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Dobie
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Posted: 20 April 2007 03:43 pm |
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Teena,
As with anything, you have to give it time to work, but I am surprised. If you would care to, please list your activities (high level) and what foods you each and any snacks, gum, candy, etc that you may be eating as well.
The only person I know directly that this has not worked for had children and would often eat food while fixing theirs and really not think about it. But that gives your body more insulin out of turn and can slow down/prevent weight loss for me.
I believe one of the keys of success is to eat at meals but not to continueally eat. This allows the insulin/glucagen cycle to run its course so I am wondering if you have anything going on that might break that cycle.
Hope things are going well or that you let us examine what's happening with you.
Dobie
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Teena
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Posted: 23 April 2007 04:49 am |
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Hi Dobie,
I have been following the diet very strictly after following off the wagon a little on day 2. The only thing I've been eating is what is on my menu for that day. Nothing more nothing less. My excersise level is moderate. I'm a nurse and am running all day long. When I get home I get to chase my kids. I am very careful not to taste or sample what I make the kids for dinner. I have chewed sugar free gum once or twice when I felt hungry and it wasnt time to eat yet. I am trying so hard but I'm at the point now if I eat chicken one more time... But this is day 6 so 5 days more. I think I can hold out. Let me know what you think
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JulesG
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Posted: 23 April 2007 12:41 pm |
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Hi Teena
I am on phase 4 of this eating plan, and I must admit the first couple of phases, I felt the same about Chicken( Google search for ways to eat/cook chicken came in VERY handy)
Depending on your choices, where there is chicken on your list, there should also be another choice( for me it is generally cottage cheese, or hard boiled eggs), but i think generally to start with ALL you see is CHICKEN. I now alterate with the other choice and serve it with home made salsa( chopped tomatoes, small onion, celantro( corriander here in the UK) and the juice of a fresh lime to taste. This has taken away the 'fed up with Chicken' feeling for me.
Also, I googled the calorie/carb/fat value of all meat, and found that there are other meats with similar values to Chicken,( lean pork, venision,lean duck breast, turkey etc) so sometimes I used those instead.
Hope this helps.
Jules
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Teena
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Posted: 23 April 2007 05:47 pm |
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Hi Jules,
Thanks I will "google" some other ways to eat chicken. Wow phase 4! How much weight have you lost so far if you don't mind me asking? I'm now on day 7 and keep telling myself 4 days left till I get my "free" days. Its going to be hard not pigging out but I hope when I see my my results that will make me eat sensible until I start phase 2. There are days when I'm like "I can't do this anymore" but then I'm always able to talk myself into sticking with it because I really want to lose weight!! Are you doing the first weight loss for idiots or the newer version fat loss 4 idiots? Thanks for the support and keep me posted on how your progress is.
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quilterlady
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Posted: 23 April 2007 09:56 pm |
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| Well today is my first day and its a big change for me. I was on atkins for two months and I could eat all the meat I wanted Now I have to eat enough to be satisfied but not full. I know what it feels like to be full but I don< know when to quit when my body has had enough. Theres no feeling for that. Any suggestion?
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Teena
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Posted: 23 April 2007 10:20 pm |
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Quilterlady,
Hi. I generally eat until the hunger is gone. It was really hard at first but but you can do it. I'm on day 7, I was tempted to quit several times but the people here are great. Youll do great.
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BrideInJuly
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Posted: 24 April 2007 09:48 pm |
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 Hi All.....
I've been reading many of your posts, and wanted to join the club! I'm on day 2, and last night I cut up canteloupe & pineapple, and I was looking so forward to having bananas as well........then when I got up this morning and looked at the day to section I realized I couldn't eat all the fruits I could put in my fruit dessert...UGH! Oh well.....so it's been apples and strawberries so far today. Saving my sandwich for dinner.
