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Peter
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Posted: 4 June 2007 03:03 am |
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I remember having sausage in a meat pie in a pub west of London near Atlas Labs. Now, to me, that was weird! 
Peter
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Dobie
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Posted: 4 June 2007 08:07 pm |
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kimi wrote: 1. Can i take vitamin pills and Omega3 tablets during the 11days? The diet rotations don't seem to provide enough vitamins and minerals to the body though......
I take my vitamins and minerals in paralell to this diet, absolutely.
2. Why the fish choices only....Halibut type? What's wrong with other types of fish?
I don't care for fish, but if you compare nutrional fat and calories, you should be okay with substituting.
3. The rules mention coffee and iced tea. I supposed "hot" tea like green tea and chinese tea are ok as long as no sugar in it?
Yes, any drink with <10 calories per cup is listed as no problem.
4. Cheat days--To eat normally means i can have beer/wine?
Wine is listed as a glass a day at most. Any alcohol is going to hurt efforts toward weight loss. As with all things like this, I recommend NOT drinking at first and see what weight loss is possible. Then when you add it, you can see what affect it has on your weight loss.
It is not ideal for many to not be able to drink, but sacrifices must be made to lose weight. it won't be over night and it takes effort.
5. Would there be any difference if i reduce the cheat days to 2 or 1 day?
Yes, it can hurt you. The author's add this in so that your body is not in starvation mode. I don't think 3 out of 11 is enough, but the idea is that you need to reset your calorie in take and this is what they use the cheat days for. Don't shorten them, but if you want to watch your calories, that day, then keep them to a moderate level. http://www.CaloriesPerHour.com does a great job of explaining what you need so you can learn what is reasonable on the cheat days.
I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck!
Dobie
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gracefortoday2
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Posted: 10 June 2007 01:15 am |
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| THE RULES STATE THAT ANY DRINK IS ALLOWABLE AS LONG AS THE TOTAL CALORIES ARE 10 CALS OR LESS....4 CREAMS SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE HIGHER THAN 10 CALS BUT I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I DON'T USE IT GOOD LUCK
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acechec
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Posted: 10 June 2007 10:54 pm |
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Hi I'm new to this so please excuse me if this topic has already been asked. I started the fatloss 4 idiots about a week ago. I did the weight loss generator and chose the lose 9pounds in 11days plan. I just want to know if you cheat too early do you need to start the process over? What happend was I started the 1st day and made it through and the 2nd I started but by around 7pm I cheated. Then on days 3-7 I did great and followed through. I lost 10pounds! But then I decided to cheat on my 8,9,10th days. I gain 4pounds back. So if you can see I started the cheat day early. Today (June 10 2007) I started again and went back to the diet generator and chose a new menu. This time I'm gonna try to do it right. This is a good diet but hew! for me it was extremely hard the first week. Almost like detox from fast food. Below I listed some questions to see if anyone can help. I sure wish fatloss 4 idiots would update there FAQs area and put some of my own questions down.
What to do if you cheated too early?
Why do you gain the weight back a little fast?
Is it just water first that will be lost or fat? seems like water since I gained the weight back so fast?
Do you need to exercise if you do the 11day diet? what would happen if you do decide to excercise using the 11day diet?
I hope someone can help and thanks for anyone who started this forum. Good Luck to everyone!!
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gracefortoday2
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Posted: 10 June 2007 11:26 pm |
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I don't know if anyone would know this but...
some days I am just not hungry for the 4th meal and I only eat three meals...do you think this will affect the weight loss?
My weight loss has been steady...so far 19 pounds in 1.5 cycles.
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kimi
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Posted: 11 June 2007 12:34 pm |
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Hello all, just want a quick clarification on regular cheese slices in the diet plan. I don't care if admin will tell me to shut up or not, i just need to make the cheese part clear.
The diet plan says Regular Cheese Slices. What i'm condused is the word "slices". Does it mean it's only those suqare slices in pack of 20s?
However, it does say ANY type of cheese, so how about cheddar, brie, swiss or even blue cheese?
Kimi
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JulesG
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Posted: 11 June 2007 01:49 pm |
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Hi Kimi
When I started back in February, I asked the same question and got no response. I can tell you what worked for me.
I stared off using the slices of real cheese that are now in all the supermarkets. I used to have 2 slices of Low fat cheddar and 2 slices of Leerdammer light, with salsa when it was my cheeses slices option.
Now I have any type of cheese I fancy ( incl Brie, blue cheese and Wensleydale) BUT, I control the portion size to 150g IN TOTAL of any combination in one 'regular cheese slices' option, but still have my salsa with it.
