am thinking about bulking a bit myself (my doctor just looks at total weight, so I might try to drop down to 160, which is looking a lot easier than I thought it would). One thing is that our bodies want to remain a similar shape to what they have been, when losing fat it is best if something else is there to maintain our body's form... muscle.
Jon Miller
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Posted: 15 May 2007 12:45 am |
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Also, I cheat, as I refresh mine to look at what exercise I have done, or to look at my weight, or to look at what I have eaten recently.
Of course, it still doesn't have that good a post/view ratio.
Jon Miller
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Nir
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Posted: 15 May 2007 01:03 am |
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Jon, I was torn for a while about whether I should be cutting or bulking. I then found this useful article by Lyle McDonald: bodyrecomposition.com/Miscarticles/bodyfat.html
I've always believed that 10% is a good goal for me, so that's still where I'm hoping to end up before my next deliberate bulk. Given the length of time I've been lifting and the strength I have, I've probably already had all the "beginner's luck" (gain muscle whilst simultanously losing fat) that I'm due. [I'm doing a fair amount of reading around the subject whilst I'm waiting, though ]
Having said that, glancing at your Body Pump weights, you might well still have some of those gains to make yourself, so keep it up!
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Posted: 15 May 2007 01:15 am |
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Hi Nir,
I realized I hadn't read your diary in quite a while, and decided to check in. Imagine my surpirse on finding my name
I hate that you always feel like you are wrong...esecially since you seem to be doing so amazing to me!!
I hope you can figure out what it is you really want.
As far as numbers...lol, I can never hope to have as many posts as you!! And regarding OWF's diary, I will always be jealous, because we started our diaries on the same but she has several more pages worht of posts than I do.
Thanks so much for all the calculations you have helped me make, and all the advice you have given me! I want to make sure that you know I am not giving upo andthrowing everything i have learned out the window...just trying a different tack.
Okay, I told myself half an hour ago that I was going to go sit outside and enjoy the beautiful day...so now I think I'll actually go do that.
clar
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Posted: 15 May 2007 01:16 am |
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Well, I really want more muscle, but I see that my idea of dieting gaining after dropping to 15% just won't cut it. Actually, I am not really sure where I am, as I don't trust the electric scales (they are all over the place).
Maybe I should do like you suggested long ago and purchase the calipers online. Going based on the body composition number from the gym (Was electric) about a year ago, 160 lbs should be at about 11%. And I have assuredly gained muscle since then.
Jon Miller
(my earlier plan was to start bulking at 170)
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Nir
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Posted: 15 May 2007 01:30 pm |
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I hope you can figure out what it is you really want.
Hope so too, thanks clarinetgurl.
Monday
Allowed myself to skip the AM workouts. At around lunchtime almost got a nap around lunch but Nash called and didn't feel like napping afterwards. At around 5pm decided to have 20 minutes of quiet time before dashing to the gym for a 6pm BOSU class. My body decided it wanted more rest and I woke up at 6.40pm instead - just enough time to make the 7pm class. The great thing about the Body Step class was that my right foot was in less pain after the class!
Meant to spend the day reading the Abstinence book but instead was reading articles from naturalstrength.com/weightroom/ (and contrasting with the slightly different message presented in Chapter 17 of BFFM - more on this in due course).
It ended up being a Vegan day. 9.4g of protein from 66 calories of TVP. 23.1g protein from 549 calories of peanuts. Hence 71.3g of protein from everything else (mostly from the large amounts of fruits and vegetables).
Does look like I've spent a lot of time eating: 9.20-9.50, 12.05-12.25, 12.50, 2.35, 3.25-4.15, 4.45, 9.20, 10.05, 10.40, 11.10-11.25, 0.40, 1.25
Exercise: [PM] 60 min Body Step. 1 hour.
Nuts: peanuts549 cocoa7 =556 24.2%
Animals: =0 0.0%
Rubbish: sf-jello25 wafer-cones24 =49 2.1%
Totals: 2300, 103.8g protein. 49 is 2.1%
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Nir
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Posted: 16 May 2007 02:09 pm |
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Tuesday
My blood test (to see if increasing water consumption has a positive effect on my kidney function) was this morning so I had to skip the AM Body Pump. I usually prefer to do Body Pump in the morning so as not to be tired from other classes, but I'd rather do it in the afternoon than not at all.
Mid morning walked to the market to get more tomatos and pears as I was all out of frozen fruit, also got Galia melon. Post PM workout also got some salads and vegetables (5 things for 60p) from Sainsburys whilst mum bought some things for me at ASDA, notably frozen broccoli, and reduced-price salads and spinach. She's also clearing her freezer so I got some nice chunks of Salmon (which I cooked, portioned in 50-calorie bags and refroze). Mum came over to trade with me around 9.30pm.
