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1seekspie
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Posted: 22 August 2007 06:11 am |
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| Oh I had this same problem. Now I try to eat slower but I find it's harder around dinner time/lunch for some reason then it is for breakfast. I also try to drink 2 glasses of water before each meal (but I can't any more because in school you don't get to pee much so I have to wait 'til after). Anyway, I suggest you also substitute water for a craving. Surprisingly, 9/10 times this will work and if it doesn't and you truly believe your hungry, then just eat. No biggie just don't go overboard.
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Nidhi
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Posted: 23 August 2007 02:26 pm |
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Hello,
My weight loss has slowed down a lot and I need to go to a party in a month. Is there any way I could go back to losing 9 lbs every 11 days or changing the diet would help? It is affecting my enthusiasm to do the diet. I need to lose 30lbs but keep getting stuck at my current weight.
I would appreciate your replies.
Thank you.
Nidhi
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Jules41
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Posted: 23 August 2007 04:14 pm |
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Hi,
How long have you been doing the FL4I?
How much have you lost up to now?
I know the 9lb in 11 days is not sustainable over a long period of time . Unfortunately the loss does slow down if you are following it all the time, or in fact, any diet, because your body becomes used to what you are doing.
Why do you think you are sticking a your current weight? Look at what you are doing on your 3 days off.
Without going into the technical stuff that Nir & Peter can give you( far too complex for my simple brain), I would maybe stay off the diet for a whole week,or even 2 but keeping the portions small, NO Rice, NO Pasta, maybe a little bread and boiled potatoes, then after that time, start another 11 day program.
This will fool your body again into the calorie shifting mode, and probably help you loose 7-9 lb per 11 days.
I feel I have to say,I think you are being too unrealistic with yourself if you are saying you need to loose 30LB in a month. 10-14LB would definately be achievable though,and would help those clothes be a little more loose.
Regards
Jules
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Nidhi
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Posted: 23 August 2007 04:59 pm |
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Thank you, Jules.
Your reply really helped. I think I will do that only and leave the diet for a week and then start the 11 day diet after a week and see how it goes. Thanks for teh advice.
Regards,
Nidhi
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Nidhi
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Posted: 24 August 2007 05:30 pm |
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Hello,
I was wondering if it would be ok to change the diet in the middle of the 11 day diet and carry on with the next set day in let's say the vegetarian version?
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lindzzzy
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Posted: 26 August 2007 11:05 pm |
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| I've only tried it once and i lost ten pounds, but what if I do it for a whole month. I exercise 5 days and weight 130 lbs. Veterans how many lbs. did you lose if you did it consecutively for a month or more.
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Rowdy
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Posted: 1 September 2007 04:03 am |
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Hello. I just found this forum today. I've been reading a lot about LF4I and I have a question. I'm a middle distance triathlete. I'd like to lose about 10 pounds. During my long bike rides and runs I usually bring along a sports drink (no fat, small amt of protein, mixed simple and complex carbs). How would this fit into this diet? I might be able to carry real food on my bike rides but I can't picture trying to eat and run.
TIA for your help
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Jules41
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Posted: 3 September 2007 02:28 pm |
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Hi Rowdy
Given your sport, and your usual daily intake, I would say FL4I is not for you.
It promotes NO complex carbs, bigger portions of protein than you indicate you eat and eating 4 small meals a day.
There is a lot written both in these forums and ones specifiaclly for sports people on how to loose/maintain weight for the energy you burn off and what you body specifically requires, I would think one of those would be far better for you to lok at.OR
Ask Nir or Peter via a new topic heading more in depth questions and giving them your height, weight, age and what specifically you do as a middle distance athlete. They get into the great complexities or calories/fat/carbs required for you to 1. loose weight, and 2. then mainain your lower weight
Best of luck
Jules
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Nidhi
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Posted: 6 September 2007 09:44 pm |
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| Any one else have this problem with this diet? What are the solutions?