Yesterday was easy.....I think this plan is really going to work. I did the 6 week body makeover last year and lost 23lbs/21 inches in 6 weeks....but I hated the diet and restrictions. This one lets me eat real people food and seasoning!!
I weighed 196.8 Monday morning, and I'm going for 130-135 (we'll see when I get there!) I'm getting married 07/07/07 and I really want to be at least 145!
My fiance can't believe the foods I can eat on this plan......BACON...lol!!! I seriously love bacon!  Anyways, I hope you don't mind if I join in here......I learned with 6wbmo that the forums helped keep you accountable.
Good luck to us all!!! LeAnn
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Teena
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Posted: 25 April 2007 03:30 pm |
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BrideInJuly,
Hi!I'm happy that your joining us. This diet is like nothing I've ever seen before. Congrats on losing 23 pounds already. I started at 162 pounds and I would like to get down to 125-130. So I'm trying. Congrats on your upcoming wedding!!Thats a great motivation. Well welcome and I'm here for ya.
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bbkitty
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Posted: 26 April 2007 09:17 pm |
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Hi everybody! This is my third cycle (Day #4 today) and I was steady losing 3 lbs per week until this last weekend was my cheat weekend and I had been thinking of what I craved most (tacos) and ate a bunch of them on Sunday and gained back 3 lbs. I was VERY depressed because I felt so great last friday. My plan now is to not plan on eating one of my favorite foods on the cheat days because I CANNOT just stop at one taco (I KNOW THIS) or a 1/3 cup of lasagna. That's a tease to me, so I just am going to avoid that and eat a "regular meal" like a chicken breast, rice and beans or something. Anyway, that being said, I wanted to ask what you guys do when a "special occasion" falls in the middle of the cycle? Do you just skip that day and the next day continue with Day #6 or whatever, or do you start over from Day #1? Because I'm sure there is a method to what order the meal days are in for losing and I just wasnt' sure about that. Tomorrow is a special dinner at a Brazilian restaurant that I must attend and I can eat my breakfast, lunch and snack on the diet but dinner will blow it. I will not eat any bread or anything, and the Brazilian way is MEAT, so I will be eating steak or some variation and I can choose healthy at the salad bar, but in no way will it be like my #4 meal you know?
What do you guys do? Just start from day #1 or keep on the cycle? THANK YOU!
p.s. I am not asking so i can cheat all the time and I'm not asking so I can screw the diet every weekend....This is just unavoidable social stuff and for me this diet is fine as long as I don't have to be in those situations (ie: around other people eating normal food) and I am so happy to be losing weight FINALLY I do NOT want more setbacks, just can't get around this part... THANKS!
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4luvme
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Posted: 26 April 2007 10:09 pm |
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Hello. This is my first time in a forum. I am starting my new diet on Monday. This weekend is my Birthday and we're having a cook-out so I thought i'd wait to start 'til after the weekend. I've got lots of questions.
I've been trying to plan my meals ahead of time because my days are so long. I awake around 7am and go to bed around 11:30pm. How do i know which meals are going to be more fulfilling so I can wait longer between those meals? I'm a stay at home mom and I eat all day now, whenever I want. When one meal is a sandwich can I eat more than one? (I usually eat 2 and not be full.)
As far as the water goes, some days I can drink a lot and others I don't want to touch it. How many ounces is considered a glass? I also red that your body needs water more than food so when you are feeling hungry your body really wants water. I've tried that a few times but found it not very successful. I've tried diets before and I ended up getting pregnant so I would really like to lose the weight this time and not gain more. I have three boys, 6, 2 and 1 years old. I was 110 lbs in and out of highschool and now I'm 160 lbs. My goal is to reach 120 lbs. I've only gained weight from being pregnant because the scale has not changed between those times so I think once I reach my goal it will be alot easier to stay there.
Thanks a bunch if you can help.
