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Theresa
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Posted: 7 April 2008 07:06 am |
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I think you should offer to stand in take some classes when the instructors are off. That way you can see if you enjoy doing it and then if you do earn some money while doing what you were going to do anyway.  With not an ounce of fat on your body you definately will be a good example and an encouragement for others. 
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Nir
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Posted: 7 April 2008 10:20 pm |
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Monday
Poor sleep patterns. Almost decided to skip Spin but ended up going anyhow. Forgot my MP3 player at home - was on phone to mum when getting out of the door, by the time that conversation was over it was too late so had some enforced silence/meditation whilst cycling over to the gym. Sweated more than last week. Had a nice chat with my OA friend who did the same class (touching upon my on/off ambition to be an instructor).
Theresa, unfortunately it is not as simple as that. Although I'm a qualified Exercise To Music instructor, I am not a Body Training Systems (FitPro) instructor, whilst all the classes I go to (except for Spin) are BTS classes. So I don't have a BTS license. And for the moment I'm not going to spend the required amount of £££ money going on the relevant training courses.
Suenos, you are right - some ideas are somewhat difficult to merge, protein being the obvious one and amounts of animal protein a close second. Yes, I like the fact that there are references (and who knows I might even try following one of them one of those days: but unlike you I don't have universal access to academic papers). Even though I am more an ETL person than anything else, I think the prescribed training would be the bigger hurdle for me (I choose exercise in social settings). So I'm mainly reading for education: but I am not ruling out the possibility of doing a modified low-carb thing to test its effectiveness on myself.
On a separate matter - you wrote (in miss katz diary) about the coincidence of discovering health properties of foods and wanting to eat them. I think I've had a "rougher ride" in terms of discovering foods are unhealthy for me and giving them up!
I'm having video urodynamics (again) mid-May and I had to call the hospital to arrange to see my consultant the week after. I first got an appointment for the right date and then called somebody with more power to shift it to later on in the day so I can catch a cheaper train (and save at least £10). After some discussion with mum we decided that between now and May I'll go back on one of my medications (bladder relaxant) to see if it has any positive effects on my symptoms - I'll then take myself off it again in preparation for the urodynamics test.
Today I was feeling generally disatisfied with the quality of friendships I have in 'real life'. I feel I know my OA friends on a better level than anybody else. Rob got me wondering through some shops with him for just under an hour. Supposedly a win for me as it meant I wasn't being dragged to a pub, but it only confirmed how I was already feeling. The theme changed a little as I was then thinking about things that might make me odd. One thing is my current relationship with music: I only exercise when music is playing and I hardly ever hear music unless I am working out so they are coupled to each other. Also I consume so much of the text on my computer screen as computer-generated voice, and a significant part of it on my MP3 player whilst cycling, shopping, waiting for a gym class to start etc - I am guessing that hardly anyone else does this. Mind you thinking about it I don't personally know anyone who counts their calories - but those of you reading this paragraph are statistically more likely to be doing so compared with the average person.
The 'DELETE' key has now fallen off my laptop keyboard. That makes 5 missing keys!
In other news, I cut out all nuts and seeds to see what it would do to my percentages. Fat ended up at 5.6% of calories. 83.4% of calories from carbohydrates. Does that count as a low-fat, high-carb diet?
EDIT: the experiment continues. After 3 uneventful weeks at 1900 calories (after 7 weeks at 1800), I'm increasing calories as of tomorrow to 2000.
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=222
Exercise: [AM] 45 min Spin, [PM] 60 min Body Combat. 1.75 hours.
Shopping: 0
Veg: 15.1% [286kcal, 1314g]: cherry-tomato71 spring-greens-cabbage-boiled57 broccoli-boiled38 mange-tout-raw34 asparagus-boiled31 fine-whole-beans-raw25 leek-baby-raw23 pak-choi7
Fruit: 76.2% [1447kcal, 2447g]: banana714 grapes335 pear-funsize-tesco150 apple88 nectarine86 galia-melon74
Starchy: 7.0% [133kcal, 562g]: jerusalem-artichoke62 swede-boiled44 carrot-raw27
Animals: 1.5% [28kcal, 8g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder28
Rubbish: 0.3% [5kcal, 3g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon5
Totals: [4334g] 1900, 52.5g protein (11.0%), 11.7g fat (5.6%), 396.2g carb (83.4%), 1.58g saturated fat, 58.32g fibre, 0.03g sodium. 33 is 1.7%
Last edited on 7 April 2008 10:33 pm by Nir
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suenos
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Posted: 8 April 2008 04:29 am |
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Nir wrote:
EDIT: the experiment continues. After 3 uneventful weeks at 1900 calories (after 7 weeks at 1800), I'm increasing calories as of tomorrow to 2000.
Ohhh, now I'm annoyed (at my computer not you LOL) because your dietary experiments always facinate me and I don't have a clue what this one is about because I can't read backwards in you diary. Brief recap pretty please - what's the experiment?
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Nir
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Posted: 8 April 2008 06:26 am |
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| Well whilst I was doing the full time college course (which I am no longer doing) I did 3 low calorie (and sometimes lower-carb) days at 1400 calories. So from January 30th I stabalised at 1800 calories for 7 weeks. Yet during the period of late February / early March I had a gym lay-off for 9 days (and did not adust calories downward). This seems to have been the catalyst for some weight loss. This suggests that 1800 might be too little for me when I am exercising - so I am therefore experimenting with doing the same, except this time instead of reducing exercise I am increasing calories. I guess I want to 'rediscover' what my effective maintenance level is but if I start gaining then I won't necessarily panic (reasoning that with my 4 hours of weight training per week, some of it is bound to be muscle).
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Nir
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Posted: 8 April 2008 07:13 am |
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Nir wrote: Animals: 1.5% [28kcal, 8g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder28
Totals: [4334g] 1900
Something I wanted to point out for a while. The question how vegan am I can be answered either by calorie or by weight. The later one is the more impressive-looking.      
by calorie: 1 - 28/1900 = 98.526%
by weight: 1 - 8/4334 = 99.815%
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Nir
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Posted: 8 April 2008 04:32 pm |
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I have just re-read this rather memorable article, called 'The Fast Supper'
http://nymag.com/news/features/23169/
The wierd thing is that on the second reading it makes more sense, I have even seen posts by some of the characters in the article.
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sunshine
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Posted: 8 April 2008 05:35 pm |
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Hey Nir...I found your diary...thanks...I think! lol
SS
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Nir
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Posted: 8 April 2008 10:49 pm |
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Tuesday
Unusually my vegetables weighed more than my fruit. Mind you this does not mean I cut down on my fruit today - every day is "fruit day" on my plan (hi Sunshine  !).
Got up and rushed over to the gym for a good pump class. In the afternoon mum came over with gifts of a yellow-pepper(160g) and courgettes(370g).