I hope this helps
Jules
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Seattleshellie
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Posted: 12 June 2007 06:59 am |
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I noticed on cycle 1 you can have some fish . Do you think you can have crab? I can have ham and it is higher in fat and less in protien. 
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 12 June 2007 05:47 pm |
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Hi All, I would love a little clarity on Pinto Beans - On the new version under Veggies, we are allowed Pinto beans - Unable to locate in South Africa - would I be able to substitute with Baked beans asd we have these in abundance!!! I would like to make the chillie vegetable recipe, but only with baked beans and ommitting all the other beans - do you think this would be a problem?
Cheers,
Mrs Bean
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Nir
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Posted: 12 June 2007 06:02 pm |
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Nutrition information for Pinto beans (tin I have here at home):
per 100g (drained): 115kcal, 5.9g protein, 21.5g carb, 1.1g fat.
By the way, 'baked beans' generally refer to the Haricot variety. I think the answer is yes (irrespective of whether you are including or excluding the tomato sauce that baked beans are typically tinned in).
In general beans all have very similiar nutritional properties.
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Dobie
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Posted: 13 June 2007 10:02 pm |
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My recommendation has always been to stick to what they say and ensure it works and the substitute as you see fit knowing the benefits possible and tracking them so that if you don't lose weight, you know what is different.
You can do it the other way, of course, if the nutrional value of fish and crab are the same. however, you can't compare the nutrition of crab to ham since you are not substituting crab for ham. See what I mean? You are adding cholesterol/fat or whatever crab has that fish does not without taking it out somewhere.
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gracefortoday2
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Posted: 15 June 2007 06:46 pm |
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what do you think will happen if you skip cheat days? will weight loss continue?
i am not happy with this cycles weight loss and a have a wedding to attend soon, can i skip cheat days?
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acechec
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Posted: 18 June 2007 09:26 am |
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| I had similar feelings about skipping cheat days also. But the instructions does indicate that you must cheat in order for the diet to work properly. So I believe cheating has to be a part of the plan. In my opinion I think you should cheat after day 11 but follow the direction about not stuffing yourself. I also find that if you cheat for one more day making it 4 total days of cheating it will help a lot. What's happening is your body is getting used to the new diet and that's why after 11days you have to cheat. Everyone is different and for me I had to cheat an extra day to trick my body and when I did that I lost more. It seems like it's all about tricking the body on what and how much to burn. But very important make sure you drink that water. Water is a key part. Good Luck! I wish you well.
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acechec
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Posted: 18 June 2007 09:30 am |
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| I wish someone could at least try to attempt to answer some of my questions but no worries I'm kinda getting to understand on how this diet works. It's a great diet! It just needs some FAQs updated on it's website.
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Dobie
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Posted: 21 June 2007 06:02 am |
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Welcome, Acechec. I have had personal issues that called me away and we don't have many active veterines right now. Summer travel and vacation, I am sure.
What to do if you cheated too early?
When I fall off the wagon, I just get back on and keep going. I think it is important to change your lifestyle in volume and types of food as well as frequency of eating, but if you slip, jump right back in is what has worked for me.
Why do you gain the weight back a little fast? Is it just water first that will be lost or fat? seems like water since I gained the weight back so fast?
I think that is part of it, your body adjusting to the new weight is part of it. When I gain on cheat days, it takes three or four days to lose that and then I progress again. I am not sure I understand it, but it is normal for me.
Do you need to exercise if you do the 11day diet? what would happen if you do decide to excercise using the 11day diet?
Not sure. I think exercise is important at all stages at all times, dieting or not.
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lisacna
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Posted: 25 June 2007 03:07 am |
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| ok last question I hope. Is it important to generate a new 11 menu each cycle? My tastes really dont change so unless it is needed to lose weight I will be fine following the same one. Thanks in advance Lisa
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bbkitty
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Posted: 25 June 2007 05:18 pm |
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| I don't really think so. My tastes don't change much either, but I always have generated new menus, don't know why. But my last cycle and the one I just downloaded was REALLY the same, like the same lunch 5 days in a row. which is ok I guess, but it never used to do that. I'm going to try and download another one today just to see if it switches it up a little different. But no, I don't really think you have to unless you want more variety (somewhat).
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Niina
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Posted: 25 June 2007 05:59 pm |
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Hello,
I have managed to gain 6 lbs in the 3 cheat days! Has anyone had this kind of problem. Anything I can do to avoid this in the next 3 cheat days. I did lose 9 lbs in 11 days. I now need to lose 30 lbs to reach my goal.