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Nir
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Posted: 26 April 2007 10:22 pm |
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bbkitty
Regarding your dinner at the Brazilian restaurant: remember that you can re-order your meals. You don't necessarily need to eat them in the order #1, #2, #3, #4. So if you think that one of the other meals (say #1) has the types of foods that will be available at the restaurant, have meal #1 in the evening.
If you did abort on day X and go back to day 1, you'll miss out on some days in the plan so I'd say continue from where you were, but keep the cycle to roughly its intended length of 11 days - (you don't want to end up with an extra-long cycle, do you?). That's just my aestetic speaking here in this paragraph though.
It takes the consumption of an excess of 10,500 calories to gain a pound of fat, so if you think that's what you did during your cheat weekend you are certainly going to have to train yourself to eat normally during your weekends. However do also please note that this plan is relatively moderate in carbohydrate intake and therefore you may simply have gained water weight due to your temporarily replenished glycogen stores (1 carb gram is stored as 1 gram of gylogen with 3 grams of water, so 2000 calories of carbs equals 500 grams of gylcogen (which is 4.4lb including the water weight)) and equally extra sodium leads to temporary water retention, especially if you've not been drinking sufficient water to help flush it out.
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Nir
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Posted: 26 April 2007 10:27 pm |
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4luvme,
don't have answers to all your questions.
happy forthcoming birthday.
The aim isn't to be full, just to be satisfied, or in other words not be hungry anymore. by the way I belive sandwhiches have to be made from oat-bran bread, not just any kind of bread (look it up with the materials you were provided with) perhaps this will help with feeling full.
I believe 8oz water is concidered a glass.
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bbkitty
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Posted: 1 May 2007 03:44 pm |
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Phew! Thanks for the advice about staying within the cycle. I realized Meal #4 last friday was meat & hardboiled eggs, so the Brazilian dinner wasn't horribly off. Ate okay at the salad bar and then just had alot of steak. I did have 4 of the Brazilian traditional drinks (which are a variation of a mojito) and am very happy to report, Monday when I weighed myself I had just stayed the same! Thank God! This weekend is technically my "cheat" weekend, but I think I'm going to just keep going a little bit more because next weekend is my birthday celebration in Memphis so...
Boy that veggie day is hard for me. But seeing the scale makes it worth it doesn't it?Hope everyone else is staying on track and having a good week.
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butterfly~princess
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Posted: 3 May 2007 11:41 pm |
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| I am new to this program and am really hoping and praying for success. My current weight is 208.8 pounds and my mini goal is to be back into the 100's by 05-31-07. I am liking it all so far but it is just my first day. I am a little worried about my fruit and veggie day. Is the hunger on that day unbearable? I certainly hope not. Good luck to all.
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bbkitty
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Posted: 4 May 2007 02:51 pm |
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butterfly princess, the hunger isn't UNBEARABLE but my first time around with the fruit I felt pretty panicky around 3 pm, i ate some pears and to my surprise I was ok. My veggie days are harder (for me) because I'm used to eating breakfast at a certain time and who wants to eat salad at 7 am? So what I usually do is keep my mind off breakfast and eat my first salad around 10 am and it tastes really good, i eat the other salad around 1ish. The only thing I have to tell you about both those days is you have to keep super busy all day and go to bed early (just my personal plan) if you can. Also keep telling yourself YOU CAN DO THIS. People all over the world are starving not by choice and they make it. I try to look at my veggie and fruit days almost like fasting and just keep my mind off it somehow. All I can tell you is it is SO WORTH IT when you see that scale at the end of the week. And THAT gives you motivation to do it again, and makes you so proud you made it through. GOOD LUCK!
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bbkitty
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Posted: 4 May 2007 02:52 pm |
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| oh, and i forgot to say...i don't think there's any way you can lose 100 pounds in 3 weeks, unless i misread your numbers. but it's possible to drop 15 or so?
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butterfly~princess
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Posted: 5 May 2007 04:06 am |
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BBKitty,
I am sorry for the misunderstanding I should have made myself more clear. LOL!!
