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Jules41
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Posted: 25 July 2007 12:05 pm |
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Yes it is DEFINATELY a one time payment. I started this eating programme in Feb 07. Paid once, and download menus all the time.Never had to pay again.
Jules
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Matymus
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:25 pm |
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| Has anybody tried this on this diet, instead of using Molly McButter sprinkles or anything?? Any thoughts?
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lisacna
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:54 pm |
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| I dont think it would hurt. I mean it says ketchup is ok and the butter spray is less calories than that. All you can do is try it and see if your weight loss stalls or notl. Lisa
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lisacna
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:57 pm |
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| Totally possible. If you pick nuts to eat that does increase cost a little bit. but I buy what I need for three days at a time so I dont have any waste .
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Dobie
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Posted: 25 July 2007 07:40 pm |
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I don't think that you can cross over any more. I was able to see/print a copy of the newer version, but it only lasted a couple of weeks before I lost it.
Sorry.
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bbkitty
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Posted: 27 July 2007 03:55 pm |
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i'm just wondering if your body gets USED to the diet menu? I know the whole point of this diet is to shake your body up and around which is great, but seriously the last FOUR diet plans I've done I've had hard boiled eggs and cashews for lunch EVERY DAY (not counting the veggie and fruit days) and it just seems like that could happen. am i totally tripping for nothing? can anyone reassure me on this diet it IS possible to get past that last 10 lb plateau? please dont' get me wrong, i totally love this diet and it's been the only thing to work for me in the last 2+ years....i am kind of a picky eater, so my choices on the menu are the same, but i swear my first 2 plans (which i threw away and am kicking myself for now) were more varied. I love cashews and hard boiled eggs and have no problem eating the SAME thing every day, but i'm just wondering if that could happen.
also, someone wrote that the plan figures out the calorie amount each day and that's how it was kind of shaking up your body...but if you don't have a set amount to eat how can it do that? i thought maybe it was figuring CARBS or protein amounts you know? does anyone know? THANKS!
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Nir
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Posted: 27 July 2007 06:15 pm |
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Obviously you are correct that, as the plan does not specify quantities (instead suggesting you decide how much to eat, based on satiety), different peope faced with the same menu will eat different amouts of calories.
If "that last 10 lb plateau" means you are this close to your ideal weight, I suggest you pay more attention to the calories you are consuming. You may be consuming too little, or too much. You can use the RMR Calculator to figure out how many calories your body requires to maintain your weight at your current activity level and ensure that your meals (whether you follow FL4I or on your cheat days etc.) are a small amount (15-20%) under that figure. These sort of details matter more the closer you get to your goal.
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braiden
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Posted: 29 July 2007 07:03 am |
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I am starting day 4 of the new version and was wondering if any one could tell me why the menu generator isn't the same as the rules in the diet handbook? For example, one of the many menus that I've generated says day 3 is 1 carb/protein meal and 3 protein meals, the rules say day 3 is suppose to be 2 carb meals and 2 protein meals. When I break down how the menu generator listed other meals for me, days 3,4,5,and 7 are all 1 carb/protein meal and 3 protein meals (it's like this on all of the menus I've generated- mulitple days with the same # of carb and/or protein meals), again not matching the rules. I thought the rotation of the food sources were suppose to be more varied. 
Also, looking back at some of the old postings, most of the "success stories" were from people following the old version, has anyone had success with the new version? I've tried to get access to the old version, but it won't let me. So far I've followed the menu generator to the letter, exercised, and have drinken all of my water and haven't lost a single pound.
Last edited on 29 July 2007 07:08 am by braiden
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 30 July 2007 10:54 am |
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Hi braiden, On FL4I there are two diets - The diet handbook is the slow loss diet whereas the Generator diet is a lot faster (the rules for the generator are slightly different too - just before choosing your food choices there is a section - read rules - these are for the generator diet.
I have no info. on the old version, as I have only used the new version. And yes I have lost weight on the new version. Not at the rate of some people ie. I only lose about 2 kg per cycle. Having said that I only have about 3 kg to lose to reach my goal and therefore I think the closer you are to goal the less you lose. My friend has a bit more to lose than I do and is losing at a faster rate.