It seemed as though I was eating the whole day, and quantities were large. With a few exceptions I was largely out of fruit for the day, and I do seem to be shunning grains at the moment [rationale 1. lower nutrient-density 2. I still have the siege mentality of having to survive on 1700 calories]. Legumes only played a small part (50 calories) so it was largely down to vegetables, nuts and seeds. The reason why nuts and seeds are allowed whilst grains are shunned is that it is my main source of fat. I took particular relish in finishing the Brazil nuts - they're quite expensive yet Nash helps himself when visiting, so problem solved :). The bottom line is that I want to slightly reduce the volume/amount consumed (and certainly the stretches of time 'consumed') on the eating project!
Made the circuits class but was at times concious that I shouldn't push myself too hard for fear of hurling food on the floor(!) Circuits is a class that mixes cardio with resistence - though the weights they chose for us (e.g. 2kg dumbells) meant that the resistence stations were much-welcomed 'rest stations' for me. Afterwards had a chat with a woman who has misgivings about attending Circuits because it isn't cardio enough for her, and "weight training" isn't compatible with her goals. She's quite into Orienteering (which is a competitive Sport - I didn't know that) so she mostly trains on cardio equipment. This is the only class she does. I was trying to come up with convincing reasons why she should be weight-training (after all, everyone should!) but for tact I had to side-step weight-loss/toning. The best I could come up with is that it strengthens bones. I reflected that I'm probably as "allergic" to the Orienteering idea as she is towards strength training. That, and a short online session passed the time to Body Pump, which felt a bit harder than usual. I've recently reduced my bar from 35kg to 30kg for squats so I can have a larger ROM (range of motion) yet it still feels difficult. When leaving the pump class I was almost shocked to be greeted by the girl that teaches salsa on Sundays (she was my Beginners teacher when I started dancing in 2003) evidently she is a member of my gym, I'm so unobservant!
I was a bit too stressed to listen to computer articles in the afternoon so instead I caught up with radio comedies. I'm behind on my sleep, behind on my borrowed book, behind on MoneySavingExpert.com, it feels like I never finish eating (see above) and Wednesday will be somewhat more stressful (numeracy course, counselling, hospital - hematologist, workout - 12 hours almost "non-stop") which of course means packing lots of food in my backpack for all eventualities. Nash actually hung the phone up on me (learning tricks from me) I'm sure he wasn't justified but I'll let it go.
Exercise: [AM] 30 min cycle to blood test, [PM] 45 min Circuits, 60 min Body Pump. 2.25 hours.
Nuts: peanuts623 sunflower-seeds185 brazil-nuts94 =902 39.2%
Animals: salmon12 =12 0.5%
Rubbish: sf-jello75 squirt-cream30 wafer-cone12 wafer-flat8 =125 5.4%
Totals: 2300, 103.5g protein. 137 is 6.0%
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Nir
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Posted: 17 May 2007 05:18 pm |
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Wednesday
Teacher was ill so course was cancelled (I picked up a toffee sweet and made myself a drink first), so cycled to campus to see if I could move forward the counselling session (yes, but only by 25 minutes or so). I caught up with online matters meanwhile. Counselling seemed productive. Mum then picked me up and we went to Maplins and Argos to buy various electrical things that my brother needs (including a digital kitchen scale). She then dropped me off back at college so I could cycle on to my hematologist appointment in hospital. They still have no real idea of why I'm anemic, but they've ruled out Iron for now (so I am to stay off iron tablets for the moment) - I am to periodically come in for monitoring (next appointment in 6 weeks) and the doctor wants to chat with a urologist and a nefrologist about me in the meantime. That was over by 4.40pm. I had quite a large non-eating chunk in the day (9am to 4pm !). At 4pm I started eating (before seeing the doctor) and I stayed in hospital for a bit more time to eat (including peanuts and a a biscuit I've been given over a month ago, by a nurse in the other hospital) before heading off home. Got home at 5.30pm but within an hour headed out again for my workout. Tired and went to bed before 10pm.
For no particularly good rationale I've decided to raise my protein target from 103.5g (which represents 1.8g/kg x 57.5kg) to 114g (which represents 2.0g/kg x 57kg). I cannot justify this. This applies from tomorrow onwards.
Exercise: 60 min cycling to course/counselling/hospital, 60 min Body Combat. 2 hours
Nuts: peanuts802 =802 34.9%
Animal: =0 0.0%
Rubbish: bourbon-cream-biscuits101 Course:chocolate-orange-cadbury-highlight-drink40 Course:toffee-sweet34 sf-jello25 =200 8.7%
Totals: 2300, 104.8g protein. 200 is 8.7%
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Nir
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Posted: 18 May 2007 08:43 pm |
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Thursday
Got up early and got ready and then got cocky about it and only left for Body Pump at 9.20am - so I was late and was assembling my warm-up bar whilst the rest were already shoulder-pressing. However thanks to gym acquaintences either side of me I was furnished with a step, raisers and a mat (so all I had to do was to get further weight plates and dumbells during the next few breaks). On the way back I bagged about 4 kilos of mushrooms for £2 at Sainsbury's (reduced). My favourite mushroom dish: cook in microwave, use steal blade in food processor, add some spice mix and you have a delicous low-calorie high-protein "Mushroom Pate".