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foxpaw
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Posted: 6 September 2007 11:47 pm |
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Today is the last day of my second cycle, and so far I haven't experienced any constipation.
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Ohm
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Posted: 7 September 2007 02:51 am |
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I don't tend to suffer from constipation, but I recently discussed this very point withmy dietician, and she said, in her opinion most constipation is caused by not drinking enough fluid. Oddly, she reccommended drinking lots of water over 24 hours and then taking 3 tablespoons of honey or eating a small bar of chocolate. Apparently glucose is a kind of laxative (as in lactulose).
I didn't know this before she told me. Does it help at all?
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Nidhi
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Posted: 7 September 2007 06:33 am |
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Hello Becci,
Thanks for your reply. I don't think chocolate is allowed in this diet. That's a good suggestion though. Actually, I might give it a try.
Thanks once again.
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bookwyrm
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Posted: 7 September 2007 02:17 pm |
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If you want a natural remedy without cheating on the plan, try taking 1 or 2 capsules of Magnesium Citrate. Take at bedtime since it will tend to relax you.
Another remedy is to eat a large portion of sauerkraut. It's a veggie so could be incorporated into your plan with no problem.
Best Wishes,
The Wyrm
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Ohm
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Posted: 7 September 2007 02:30 pm |
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I am just about addicated to sauerkraut - maybe that's why I don't have this particular problem?
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nevd
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Posted: 8 September 2007 02:57 am |
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Water is a good idea. Keeps things moving inside you without too much resistance.
Some bran sprinkled on your meal should help too. And it shouldn't punch a hole in your diet (or you, we hope!)
While, some basic stomach crunches done slowly between meals should help promote natural peristalsis (the internal contractions that expel the waste products). Don't overdo it, though, if you're not used to this exercise.
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Peter
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Posted: 8 September 2007 05:29 am |
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BTW, fiber without water causes constipation! See:
How Fiber Helps You Lose Weight
Peter
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Ohm
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Posted: 8 September 2007 10:32 am |
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Dearest Peter, could I modify what you just said?
In my opinion, it is safer to say that fibre without water can cause constipation - but it won't if you are already drinking more than enough water.
Plese don't be offended. I am sure that this is what you meant, isn't it?
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Pamelina
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Posted: 9 September 2007 05:26 am |
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Hey Everybody,
Could I be an exception to the rules??? I suffer from constipation some weeks severe than others. It's supposed to be "healthy" "to go" at least once a day, right?
I do drink tons of water - up to 3 liters a day! I eat veggies and fiber ( a portion of oatmeal everyday) so I dont know what causes me constipation. I do eat prunes everyday now and then and that helps, but I dont want to over do it to the point they wont work anymore.
To the ones that live in the US , there are this fiber pills or the old fiber powder- which I have used in the past, but it worked the first week or so then it stopped helping- is it safe to use it without making it essential?
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Nidhi
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Posted: 9 September 2007 05:57 am |
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| Thank you for all your replies. Much appreciated.
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Nidhi
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Posted: 9 September 2007 05:59 am |
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I had a piece of bread today with my baked beans. Will that cause weight gain?? Am really worried. Has anyone else gained weight after cheating during the diet.
Also, after reading a lot of reviews of this diet, a lot of them said you lose muscle rather than fat with FL4I. Is this true?
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Nir
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Posted: 9 September 2007 07:27 am |
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If a piece of bread, at between 50 and 100 calories for a slice depending on the brand (did you pick oat-bran, as the program specifies?), makes you gain weight - then you were hardly at a calorie deficit to begin with. One forum member who counted her calories whilst following FL4I reported that she tended to consume 1000-1400 calories on typical days. Mind you that was just her experience - given that in FL4I quantities are not specified and you're supposed to make your own mind about whether you have had enough.
As for muscle loss, any program that achieves a loss as quick as is advertised by this program, and doing so with ridiculously low calorie intake (as above, depends on how much you actually eat) is likely to be partially muscle loss.