One of today's blog entries on the Eat To Live blog ( http://www.diseaseproof.com ) was making fun of Atkins die-hard blogger Jimmie Moore ( http://www.livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com ). I already have a problem with what this guy is saying, but now that I've been watching some of his You Tube output ( http://www.youtube.com/user/livinlowcarbman ) I found him to also be incredibly annoying. In fact I would appreciate input from anybody reading this state-side: is this guy annoying or does he seem like the average people you know? Either way, a few months ago this guy found himself with a problem: he makes his living from his blog website, including advertising. He was actively promoting the Kimkins diet and then there was a lot of bad publicity about people following that plan who were instructed to eat 500 calories a day, whilst the website owner had false photos and in fact is still obese whilst apparently following her own plan. This occupied most of the rest of the day.
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=223
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Pump. 1 hour.
Shopping: 0
Veg: 27.5% [549kcal, 2391g]: beetroot-boiled73 cherry-tomato72 brussel-sprouts-boiled49 onion-raw46 cauliflower-boiled40 pepper-yellow-raw40 mushroom-common-raw35 fine-whole-beans-raw33 broccoli-boiled30 leek-baby-raw29 cabbage-boiled28 stringless-beans-raw28 chicory20 spring-greens-cabbage-boiled18 pak-choi9
Fruit: 50.3% [1007kcal, 2197g]: apple293 banana236 pear-funsize-tesco181 nectarine139 grapes84 galia-melon74
Starchy: 16.7% [335kcal, 535g]: potato-baked217 carrot-raw66 jerusalem-artichoke52
Nuts: 3.2% [65kcal, 11g]: cashew-raw-ndat41 brazil-nut-HB24
Animals: 2.0% [39kcal, 10g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder39
Rubbish: 0.3% [5kcal, 3g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon5
Totals: [5148g] 2000, 71.1g protein (14.2%), 21.7g fat (9.7%), 380.1g carb (76.0%), 2.84g saturated fat, 80.36g fibre, 0.04g sodium. 44 is 2.2%
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missfit
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Posted: 8 April 2008 11:25 pm |
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| I am truly in awe of your level of self-control. Your diet seems so sound and healthy. I hope one day some of that will rub off on me. Good job!!
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Nir
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Posted: 9 April 2008 04:55 am |
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| Thank you for this Oscar. I want to give credit to Overeaters Anonymous (http://www.oa.org) without whom none of this would be possible . Thanks also go to a Higher Power (whichever way I chose to define it)
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Aimless
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Posted: 9 April 2008 12:08 pm |
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Hang on, did that guy [Jimmie Moore] just say that it's only in the last 100 or even 50 years that we've introduced grains into our diet?
I'm cringing.
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Nir
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Posted: 9 April 2008 12:26 pm |
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| Thanks for the support but I am still wondering whether this is just the 'British reaction' and for all we know, this guy is very likeable for a US public. (And how about those sound effects?)
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Aimless
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Posted: 9 April 2008 12:42 pm |
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Well based on my experiences of american culture, particularly from watching what the TV is like over there when I went to San Diego a few years ago, I imagine he's pretty normal... What I've seen of Turbo Jam is the same, it feels really gimmicky and has sound effects too. Obviously I'm not putting this stuff down in any way, it's not marketed for the British public.
I don't know if it's because we both speak English and we share a lot of similarities, but it's easy to forget that they're just as foreign as any other country.
So I imagine that this is just a painfully British reaction. 
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zenobia
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Posted: 9 April 2008 10:19 pm |
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hahahahahahahaha
this guy is kidding, right? i mean, there is no way he can be serious or be taken seriously.. yeah, um, could he maybe back up 1 word uttered out of his mouth? oh wait, he can't! he pulled everything out of his rear end.
ok, i will put it in the perspective that there are many many many people out there (especially in the U.S) that believe just about anything and everything. many people... but, i don't think that he would be deffined as intelligent, educated, or even interesting... well, at least not by anyone i know.
and yes, the sound effects are horrendous. he is cheesy. and if this guy is some sort of authority on any subject, i can do nothing but shake my head and maybe shed a tear for "my fellow americans".
and yeah, i am going to ask my grandparents how they grew up without bread...
this guy has got to be a joke.... i hope to god that he is kidding.
oh, and i wanted to mention that i read that article about CR. still not sure what to make of it. i just wonder if it's really worth it. and i agree with one of the posters on the articles site- i too hoped that he came out of it with some sense of balance...
and orange skin? ummm... no thank you... but to each his own
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suenos
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Posted: 10 April 2008 12:21 am |
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Nir wrote: I have just re-read this rather memorable article, called 'The Fast Supper'
http://nymag.com/news/features/23169/
The wierd thing is that on the second reading it makes more sense, I have even seen posts by some of the characters in the article.
Just read it.....interesting....truly do not understand the appeal though... I mean what's the point of longevity with the quality of life intact - thinking about that bit about how with CR there is a gradual loss of fat/muscle/bone..gave me the shivers....isn't there also some relationship between CR and female infertility...actually, I'm wondering if that's why it's more of a male dominated movement - seems it would wreck havoc with a woman's reproductive system...any way, interesting, thanks for linking it.
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Theresa
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Posted: 10 April 2008 06:35 am |
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Re: "The Fast Supper" life is just too difficult to complicate it any more!  Each to his own.
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Nir
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Posted: 10 April 2008 10:27 am |
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| You're not the feeding me the right lines here. You should have said "life is just too short" - because I could have then said that CRON (Calorie Restriction with Optimum Nutrition) is about fixing that problem, by extending life (or as some might argue, by making it seem longer )
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Theresa
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Posted: 10 April 2008 10:50 am |
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Ha Ha! I didn't think of that, so it's good that I didn't say it or else you would have had me there.
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Aimless
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Posted: 10 April 2008 11:02 am |
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Zen, I'm very glad to hear that!
I read the CR article too. The calorific restriction they talk about seems not so far off what us counting calories lot do, I regularly eat as little as that woman, though it doesn't mention her height. Obviously what I don't do is the nutritional balance stuff beyond common sense, I've seen what that does to me and it's not pretty. But... each to their own. Perhaps they feel their "ultimate control" makes them superior. I'm not sure I have enough of a desire to live 'forever' to take it that far.
And yeah, being underweight makes a mess of your reproductive system. If they were pregnant, would they alter their eating habits for the benefit of the child? I don't know, it all seems a bit odd to me. Say their lifespan was doubled, and their children [if they had any] didn't want to follow the same lifestyle - would they really want to outlive them?
Hmm.
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Nir
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Posted: 10 April 2008 11:39 am |
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This website http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/ features one of the leaders of the CR movement. His picture (at age 65) on that page appears to show no problems with muscle. He has a 'CRON calculator' on the site http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cron1.html Remember that those doing CRON restrict by anything between 10% and 40% of the maintenance calories of the same-height person with BMI 22; and that doing CR you will probably end up with a BMI between 19 and 20: you are not necessarily going to end up underweight or infertile. Although the more you restrict the longer you might live, it is suggested that you don't start with 40% restriction, and the later in life you start the less you should be restricting.
Aimless, you actually have more insight than me into what it might be like to "do CRON". My home-grown computer program only tracks calories, macronutrients, sodium, saturated fat and fibre. The CRON-o-Meter program which you used for about 3 weeks actually tracks all the vitamins and minerals for which data is available in the USDA database, so unlike me you could have figured out whether you were getting, say, enough calcium.