With the deadline of returning the borrowed book ('Abstinence') fast approaching I decided to skip the PM workouts, staying home in the hope of making progress. I can't say I've been focused on this the whole day - I was listening to radio 4 comedies and reading stuff on the naturalstrength.com and acsm.org websites too.
Mum was at ASDA and got some frozen stuff (green beans, spinach, peas) and bargains (celery, stew-type vegetable mixes) for me - we traded (I gave her 1.2 kilos of mushrooms).
On Wednesday the hematologist said that my increased water had not affected my urea levels. That coupled with practical considerations during the day meant today for the first time in about 2 weeks I didn't hit my 2-litre water target (but plenty of fluid-containing foods!).
As I'm trying to avoid grains at the moment but sometimes need to eat calorie-dense foods, I've decided that dried fruit like raisins will nicely fit the bill. Nutrient density of refined-grain is 2, whole-grain is 22 and fresh fruit is 45. I am guessing the nutrient density of dried fruit i less than 45 but no lower than 22 (obviously they lose some nutrients like vitamins whilst retaining fibre and minerals in their dried state). Consequently my end-of-day eating rituals have involved more raisins.
Similiar reasoning for legumes vs nuts. Both come under the general high-calorie-density heading, but I keep forgetting that there is still almost an order of magnitude between the quantities (e.g. of 50 calories of red lentils vs 50 calories of peanuts). Nuts still have a place in my plan as that's where I get most of my fat. [and if you really want to get pedantic about it, peanuts are apparently legumes anyway :)]
I was a bit bothered by fsahurie's take on eating disorders. It is very much the 'step 1' struggle, for oneself and against the world, to admit that compulsive over-eating is a disease (that you don't get cured off). His conduct is now reminding me of former forum-member Ball (remember him?)
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Pump. 1 hour.
Nuts: peanuts520 =520 22.6%
Animal: =0 0.0%
Rubbish: sf-jello25 wafer-cone12 wafer-flat9 =46 2.0%
Totals: 2300, 114.0g protein. 46 is 2.0%
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Nir
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Posted: 19 May 2007 09:21 pm |
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Friday
6-monthly dentist check-up appointment: a polish, a small filling in a wisdom tooth and a replacement large filling in the tooth that had the root canal (in 2006?). Apparently if that filling comes out I'll need a crown itslef. I don't even know what a crown is but it sounds bad. I popped into both NETTO and FarmFoods in search of cheap luxuary ice-cream  , like the 500ml tub of mango ice-cream I got for 50p and binged on the last time I was at this dentist (which I guess was during my October bingeing phase). NETTO had no deals, and the only stuff at FarmFoods was of the "2 tubs for £2" and I wasn't planning on spending any more than £1. So I was saved by lack of availability.
Mum dropped me off at the gym. I missed the "Fab Abs Killer Butt" class I normally do (that's just a fashionable name for 'legs bums & tums') but at least I made the step class. I've noticed that when I go through Sainsburys (Which is quite often as it is right next door to the gym) I check out the bargain spots for produce, fresh meat/fish and misc. refrigerated goods (and I look for samples on the Deli counter too) but I no longer go to the bakery and cake sections (for bargains or freebies)  . It helps that it is the other end of the store, but clearly that's never stopped me before.
Nash, who survived the car accident a few weeks ago, wanted me to look up some phone numbers in the car section of the local paper, so I went to the paper's office to pick up a copy. On the way back home (on foot, for a change) there was a small table with drinks and nibbles (all chocolates, cakes, mini-muffins etc.) just outside the Abbey National Bank - promoting their Mortgage sale, I think. I have no interest in the financial product but I did pick up an M&S-brand wrapped tea-cake (biscuit base, marshamallow filling, thin chocolate all-round covering). My estimate is 400 calories per 100g, so at 12g it was under 50 calories. I only picked one item and I waited until I got home to weigh and eat it.
Anything not helping me reach page 158 (the last page) of the 'Abstinence' book was put on hold. This meant lunch waited till 2pm. After a few calls from Nash I stopped picking up the phone (I emailed him to remind him I was busy). I did actually make my target (I think that's when I wrote up Thursday's diary and had a last-minute snack before heading off to OA).
On way to OA stopped over at mum's to put a light-colour-load in her washing machine. Was slightly late to OA, missing the preamble. I actually planned it like that if I'm honest. After two weeks of small OA meetings more people came back so there were 10 of us. At the end of the meeting I claimed my 3-month chip  . That may well be the longest I've ever gone without a binge in my whole life! The 3-month chip is green. The next 'reward' is the 6-month chip. That's 3 months to find out what colour the chip will be. The girl that brings the milk forgot to take it with her when going home so that's 1/2 a pint of milk my way. I like whipping/creaming it with fruit (even tomatos) but I generally can't bring myself to buy animal products unless they're reduced in price.