I bet you thought that girl has a lot of wishful thinking LOL !!
I mean that by the end of May I want to be out of the 200 pound range where I am now at 208.8 and into the 100 pound range such as 199.9. Does that make better sense? I hope so. LOL!!! I am so silly sometimes.
My plan doesn't have a day of just fruit and then a different day of just veggies. It has a day where I get 1 meal of fruit and 2 meals of just veggies. I know that I do have the older plan though so maybe that is why. The tips you offered are very much appreciated. I will try to go to bed early on that day. A lot of my meals consist of mixed veggies. I am worried that I will be hungry during those times as well. Like you said though there are people all over the world that go without eating at all. I know I can make it on veggies and fruit. I am so pumped about this plan I really pray that it works. I am also doing a cleansing diet on my 3 cheat days per DR.s orders. So I will definitely let everyone know how it all goes. My weigh in day is May 17, 2007. So keep your finger crossed for me. 
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Dobie
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Posted: 7 May 2007 04:11 pm |
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Hey, Princess. How did F&V day go? How are the rest of you?
I blew it on the cruise. No huge regrets as I really enjoyed it, but now I need to get back to it. Hope all is well!
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butterfly~princess
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Posted: 7 May 2007 05:49 pm |
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Hi Dobie,
My F&V day isn't until Wednesday. I am still praying that I will get through it ok.
God Bless
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bbkitty
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Posted: 7 May 2007 05:58 pm |
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Hi! Glad you enjoyed your cruise. I'm going on my first one in September and you hear from everyone how they gained 5-10 lbs so...BUT at the same time, you paid for it, you can be not completely stupid and gorge yourself, but at the same time enjoy food you don't normally get to eat on this diet. That's what I think anyway. Plus, it's only a week, so damage control as soon as you get back is the ticket!
I'm kind of bummed, last Friday was the first time I weighed in I hadn't lost. I was really hoping to be under 125 by now. I'm not quite sure what exactly it was. I am leaving for Memphis for my birthday this Friday so obviously, I'm going to take those days off the diet but as soon as I get back I might have to step it up a notch. I still lift weights 3 days a week and do the core exercise class every day at noon at work and yoga on Mon nites but I have been pretty happy I haven't HAD to cardio with this diet. Just time and boredom mostly, but at least spring is here and I can do it outside. Well that's my story. Hope everyone else is doing good and Dobie, what was your favorite part of the cruise and which ship did you go on? I'm VERY excited for mine.
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JulesG
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Posted: 8 May 2007 12:44 pm |
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Hi bbkitty
On my veg day I make soup with a whole bunch of the listed veg, and start my day with that, then move onto the salad veg for the rest of the day.(Freeze some of the soup for when the plan says to have- a bowl of green veg-which at work would be impossible)
I have also tried the veg chilli( under recipies) for dinner on top of spinach. This was devine, and gave me something other than salad to look forward to.
Good luck
Jules
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butterfly~princess
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Posted: 10 May 2007 12:29 pm |
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Fruit and veggie day wasn't half as bad as I thought that it would be. I have a question though. I know that somewhere in the diet it gives you a list of acceptable fruits and veggies but I cannot find it. Does anyone know where it is at???
God Bless
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bee123
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Posted: 10 May 2007 06:19 pm |
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Hello!
My name is Bianca and I am 21 and I live in Dallas, TX. I am originally from Vancouver, B.C. and ever since I moved south I gained about 20 lbs I've been trying to do some research on this diet and I have yet to hear bad things.
This seems like one of the only active forums on here... why so dead? I was wondering if any of yall have been having any progress?
Right now I am on the cabbage soup diet and am trying really hard to keep with it but would like to try something else.... FL4I maybe!?!?!
Thanks so much!
