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rayaray
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Posted: 17 July 2007 01:09 pm |
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Thank you for the tip about the water-it sounds practical and I'll start doing it today. How long have you been on the diet? In your other post you mentioned seeing my doctor about the diet and the book-I'd appreciate any other good tips. Thanks again
Thoraya
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Nir
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Posted: 17 July 2007 02:23 pm |
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| was there no online book (PDF format) to download when you purchased the plan?
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lisacna
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Posted: 17 July 2007 05:20 pm |
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| ended the second cycle today and have now lost 18 pounds. I cant wait till tomorrow to eat what I have been wanting for a whole week now. But in moderation!!! Lisa
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lisacna
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Posted: 17 July 2007 05:29 pm |
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| I have been using skim with out a problem. Lisa
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lisacna
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Posted: 17 July 2007 05:34 pm |
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| Just wondering if anyone on here has lost over 50 pounds doing fat loss 4 idiots? I have been doing it and really losing weight. I have alot more to go. Wondering if the weight loss will slow and also wondering if I am losing muscle. Any tips to not lose muscle? Lisa
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rayaray
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Posted: 17 July 2007 06:44 pm |
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Thank you for your suggestions, they jogged a memory for me of when I was 19 and first diagnosed. The docs were trying to keep me off insulin and so my meals were very specific and divided up into 4 or 5 meals. Always when I ate fruit I had to eat a protien. I am going to try that on all fruit and all veggie days and see how that goes as well as see the doc. I'll let you know how it goes. Yesterday was good, 
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Nir
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Posted: 17 July 2007 07:09 pm |
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the plan has sufficient protein, so as long as you do some regular resistance-training exercises you should be able to retain your muscles.
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momof2girls
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Posted: 18 July 2007 03:40 am |
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| Ok. So I just joined here. I am at a complete loss. I have 2 children. A 6 yr. old and a soon-to-be 4 yr. old. With my first child, I hit 270 lbs, and that was from 180. I managed to lose every pound of that weight. Then I had my 2nd child. I am now 226lbs. I can' get the weight off. I have been to the doctor to have my thyroid checked. I have bought a treadmill. I watch what I eat. I can't lose 1 pound. Infact, I just keep gaining and gaining. If someone has any idea what I can do...please, help!
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rayaray
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Posted: 18 July 2007 03:54 am |
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Are baked beans like baked beans in the can or like pinto beans?
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lisacna
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Posted: 18 July 2007 05:39 am |
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| Well I am using fat loss for idiots and it is working well for me. If you have been medically checked out then you could think about medications. Some of them cause weight gain hormones like birthcontrol is a biggie for weight gain. some antidepressant medications also cause weight gain. Then if you have been calorie restricting then you may not be eating enough as strange as that sounds. I dont mean eating junk but good nutrition. The body can hold on to fat if it believes it needs to like in times of starvation. but truly I am amazed by the fat loss for idiots program. I cant yet decide if it is the healthiest thing i have ever done but it certainaly isnt the worst and it works. good luck to you ! Lisa
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Nir
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Posted: 18 July 2007 06:32 am |
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momof2girls wrote: I watch what I eat. I can't lose 1 pound.
How many calories do you eat per day? (assuming that you count calories)
Have you read the Tutorial yet?
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momof2girls
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Posted: 18 July 2007 08:58 am |
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| I eat some where between 1200-1700...it varies.
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Nir
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Posted: 18 July 2007 09:48 am |
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It sounds like you're eating at an appropriate level [it is lower than your unadjusted RMR, which is sometimes a concern, but at the same time this seems to be less a problem if you are obese.]
Are you splitting your eating into multiple meals throughout the day? Are you eating a sufficient amount of protein? are you keeping % of calories from fat at under 25%?
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 18 July 2007 10:53 am |
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Hi, I queried this in another topic - I have copied the response I received from Nir.
Nutrition information for Pinto beans (tin I have here at home):
per 100g (drained): 115kcal, 5.9g protein, 21.5g carb, 1.1g fat.