Called my brother and he recommended The Peep Show ( video.google.com/videosearch?q=peep+show+S04E01 if you want to see what it is like ). I enjoyed it. The concept of watching TV after being largely 'clean' for about 3.5 years is certainly disturbing. Ideally I should just catch up with the available episodes and then go back to radio and text. What especially bothers me is feeling fuzzy and warm inside after watching a familiar program. It feels 'like home' but I don't think this is real. I used to sedate and medicate my life with television. It can be worse than food. [Summary: it is a good show, but I don't like my former TV-addict lifestyle]
Friday was the 5th consecutive day at 2300 calories. I guess I no longer feel deprived, so I guess this short re-feed is over and I'll start another cycle tomorrow [2100, 1700, 1900, 2300].
Exercise: [AM] 45 min Body Step, [PM] 45 min cycle to OA. 1.5 hours.
Nuts: peanuts417 =417 18.1%
Animals: semi-skimmed-milk88 =88 3.8%
Rubbish: freebie:M&S-tea-cake48 sf-jello25 wafer8 =81 3.5%
Totals: 2300, 114.1g protein. 169 is 7.3%
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Nir
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Posted: 20 May 2007 01:55 pm |
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Saturday
Completely out of fruit so on way home from gym stopped to buy grapes, pears and tomatos at the market (and also sweet potatos, because they seemed a good quantity) so £4 altogether. I was also stopped by someone who wanted to survey me on what I thought about the shopping centre (mall). Then a girl and a guy tried to sell me a new mobile phone contract but at that point I've had enough so I made my excuses.
The day then passed very quickly. I think that both eating and downloaded videos (peep show and music videos) played their part, and I over-did on both fronts. I did come out a couple more times to the market (3pm and 4.30pm) but left with nothing both times.
It appears that my mum is the only person who appears to be able to positively interact with the guy in the market in order to obtain discounted vegetables. This is quite an unusual and disturbing arrangement. On the one hand, the guy in charge clearly hates her guts, has been quite rude to her (in fact at one point she complained to the owner of the stall). On the other hand, she is persistent and savvy and he recognises that she is willing to dip her hand into her pocket to buy a variety of vegetables. So she puts in the time and he ends up offloading various vegetables on her. When she bought plenty she came over to mine: I bought from her lots of spinach, broccoli and leek (£3) as well as part-lots of baby-corn, baby-carrot, cucumber (£1.08). Thus my total spend today, all on produce, was £8.08.
Exercise: [AM] 45 min Body Combat, 60 min Body Pump. 1.75 hours.
Nuts: peanuts277 =277 13.2%
Animals: semi-skimmed-milk136 =136 6.5%
Rubbish: sf-jello50 wafer-cone12 =62 3.0%
Totals: 2100, 114.0g protein. 198 is 9.4%
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Nir
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Posted: 21 May 2007 04:06 am |
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Sunday
a lazy start to the morning;
10.20am: grapes, broccoli
11.55am: tomatos (frozen, whipped into a sorbet) + wafers, broccoli
fun gym outing to do body jam.
2.15pm: broccoli, pears (frozen, whipped into a sorbet), brussel sprouts
4.35pm: cauliflower (mashed), peas, grapes (frozen)
gym outing to 'properly work out'.
7.30pm: peanuts (eaten in gym changing room)
Salsa outing (fun: average). In attendance from 7.40pm till 11.10pm. Let's say I was active for 1.5 hours.
11.35pm: broccoli, green beans, mixed-vegetables(carrot,cauliflower etc.), leeks, brussel sprouts, sweet potatos
Exercise: [noon] 60 min Body Jam, [PM] 45 min Body Step, 45 min Body Pump, 1.5 hours Salsa. 4 hours.
Nuts: peanuts200 =200 11.8%
Animal: =0 0.0%
Rubbish: wafers20 =20 1.2%
Totals: 1700, 114.1g protein. 20 is 1.2%
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Nir
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Posted: 22 May 2007 04:52 am |
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Monday
Didn't feel like gym in the morning, and was exhausted and napping in the evening, so no gym. First rest day in 2 weeks (i.e. today's rest day breaks 13 consecutive days at the gym. I had to go back a couple of pages in this diary to figure that out.)
After cataloging the various high-protein vegetables I have at my disposal (mostly frozen), in the afternoon I opted to balance fruit for protein not with vegetables but with my banana flavour Whey powder. Made a total of 5 'shakes' - each involved frozen fruit (3 times pears, 2 times grapes) and the powder. The shakes were all THICK because rather than mixing the powder with water or milk I relied on the fruit sorbet to provide the mixing 'liquid'. The shakes were fantastic, and gave a desirable "filled-up" quality. (numbers-wise, 'spoilt' an otherwise-vegan day).
Spent a bit of time watching videos but much more time reading interesting stuff on the ACSM Learning Portal.
So, day 4 concludes one 2300,2100,1700,1900 cycle. I'll probably keep these going for a while but at some point (not quite yet) may step it up to 2200,2000,1600,1800 which will give a mean calorie intake of 1900, rather than 2000.
Exercise: none.