My guess is that it is mostly water loss [or rather, water fluctuation - because you always gain all the water back during the cheat days...]
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Nir
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Posted: 9 September 2007 08:02 am |
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Pamelina wrote: It's supposed to be "healthy" "to go" at least once a day, right?
I do drink tons of water - up to 3 liters a day! I eat veggies and fiber
31/08/2007
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01/09/2007
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02/09/2007
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03/09/2007
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04/09/2007
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4,030
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I tend to eat lots of food, mostly fruits and vegetables, as the above list (weight of food in grams, per day) shows. Not surprisingly, I tend to have bowl movements (at least daily). Sometimes I feel a little more constipated than usual - which I put down to not drinking very much [I drink liquids at the gym but otherwise I tend not to drink much on account of the high water content of those fruits and vegetables!]
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Jules41
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Posted: 21 September 2007 11:57 am |
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HI
Where have all the FL4I people gone??????
Having used the 11 day plans throughout my weight loss journey, this time round I thought I would give the maineneance plan a try.- Golly, did I have to use my brain
I thought I was doing ok, till I weighed myself after 4 weeks---- I had gained 7lb !!!!!
Has anyone else followed this side of the plan?? Do you have any tips on making it easier??- (without getting into the counting calories etc stuff.)
Thanks
Jules
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bbkitty
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Posted: 21 September 2007 04:13 pm |
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Hi Jules,
I haven't tried the maintenance plan because I enjoy not having to use my brain on this diet. The most I will "vary" or improvise, is adding a chicken breast to a salad on the veggie days (to keep strength up!) or if I can't eat EXACTLY what a meal calls for I'll substitute an apple or something. I just try to keep in mind only to eat fruit, veggies, chicken & turkey and eggs. That should do something right? I hope so! I just got back from a week long cruise and only put on 4 pounds which I'm grateful for (cause it could of been ALOT worse...i stayed away from all the desserts and only did those frozen drinks once) so now I'm doing this improvising just because of not having all my food items prepared when I went back to work.
This has nothing to do at all with your question but I thought I'd reply because, yeah, where HAVE all the people gone? We need to support each other guys! Let's start up with enthusiasm and encouragement again!
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Jules41
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Posted: 21 September 2007 04:52 pm |
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Hi bbkitty
Thanks for your reply, its good to know I am not alone on this plan.
I LOVE this plan, like you, I love the fact I don't use my brain and it works for me as long as I follow the meals.
I just had a mad spell where I thought I may be clever -lol
Jules
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dancingflame
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Posted: 28 September 2007 07:10 am |
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I think I read that there were some recipes threads, but haven't found any, anyone know anything about it? Thanks, I just finished my first 11 days and lost 7.5 lbs. Wonderful plan! 
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Nir
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Posted: 28 September 2007 09:52 am |
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| try Fat Loss 4 Idiots - Recipes
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dancingflame
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Posted: 28 September 2007 04:05 pm |
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| Thanks! I searched some more and found all the other great tid bits of info....Thanks for the response! (I just posted my ? to soon)
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dancingflame
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Posted: 3 October 2007 08:28 pm |
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| HI I use the Can't Believe it's Not Butter on my first 11 days and still lost the desired amount. I used it sparenly tho.!
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dancingflame
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Posted: 4 October 2007 12:18 am |
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| Hi I'm having the same problem, The first 11 days I did great! Lost 7.5 in total, but now I'm on the next set of 11 and on day 4 and haven't dropped any weight cept the 1.5 lb I gained back during the 3 free days. I am sticking to the menu exact also. wonder why it stopped so suddenly. I also am drinking the 5 bottles of H2O aday! anyone have any other suggestions or tips? thanks for any help I can get!
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Jules41
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Posted: 4 October 2007 06:10 pm |
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Hi Dancingflame
I have been doing this program since Feb 07. I found the weight loss does slow down, but I still would loose more over the 11 days than on any other diet plan.