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bbkitty
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Posted: 10 May 2007 06:35 pm |
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try this diet for sure! i've been trying everything for the last 2 years and this is the only diet that worked (or that i worked correctly!) at the least, you're only out $40 and 11 days of trying. IT IS GREAT! Good luck!
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bee123
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Posted: 10 May 2007 06:51 pm |
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| Oh really? That's great. Yeah 40 bucks isn't that bad! I am 5'9 and weigh 156 right now and am trying to get down to 120-125. Do you think this diet would work for me?
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bbkitty
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Posted: 10 May 2007 07:18 pm |
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I do. Because every diet I tried and even went to a plastic surgeon about lipo and tummy tucks etc. said because I am so short (5'1) and have only about 20 pounds to lose it would be VERY hard for me, which totally sucks. But I consistently lost 3 pounds every week for 2 cycles of the diet. I haven't GAINED any back, but I didn't lost for the first time last week and this weekend is my birthday celebration in Memphis so I'll be "off" the diet but not stupid hopefully. Just really be careful on your "cheat" days. The second set of cheat days I had fantasized about eating tacos again and so I ate 5 of them. Gained back 2 pounds. Super depressing. Now I realize about myself I cannot portion control stuff I LOVE to eat (tacos and lasagna) so I just can't even eat them period. On my cheat days in the future I'll just be sensible and eat maybe some chicken breast, rice and beans dinner or something you know? But seriously, try this. I was so happy I was crying the first week of seeing the scale. And it's so EASY, no weighing, measuring, etc. Just do your shopping list on Sunday nite and get ready for the week and that's it. That's a huge part of it for me too, the whole weighing, measuring food thing drives me nuts. I cant wait to hear of your progress if you start!
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bee123
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Posted: 10 May 2007 08:02 pm |
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WOW! Well its glad to hear you have such motivation. I understand you fall off sometimes... haha I don't know when i'm full either when something is just absolutely delicious.
I' m excited to start now! :)
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Dobie
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Posted: 21 May 2007 12:39 am |
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How is everone doing? Hope all is well.
Dobie
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bbkitty
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Posted: 23 May 2007 04:01 pm |
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hope everyone is still doing good. i'm on day #8 (my favorite...veggie day) today and trying not to think about it. this is really weird, but this week for the first time in 4-5 cycles, i am HUNGRY! i eat scrambled eggs for breakfast and usually i'm good til noon or so, but this week, man, my stomach was rumbling at 9:30! it happened in the afternoon too and i was weak by the time dinner came. i am drinking water, water, water, but i sure am hoping this isn't permanent. has this happened to anyone else? i dont know if there is something weird about this week and my body or??? i couldn't take it if this is permanent. oh, and i wasn't coming off cheat days either, so its not like my body is just craving stuff i just had. is my body used to the diet and its not enough food or protein or? help!
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JulesG
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Posted: 23 May 2007 06:16 pm |
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Hi bbkitty
I too have been hungry, and this is about my 6th cycle of the 11 day menus.
I dont know why it happens, but what I did( in sheer desparation )was to eat the other choice within that meal 2.5 hours after( rather than just one of the choices), then carry on with the other meals the same. So I ended up eating every 2.5 hours for a couple of days. My body then seemed to 'get over it' and I went back to eating every 4 hours.
The other trick I do is to eat home made salsa with EVERYTHING- incl.eggs because this is allowed from the condiment list, and I find it stops my hunger.
Please can I ask you- when you have scrambled eggs, how many do you have??
I stuggle with what is a normal amount?? I have 2 whole eggs or if I feel very hungry I have 2 whole and 1 egg white.