Nuts: peanuts60 cocoa14 =74 3.9%
Animals: banana-flavour-whey-powder302 =302 15.9%
Rubbish: sf-jello25 =25 1.3%
Totals: 1900, 114.0g protein. 327 is 17.2%
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Nir
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Posted: 23 May 2007 03:37 am |
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Tuesday
Decided to warm up on the stair-climber before the Circuits class, to see if it would help me 'survive' the challenging Circuits class better. I think it did.
Nash arranged for us both to have complimentary salsa classes at a Newport Pagnell salsa club that I have not visited for perhaps 2 years. I honestly believe that I can explain the moves better than the teacher! Nash was disappointed that there was no freestyle afterwards, but I enjoyed the friendly atmosphere during the classes (even if most of those present couldn't dance - not their fault, they do their best given the standard teaching. Er, I hope he doesn't read this!).
Have decided to keep track of my spending on food. Maybe I'll add it up at the end of the week.
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Pump, [PM] 15 min stair-climber, 45 min Circuits. 2 hours.
Shopping: 30p spring greens, £1 pears. £1.30
Nuts: peanuts477 =477 20.7%
Animals: banana-flavour-whey-powder313 sainsbury-sample:chicken-with-stuffing20 =333 14.5%
Rubbish: salsa-freebie:lolly-pop36 sf-jello25 =61 2.7%
Totals: 2300, 14.0g protein. 394 is 17.1%
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Nir
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Posted: 24 May 2007 04:32 am |
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Wednesday
Got ready by packing some celery and lettuce. Otherwise lettuce and celery generally get ignored in my home. Left numeracy course an hour early because teacher had to collect sick child from their school. Used time to cycle to LIDL - prices of fruits/vegetables are varied every Monday/Thursday. On this visit I didn't like any of the prices so I left empty-handed.
At counselling we agreed that I'm a bit less stressed than before. I ran out of fruit, my next non-protein food of choice is sweet potato. At the gym I did a 15-minute warm-up prior to my class. The stair-climber has settings 1 through 12. I managed a few seconds at level 12...
With his new digital food scales my brother started counting calories. One day he reached 774 (on another day 1100). His unadjusted RMR is around 1800 and his BMI is currently 26.8 (i.e. overweight). Rather makes my point for me: people who don't count calories have no idea what they're up to. (And you can bet he wasn't eating 800 calories a day when he was "expanding".) I'm talking his calories up! He is researching gym availability in his area.
Received my invitation to the annual London-centric event hosted by my old university. Last year the event was in July, with me spending weeks looking forward to this event which features free and unlimited canopes and champagne, and which I have now 'abused' for two years in a row. Could I go there this year with my digital scales? Indeed, without the 'free' food and drink, would I actually want to go? Are the (genuinely fantastic) surroundings and the social ocassion worth my time and the cost of public transportation? I honestly don't think I get much in terms of socialisation (I won't know anyone there, most likely). It is a binge and an expensive one at that. My current view is that I'd rather skip the event this year. If I was involved with someone it would have been a novel date.
Exercise: [AM] 60 min cycle to course/LIDL/counselling [PM] 15 min stair-climber, 60 min Body Combat. 2.25 hours.
Shopping: £0
Nuts: peanuts294 =294 14.0%
Animals: banana-flavour-whey-powder67 =67 3.2%
Rubbish: numeracy-course:cadbury-highlight-orange-chocolate-drinks80 sf-jello75 =155 7.4%
Totals: 2100, 113.6g protein. 222 is 10.6%
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Nir
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Posted: 25 May 2007 11:53 am |
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Thursday
Rob was in town (to sign on) and as the weather was nice I agreed to come out (to sit outside, in the pub's beer garden). It wasn't too bad - I refrained from getting a book out. He mentioned his sister had an invitation for a freebie to the grand opening of the new Pizza Express restaurant tonight, which she wasn't going to use. I contemplated going past her workplace to ask for this. Then I decided I wasn't going this low and food-focused. Thus I was able to adhere to my low-calorie day.
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Pump [PM] 7 min stair-climber, 30 min Body Step, 60 min Body Jam. 2.5 hours.
Shopping: £1 apples £1 pears £1 melons £1 tomatos. £4
Nuts: peanuts237 =237 13.9%
Animals: banana-flavour-whey-powder119 sainsburys-sample:gammon65 =184 10.8%
Rubbish: sainsburys-sample:cheese60 pub-complimentary:biscotti26 sf-jello25 =111 6.5%
Totals: 1700, 113.5g protein. 295 is 17.4%
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Nir
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Posted: 26 May 2007 03:34 am |
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Friday
Called mum to let her know I'm pretty much out of frozen stuff so to keep me in mind if she was planning a trip to ASDA. Getting out of gym classes I found a missed call - she was indeed planning an outing today so go home and wait to be picked up. Walked out of the gym to find a man in a suit leaning over my bicycle holding a large crow-bar. I shouted. Had I been 30 seconds late he would have destroyed my bike lock. The security guards have evidently taken exception to the tree I chained my cycle to (2 weeks ago it was a lamp-post). Looks like they'll get their way and I'll be chaining cycle to the designated rack (further away) from tomorrow onwards. I _still_ can't see who is bothered by me chaining bike to nearer posts/trees/objects, but for my own sanity I'll have to let this one go.