By the way, 'baked beans' generally refer to the Haricot variety. I think the answer is yes (irrespective of whether you are including or excluding the tomato sauce that baked beans are typically tinned in).
In general beans all have very similiar nutritional properties.
Cio. Mrs.B
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 18 July 2007 11:26 am |
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Hi Lisa, 18 pounds is absolutely great. Well done!!! I have been following your progress as I am also doing FL4I, but am not having the success you are. I am not fazed by this though, as I want to lose my last 11 pounds slowly before going onto some sort of maintenance. You asked somewhere on the forum if the weight loss will slow down. I am now on my third phase, and it has slowed with each phase, but it could also be that I am getting closer to goal? I have a friend who has joined me on the diet, who is losing faster than me, but not as fast as you!!! She has a little more to lose than I do. Will let you know her progress... re. the w.l slowing down.
Cheers and keep it up!
M.
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Nidhi
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Posted: 18 July 2007 01:13 pm |
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Hello,
I am on my 3rd 11 day diet in the WL4I. I have lost 9 pounds each time in the first 2 11 days but this time I have only lost 5. I am doing the diet as it exactly says but no more than 5 pounds. How can I lose more? What else can I do? I don't get any time for exercise as I have a 2 year old and a 3 month old.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
I want to lose about 30 more pounds. I am 139 lbs and am 5 ft tall.
Please help.
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Nir
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Posted: 18 July 2007 01:28 pm |
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have patience
Let's get realistic here. Going by BMI, you were obese when you started, you are currently overweight. losing 9lb every 2 weeks is 4.5lb per week. That is an unrealistic rate of weight loss. It cannot be sustained. Accoring t ACSM (American College of Sports Medicine) it is safe and healthy for men to lose 1-2lb per week, 1-1.5lb for women. That's as far as fat loss goes.
I am presuming here that you wanted to lose fat, please let me know if you wanted to lose muscle mass. It might help to read What It Takes to Lose It All and don't forget to check out the Tutorial
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rayaray
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Posted: 18 July 2007 03:29 pm |
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| Mrs. Bean, again you are very helpful, thank you. Got thru my fruit day with eating sliced turkey with fruit. I felt OK but next time will do other protein meals from another day. I don't want to upset my blood sugar so much I've lost three pounds and to be honest if I lose 3 to 5 lbs a cycle I will be more than pleased as I feel satiated on this diet
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 18 July 2007 03:31 pm |
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| Hi, me again. I was just wondering at what time intervals you are having your meals. Do you have meal 1 really early to get your metabolism going? If so approx. how much time do you leave between meals. Thx. M
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lisacna
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Posted: 18 July 2007 04:37 pm |
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| I have 4 children here so I start my day early around 7 most days. I eat right when I get up. Usually space the first three meals about 3 hours apart but the 4th I eat a bit later in the day so I can eat with the family at a normal dinner meal time. The only other thing I do that I think is helping is----I walk on my treadmill. I cant do a whole hour of walking at once because it is boring . So I walk ten minutes 6 times throughout the day. Plus I have a good50 pounds to lose yet and I am sure that makes a difference. That is why I was curious if anyone else has lost alot of weight this way! Thanks for supporting me on my journey Lisa
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lisacna
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Posted: 18 July 2007 04:44 pm |
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| Looks like I joined about the same time as you--I am betting my weight loss will also slow with the next cycle . 5 pounds is still really good thats over two per week! Not the nine you were hoping for. I know how that goes. I put all this weight on over 5 years but want to take it all off in a month. I dont think you have done anything wrong on the diet I think it is just a normal slow down. Lisa
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rayaray
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Posted: 18 July 2007 06:42 pm |
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Hi, maybe you can do 10 min 2-3 times a day. Maybe walk around house while baby is asleep, or holding baby if awake. Anything is probably better than nothing. Lots of luck, let us know how you do.