I also found my body shape changed- less fat in those usual fatty areas( My bottom for one!!!) and my stomach was not bloated and sticking out.
Have you considered trying different food choices. I found for example that if I chose a plan that had nuts in I would loose less on that 11 day cycle, than when I left nuts off my list.
Are you walking every day- for all it says you dont have to excercise, if you have slowed down, pick up the walking again( at the fastest pace that you can manage)
Stick with it-it truely works, but the first week is always the best.
Jules
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dancingflame
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Posted: 5 October 2007 07:28 am |
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Thanks Jules for that bit of info! yes this time I have nuts, cashews, but they were so filling and so good! I had them today.. but less then 1/4 c, just a handfull. I'm not getting very many calories. Ok I will try to mix things up a bit.
Yes I walk everyday I have a dog that has to get out so I do the walking ok. I am on my 5th day of my 2nd cycle of 11 days, and still haven't got to any weight loss numbers, that I stopped at , at the end of the first 11 day cycle. but I can't complain! This is the best I have done. lost 7.5 lbs the first time around. and felt so great...guess that is why I' m so dissapointed with not loosing this time.
Thanks again, for all you help. P
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Jules41
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Posted: 5 October 2007 11:58 am |
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Hiya
But it is only day 4! please try not to weigh yourself until the end of your 11 days.
I would think you should see 4/5lb loss.
Jules
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Jay
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Posted: 9 October 2007 04:51 pm |
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Hello to all,
Most of my knowledge when it comes to losing fat(I dont like the word weight) comes from bodybuilders.I consider them some of the most knowledgable when it comes to losing fat,and not just weight.
The first they that I learned is that most people measure how fat they are in weight, instead of measurements.Since you can lose weights from Fat,muscle,water and carb stores,I consider going by weight alone as a bad idea.
I myself always use a measuring tape to check my bodyfat.I also compare how much I lost by the measuring tape.
So my question is,has anyone measured their fatloss with a measuring tape?
Has anyone really noticed the fatloss?
I myself once lost 4 inches of my waist,and I lost about 25lbs.I could tell that most of this was fat,because of the measurements.
My concern with the fatloss4idiots plan is that the amount of calories seems really low.
Lets use for instance the 3 protein and 1 carb day(I will go with the rule plan,rather than the diet generator).
In order to reach 1200 calories,which is quite low for %99 of the population, you would have to eat 400 calories per meal.Since all the meals are almostly completely protein or completely carbs,then you would essential have to eat 100 grams of protein for 3 meals,and 1OO Grams of carbs for the other meal.
In order to eat 100 grams of protein,you would have to close to a pound of chicken breast(or most meats),or 15 whole eggs(or about 25 egg whites).That is just one meal.
In order to eat 100 grams of carbs,you would have to eat 4 whole bananas, or about 6-7 apples.A plain salad usually has about 2-3 carbs,and it usually require more energy for your body to process then,so its auctually a negative food.
So I am questioning if alot of people are losing weight because they are undereating so much? How much of that is muscle?
I mean lets say you have a meal schedule like this:
Meal 1:Chicken breast,5 ounces,30 grams of protein,120 calories
Meal 2:three egg whites and 1 whole egg:18 grams of protein,and 4 grams of fat, total 108 calories
Meal 3:5 ounces of lean turkey,30 grams of protein,120 calories
Meal 4:2 bananas,salad:53 grams of carbs,212 calories
This would not even bring you up to 600 calories.However I would say that this would be about what a typical day would like like.
Could someone tell me if I am wrong?How many calories are you taking in daily?
And are you sure that you are losing alot of fat,and not just alot of muscle and some fat?
I am not knocking the diet,however I am a little worried about the very low calories, and that fact that everyone seems to judge their weight loss by the pounds instead of auctual measurements.
Thanks in advance.