Unfortunately mum was slightly early and had to wait while I was eating my post-gym snack (frozen cubes of cantelope melon whipped up with banana flavour whey powder). She drove us to Bletchley where she bought a steering-wheel lock that will end up with my brother. We sipped some free (and calorie-free) drinks at IKEA. I did enough shopping at ASDA to fill 2 drawers (one third) of my freezer. Samples at IKEA and ASDA amounted to 223 calories.
Was first at the OA meeting site and helped myself to a biscuit in the kitchen. Unusual meeting: only half of the 10 people attending shared and after much silence meeting was wrapped up early - but people stayed to chat informally for longer than usual. Passed parent's house on way back hoping to bump into sister who is supposed to be passing through on way from Oxford to Glasgow (making 'family stops' at Milton Keynes and Wolverhampton) but evidently they were out. Helped myself to one lemon-cream-wafer (my father's favourite) before carrying on my way.
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Fab Abs Killer Butt, 45 min Body Step, [PM] 45 min cycling to OA. 2.5 hours.
Shopping: 228p peas, 192p cauliflower, 176p mixed vegetables, 130p brussel sprouts, 74p broccoli, 38p blackcurrent squash. £8.38
Nuts: peanuts353
Animals: banana-flavour-whey-powder174 ASDA-sample:spicy-chicken-wing38 =212 11.2%
Rubbish: IKEA-sample:coconut-tea-cake120 OA-kitchen:oat-biscuit70 sf-jello50 ASDA-sample:maltizers41 mum-kitchen:lemon-cream-wafer37 wafer-cone36 ASDA-sample:choritzo24 =378 19.9%
Total: 1900, 114.4g protein. 590 is 31.1%
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Nir
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Posted: 27 May 2007 03:58 am |
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Saturday
I've splashed on fruits and vegetables at the market (by allowing mum to buy pretty much anything on my behalf. I did veto 'corn on the cob' - she should know better than even ask me if I want it. I've made my position on corn quite clear before.) There's a whole bunch of preparing, cooking, storing worked with such a major purchase, and at the end of today I haven't finished this!
Caught up with radio comedies, mailing lists; read some 'humour' at b3ta.com and more ACSM 'fit society' magazines.
Exercise: [AM] 45 min Body Combat, 60 min Body Pump. 1.75 hours.
Shopping: £1 spinach £1 broccoli £1 mange tout £1 spring greens £1 green peppers £1 leeks £1 tomatos £1 galia melons £1 honeydew melon £1 pears 75p bananas 67p grapes 50p spring onions 50p marrows 50p watermelon. £12.92
Nuts: peanuts471 =471 20.5%
Animals: banana-flavour-whey-protein178 summer-show-sample:venison-burger16 =194 8.4%
Rubbish: sf-jello50 wafer-cone12 =62 2.7%
Totals: 2300, 114.0g protein. 256 is 11.1%
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Nir
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Posted: 28 May 2007 03:55 am |
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Sunday
After an enjoyable Body Jam class (only 4 of us and the instructor - perhaps a combination of the rain and people away for the long weekend) noticed a call from mum - she's going to ASDA and wondered whether I wanted to come along. I did.
Again, due to the same mix (poor weather and the long weekend) ASDA got stuck with lots of produce. You could passively wait for bargains to become available, or "hunt" the shelves for products marked 'display until 27-5-07' and offer them for reduction. We were shopping from 2.30pm till 4pm. I ended up paying £11.75 for 66 items - that's an average price of 18p per packet. One loaf of wholemeal bread - everything else was fruits and vegetables, making for 7 heavy shopping carrier bags.
My fridges are essentially full to capacity, so there is a fair amount of produce that is not refrigerated. About 1 square meter (1m x 1m) of the room is taken with 'salad components'. There was a fair amount of processing work to do so I decided to skip the afternoon workouts and the salsa night, in favour of housekeeping. For example, taking apart 14 fruit-salad-type boxes and sorting the 8+ different fruits into matched boxes (e.g. all kiwi-fruit slices together, all mango slices together) ready for freezing.
Time to work out my 7 day shopping total. This is certainly not a typical week for me! 1.30 + 4 + 8.38 + 12.92 + 11.75 = £38.35
Still going through those 'Fit Society' magazines - a high quality read. acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home_Page&TPLID=2&CONTENTID=4393&TPPID=413&TEMPLATE=/TaggedPage/TaggedPageDisplay.cfm&THISPAGE=1
Exercise: [noon] 60 min Body Jam. 1 hour.