Thoraya
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nevd
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Posted: 18 July 2007 07:16 pm |
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I'd alternate weights days with cardio days (you can use water-filled bottles rather than proper weights). Nothing burns calories like added muscle does.
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Nidhi
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Posted: 20 July 2007 04:36 am |
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| thanks for your replies, lisacna and rayaray.
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nevd
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Posted: 20 July 2007 06:40 pm |
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Don't know that much about the regime, but I see posts about 'fruit-only' days. So, where's the protein come from?
As is generally agreed, it's best to have protein with most meals (if not every one).
I would have thought that, on a low-protein day, there's a better-than-even chance of losing some muscle. I'd worry if days like that crop up often.
Just musing...
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Nir
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Posted: 20 July 2007 07:15 pm |
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the old plan had a fruit-and-veg day, so you could get your protein from veg (and some people included legumes in that).
the new plan has separate veg-day and fruit-day. The fruit-day has a sandwich, so that's a protein opportunity (but only for one of the meals!). This happens once every 14 days [cycles are 11 days, with 3-day breaks]
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lisacna
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Posted: 20 July 2007 09:09 pm |
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| starting cycle number three today after my three days off. Gained 4 pounds on the break but praying that is water. So really loading up on my water. Will continue to post my progress here. lisa
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Nidhi
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Posted: 21 July 2007 11:12 pm |
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Hello,
How did you manage to lose 11 lbs and also only gain back 1 lb in your cheat days. What is your secret?? What did you eat on your cheat days? Please advise. I am desparately trying to lose 30 lbs and after my second 11 day diet am struggling to lose weight.
Regards.
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lisacna
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Posted: 22 July 2007 02:26 am |
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| no real secret---after my first cycle I ate what I wanted but stopped before I was full. I drank my water and continued to walk everyday. Thats how I only gained back one. This cycle--- I didnt do as well but I also really over did things. good luck to you lisa
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Nidhi
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Posted: 22 July 2007 11:58 pm |
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Hello,
Does any one have a copy of the old version? I would love a copy.
Thanks.
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lisacna
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Posted: 24 July 2007 04:55 pm |
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Well this is day 5 of my third cycle and I just now lost the four pounds I gained. this cycle is not looking great. I am a bit ticked at myself for eating so much on the last three day break. Have also slacked on my walking and water which fyi for everyone has dramatically slowed down weight loss. As of today I will drink the water and do my walking and will see how much I can lose in the last six days of this cycle.
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lisacna
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Posted: 24 July 2007 04:57 pm |
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| There was a thread somewhere on this board about how to change versions. Not sure where I read it but I think it was posted by dobie?
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Matymus
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Posted: 25 July 2007 12:46 am |
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| To those who have been on FL4I for awhile....do you notice you're spending more at the grocery store?? If I decide to do this, is it possible to do it on $50-65 a week in groceries?
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Matymus
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Posted: 25 July 2007 12:57 am |
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| Is it truly a one-time payment for the menu generator & such, or are you paying $$ every so often??
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Nir
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Posted: 25 July 2007 09:08 am |
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| This topic explains how, if you are still on the old version, you can also access the new version. However, if you signed up after the new version became current, I don't believe it is possible to go back to it. The best you can do is get a feel for what it was like by reading the general discussion thread.
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Jules41
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Posted: 25 July 2007 12:01 pm |
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Hi
I actually found i spent less on groceries. The meals are so structured that I had no waste food, as I used all that I bought during the course of the week.
I think you can do this programme no problem on your given budget.
Good Luck
Jules
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Jules41
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Posted: 25 July 2007 12:05 pm |
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Yes it is DEFINATELY a one time payment. I started this eating programme in Feb 07. Paid once, and download menus all the time.Never had to pay again.
Jules
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Matymus
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:25 pm |
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| Has anybody tried this on this diet, instead of using Molly McButter sprinkles or anything?? Any thoughts?