Regards, and good luck.
M
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Jules41
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Posted: 30 July 2007 12:40 pm |
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Hi Braiden
I have been following the FL4I since Feb 2007( the new version)and had greast sucess on it.
The ' rules are for maintenance purposes, or a lot slower loss rate than the diet generators.
I see you are only on day 4 of your first 11 day cycle. Stick with it BUT do not weigh yourself any more until the end of the 11 days!!!!!
My first 2 cycles the weight didnt move until after 7 days each time- do not compare yourself to those who lost 5 lb in the first 5 days--- your body obviously doesnt work like that.
One other thing- look at your ' satisfied' portion sizes, and are you OVER doing the excercise?- it recommends you brisk walk every day only, if you are following the meal generator method.
Good Luck, its does work, I lost 25lbs and have not put it back on using this eating plan.
Jules
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Jules41
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Posted: 30 July 2007 12:54 pm |
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Hi bbkitty
I dont know if I am too late in replying for you to read this, but I will continue anyway.
On the diet generator, you have 4 meals a day. Even if you are a very picky eater and your choices are limited, You have made the choice to have the meal of Boiled eggs and Cashew nuts for lunch every day- not the diet.
Maybe swap your meal choices around- have the boiled eggs etc for Breakfast, then the other 3 meals during the rest of the day, this then breaks the ' same food- same time' habit.- also for example, are you eating 3 whole eggs?? maybe have 2 whole eggs and 2 just boiled egg whites.
From my experience only- if you start to count calories using the FL4I generated menu's- you are defeating the object of the plan totally. I dont analyse anything, just follow my choices' like an idiot'-lol
To get over your plateau, maybe look at your'satisfied' portion sizes again( have they maybe crept up) and look again at you water intake.
Hope this helps
Jules
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bbkitty
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Posted: 30 July 2007 03:07 pm |
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thanks for responding. well, i choose the scrambled eggs for breakfast and the hard boiled for lunch because it's easiest for me. like i said I'M not sick of it or anything, just wondering about the body getting used to it. i DO drink my water for sure, that's no problem. i did my RMR and it was 1628. the whole great thing of this diet was NOT having to "count calories" cause i can't stand that, but i totally understand when you say the last 10 pounds you might have to. not sure about that quite yet. i have to make the diet convenient for me, and so i'm not going to choose the chicken breast for breakfast just to eat something different, scrambled eggs is easier and makes more sense. if you guys think it has nothing to do with the actual meals and tell me it's possible to keep losing, that's cool. just started to wonder about it but i have to work way harder on my exercise program. i have 6 weeks to lose 12 pounds which i used to think was very possible, but lately it's been a real battle to keep losing 2 lbs a week. and i take responsibility for straying, it's summer and very social and i've been camping alot, which is hard to eat the diet food when you are cooking for a group etc. i was just starting to panic there when the scale didn't move for a week and made me think. thanks for the advice!
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Nidhi
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Posted: 31 July 2007 05:54 am |
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Hello everyone,
This is my third time around in this diet and for some reason I can't stop cheating. I do the diet as it's asked but in between the meals I always seem to cheat here and there with stuff like 1-2 biscuits, a piece of chocolate, etc. I am always craving sugar. Please help. Has anyone else been experiencing this as well??
I am losing weight but only about 4-5 pounds during the whole 11 days. All this cheating is slowing the weight loss. I am stuck at 138 and need to get to 110.
Please advise.
Thanks.
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Nir
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Posted: 31 July 2007 03:51 pm |
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Objectively, 4-5lb in 11 days is 2.5lb - 3.2lb per week, which most dieters would envy. However, if you are regaining this on the cheat days then you won't be making progress, so if that is your issue make smarter choices on the cheat days such as keeping eating to mealtimes, drinking water, only eating till satieted (not stuffed) and having some limit on foods with questionable value.
As for the cheating on 'diet' days, are you eating sufficient amounts during the meals?