My current attempt to figure out what my maintenance level is means I will eventually not be doing CR - at least for a while.
I need to decide whether I have more problem with Jimmy Moore's mannerisms or his intense unwavering literal reading of his bible (Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution).
I also have a small bone to pick with Lyle McDonald. When he is designing a 'diet' he figures out the macronutrients and then gives examples. His fat examples generally assume I'll be drinking my fat as oil, or possibly using it as dressing on my salad. He does not pause to think I might prefer to consume it as olives, avocados, nuts and seeds (which I would).
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Aimless
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Posted: 10 April 2008 11:51 am |
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I'd have to re-read it but I'm sure there was mention of one of them having a BMI of 15 and they were saying it wasn't unhealthy in their situation.
As for the CRON-o-meter, I didn't get to track all the other nutrients very well. The foods in the database came from that US database, and there was a lot of things that didn't match the food I have, so I ended up entering my own - sans nutrients, as our packaging doesn't provide so much detail. In the end I turned off tracking all those things such as calcium because it seemed pointless to have a figure at all when it wasn't the full picture.
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Nir
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Posted: 10 April 2008 12:09 pm |
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I noticed that the calorie and macronutrient information (where available) always seems to be different between united kigndom food packaging and USDA figures. So my home-grown computer solution only uses data I type in (i.e. when I first started it had data for 0 foods). Talk about variety, as of now I have entered data for 419 different foods (and I hardly ever enter a food and not eat it, so I've certainly been busy eating those last 224 days ~ 8 months).
Wednesday
Was unable to sleep between 4 and 7am then barely able to reawaken in time for a good step class. I had a good chunk of the day to myself as my counsellor is on holiday this week.
I rearranged my fridge and found space for the 5kg of potatos I bought last week which back then I did not have room for. After my recent persistence in the fruit-eating department I am now down to the limited choice of apples and bananas. I was able to rearrange my freezer and this highlights its relative emptiness: one drawer is completely empty.
One possible project is for me is to identify sub-par veggies and cook/freeze them in my new found freezer space. However (thanks to Hisgal) I am trying to eat raw those things that I am happy to eat raw. I have a stock of mushrooms, leeks, stringless beans, green beans, white onions, red onions and carrots that fit this description. I guess I could think about cooking and freezing potatos, cabbage, jerusalem artichokes and parsnips though only my parsnips are showing some signs of ageing, they're not too bad really and I already have some froen parsnips and don't want an entire freezer devoted to them.
I was already familiar with Tom Venuto's useful blog at http://www.burnthefatblog.com/ but I was not aware that he is making some sample articles from his pay-site (the 'Inner Circle') available free at http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/public/department2.cfm so that was my mini-project
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=224
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Step, [PM] 60 min Body Combat. 2 hours.
Shopping: 26p red-cabbage(870g). £0.26
Veg: 18.4% [368kcal, 1430g]: brussel-sprouts-boiled81 beetroot-boiled44 cauliflower-boiled40 onion-raw35 cherry-tomato35 leek-baby-raw29 fine-whole-beans-raw24 stringless-beans-raw23 spring-greens-cabbage-boiled21 mushroom-common-raw19 courgette-raw18
Fruit: 61.9% [1237kcal, 2374g]: apple559 banana390 nectarine288
Starchy: 8.3% [166kcal, 273g]: potato-baked65 jerusalem-artichoke56 carrot-raw34 parsnip-boiled12
Nuts: 9.1% [182kcal, 32g]: cashew-raw-ndat146 brazil-nut-HB23 almonds13
Animals: 1.9% [39kcal, 10g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder39
Rubbish: 0.4% [8kcal, 4g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon8
Totals: [4124g] 2000, 65.1g protein (13.0%), 28.0g fat (12.6%), 372.0g carb (74.4%), 4.21g saturated fat, 66.43g fibre, 0.06g sodium. 47 is 2.4%
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Nir
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Posted: 11 April 2008 01:47 pm |
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Thursday
Started the day with some deliberate quiet time (eating some mushrooms and an apple-banana smoothie) before heading out to make my pump class. I'm trying to switch chest up to a 22.5kg (~50lb) barbell but I'm currently failing before the end of the 5-minute set.
I spent some time cashing up my mobile phone cashback claims (though writing this on Friday there is more angwish to follow)
The person who might have taken me to an out-of-town OA meeting was busy at a school parents' evening so I stayed home. My surfing took me to http://immuneweb.org/lowcarb/ a website dedicate to the vegeterian version of low-carbing, a topic close to my heart.
In the evening mum called from Tesco to report that items were only reduced by token amounts (e.g. reduced to 50-80% of original price) or not at all and came out with dramatic "this is the last time I'm coming here" hyperbola. Here at home I'm also feeling the crunch: by tomorrow I'll be finished with apples so banana will be my only fruit. My fridges are almost full but a closer look reveals it is mostly starchy vegetables at this point (perfect for McDougle fans, less ideal for Fuhrman devotees or (looking slightly ahead) any low-carb experiments. Still, I am sure something will come up!
My 'backlog' currently measures 2.6GB of mp3 files, roughly equivalent to approximately 2600 minutes or 43 hours. On the positive side it means that if I have any away-from-home stays or day trips I am not short of any spoken word to get on with. I am just observing this, not letting it stress me. It all falls under 'passtimes' after all. Clearly I am over-commited!
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=225
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Pump. 1 hour.
Shopping: 0
Veg: 13.4% [267kcal, 1334g]: mushroom-common-raw76 broccoli-boiled69 beetroot-boiled34 cabbage-boiled24 onion-raw18 fine-whole-beans-raw14 leek-baby-raw12 stringless-beans-raw11 courgette-raw9
Fruit: 67.5% [1350kcal, 2516g]: apple936 banana413
Starchy: 11.6% [233kcal, 343g]: potato-baked106 jerusalem-artichoke62 parsnip-boiled46 carrot-raw18
Nuts: 5.1% [101kcal, 17g]: cashew-raw-ndat59 brazil-nut-HB43
Animals: 2.2% [44kcal, 12g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder44
Rubbish: 0.3% [5kcal, 3g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon5
Totals: [4225g] 2000, 57.7g protein (11.5%), 21.2g fat (9.5%), 394.5g carb (78.9%), 3.45g saturated fat, 68.31g fibre, 0.11g sodium. 49 is 2.5%
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Nir
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Posted: 12 April 2008 11:04 am |
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Friday
Step on Friday is at a more reasonble hour so had the chance to relax and go online before heading out. After Step had a nice chat with gym member Carol who remembered something I briefly said about Lyle's The Ketogenic Diet and wanted the book's particulars so she can obtain it for herself. She once mentioned a background in nutrition and she certainly has the interest. She mentioned in passing that due to some problem with her adrenal gland she only appears to lose on 600-1000 calories, all I can say is wow and ouch (she is over 50 and shorter than me). I was so engrossed in the chat I managed to lose my water bottle but unlike the previous one I lost, I have no emotional attachment to this one (and have 10 just like it!)