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lisacna
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:54 pm |
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| I dont think it would hurt. I mean it says ketchup is ok and the butter spray is less calories than that. All you can do is try it and see if your weight loss stalls or notl. Lisa
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lisacna
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Posted: 25 July 2007 06:57 pm |
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| Totally possible. If you pick nuts to eat that does increase cost a little bit. but I buy what I need for three days at a time so I dont have any waste .
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Dobie
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Posted: 25 July 2007 07:40 pm |
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I don't think that you can cross over any more. I was able to see/print a copy of the newer version, but it only lasted a couple of weeks before I lost it.
Sorry.
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bbkitty
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Posted: 27 July 2007 03:55 pm |
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i'm just wondering if your body gets USED to the diet menu? I know the whole point of this diet is to shake your body up and around which is great, but seriously the last FOUR diet plans I've done I've had hard boiled eggs and cashews for lunch EVERY DAY (not counting the veggie and fruit days) and it just seems like that could happen. am i totally tripping for nothing? can anyone reassure me on this diet it IS possible to get past that last 10 lb plateau? please dont' get me wrong, i totally love this diet and it's been the only thing to work for me in the last 2+ years....i am kind of a picky eater, so my choices on the menu are the same, but i swear my first 2 plans (which i threw away and am kicking myself for now) were more varied. I love cashews and hard boiled eggs and have no problem eating the SAME thing every day, but i'm just wondering if that could happen.
also, someone wrote that the plan figures out the calorie amount each day and that's how it was kind of shaking up your body...but if you don't have a set amount to eat how can it do that? i thought maybe it was figuring CARBS or protein amounts you know? does anyone know? THANKS!
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Nir
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Posted: 27 July 2007 06:15 pm |
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Obviously you are correct that, as the plan does not specify quantities (instead suggesting you decide how much to eat, based on satiety), different peope faced with the same menu will eat different amouts of calories.
If "that last 10 lb plateau" means you are this close to your ideal weight, I suggest you pay more attention to the calories you are consuming. You may be consuming too little, or too much. You can use the RMR Calculator to figure out how many calories your body requires to maintain your weight at your current activity level and ensure that your meals (whether you follow FL4I or on your cheat days etc.) are a small amount (15-20%) under that figure. These sort of details matter more the closer you get to your goal.
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braiden
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Posted: 29 July 2007 07:03 am |
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I am starting day 4 of the new version and was wondering if any one could tell me why the menu generator isn't the same as the rules in the diet handbook? For example, one of the many menus that I've generated says day 3 is 1 carb/protein meal and 3 protein meals, the rules say day 3 is suppose to be 2 carb meals and 2 protein meals. When I break down how the menu generator listed other meals for me, days 3,4,5,and 7 are all 1 carb/protein meal and 3 protein meals (it's like this on all of the menus I've generated- mulitple days with the same # of carb and/or protein meals), again not matching the rules. I thought the rotation of the food sources were suppose to be more varied. 
Also, looking back at some of the old postings, most of the "success stories" were from people following the old version, has anyone had success with the new version? I've tried to get access to the old version, but it won't let me. So far I've followed the menu generator to the letter, exercised, and have drinken all of my water and haven't lost a single pound.
Last edited on 29 July 2007 07:08 am by braiden
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 30 July 2007 10:54 am |
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Hi braiden, On FL4I there are two diets - The diet handbook is the slow loss diet whereas the Generator diet is a lot faster (the rules for the generator are slightly different too - just before choosing your food choices there is a section - read rules - these are for the generator diet.
I have no info. on the old version, as I have only used the new version. And yes I have lost weight on the new version. Not at the rate of some people ie. I only lose about 2 kg per cycle. Having said that I only have about 3 kg to lose to reach my goal and therefore I think the closer you are to goal the less you lose. My friend has a bit more to lose than I do and is losing at a faster rate.
Regards, and good luck.
M
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Jules41
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Posted: 30 July 2007 12:40 pm |
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Hi Braiden
I have been following the FL4I since Feb 2007( the new version)and had greast sucess on it.
The ' rules are for maintenance purposes, or a lot slower loss rate than the diet generators.