Shopping: 380p mixed-peppers 260p fruit-salad(cantelope,kiwi,mango,pineapple,apple,orange,red-grape,watermelon) 70p grapes 60p tomato 50p cucumber 40p cherry-tomato 40p strawberry 40p banana 30p courgette 30p stir-fry 30p pears 30p grapefruit 25p mushroom 25p broccoli 20p baby-corn 20p mango 15p runner-bean 10p wholemeal-bread. £11.75
Nuts: peanuts730 =730 34.8%
Animals: banana-flaour-whey-powder45 fruit-salad-component:probiotic-yogurt20 =65 3.1%
Rubbish: Sainsbury-sample:brie-cheese12 Sainsbury-sample:cracker9 fruit-salad-component:drizzle3 =24 1.1%
Totals: 2100, 114.0g protein. 89 is 4.2%
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Nir
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Posted: 28 May 2007 11:35 am |
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I'll share an internal conflict.
Seeing the wood from the trees. I am trying to lose a small amount of body fat, in a healthy way, without losing LBM. That means having a small calorie deficit and consequently I am only expecting to lose about half a pound (about 0.2kg) per week. I eat up to 5 kilo of food every day. My sodium intake fluctuates. My official scales only read to the nearest 0.5kg. All of these factors contribute to making it difficult to figure out what my progress actually is. [I read yesterday that whist fibre affects the frequency of bowel movements, 'transit' time is UNAFFECTED by fibre intake and remains between 2 and 4 days]
My character flaw of impatience is currently encouraging me to take "the next step" - a further reduction in calories. This will mean that [2300,2100,1700,1900] (which is an average of 2000, 13% deficit relative to 2300) will be replaced by [2200,2000,1600,1800] (which is an average of 1900, 17.4% deficit to 2300). The lower numbers are still well within the guidelines of keeping deficit between 15-20% (and well above unadjusted RMR every day), and besides 2300 may be a slight over-estimate of my maintenance calories.
On the one hand, I've only given the current cycle values ONE WEEK to do their thing (after my last re-feed) so how I could I possibly know their effectiveness? On the other hand, BFFM guidelines are to monitor progress and adust results - and for my results Tom's suggestions are to (1) increase cardio [and I think I am at the top end, I already probably average 1.5 - 2 hours of exercise per day, if anything I probably do too much] (2) try a modest cut in calories.
I know I'll be trying the slightly-lower numbers soon. Part of me wants the 'smugness' of being able to say that I'm so active that I can lose fat on 2000. Maybe I can make that work in my favour
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Nir
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Posted: 29 May 2007 01:19 am |
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| Not quite sure about my thought process, but I wanted to calculate an Atkins-like diet day comprising of just Broccoli and Peanuts. For 1600 calories and 30% of calories from protein, my results were 2524g (~5.5 lb) cooked broccoli and 166g (~6 oz) peanuts. Macronutrients work out: protein 30%, carbs 10%, fat 60%. Carbs work out as 41g (which will be ketogenic for most people). Fat: 106g (of which saturates: 15g). So there you are, an example of an Atkins day using Eat-To-Live nutrient-dense Vegan foods, at Eat-To-Live quantities. The main drawback is not enough variety for balance of micronutrients - but you could just add more protein-rich green vegetables and other nuts/seeds to fix that. So eat that, Dr Fuhrman :). I don't intend to follow such a diet, because I've read that I'll be sabotaging my exercise if I eat less than 100g of carbs per day. I expect most other people will view eating that much broccoli as a chore rather than a privilege.
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Nir
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Posted: 29 May 2007 03:52 am |
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Monday
Forgot to mention that whilst at ASDA on Sunday I managed to run my right foot (specifically right ankle) over with my loaded trolly (shopping cart). Regardless of my mini injury I survived my morning Body Jam. Choice of afternoon classes was restricted due to Bank Holiday - decided not to bother. For the first time since I've been keeping records I managed a perfect "ETL score" . I wasn't actually trying. Lots of peanuts means carb intake was perhaps around 40% mark.
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Jam. 1 hour.
Shopping: £0
Nuts: peanuts599 =599 35.2%
Animals: 0
Rubbish: 0
Totals: 1700, 114.1g protein. 0 is 0%
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Nir
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Posted: 30 May 2007 01:33 am |
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A certain forum member posted 27 times today. That is a lot of noise. Contributions ranged from essentially saying nothing to annoying other users and I was certainly amongst those being annoyed. Forum posting guideline #3 states "Conduct: All posts must be courteous". However, this is Peter's domain so I must allow him to do as he sees fit. (Anybody who feels some action is required should PM Peter directly.)
If you have no idea what I'm talking about, consider yourself lucky.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 30 May 2007 01:52 am |
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If you have no idea what I'm talking about, consider yourself lucky.
No such luck for me. Unfortunately I absolutely know what you're talking about. And am getting quite annoyed also. I do not envy Peter and his job. I know everyone has the right to voice their opinions and that should be encouraged and respected, but this person is getting downright self-righteous and ignorant to everyone else's feelings and/or opinions. The constant bashing of people who count calories, bashing people who choose weight loss surgery, now the bashing of people who want to build muscle...and it's not a subtle comment ever - it's always ridicule. And then followed by a or  or have a nice day. If you don't agree with this person, you are simply wrong and need to wake up.
I did not pm Peter only for the fact that I get my feathers ruffled rather easily and did not know if I was just overreacting.