Hope this makes sense
Julie
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bbkitty
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Posted: 23 May 2007 06:39 pm |
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that's a really good idea. if i have it around, i will just eat an apple or something that can't be THAT bad, but the other food choice is a great idea if it's an easy thing to have around at work with me. obviously halibut or bacon i'm not going to have lying around, but yeah...
as for eggs, i'm so used to egg beaters (egg whites) that it's rare i have regular scrambled eggs. so at the cafeteria for breakfast i order 4 eggbeaters. the one time they didn't have them and i got regular scrambled eggs, holy cow, 4 of them was this HUGE plate, they looked at me really funny. but 4 eggbeaters equals like maybe 2.5 regular scrambled eggs. i could probably eat 6 eggbeaters.
thanks for telling me i'm not the only one, interesting that we're around the same amount of cycles too. i'll just keep slugging it out. i told myself when i'm 15 pounds down i'm going to buy myself some article of clothing to celebrate and i really really want to see that soon! good luck with you and thanks again!
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Dobie
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Posted: 24 May 2007 09:08 pm |
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Guys,
If you are hungry after two eggs (about 200 calories), I suggest you are not eating enough. You need to space your calories throughout the day.
Eating every 2.5 hours is great as it speeds your metabolism and you are more likely to keep your calories up to the RMR level.
Even the diet says that if you are hungry before your next meal to eat more.
DON'T starve yourself or you will stop losing and will gain it all back on your cheat days.
Keep us informed on how it is going, okay?
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Posted: 24 May 2007 09:45 pm |
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Hello,
I'm new too, on day number one. I'm not feeling great to be honest, kind of jittery, I wonder if that is a carb withdrawl? I think I didn't eat enough with my meals. I have a business meeting soon during the time when my last meal is, so I guess I'll have to eat after...takes planning doesn't it? I'm dreading tomorrow, fruit day. I usually have trouble with the acidity of fruit on an empty stomach, so not sure what's going to happen with that.
Anyhow, great to know there are some live people out there, best of luck to everyone!
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rayaray
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Posted: 16 July 2007 10:36 pm |
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I am starting today and am very nervous-I usually don't last a whole day on a diet. I begin to feel very deprived and am very visual so I keep seeing junk food I want. Help, has anyone else gone thru this?
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Peter
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Posted: 17 July 2007 03:57 am |
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Anyone else? How about everyone?
Whole day? How about whole hour?
Realize that you've spent your lifetime learning your (bad) eating habits and don't expect to change them in an instant. Don't look at a slip as a reason to give up completely.
Here's a good newsletter on Changing Behaviors.
Also be sure to read the the Tutorial.
You can do it!
Peter
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rayaray
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Posted: 17 July 2007 01:00 pm |
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Peter, Thank you so much for your reply. I read some of the articles and they were very helpful. I made it through the first day intact Ate and didn't feel hungry, amazing!! Again thank you
Thoraya
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lisacna
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Posted: 17 July 2007 05:28 pm |
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| First off I get the junk out of my line of sight. Out of the house preferably but at the least put up where you cant glance at it and want it. Drink the water it helps you feel full , gives you somehting to do with your hands and your still technically putting something in your mouth. I am a binge eater so for me this diet is easier because it breaks my addiction. I cant think about what to eat next ect because it is all written down and doesnt involve alot of cooking or prep. And I have lost weight so fast it really has kept me in awe enough not to cheat. I try to remind myself if I come across a food I really really want then I can eat it on my three day break. YOur never more than 11 days away from any food you want to eat! Lisa
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rayaray
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Posted: 17 July 2007 06:50 pm |
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Hey thanks for the good ideas although the out of sight will be interesting. I live with 2 people who can eat anything, anytime and do so unfortunately its usually not out of sight. I like the 11 day expections and your idea of saving up til then. I think if I stick to this it will break my sugar cravings and if I do want some thing I will be in control. If not I will just try to skip it. But I think total depravation would be unwise.
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firefly
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Posted: 22 July 2007 04:19 pm |
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| Just want to say welcome, I'm new too and new to dieting after living a life of mainly being severely underweight and struggling to put weight on, I'm now at a new place where I have to actually lose some weight now.