I see you are only on day 4 of your first 11 day cycle. Stick with it BUT do not weigh yourself any more until the end of the 11 days!!!!!
My first 2 cycles the weight didnt move until after 7 days each time- do not compare yourself to those who lost 5 lb in the first 5 days--- your body obviously doesnt work like that.
One other thing- look at your ' satisfied' portion sizes, and are you OVER doing the excercise?- it recommends you brisk walk every day only, if you are following the meal generator method.
Good Luck, its does work, I lost 25lbs and have not put it back on using this eating plan.
Jules
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Jules41
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Posted: 30 July 2007 12:54 pm |
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Hi bbkitty
I dont know if I am too late in replying for you to read this, but I will continue anyway.
On the diet generator, you have 4 meals a day. Even if you are a very picky eater and your choices are limited, You have made the choice to have the meal of Boiled eggs and Cashew nuts for lunch every day- not the diet.
Maybe swap your meal choices around- have the boiled eggs etc for Breakfast, then the other 3 meals during the rest of the day, this then breaks the ' same food- same time' habit.- also for example, are you eating 3 whole eggs?? maybe have 2 whole eggs and 2 just boiled egg whites.
From my experience only- if you start to count calories using the FL4I generated menu's- you are defeating the object of the plan totally. I dont analyse anything, just follow my choices' like an idiot'-lol
To get over your plateau, maybe look at your'satisfied' portion sizes again( have they maybe crept up) and look again at you water intake.
Hope this helps
Jules
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bbkitty
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Posted: 30 July 2007 03:07 pm |
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thanks for responding. well, i choose the scrambled eggs for breakfast and the hard boiled for lunch because it's easiest for me. like i said I'M not sick of it or anything, just wondering about the body getting used to it. i DO drink my water for sure, that's no problem. i did my RMR and it was 1628. the whole great thing of this diet was NOT having to "count calories" cause i can't stand that, but i totally understand when you say the last 10 pounds you might have to. not sure about that quite yet. i have to make the diet convenient for me, and so i'm not going to choose the chicken breast for breakfast just to eat something different, scrambled eggs is easier and makes more sense. if you guys think it has nothing to do with the actual meals and tell me it's possible to keep losing, that's cool. just started to wonder about it but i have to work way harder on my exercise program. i have 6 weeks to lose 12 pounds which i used to think was very possible, but lately it's been a real battle to keep losing 2 lbs a week. and i take responsibility for straying, it's summer and very social and i've been camping alot, which is hard to eat the diet food when you are cooking for a group etc. i was just starting to panic there when the scale didn't move for a week and made me think. thanks for the advice!
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Nidhi
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Posted: 31 July 2007 05:54 am |
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Hello everyone,
This is my third time around in this diet and for some reason I can't stop cheating. I do the diet as it's asked but in between the meals I always seem to cheat here and there with stuff like 1-2 biscuits, a piece of chocolate, etc. I am always craving sugar. Please help. Has anyone else been experiencing this as well??
I am losing weight but only about 4-5 pounds during the whole 11 days. All this cheating is slowing the weight loss. I am stuck at 138 and need to get to 110.
Please advise.
Thanks.
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Nir
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Posted: 31 July 2007 03:51 pm |
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Objectively, 4-5lb in 11 days is 2.5lb - 3.2lb per week, which most dieters would envy. However, if you are regaining this on the cheat days then you won't be making progress, so if that is your issue make smarter choices on the cheat days such as keeping eating to mealtimes, drinking water, only eating till satieted (not stuffed) and having some limit on foods with questionable value.
As for the cheating on 'diet' days, are you eating sufficient amounts during the meals?
Hopefully someone who is currently following the diet can come along with more specific tips. I know the limited amounts of vegetables on this diet (only allowed on certain days and in certain meals) would keep me hungry, so I symphasize with your plight. [have a look at Why Healthy Food Makes You Slim if you're interested]. Then again, perhaps your cheats are not about hunger at all - more an undiagnsed food addiction or aover-eating disorder.
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