Mum came over to deliver 3 letters rejecting recent cashback claims. I am currently too angry and disappointed to do anything about this. Maybe I will calm down by Monday. Mum also came over with shopping (partly from the LIDL sale and partly from the market) and some gifts (altogether 4.62kg for £1.56). I showed her the state of my fridge and freezer (and the colour of a recent urine sample...)
£1.56 (thanks for supplying 4.62kg of produce)
At OA there were 13 people including me. I shared about how I settled into those 'low percentages' and they now seem like a habit. After everyone had gone I stayed behind with my potential future sponsor as they outlined how they would take me through the steps. The key points are that I'd have to attend a minimum of 3 meetings per week, I would have to purchase a copy of the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, I would have to make a weekly appointment at their house for 7 weeks and devote about 1.5 hours every day to "step study" work. After this I would do steps 1 through 8 in one day and begin step 9 the following day. This last bit, about doing all of steps 1..8 in one day is currently sounding scarey: as indeed is the step study time commitment. I don't have to decide immediately as they are not available to start until mid-May. In the meantime I am encouraged to try different meetings (for example AA meetings in my town) and see if I can identify anyone who is sponsoring or being sponsored in a different way. There is an inconvenient-to-get-to AA meeting on Sunday morning that I might try. I am feeling 'less ready' to embark on this commitment than I did last week.
As predicted, I finished my apples today and whilst I still have a large stockpile of bananas, they also won't last forever. Did another freezer re-organisation. I tend to eat the frozen bananas as is, not as a smoothie and I guess that's why my protein appeared low - so I supplemented with a portion of smoked turkey slices. At 3445g (~7.5lb) this was my lightest day for about a week. When I was doing lower-carb lower-calorie days back in January we were looking at sub-2kg. I wonder whether I'll be captured by low-carb at some point (whilst I still have some appropriate produce).
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=226
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Step, [PM] 45 min cycle to OA. 1.75 hours.
Shopping: 60p celery(1.5kg) 51p sweet-potato(800g) 26p aubergine(340g) 19p white-onions(1kg) gift courgettes(730g) gift baby-orange-peppers(250g). £1.56
Veg: 16.6% [332kcal, 1492g]: pepper-orange-raw65 beetroot-boiled58 mushroom-common-raw40 cauliflower-boiled38 cabbage-boiled34 aubergine-boiled32 onion-raw24 broccoli-boiled19 leek-baby-raw11 fine-whole-beans-raw8 celery-raw3
Fruit: 64.5% [1290kcal, 1502g]: banana1166 apple124
Starchy: 13.2% [264kcal, 394g]: jerusalem-artichoke103 sweet-potato-boiled86 parsnip-boiled45 carrot-raw29
Nuts: 2.8% [56kcal, 8g]: brazil-nut-HB56
Animals: 2.8% [56kcal, 47g]: turkey-smoked-wafer-thin50 banana-flavour-whey-powder6
Rubbish: 0.1% [3kcal, 2g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon3
Totals: [3445g] 2000, 56.1g protein (11.2%), 18.9g fat (8.5%), 401.3g carb (80.3%), 4.00g saturated fat, 53.88g fibre, 0.35g sodium. 59 is 3.0%
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missfit
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Posted: 12 April 2008 11:32 am |
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| I attended a couple of OA meetings a couple of years ago. I loved them except the fact that they called me on the phone a couple times per day. I'm not a telephone person so, I found the calls disrupting. I guess we were supposed to check on each other, I just didn't have time for it.
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Beth
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Posted: 12 April 2008 07:32 pm |
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| Nir, I can't believe an OA sponsor would encourage you to attend an AA meeting to find out about how someone in another type of 12-step program would sponsor someone. For one thing, unless it is an open to the public AA meeting, you would not be welcome unless you were alcoholic. Al-anon also has open and closed meetings. The focus in those meetings is AA and Al-anon, period. I've been in a 12 step program for 20 years and I've attended lots of open AA meetings. I can't imagine them discussing how a person sponsors another in a meeting. I had considered trying to attend an OA meeting, but if this is an example of how it works, it won't be for me. I may be overstepping my bounds here, but the schedule seems ridiculous, almost like some type of outpatient treatment center. Geez, I'd be scared, too.
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Nir
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Posted: 12 April 2008 07:50 pm |
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missfit,
I wish I had the confidence to collect and use phone numbers, or that other members had taken it upon themselves to do so. It is a disease of isolation. I don't know what I would have done without the tool of email loops (OA mailing lists) which are like a daily edition of lifeline
Beth,
I can see how it might work. Our OA meetings are open and we have previously had visitors. We've had an AA visitor for a couple of meetings in the last month (including this one just gone) and at other times we have had non-fellowship visitors. I have looked at the schedule of local AA meetings (using Google) and it appears they are open. I have even consulted other OA members who are attending AA meetings (in order to make their quota of 3 12-step meetings per week) to discuss what they say when they attend AA meetings. That bit does not scare me.
About asking questions in meetings: I know that there is a difference between what you say during a share and in the "meeting after the meeting". In our OA meetings, the shares have stricter rules such as a time limit, "no cross sharing" and "no asking questions". I know though that I could share in such a way that might encourage someone to talk to me after the meeting.
Besides, I do have an abnormal relationship with alcohol, and I don't know anyone who drinks quite the same way that I do, so it might be an interesting area to explore.
OA is young in this town an many of the abstinent OA members were sponsored by AA sponsors.
I agree with you that the idea of going through steps 1 through 8 in one day is scarey and I am keen to find out if other people do it differently.
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missfit
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Posted: 12 April 2008 10:12 pm |
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| Interesting point, maybe you have given me something to think about. Referring to the isolation bit about the disease. Thank you.
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Nir
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Posted: 13 April 2008 04:04 am |
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Saturday
Angela is running her 4th London Marathon tomorrow (Sunday) morning so today she's supposed to be resting! She "talked" us through Combat, walking up and down the stage rather than jumping and punching. During Pump Dave was on stage demonstrating. (Dave and Marie are back after an absence of weeks - a death in their family). Carol is now on the first leg of her experiment: ketosis on 600 calories.
Mum and I bought a 6kg crate of tomatos from the market stall for £2, going halves. I froze mine as soon as I could and was having my first tomato-based smoothie by 5.20pm.
Looking at my numbers, bananas are making over half my calories for a second day in a row. Carbs make 413g carbs, indeed my current 'default day' appears to correlate with Lyle McDonald's idea of carb-loading (it is about 8.7g per kilo of LBM, his guidelines are variously either 10g or 12..16g per kilo of LBM; though he would also advocate more protein).
Eating raw vegetables is becoming more of a habit:
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=227
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Combat, 60 min Body Pump. 2 hours.