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Matymus
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Posted: 25 July 2007 12:17 am |
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OK...I've been reading about FL4I for a couple days now. I somehow stumbled upon it, and it's a bit confusing. I'm willing to put in the 'work' needed to be successful at a plan such as this, but I need to know what I'm getting into. I'm afraid that this might turn into something a bit too similar to Atkins. I was very successful at Atkins, for the most part, but when I'd succumb to cravings, it was BAAAAD.  Not good. Does anybody know if this is similar to the Ultra Simple Diet? (ultrametabolism.com/blog/2007/04/the_ultrasimple_diet_a_more_de.html)
I don't have alot of money to spend, with my first child to be born any day now. But I'm sickened by my inability to keep weight off. I'm sick & tired of being on diets that I have to constantly think about food....journal this, journal that......what can I have today?...what can't I have today?...How am I going to make it through this next party without being caving? Please forgive me if I seem extra-cynical, but to be honest....I am. I've seen alot of great reviews on this diet. But, I'm just nervous about it, that's all. I know I have to give up certain things, and I'm willing, but...the FL4I website tells me nothing I really need to know, until I buy their program. Does anybody have any advice or insight? Please help.
Thank you,
Matt
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Nir
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Posted: 25 July 2007 02:55 am |
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As far as start-up costs go, FL4I is one-off $39, you get an online book and access to a generator. Theoretically the generator is only available for a few months but if you print out or save enough menus then even if you are subsequently "locked out" you till have those menus.
The start-up cost for the ultra-simple-diet is the cost of the (physical) book.
If you're in the market for a diet book that makes sense, I'd like to recommend the one I personally use, Eat To Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman (do you have a Library Service? I've not paid for my book - I just have it out of the library)
Of the 3 approaches I've just mentioned, I'm familiar with the FL4I through reading lots of contributions on this forum; I'm familiar with Eat To Live through personal experience; I also followed the link you posted to read up about the ultra-simple-diet.
It seems that the ultra-simple-diet is going to have you spend $$$ on some supplements. (the other two plans don't).
The thing that is common between ultra-simple-diet and eat-to-live is that both stress the inclusion of lots of fruits-and-vegetables and a reduction in meat/fish, and both emphasize the importance of health. On the other hand, the FL4I generator usually comes up with menus that have quite a lot of meat, fish and dairy - almost every single day.
The FL4I approach is "easier" to follow for those who are not yet prepared to make the full transition to truly healthy eating - those who want a half-way house between junk food and healthy eating.
Some people complain that, because they have to follow the diet produced by the FL4I generator, they have to waste food that is called for in one meal (deli meat, cottage cheese etc.) which then isn't mentioned for a few more days, so that is a concern.
On the other hand, the other 2 approaches require larger amounts of fruits and vegetables, which can also be expensive. [I do my best to eat on the equivalent of $40 per week, but I'm very savvy with my cash]
The decision you have to make is not about money. Either way you'll be spending money to deliberately buy appropriate foods. And whilst I think that $39 is a rip-off for a diet generator, that is neither here nor there. The real decision you have to make is weather you are prepared to switch to a mostly-fruits-and-vegetables diet, in which case I'd recommend Eat To Live (but I'm sure the ultra-simple-diet has some merit too)
If you're not prepared to "go there" just yet, FL4I may be more practical for you, simply because it will have more "familiar" food choices. Familliar, because they are the sorts of foods you were eating whilst you've been "putting on the pounds". But be honest with yourself - if this is the extent to which you can commit to weight loss, then do it that way.
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Matymus
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Posted: 25 July 2007 03:23 am |
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| This is all great information! Thank you so much for the feedback. It definitely is something worth thinking about. I appreciate it.
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rayaray
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Posted: 25 July 2007 04:38 am |
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Hi, I am just about finished with my first 11 days and I have been satisfied with one very spectacular thing for me. I have not been dealing with my sugar, carbo cravings. I am unable to follow the diet exactly bec. of diabetes but am grateful for all the info, reading all the forums, etc. I will let you know how things go, but the four meals a day just make sense to me. Let us know how you do.