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Nir
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Posted: 30 May 2007 03:11 pm |
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Thanks Scoobees.
Tuesday
Michelle who normally instructs Body Pump on Tuesday mornings is on holiday this week and Hannah (who has instructed me on and off for about a year; I believe she was only teaching Body Pump for 4 weeks when I first met her at the other gym) was covering the class. I took the chance and used a 12.5kg (27.5lb) bar for the warm-up track. At the end of the track Hannah came over. "Here we go", I dreaded - she is going to tell me off for using "too heavy" a bar for warm-up (like Michelle did last week - some instructors mind and some don't). I was pleasantly surprised. Instead she alluded that she knows Trudie, my tutor on the Exercise To Music instructor course I completed in January and was telling me about a celebration night out for current and former students in a few weeks time. And her connection? she is taking the course right now. It may sound ammusing that someone who has been an instructor for a year is only becoming certified now, but there are other qualifications (such as gym instructor or personal trainer) that you can hold which qualify you to do a Body Pump module (but not qualify you to teach Aerobics, or Body Combat). She's obviously expanding her instructing skills. One way or another, my name must have come up whilst Trudie was teaching the current crop of students and Hannah realised she knew the person. I do hope I came up in a positive, or at least neutral context! I am looking forward to seeing some faces again. And I'm commited to not letting this break my abstinence.
The landlord's electrical contractors came to install a new 'main fuse box' and a new light fitting in the bathroom. The work took 1.5 hours. First, broadband disappeared. Then, perhaps 40 minutes later, this pathetic and little-used laptop battery gave up on me too. I was then down to reading a book. It didn't hold my interest - I ended up chatting with one of the contractors instead, chopping up some green peppers, and eating my lunch until power was restored.
I started reading The Hacker's Diet available free on John Walker's website fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/ . I am finding it a very good read. Amongst other things it suggests that the familiar "noise" (daily fluctuations in weight) are confusing but that a Weighted Moving Average ( fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/signalnoise.html ) is the solution. The free online book comes with downloadable Microsoft Excel files that will create the graph offline. There's also a website that will do it for you if you don't have Excel. I'm only halfway through the book though. Thanks a lot to Frankie for alerting me to this approach.
Decided I was tired and allowed myself to miss the afternoon Circuits class. Instead stayed home and had a largely unhappy time on the forums. Periodically mum telephoned with news from ASDA where she was. She fought a very good fight. I can largely trust her on shopping matters but she still called from time to time to ask how much to buy of this and that. A fantastic shop (and I don't have refrigerator space for it). When the consignment arrived, the first items I tackled were a couple of huge salads which were each accompanied by refined-flour pasta (which I discarded) and prawns (which I love).
Meal start times: 8.40am, 12.52pm, 3.20pm, 8.09pm, 11.10pm, 0.20am. This seems like progress - but less impressive if you consider eating times (for example 2nd meal was 12.52pm - 2.20pm)
Exercise: [PM] 60 min Body Pump. 1 hour.
Shopping: 140p prepackaged-salads 90p galia melons 40p mini-romaine 40p iceberg 40p spinach 30p pinto beans 30p borlotti beans. £4.10
Nuts: peanuts365 =365 19.2%
Animals: prawns80 =80 4.2%
Rubbish: 0
Totals: 1900, 114.0g protein. 80 is 4.2%
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Frankie
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Posted: 30 May 2007 04:40 pm |
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Hey, I'm glad you found it useful. Sounds like you have read the site much more thoroughly than I have! I am so happy when I stay in the "green area," of the chart, even when my weight has gone up a bit.
I was trying to add my chart to the JUDDDD thread, but I guess it was too big.
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Nir
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Posted: 31 May 2007 05:32 pm |
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Wednesday
It's half-term so no course or counselling, so instead gym in the morning. A particularly early night.
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Step, [PM] 60 min Body Combat. 2 hours.
Shopping: 15p garden-vegetables. £0.15
Nuts: peanuts517 =517 23.5%
Animals: prawns100 =100 4.5%
Rubbish: 0
Totals: 2200. 114.0g protein. 100 is 4.5%
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Peter
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Posted: 31 May 2007 09:46 pm |
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Nir wrote: I managed to run my right foot (specifically right ankle) over with my loaded trolly (shopping cart).
Broccoli and peanuts can be a true danger.
Over the years I've gotten into some real battles with forum members and it's taken a lot of my emotional energy. Actually wasted it... and wasted my time. Then when it's all settled down they have always just left the forum and I felt it was all for nothing.
fshaurie is an unusual case as he's been around a long time, and while he can be very annoying at times I feel he's sincere.
I've written him a number of times about his posts lately and his replies have always been apologetic, sounded sincere, and he said he'd try to do better. So I've been patient. Maybe too patient.
We'll see where it goes from here.
Peter
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Nir
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Posted: 1 June 2007 12:08 am |
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Peter wrote: and he said he'd try to do better.
We can only hope.
I've been doing some data-entry and whilst there are still months of data to enter I can now show off the impact that my September-October 2006 binge has had on my weight:
and body fat %
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