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Jay
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Posted: 9 October 2007 04:56 pm |
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How many lbs you lose on a scale in not important,what is important is how much fat you lose.Make sure to take measurements.
Losing 7lbs of muscle and 3lbs of fat is terrible,but if you just went by the scale, then it would seem like a great feat(because it seems like you have lost 10lbs of fat, which may not be the case).
Not sure how much fat you will lose,but I can tell you that it definantly varies,and that there is only one way to find out,and thats give it another try(but always be cautious of the muscle loss).
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Jay
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Posted: 9 October 2007 05:23 pm |
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Okay,I must admit that I just used the Diet generator for the first time in about 6 months,and it is definantly a little bit different than "the rules" book,in that it allows things like sausage and bacon and scrampled eggs,which was not listed in the rules part(in fact only low fat proteins and carb only foods was listed).
Still wondering on people's fat loss measurements though,thanks.
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Ohm
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Posted: 9 October 2007 05:34 pm |
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I must just digress a little. When you lose fat, you will always lose the water which is associated with that fat. The fat in our bodies has interstitial water (water in the tissues) associated with it. When you lose the fat, you lose the water, so even the most careful dieter losing weight at the most sensible and slow rate will still lose interstital fluid when they lose fat. Thus, when you lose "weight", even by the most slow and sensible methods, some of that weight will be fat and the rest will be the interstitial fluid associated with that fat.
Everyone criticises fast weight loss, usually implying that the weight loss is in fact just water loss, leaving the dieter dehydrated. This is probably true. Dehydration will make you weight lighter on the scales - but whenever you lose fat there will be an associated water loss. Thus weight loss will always involve some fluid loss. When you diet, some of the weight you lose will always be due to the weight of the interstitial fluids.
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Jay
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Posted: 9 October 2007 06:43 pm |
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Hello OHM,
I really didnt discuss water loss that much,but muscle loss is my main concern.
Tons of people from the bodybuilding and fitness world recommends losing 1 to 2lbs per week.Now of course I and we know that it definantly varies amongst individuals, ( some will lose 5lbs in 2 weeks and some will lose 20lbs) but my main point it that to many individuals judge fatloss by the scale.
If you study many bodybuilding books,they will rarely use the word Weighloss, as they prefer fatloss.I mean if you get a hair cut you will lose weight,if you use the bathroom you will lose weight,if you sweat alot,you will lose weight.
So what I am saying is that I have read that alot of people have lost 20-30lbs with this diet(which is great) but have they lost alot of fat.
In the bodybuilding world,they have something they call the jojo effect.
This essentially means that many people go on diets,and each time they lose a little fat,and muscle.Then they gain the fat back,however now they have less muscle, and a worst metabolism(since how muscle auctually burns calories).In fact,they may have 20%bodyfat at 150lbs,and 1 year later they have 30%bodyfat at 135lbs,because they have the same or more bodyfat,but less muscle.
Though I am curious about the effects of the "fatloss 4 idiots" plan,this can really go for any weightloss or fatloss plan.This is essentially why many plans recommend weightlifting.
According to many sources,when you lower your calories to below your maintenance level,your body does a few things,which is:1.Lowers your metabolism 2.Loses its muscle,since it is calorie expensive(that is,it burns alot of calories) which also lowers your metabolism and 3.Also uses its fat stores.
So my point is that unless weightlifting,almost any diet alone can cause muscle loss.
I am just making sure that those on this plan is losing alot of fat,and not just weight( btw,the waterloss will usually only be 3-5lbs,unless severly hydrated.Since many people are losing 9-10lbs their first week even more later,I am sure that its only a little bit of water,just afraid where the other weight is coming from).
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chati
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Posted: 10 October 2007 04:25 pm |
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Is the oatmeal supposed to be made just with water or can skimmed milk be used?
For the ham , can "serrano" ham be used? (or read: parma or smoked ??) It just says regular deli style.