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rayaray
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Posted: 25 July 2007 04:31 pm |
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Hi, so glad for your post. What day are you on? I'm on day 10 and its been very interesting I'm a diabetic so my weight loss so far has been small (3-4 lbs) but it's helping me be in control (even if I do go to bed early). Knowing exactly what I am eating has been a huge help to me, for me I'm a bit concerned about the 3 days off but I plan to continue the 4 meals and spacing with regular size meals. Congratulations on overcoming your underweight problem and I'm sure you will do well on this. Thoraya
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firefly
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Posted: 25 July 2007 05:53 pm |
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| To be honest I've not been counting the days I've just made changes. I've not lost any weight so far. I know that it was nigh on impossible for me to gain weight so I'm finding I'm having the same problems losing weight. I've been told to lose weight I need to have 1000 calories a day which is half the amount a woman needs to consume in a day.
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Nir
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:14 pm |
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| firefly: if you are still wondering what this "which day are you on" business is about, scrolll to the top of the topic and notice that it has been placed in the Fat Loss 4 Idiots diet plan, which is a computer-generated plan made up of 11-day rotations (with 3-day breaks). [It is a commercial plan, sold for $39, with a mainly USA market but there are some UK people doing it too.] And like yourself I'm also not following this particular plan, but still have an interest in what my fellow dieters are up to.
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firefly
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:20 pm |
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Nir wrote: firefly: if you are still wondering what this "which day are you on" business is about, scrolll to the top of the topic and notice that it has been placed in the Fat Loss 4 Idiots diet plan, which is a computer-generated plan made up of 11-day rotations (with 3-day breaks). [It is a commercial plan, sold for $39, with a mainly USA market but there are some UK people doing it too.] And like yourself I'm also not following this particular plan, but still have an interest in what my fellow dieters are up to.
Thankyou for the information, no I'm not following this plan but like you interested to hear how others are doing.
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Matymus
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Posted: 26 July 2007 12:06 am |
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Wish me luck, guys. I downloaded this last night and am going shopping tonight. I plan on starting tomorrow. My in-laws come to town on Aug. 8th, so I'm trying to have my 'cheat' days correspond with their visit. I do alot of running already, but I'm curious to see if there are any runners on this board that are currently on this diet...and find out how it's going. I also lift weights, so I want to know that I won't be losing muscle. I'm ok with 'boring' foods at times...it'll just be a challenge getting my wife to be actively supportive with me buying these foods when we're down to one income. We won't have much $$...plus, she's strictly a 'moderation' girl and refuses to give up any chips or anything that will cause me to stumble, so I'll have to be extra careful.
How often do you guys use butter on this? Only when cooking eggs?
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Dobie
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Posted: 26 July 2007 10:19 pm |
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I don't use butter. I have cooked eggs in different ways including buying them in the cafe downstairs where they use an oil, so I don't think it will stop you from losing, but minimze your amount. I use flax seed or olive oil and only enough to spread on my teflon pan.
Snacks can be hard, but remember the whole "Nothing tastes as good as thin feels". It is trite, but true for me. :) Keep drinking your water and if you see her snacking or eating those, focus on your "fun" meals - those you enjoy and look forward to.
Best of luck!
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Posted: 8 August 2007 04:09 am |
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Hello, my name is Dina (Deena) and I have just finished day four today. I weighed myself before starting and am not weighing again until Sunday to check in. I have about 40 pounds to lose (50 if I want to really hit goal) and want to lose sooo desperately. I am finding FL4I so interesting and easy because it's REAL food and there's nothing fancy to prepare. It's basics and for a working mom who's working on a Ph.D. it's PERFECT. My husband is following as well and we are anxious to see how we are doing on Sunday....
Warmly,
Dina
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