Hopefully someone who is currently following the diet can come along with more specific tips. I know the limited amounts of vegetables on this diet (only allowed on certain days and in certain meals) would keep me hungry, so I symphasize with your plight. [have a look at Why Healthy Food Makes You Slim if you're interested]. Then again, perhaps your cheats are not about hunger at all - more an undiagnsed food addiction or aover-eating disorder.
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Nidhi
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Posted: 1 August 2007 03:20 am |
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Hello,
In the diet, it says that you can have iced tea with lemon. So, that means that we can have normal iced tea with lemon?
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lindzzzy
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Posted: 2 August 2007 03:49 am |
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 Is it considering cheating if I include avocado in salsa as a condiment or in salads. I love it, but I don't know if that can affect the weight loss.
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Jules41
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Posted: 2 August 2007 10:44 am |
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Hi
If you are following the download menus then no- it is not allowed at all- avocado does not appear on any of the food listings or in the condiment list..-
If you love it so much perhaps after a few cycles you could replace one of the high fat/carb choices( ie. nuts) with half an avocado, but not all the time.
Jules
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lindzzzy
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Posted: 3 August 2007 02:23 am |
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| Thank God I found a place where people who are going through this help each other out. Thanx I appreciate it Jules41.
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lindzzzy
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Posted: 3 August 2007 02:26 am |
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| Hi, this is my second time doing the diet, the first time i was very successful,but do most of you lose less as much weight the second time.
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Jules41
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Posted: 3 August 2007 11:24 am |
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Hi
I had 25lb to lose in total. I lost 9lb the first cycle then 5lbs per cycle thereafter.The cycle just before I got to my ideal weight I lost 2lb.
What I did find was that my body shape totally changed without doing the 'slog' at the gym. I just walked at a fast pace for 30-45 mins every day.
Hope this helps
Jules
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Peter
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Posted: 4 August 2007 06:51 am |
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I would assume so, the point being that it can't be with spoonfulls of sugar.
Peter
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 4 August 2007 06:53 am |
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Avocado is very healthy food with healthy fats. But it does have a lot of fat, and thus you have to watch how much you eat when you are looking to lose weight.
The same applies to nuts.
Peter
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uglyme
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Posted: 8 August 2007 01:53 pm |
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it's been so long since i've eaten avocado!!  i miss that!!! yummy... .you make me sin that thinking about this so evil-weight-gaining-delicious food... 
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debs21
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Posted: 8 August 2007 02:11 pm |
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Hi,
I have just joined up for this so I have the new menu, but ive been reading old posts & the old menu sounds heaps better, as it has burgers, hotdogs etc.
Can anyone please post or attach copies of the old menu without seafood??
Also, with the cheese slices, do you just have to have that on its own or can you make it into a cheese sandwich?
Anyones help would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
Debbie.
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Jules41
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Posted: 8 August 2007 05:24 pm |
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Hi Debbie
I dont have any of the old plan, but I can help you with your cheese question.
I am afraid you can NOT make a sandwich with the cheese slices. The only bread you should have is on day 2- as stated on the menu.
Because you can eat Salsa with everything, I make my own raw salsa( tomatoes, salad onions and corriander- celanto maybe to you- all finely chopped with half a lime squeezed over it) I eat that with just cheese slices.
Another thing I do , I buy 2/3 small wedges of different cheese( incl Brie,smoked, and blue vein) and have a variety on my plate-dont just have say 3 slices of cheddar.
I hope this makes sense.
Julie
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debs21
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Posted: 9 August 2007 02:34 am |
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Hi Julie,
That makes sense.
Thanks heaps for that.
Hows your diet going?
Debbie.
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lesreg
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Posted: 9 August 2007 03:54 pm |
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Hi
Am new to this but I am on day 8 and am really impressed with the diet, have lost 3 pounds already but I do quite a lot of exercise and have found I have little or no energy and am getting headaches. I went running on Monday and tried a spinning class yesterday and found that I really struggled with both. Has anyone else found this?
Really appreciate any advice as don't want to give up on the diet but don't want to stop exercising either.