I´ve noticed that there seems to be a lot of people doing the "old menus". Do many do the new ones?
Thanks
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Jules41
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Posted: 10 October 2007 06:56 pm |
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Hiya
The oatmeal should be made with water. For the ham, I suppose it depends what you have available to you. try what you can get and see from there.
I have only ever used the new version of the plan, but I have seen a lot of posts for the old plan too.
Good luck with the plan.
Jules
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chati
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Posted: 10 October 2007 08:17 pm |
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Hi Jules,
Thanks for your reply. I think I´ll stick with the serrano/parma ham. I think its healthier than the other stuff.
I´m doing the new plan too. I hope I can get as good results as you.
Chati
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foxpaw
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Posted: 11 October 2007 02:07 am |
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I'm one of the people who's last 20lbs. so far on this diet. I don't have any measurements, but I can tell you that I've definitely lost fat around my midsection. I wear size 36 waist pants (men's). When I started the diet I didn't need to wear a belt. After the first couple of turns through the diet I had to start wearing a belt to keep them on. After the next 2 turns through I now have to cinch it up an extra hole tighter.
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure most of that had to be fat.
In addition to that, on a purely subjective level, my face looks less chubby than it did before, as do my arms.
I'm planning on sticking to this diet until I get down to the 170lb. range, so I'll let you know if my muscle has deteriorated to the point that I can no longer stand, or if I actually did lose some fat. 
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Posted: 11 October 2007 02:43 am |
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Sounds like you lost fat to me,good job.Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the reply as well.
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Ohm
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Posted: 11 October 2007 11:17 am |
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Wel done on the weightloss, Foxpaw. Keep it up.
Becci
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ninacoolada
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Posted: 14 October 2007 01:31 am |
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| Hey all. I'm new here.. today is my 3rd day on my 2nd cycle. The first cycle I lost about 5-6 lbs and maintained on my cheat days.. hopefully I can lose a little more on this cycle! Anyways, I was wondering if anyone is vegetarian? I'm having a little trouble finding non-breaded veggie chicken! I can only find breaded but I take it off.... what do you all think?
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Ohm
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Posted: 14 October 2007 02:02 am |
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Hey there. Welcome to CPH. I'm a vegetarian. But I don't understand what you mean - vegetarian chicken? Quorn or TVP, vegetarian cheese, tofu, paneer, all vegetarian, but chicken, well no, they tend to have been born, have sentient motility and movement, have volition, in short to be animals, so most vegetarians don't eat them.
Am I being dense? Sorry, I don't understand.
Becci
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Nir
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Posted: 14 October 2007 02:28 am |
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| They must mean chicken meat analogue (made from soya or Quorn)
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chati
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Posted: 14 October 2007 11:31 am |
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Hi nina
I´m new here too. ( just starting my 5th day) Can´t help you on the chicken thing really but even though I´m not a vegetarian I do use the fillets of quorn now and again when I can get hold of them. I don´t know where you live. I live in Spain and can only get hold of them ( sometimes) in one "English shop" nearby or if I go to Gibraltar. Have a look out for them they´re pretty good.
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Posted: 15 October 2007 06:28 pm |
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Haha, yes I mean meatless.. tofu.. the kind you buy in the vegetarian section.. they're meatless "chicken" patties, but i end up checking the box they came in about 5 times because i think that i'm eating real chicken! the only patties i can find are all breaded.. am i following the diet correctly? what does everyone do for the "soy chicken" and "soy beef" on the diet? and i'm very upset.. today is my fourth day on the diet, second round... and i'm 2 pounds more than i was the day after my cheat days... i'm following the diet exactly... what could be the problem??  Last edited on 15 October 2007 06:30 pm by ninacoolada
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Posted: 15 October 2007 06:32 pm |
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| thanks chati, i'll have to look out for those.. i live in the US and i go to the university of massachusetts amherst.. i'd figure they'd have a variety out here for vegetarians! but i;m having trouble finding stuff
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