Shopping: £1 tomatos(3.1kg). £1
Veg: 15.9% [318kcal, 1639g]: tomato105 onion-raw35 cauliflower-boiled27 fine-whole-beans-raw24 broccoli-boiled23 stringless-beans-raw22 mushroom-common-raw22 leek-baby-raw18 cabbage-boiled17 courgette-raw17 celery-raw7
Fruit: 56.8% [1135kcal, 1195g]: banana1135
Starchy: 25.1% [502kcal, 771g]: potato-baked203 sweet-potato-boiled142 carrot-raw80 parsnip-boiled77
Nuts: 1.4% [29kcal, 4g]: brazil-nut-HB29
Animals: 0.6% [11kcal, 3g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder11
Rubbish: 0.3% [5kcal, 3g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon5
Totals: [3616g] 2000, 50.1g protein (10.0%), 16.5g fat (7.4%), 412.9g carb (82.6%), 2.86g saturated fat, 54.62g fibre, 0.23g sodium. 16 is 0.8%
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Nir
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Posted: 13 April 2008 10:19 pm |
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Sunday
AA meeting: 27 people, twice as long as OA meetings and started with a chair by a person who had been to two of our OA meetings as a visitor. There were also two other OAs in the room: one an alcoholic, another like myself just visiting. On the one hand I know I am not an alcoholic and there were many stories I could not relate to. Yet nevertheless I am an addicted person and this trait touches many areas of my life; insanity and alcohol have certainly come together - there are people and social situations that I make bareable to myself by using alcohol. As far as having 'that first drink' - forget it: I never have just drink, I only drink to get drunk so my first gambit is either 4 shots or 6 shots, depending on the situation. I had my last drink on March 14th - so I don't drink every day. When I was told that I'd have to give up alcohol for a while if I embark upon step study, it worried me that drink won't be an option if some situation presented itself. I find bars, nightclubs and house parties the most difficult to manage without a drink. It is funny I feel this way because I did not drink until I was 29, managing to be in those situations just fine. Somebody took a meeting list and marked on it which meetings were 'open' and 'closed' but this wound me up because one meeting that several people have told me was an open meeting was marked as closed: was this an honest mistake or does he not want me to come to that meeting? I am so easy to get going. Cycling there and back was quite an effort, at one point it was too hot for the clothing I picked, for 20 minutes there was a bizzard and my bottoms and socks got thoroughly soaked.
I had a 'food challenge' today, following a low-carb pattern, to remind myself of what it is like. Calories at 1200 and carbs at around 20%, in line with Ultimate Diet 2.0 recommendations; I was aiming for protein to fall between 54g and 72g so it appears there was no need for that portion of chicken breast after all. I know that most people would consider 2592g (5.7lb) to be a lot of food, but I felt restricted (curiously carbs proved more restrictive than calories). Carbs were 62.7g, about 1/6 to 1/7 of typical intake - and around 1/3 of it coming from 580g of tomatos I used for smoothies. After about 6 days when nuts and seeds were not a major component of food intake, today they had to make up over half of all calories. Saturated fat kept under 10g. I don't believe I am glycogen-depleted after one day. Tomorrow I'm going to go back to high-carb high-calorie (2000) eating.
7 day food shopping totals: 0 + 0 + 0.26 + 0 + 1.56 + 1.00 + 0.25 = £3.07
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=228
Exercise: [AM] 90 min cycle to AA in Bletchley, [PM] 45, min Body Step, 60 min Body Pump. 3.25 hours.
Shopping: 25p spring-greens(700g). £0.25
Veg: 38.5% [462kcal, 2400g]: cauliflower-boiled121 tomato99 spring-greens-cabbage-boiled93 brussel-sprouts-NETTO44 fine-whole-beans-raw33 broccoli-boiled23 celery-raw20 cabbage-boiled15 courgette-raw14
Nuts: 50.7% [608kcal, 102g]: cashew-raw-ndat230 peanuts-salted-sp133 almonds86 brazil-nut-HB80 peanuts-dry-roasted52 sesame-seed-JS29
Animals: 10.0% [120kcal, 82g]: chicken-breast-grilled50 herring-grilled50 banana-flavour-whey-powder11 semi-skimmed-milk9
Rubbish: 0.8% [9kcal, 7g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon5 coffee-instant4
Totals: [2592g] 1200, 82.5g protein (27.5%), 68.9g fat (51.6%), 62.7g carb (20.9%), 9.67g saturated fat, 48.07g fibre, 0.46g sodium. 129 is 10.8%
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Nir
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Posted: 14 April 2008 11:54 am |
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| Found some videos at http://www.vegandonelight.com/
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Nir
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Posted: 15 April 2008 12:16 pm |
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Monday
The low-carb day yesterday just was not fun. It left me feeling hungry or unsatisfied. I guess I'm used to more than 2.5kg of food. Being driven by numbers also reminded me of Aimless's recent brush with CRON-o-meter!
As the time was coming up to 9.45am we were all wondering whether she would make it - but she did. Angela was wearing her 'Finisher' T-shirt and medal, having completed yesterday's London Marathon in 3 hours and 53 minutes, which is apparently quite good for a 53-year-old. This was her 4th marathon. She could barely climb onto the Spin stage (in order to change CDs and get mic'd up, and learning her lesson from last year she did not attempt to cycle with us.
At home, the eat2live list turned me on to some lecture videos (see above) and from there I went onto other websites for other lectures. For food I was targetting the highest-carb starchy vegetables that I could not eat yesterday. Having taken 2 days to eat about a kilo of tomatos, I ate the other 2 kilos in one day and once more I'm down to bananas as my only fruit. After a nap headed out for my combat class. After Shey's combat decided that I would benefit from another class so (unusually) stayed for Kim's step as well. I am feeling down at the moment so this is escapism.
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=229
Exercise: [AM] 45 min Spin class, [PM] 60 min Body Combat, 60 min Body Step. 2.45 hours.
Shopping: 0
Veg: 24.0% [480kcal, 2289g]: tomato320 beetroot-boiled92 onion-raw55 stringless-beans-raw13
Fruit: 41.5% [829kcal, 873g]: banana829
Starchy: 29.3% [586kcal, 1420g]: casserole-vegetables:swede-carrot-babypotato-leek-onion208 potato-baked155 carrot-raw130 parsnip-boiled92
Nuts: 3.1% [62kcal, 10g]: cashew-raw-hb37 brazil-nut-HB25
Animals: 1.7% [33kcal, 9g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder33
Rubbish: 0.5% [11kcal, 6g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon11
Totals: [4607g] 2000, 54.0g protein (10.8%), 20.4g fat (9.2%), 400.1g carb (80.0%), 2.98g saturated fat, 64.57g fibre, 0.17g sodium. 44 is 2.2%
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zenobia
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Posted: 15 April 2008 02:56 pm |
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a few things-
first, i wated that video. it completely struck me. i work at a drug store and it is just amazing how many people are on meds for diabetes, or on meds in general (some people have 8-10 'scripts picked up in one day!), and i just know that they don't have to be paying for those meds if they would just eat better. it makes me both sad and angery. nobody likes to hear that they should change thier eating habits, but really, then don't complain about paying for meds! why can't the doctors prescribe a healthy life style?????
second, i am about 1/4 through the Lyle article and i love how he explins everything that is necessary in detail and still leaves out stuff that i really don't need to know. very interesting stuff thus far!
third- yes, low carb days are not cool. i actually hate them. i am wondering are you basically no carb? do you eat any greens? i find that i get a bit more full with spinach salads. totally unsatsified psychologically and lacking energy completely, but generally full.
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Nir
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Posted: 15 April 2008 03:04 pm |
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zenobia wrote: i am wondering are you basically no carb? do you eat any greens?