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Jules41
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Posted: 9 August 2007 04:05 pm |
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Hiya
If you read all the diet blog, it says your excercise should consist of 45 min qiuck pace walking every day whilst following the download menu's.
I looks to me as though you are not eating quite enough in your portions for your body to cope with the intensive stuff you are doing.
Also the headaches could be from caffine withdrawl, if you have dramatically cut down all of a sudden.
Stick with it, but maybe do less intensive workouts on your forst 2/3 cycles, then increase as your body adjusts.
Julie
PS. you may be given some very sound advise about calorie counting for the energy used in excercise, but I found this does not really fit with this eating plan, you just need to follow your meal plans as they are stated, and de intensify your routine
Julie
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sharharary
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Posted: 9 August 2007 04:48 pm |
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| why can't you have avocado when it says green vegetables?
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Jules41
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Posted: 9 August 2007 05:25 pm |
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Hiya
Avocado is a fruit, and not a vegetable, and is not listed on the plan to have on fruit days.
I suppose like I do, when you are doing mainenance, to have it occasionally would not hurt.
Maybe I took the menu plans too literally, but that is how I lost and kept the weight off. Perhaps a little more flexibility would work for someone else .
Jules
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Nir
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Posted: 9 August 2007 05:45 pm |
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In keeping with the idea that the FL4I is somehow deliberately alternating fats, carbs and protein in some way, why not pick some nuts into your menus, and then ocassionally substitute an avocado in place of them (as avocados, like nuts, are mostly unsaturated fats).
It follows that the same would also apply for olives.
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Jazzper
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Posted: 9 August 2007 08:31 pm |
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I agree with Jules on this one...you are probably not eating enough for your body to fuel itself during your rigorous workouts.
Headaches can also come along from sugar withdrawl as well...when I first cut all of the processed sugar out of my diet I had some pretty nasty headaches  .
All in all I have found this to be an effective program...stick with it and adjust however works best for you in the exercise department (i.e. less exercise or more food).
Good luck!
Jazzper
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lindzzzy
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Posted: 11 August 2007 01:43 am |
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| How many times during your 11-day cycle do you cheat or do you at all, and how bad does it affect the weight loss
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Nidhi
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Posted: 12 August 2007 04:37 pm |
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Hello,
I don't eat beef and in a few of the days of the diet comes roast beef sandwich. Do you think it will be ok to substitute the roast beef slices for fat free roast chicken slices?
Thanks.
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Nir
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Posted: 12 August 2007 04:50 pm |
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| Tip - You are supposed to select foods you like and the generator only includes them. Next time you generate a menu, deselect beef if you don't eat it.
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Nidhi
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Posted: 12 August 2007 07:24 pm |
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| Seems to me that most of the choices are pastrami or beef and they are both beef.
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Ohm
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Posted: 12 August 2007 08:23 pm |
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My family and I also do not eat beef. There are some quorn "beef-style slices" available, which look and taste like beef but are entirely vegetarian and only 17 calories a slice.
Hope this is useful.
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Nidhi
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Posted: 12 August 2007 10:24 pm |
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Thanks, Becci.
I will see if there is something like that available in Canada.
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lindzzzy
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Posted: 13 August 2007 07:19 am |
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| I was doing so good, but then we went on a familiy trip, and i was doing all the cooking so I stopped during my 5th day, but I want to start over three days later. Do you think it will be as effective.
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Ohm
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Posted: 13 August 2007 10:34 am |
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It was available when we were over there last year, so good luck.
B
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Jules41
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Posted: 13 August 2007 11:32 am |
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Hi
To start again is better than nothing at all, but it will be less effective for this cycle.
If you were doing the cooking, couldnt your days choices be fitted in to what everyone else was eating.?
Hope you contine, because this plan works great if you want it to.
Jules
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Jules41
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Posted: 13 August 2007 11:35 am |
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Hiya
Ham, turkey or chicken slices would be ok. As Nir says, if you totally miss out the beef and pastrami on the fenerator, but tick all the other meat choices, it will give you these ONLY in your food choices.
Jules
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Nidhi
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Posted: 14 August 2007 06:04 am |
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| thanks, Jules.