Sure, the vegetables I ate on my attempted low-carb day: (vegetable, calories, grams)
tomato 99 582g
spring-greens-cabbage-boiled 93 465g
cauliflower-boiled 121 432g
celery-raw 20 286g
brussel-sprouts-NETTO 44 244g
fine-whole-beans-raw 33 132g
broccoli-boiled 23 96g
cabbage-boiled 15 83g
courgette-raw 14 78g
Total was 2400g (over 5lb) but I did not feel satisfied, I usually eat more.
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zenobia
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Posted: 15 April 2008 03:25 pm |
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| oh yeah, i suppose i could have checked that out in your post about yesterday. heh...
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Nir
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Posted: 15 April 2008 10:20 pm |
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Tuesday
Before pump was talking about muscle and fat with a couple of women. In a round-about way I was trying to say to one of them that muscle isn't bulky and even if she was as strong as me she should not be larger than me - but I didn't have the nerve to ask about her food...
I think my internet service provider is annoyed at me for watching too many videos as it appears You-Tube is no longer working for me. Never mind I'm sure that will sort itself out in a few days.
An hour before film time went for a walk in the indoor shopping centre, extended it to Sainsbury's where I picked up 3.3kg of pears for £1.05. Went home to put that away then met Phil at the lobby of the Odean. We were about to go in and the guy told us we were at the wrong cinema. Never mind that I asked Phil on two separate ocassions which cinema it was in, and he obviously never checked! Yesterday he was late for a film at Cineworld and almost was not allowed to go in so we were worried. We ran and ran. We got into the film 4 minutes late, luckily the staff did not say a thing. The film, 'In Bruge' was a wry comedy about hit men. Very wry. I was munching on 329g of raw carrots during the film (119 calories), phil was demolishing a 250g bag of Jelly Babies (920 calories).
If I'm getting 1150 calories from bananas (which let's face it, are not the most filling of foods) then I guess I am mostly filled up by the other 850 calories: so why was I not content on Sunday when I attempted a low-carb day? On February 20th I relaxed my previous rule about getting 100g of protein per day. Today I've had the smallest amount yet, 42.12 grams, which is actually less than the RDA (RDA works out 54 x 0.8 = 43.2g). RDA has a safety margin though. Fat was low and carbs sky-high. Only 5 calories (0.25%) from animals+rubbish, another record.
Should I attempt another low-carb day, I'll actually make it a moderate-carb day with a 100g carb limit, as there is no point in feeling deprived. We'll have to see how I feel.
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=230
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Pump. 1 hour.
Shopping: 105p pears(3.3kg). £1.05
Veg: 13.2% [264kcal, 875g]: beetroot-boiled121 stringless-beans-raw56 leek-baby-raw55 onion-raw17 cabbage-boiled15
Fruit: 57.5% [1150kcal, 1211g]: banana1150
Starchy: 28.0% [560kcal, 1296g]: carrot-raw370 parsnip-boiled102 potato-baked88
Nuts: 1.0% [20kcal, 6g]: cocoa-powder20
Rubbish: 0.3% [5kcal, 3g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon5
Totals: [3392g] 2000, 42.1g protein (8.4%), 13.1g fat (5.9%), 428.4g carb (85.7%), 3.83g saturated fat, 65.14g fibre, 0.22g sodium. 5 is 0.3%
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zenobia
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Posted: 16 April 2008 04:20 am |
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interesting that you should mention trading in a low carb day for a moderate carb. i am really looking into a moderate carb diet, in general. maybe mix things up every now and then wth low carb or high carb, but i think the key is to find the right ratio for the individual- i.e. getting in enough food but not too much, feeling satisfied as in both full and being able to eat the things you want (assuming that it is fruit, starchy veggies, and a bit of whole grains is what you are craving), and soemthing a person can generally live with. i am finding that it is more difficult than i thought it would be.
you say you want a 100 gram of carb limit- so 400 cals from carbs, yes? what sort of ratio does that work out to be when considering protien and fats in the mix?- just curious for my own experimentation... are you basing that off of your 2000 cals?
Last edited on 16 April 2008 04:21 am by zenobia
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Nir
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Posted: 16 April 2008 07:38 am |
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Going by Ultimate Diet 2.0, I should be cutting my calories down to 1200 for maximum weight loss, or keep them up at 2000 (or create a 10% deficit: making it 1800) if my objective is mass gain with minimal fat gain.
Given the way I chose to work out, my main interest is still getting lean, so that means fitting it within a 1200 calorie diet. So that caps carbs at 33% max; I will also set proteins at a minimum of 50g (minimum 17%) and maximum probably 25% (because of my concerns of over-consuming protein). Protein + fat together will be a minimum of 67% together. I'm giving it another go today
Last edited on 16 April 2008 11:23 am by Nir
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zenobia
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Posted: 16 April 2008 10:36 am |
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wow, 1200 seems so low! interesting... especially when carbs are 33% of your intake. seems like that would leave you feeling unsatisfied if you are looking at the mass of the food.
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Nir
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Posted: 16 April 2008 10:40 am |
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| If I was a bigger person, it would translate to an even bigger deficit. Lyle says: half your maintenance calories or 1200, whichever is higher. I'm hoping to eat more than Sunday and feel less deprived. On Sunday I was only eating 63g carbs.
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Nir
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Posted: 17 April 2008 12:47 am |
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Wednesday
Had some cabbage and headed out to a step class, chatting to Carol about her low-carb experiment beforehand. Afterwards got on with online things, had a large salad (about 100g each of 4 raw ingredients).
When I was done with my online things (around 12.30pm) was feeling bored. Took my MP3 player for a very gentle walk around the shops. Toyed with learning some computer skills but didn't get far with that idea. Before long it was time to head for combat. Before Combat over-heard that gym participant Sam is taking her Exercise To Music exam in June and will then be thinking about BTS. Combat only started at 7.10pm which was a shame as I left at 7.45pm (just after Mu Ti) to make my 2nd AA meeting (a 1.5 hour meeting where again I knew 2 cross-adicted OAs - different ones from Sunday)
 
Just after 10pm mum showed up with some fantastic shopping from Tesco, very welcome in the current shopping 'draught', notably lots of apples  , some other fruits, a good quantity of swede (one my favourites) and some 'soup mix' (assorted diced starchy vegetables). Shopping weighed 31.83kg (70lb) and cost £6.15 (19.3p per kilo). At 1am am done with eating but still dealing with my shopping.
My low-carb day went ahead without a hitch. Actually didn't feel the need to go up to 100g of carbs, ended up with numbers similar to Sunday (carbs 60g = 20%, protein = 19%, fat = 61%). Despite my food weighing less (just 2 kilos) I didn't have a problem with it - and enjoyed eating 850 calories from a variety of nuts and seeds (about 5 oz). Nevertheless I'm looking forward to a high-carb fruit-rich day tomorrow! I can see myself doing low-carb days when low-carb vegetables are in stock, but I can't see myself motivated to eat this way for the majority of the time - I'm not /that/ motivated to get leaner. My BMI is 19.6. I'm lean enough. And it looks like I have ectomorph genetics, allowing me to maintain on a diet with 85% of calories from carbohydrates.
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=231
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Step, [PM] 30 min Body Combat. 1.5 hours.
Shopping:
240p apples-braeburn(14.8kg)
135p veg-soup(4.5kg)
102p swede(6.6kg)
40p pomelo(2.1kg)
20p pineapple(400g)
17p apples-empire(800g)
13p cabbage-pointed(420g)
12p melon-and-grapes(200g)
11p apples-golden(1.2kg)
10p sweet-crunchy(370g)
10p mini-cucumber(200g)
5p mango(240g)
£6.15
Veg: 28.2% [339kcal, 1868g]: cabbage-boiled123 fine-whole-beans-raw74 leek-baby-raw67 courgette-raw53 celery-raw21
Nuts: 71.1% [853kcal, 144g]: peanuts-salted-sp268 cashew-raw-ndat204 almonds82 brazil-nut-HB71 sunflower-seed-hulled66 monkey-nuts47 peanuts-redskin-raw34 sesame-seed-JS32 pumpkin-seed-hb29 peanuts-dry-roasted21
Rubbish: 0.7% [8kcal, 6g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon5 coffee-instant3
Totals: [2018g] 1200, 56.3g protein (18.8%), 81.5g fat (61.1%), 60.4g carb (20.1%), 13.12g saturated fat, 41.13g fibre, 0.53g sodium. 8 is 0.7%
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Theresa
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Posted: 17 April 2008 07:27 am |
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Nir wrote: Sunday
'that first drink' - forget it: I never have just drink, I only drink to get drunk so my first gambit is either 4 shots or 6 shots,
Is this a form on binge behaviour.? I am starting to realise that I am a binge person myself. I barely drink since I have started watching my calories and I am happy to go to a party and not drink. But when I do drink, 99% of the time I go overboard. It's like either all or nothing. I have gotten to the stage that it is much less hassle to not drink because it's not nice being drunk and that happens very quickly lately because I don't drink slowly, I will wolf it down. That is something I also do very easily with food. I eat way too fast. Is this also a sign of being a binge person? What is your thoughts on this?
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Nir
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Posted: 17 April 2008 07:32 am |
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on the one hand, they are both binge behaviours, and both could potentially indicate problems
however, you see people who binge on either alcohol or on food who do not have a problem (for example those people who binge on food during holiday meals, but eat normally the rest of the time)
in my case my binge-eating is an eating disorder, but my binge-drinking is controlled enough to fall under the alcoholism radar
going to those AA meetings shows me that some had to finish that pint or bottle just the way I used to finish the entire packet of cookies/chocolates/etc, equally helpless, equally remorseful afterwards
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Theresa
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Posted: 17 April 2008 07:42 am |
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| Thanks Nir, definately something I need to look into and work on.
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Theresa
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Posted: 17 April 2008 07:53 am |
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Actually I even had the same problem when I used to smoke, I had to finish the whole packet. If I only had 6 smokes for the day I would make them last, but if I had a carton in the cupboard I would happily chainsmoke. I guess it also adds up to a control issue. My solution seems to be that if I want to be in control I must just not have it in my environment. I wont go out of my way to go buy sweets/alcohol/ciggy's etc but if they are at home(excluding ciggy's now. I conquered the addiction) I will have them. Although I just realised, I can have alcahol at home or around me and I wont drink it, but if I have decided to drink which I only do when socialising or eating out then I go overboard. Oh boy! Do I confuse me or what? I don't think I am addicted to ciggy's or alcohol because I have to make a mental decision to have them before I have them, but when I do I can't seem to stop. Chocolates though I cannot say no to, so if they are in the house I end up eating them.
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Nir
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Posted: 18 April 2008 04:14 am |
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Interesting, I don't think that a smaller quantity of a trigger food (such as chocolate) is going to make me ration it and make it last longer for me.
Thursday
Only got 4 hours of sleep; headed out to pump where I felt reasonably strong (but I still can't bench a 22.5kg bar for the entire 5 minute non-stop set, something I've been tring to do for a week or two now). Foodwise focused on enjoying a 'normal' (for me) high-carb day. A 1200 calorie day is a 40% restriction compared to a 2000 calorie day but 60g carbs is an 85% reduction compared to a 420g carb day, is it any wonder I feel deprived?
In the afternoon mum showed up - having rearranged her fridge she had some gifts for me (some of which might be suitable should I do another low-carb day): 1kg mushrooms 750g leeks 600g brussel sprouts 570g kiwi fruit 400g cauliflower 300g broccoli. That's 3.62kg of gifts. About an hour later she returned to sell me 1.3kg of celery for 50p.
I've asked somebody from OA to give me a lift to a meeting in another town. This did not happen for two weeks (they were unwell one week and had work commitments on another) but they came through today. About 20 minutes late picking me up due to the marvels of Sat-Nav and an unfamiliar car, but we were only 5 minutes late and, given that they were the arranged 'chair' for this meeting they kindly waited for us. For a new meeting it was well attended (10) and has a character all of its own. I felt I had a bunch of stuff to share, wavering about whether the steps are for me, feeling very low this week, tinkering with my food plan, what attending AA meetings was like. However my body was conspiring against me: I became tearful and knew I couldn't address the group. Also I didn't want to lower the tone of the meeting which was 99% recovery talk, miles away from the recent AA experience. In a twist I was also recognised by a person I used to associate with a few years ago in a different context, we had a chat after the meeting, they have freshly completed their steps (not done on food or alcohol but on people, places and things) and shared their ESH (and I eventually managed to talk through my tears). Actually I don't think I have been in this tearful state for about a year and a half. I wonder what would have happened had I not had the privilege of attending that particular meeting.
At home after the meeting still had a third of my calories to get through and perhaps unwisely went on the 'heavy' side (the evening meal weighed about a kilo) and this has lead to less than perfect sleep patterns tonight too.
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=232
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Pump. 1 hour.
Shopping: 50p celery(1.3kg). £0.50
Veg: 4.4% [88kcal, 416g]: sweet-crunchy-salad:iceberg-redcabbage-carrot-tesco69 onion-raw18
Fruit: 74.2% [1485kcal, 3120g]: banana437 apple275 pear-funsize-tesco193 grapefruit179 pineapple167 mango89 kiwi-fruit86 grapes25 galia-melon19 cantelope-melon14
Starchy: 16.9% [338kcal, 1457g]: veg-soup-mix:carrot-leek-parsnip-celery151 swede-boiled86 potato-baked69 parsnip-boiled32
Nuts: 2.1% [43kcal, 6g]: brazil-nut-HB29 almonds14
Animals: 2.2% [45kcal, 12g]: banana-flavour-whey-powder45
Rubbish: 0.1% [3kcal, 2g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon3
Totals: [5013g] 2000, 43.9g protein (8.8%), 15.9g fat (7.2%), 420.2g carb (84.0%), 2.17g saturated fat, 78.17g fibre, 0.25g sodium. 48 is 2.4%
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Nir
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Posted: 19 April 2008 12:49 pm |
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Friday
So that's two nights of only getting around 4 hours of sleep, not good. Though on the positive side woke up feeling less down than the previous day. Enjoyed my step class (being one of the 3 'stuborn' participants to not lower their step for the speed-step track but then grateful that no-one opted to do the final-peak on double raisers as I would have then had to match them ) then came home, 'greeted' by 4.2kg of swede mum was selling on for 40p. Swede takes a long time to cook and the microwave oven was busy non-stop for hours. A 2nd 'carb-up' day and I was so focused on my fruits and starchy vegetables that I 'forgot' to eat any non-starchy vegetables - I got zilch, a far cry from the 900g target set by Dr F. As a result at one point it looked like my protein intake would be quite low and I had a turkey portion. One of the things I spent time on was reading about the Kimkins diet and the fallout towards the end of last year when it transpired that the woman behind this plan was still obese and that this 'low-fat Atkins' involved so few calories (e.g. 500) that some people had problems like hair falling out.