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justus
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Posted: 14 August 2007 08:49 pm |
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Hi, I am a newbie and getting my shopping list ready. I have read so much about this eating plan and am very excited to start. This is my last stop before I give up and have surgery. I am going to give it 110 % and try not to have to go under the knife.
My question is when it says deli-style turkey meat I do know what it means but wonder can I subsitiute a turkey that I roast in the oven. I would like to avoid all of the chemicals and my DH thinks deli style meat is squinchy (texture).
Also does anyone have an idea what " normal sausage links" are ? Do they mean breakfast sausage or just something low in carbs (we are used to carb counting having tried Atkins MANY times).
I would appreciate any help.
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bbkitty
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Posted: 14 August 2007 09:06 pm |
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Hi, not sure about the sausage links, I dont think it would hurt or hinder if you got "low fat" ones, or even turkey sausage for that matter. I don't eat regular scrambled eggs, only egg beaters, so...
As for the turkey slices, I cannot stand the texture of lunch meat all by itself. I always bake a 6-7-8 lb. turkey breast and use the meat for the next week or so. My boyfriend gets to have a turkey dinner with mashed potatoes and gravy and I get the rest!
Good luck!
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justus
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Posted: 15 August 2007 12:52 am |
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| Thanks bbkitty !
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Nidhi
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Posted: 17 August 2007 11:52 am |
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Hello Everyone,
I have a party to go to in 2 weeks and I would really like to lose 10 lbs or more by then. I have seen a diet called "The 3 Day Diet" which says that if done properly you could lose up to 10 lbs. I was thinking of starting the 3 day diet on Monday and carrying on with the FL4I one from day 4. Does anyone have any views/suggestions?
It says that most of the weight loss would be water weight with the 3 day diet but since doing FL4I and drinking about 2 litres of water everyday, there shouldn't be much water weight left and hopefully I could lose more than 10 lbs with the combination of the 3 Day Diet and FL4I.
A copy of the diet is on: everydiet.org/3_day_diet.htm
Thank you.Last edited on 17 August 2007 02:28 pm by
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Jules41
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Posted: 17 August 2007 01:06 pm |
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Hi There
This 3 day diet has been around for many years. It was originaaly advertised as the ' hospital' diet, and was supported ( apparently) by the British heart Foundation, and used by people who had to drop weight fast before going into hospital for surgery.
It does work but not to the 10lb it states, unless you are very overweight.
It cant do you any harm to try it for the 3 days, then go onto FL4I, I would guess you would drop prob 7 lbs.BUT I think you would get the same effect from doing the FL4I from today/tomorrow for the next 2 weeks, and you would not be damaging your system by too quick a drop in calories.( I lost 9lb on my first cycle of FL4I and I only had 25LB to loose in total)
Good luck
Jules
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Nir
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Posted: 17 August 2007 02:26 pm |
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Nidhi wrote: there shouldn't be much water weight left and hopefully I could lose more than 10 lbs with the combination of the 3 Day Diet and FL4I.
If I am understanding you correctly, you are displaying some faulty logic here.
You are saying "I know that normally some/most of what I lose on FL4I is water weight" [correct, well done for noticing  ]
It then looks like you are thinking "I can either lose water or fat, I can't lose both at the same time, I have to lose water first, let's get the water lost ASAP so I can lose some fat".
If I got your meaning wrong, never mind.
If I got your meaning right, well, water and fat loss are independent.
That means:
you can lose water without losing any fat (e.g. drink water and reduce sodium consumption)
You can lose fat without losing any water (e.g. continue maintaining a calorie-deficit without fluctuations in sodium intake)
and your body can lose both simultaneously. one does not affect the other.
any clearer?
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Nidhi
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Posted: 17 August 2007 04:56 pm |
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Hello Jules,
I have done the FL4I diet for about 4 times now and the weight started slowing down. This is the reason that I wanted to combine the two to achieve maximum weight loss. I weigh 130 lbs and need to lose another 30 to get to my goal weight but before that I would like to lose somewhere around 10 lbs before the party.
Thank you.
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