By 5.35pm, just before setting of to OA, i have had 1162 calories and 2932 grams of food. It was only at this point, with a bike ride ahead of me, that I became aware of just how uncomfortably stuffed I was feeling. I was still feeling that way around 9pm when I got back. There were 9 of us at this, my home meeting; That phrase now means something, having attended two AA and one OA meetings in the preceeding 6 days. The only other meetings I have previously attended were online OA meetings. I did actualy share (first time in 7 days) though was concious of being the only one or perhaps 2 to share from the non-recovery perspective. I did share how odd it felt to have this week had a couple of 1200-calorie days (as per Lyle McDonald's ultimate diet 2.0 recipe) which just feels wrong given that this takes me 200 calories below my unadjusted RMR, something I would never tell any lean person to do. At 7.30pm when the meeting finished I opted to relax and stay for the post-meeting chat rather than sprint homewards to catch an AA meeting. One OA member was soliciting ideas from another about vegeterian cooking with wheat-free and dairy-free angles to the conversation.
Just before 11pm mum showed up with tonight's shopping and more gifts (amounting to another 17.36kg for £4.02). I spent a couple of hours making sure to cook and freeze sensitive high-carb produce (like diced sweet potatos) to give me the option of low-carbing tomorrow. 9kg of courgettes are spending the night unrefrigerated - maybe tomorrow I'll see sense and swap some potatos out of the fridge to make room for these. If I go low-carb, I may try to minimise food quantities - an active stomach-shrinking objective. Perhaps I'll try going by hunger and only do numerical analysis before designing the last meal(s).
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=233
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Step, [PM] 45 min cycle to OA. 1.75 hours.
Shopping:
160p courgettes(9kg)
57p asparagus(620g)
40p swede(4.2kg)
40p sweet-potato(500g)butternut-squash(500g)
32p cabbage-leek(1.2kg)
30p casserole-vegetables:swede-carrot-babypotato-leek-onion(1kg)
24p spring-greens(520g)
20p parsnips(1kg)
20p cabbage-medley(470g)
10p mushrooms(150g)
9p carrots(540g)
gift parsnips(1.3kg)
gift broccoli(660g)
gift cauliflower(400g)
£4.42
Fruit: 70.2% [1404kcal, 2449g]: banana740 apple233 pear-funsize-tesco207 kiwi-fruit132 grapefruit92
Starchy: 21.1% [422kcal, 1560g]: veg-soup-mix:carrot-leek-parsnip-celery128 potato-baked104 swede-boiled82 parsnip-boiled41 casserole-vegetables:swede-carrot-babypotato-leek-onion31 sweet-potato-boiled30 butternut-squash-boiled7
Nuts: 4.4% [87kcal, 14g]: peanuts-salted-sp29 almonds24 brazil-nut-HB23 peanuts-dry-roasted12
Animals: 4.1% [83kcal, 55g]: turkey-roast-butter50 banana-flavour-whey-powder28 semi-skimmed-milk5
Rubbish: 0.2% [4kcal, 2g]: chewing-gum-honey-lemon3 coffee-instant1
Totals: [4080g] 2000, 50.3g protein (10.1%), 19.4g fat (8.7%), 406.0g carb (81.2%), 3.31g saturated fat, 63.29g fibre, 0.38g sodium. 87 is 4.4%
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Nir
Senior Administrator
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Posted: 20 April 2008 07:25 am |
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Saturday
Woke up, dished out a large amount of raw mushrooms and headed out to the gym. At combat Angela introduced the group to the first 5 tracks from the new Combat (which some of us have been doing with Shey on Mondays for a while) - with us not sure how well she's learnt her choreograpy it is the ultimate test as we're trying to do it from memory, especially those of us who have been put on the spot. At the end of te day she still knows the choreography better than me. She makes a comment about improvements in music in recent releases, and that she originally got into Exercise To Music because of the music. I can relate a bit - I have really been into dancing for much of my life (even though I'm not doing any at the moment) and I don't tend to exercise in the absence of music unless you think of my cycling around town as exercise - I do that to speech. At Pump, Sam was standing next to a man who was a beginner and dishing out teaching points (something I've done myself on ocassion) reminding me of her teaching ambition. If Sam is absent from workouts next Wednesday and Saturday then chances are high she's doing her course the same place I did.
On the face of it today has been compliant with Eat To Live: mushrooms, broccoli and cauliflower accounted for 1.4kg (about 3lb) of food - I believe most people would consider this to be sufficient; with 159g (about 5.5 oz) of nuts and seeds. But wait! if you look at macronutrient breakdown, it also happens to be Atkins Induction: just 23.2g of carbs, and 68.4% of calories came from fat. Oh, and I wasn't hungry. well I felt some fleeting hunger as I was cycling home around 11.30am but the feeling only lasted a couple of minutes. As I've said before, I'd like to experience hunger to see what it is like.
The plan is to do 2 more low-carb days on Sunday and Monday before having Tuesday as a carb-up day (no idea what I'll do after that).
Food: http://nirmk.byethost13.com/staticfood/day.php?dayid=234
Exercise: [AM] 60 min Body Combat, 60 min Body Pump. 2 hours.
Shopping: 0
Veg: 20.3% [243kcal, 1431g]: mushroom-common-raw127 broccoli-boiled66 cauliflower-boiled51
Nuts: 79.7% [957kcal, 159g]: peanuts-salted-sp442 peanuts-dry-roasted118 almonds106 sunflower-seed-hulled64 pumpkin-seed-hb54 brazil-nut-HB49 sesame-seed-JS45 peanuts-redskin-raw31 monkey-nuts29 linseed17
Totals: [1590g] 1200, 71.7g protein (23.9%), 91.2g fat (68.4%), 23.2g carb (7.7%), 14.76g saturated fat, 30.40g fibre, 0.48g sodium. 0 is 0%
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zenobia
Distinguished Member
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Posted: 20 April 2008 10:40 am |
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Nir wrote:
The plan is to do 2 more low-carb days on Sunday and Monday before having Tuesday as a carb-up day (no idea what I'll do after that).
maybe do two "variable eating" days, as McDonald outlines? just to see what happens?
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Nir
Senior Administrator
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Posted: 20 April 2008 01:14 pm |
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| Can you tell me which chapter/book to look at, I hope I'm not being dense but the phrase 'variable eating' doesn't mean anything to me right now
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