Any advice.
Thanks.
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bote11c
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Posted: 25 June 2007 06:03 pm |
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Hi. I'm new to this particular diet, but not to calorie/nutrient cycling. I generated 3 different menus on day 1 and examined them all to determine if there was a set pattern (i.e.: # of carb/protein/mixed meals by day #) . It doesn't appear that there is a set pattern. Also, even though I used the same food choices, I got different combinations of food items in the different menus.
So, I don't know if the menu generation is totally random or if there is a method to the madness. But depending on how much in keeping you are with the idea that you have keep your body guessing in order to keep the metabolism stoked you may want to consider using more than one menu. If you are eating the same sorts of foods (macro-nutrients) in the same order repeatedly perhaps it will affect the effectiveness of the diet? Then again, maybe you'll just get dead bored with eating the same food over and over again.
I'm curious to see what the effect of using hte same menu over again has. Please keep us posted on your progress.
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bote11c
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Posted: 25 June 2007 06:31 pm |
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Hi Niina,
I think that if you check some of the other posts on the board you'll find that your experience is common. Seeing that this is quite a low-carb diet, if you ate more carbs in general, particularly sugary or starchy carbs; you will have gained a lot of water weight.
Carbs (more specifically the glusoce in them, if memory serves) bind with water. This is why you see an intital rapid scale-weight loss when you go on a low carb diet- it's the water that you're no longer retaining. But on the flip side, if you're off the carbs as soon as you eat a piece of bread you generally gain back the water weight (I like to call it puffing up like a blowfish).
Most of the folks who are long term users of this diet suggest that on the cheat days you 1) keep up with the water consumption 2) eat what you want, but in moderation, 3) keep it to 4 meals/day.
I'll bet you'll lose that weight quickly on your next cycle. 
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bote11c
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Posted: 25 June 2007 06:42 pm |
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I know this has been asked before, but it was quite some time ago. I'm just curious if anyone has tried the nutrient rotation that is outlined in the casual plan? I may try it after I lose my first 20 lbs, but seeing as I'm on cycle 1, that will be down the road a bit. I was just wondering if anyone had any experience to report on the other plan.
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Niina
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Posted: 25 June 2007 07:13 pm |
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Hello Bote11c,
Thanks for your reply. I really appreciate it.
I know where I went wrong now. I had bread in those cheat days and didn't drink much water and ate two big meals. I will do as you said and hope to lose all the weight I gained and also more. I want to lose about 30 lbs. How about you? Did you gain some weight in those cheat days as well and did you lose more lbs in the second time around than the first time?
Thanks.
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Frankie
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Posted: 25 June 2007 07:32 pm |
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Hi,
I was the one who had asked that question a long time ago, and no one seemed to be on it (although some people responded who didn't seem to know exactly what I was talking about).
I decided not to try it, because it seemed like too much of a pain. Too much planning.
If you go on it, I hope it works for you.
Frankie
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lisacna
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Posted: 25 June 2007 08:42 pm |
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| This is day two for me---and an all fruit day. I am starving and I hate drinking all this water. thinking of seting up camp in the bathroom. Then I wouldnt have to far to go for the million bathroom trips. But and this is really good I lost 5 pounds yesterday. ONe day 5 pounds. I know it was water--but that helps me stay focused. Good to see people are still on this diet. I hate to suffer alone. Lisa
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Dobie
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Posted: 26 June 2007 05:41 am |
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We often us the same menus (we have about three we cycle) and use them many times back to back and have still had much success in losing weight. I agree it should not matter.
Dobie
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bote11c
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Posted: 26 June 2007 05:48 am |
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Hang in there! Drinking all of that water can be difficult. I find that if I havemy first 12 oz glass first thing in the morning (I keep a full glass beside my bed and down it before my feet hit the floor) and then 1 glass every hour thereafter it's not too bad. At least being an early riser I can get it all down by supper time and not be in the loo all night long.
I actually didn't mind the fruit day. I wasn't hungry at all that day, but man was I ravenous the following day! That was the first day I struggled with sticking to it- which is probably pretty bad seeing as it was only day 3 
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bote11c
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Posted: 26 June 2007 05:49 am |
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Thank you for responding. If I do try the alternate method I'll be sure to share the results.
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bote11c
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Posted: 26 June 2007 05:55 am |
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Hey Niina. I'm actually on my first cycle of this diet. I'm not new to nutrient cycling, but I am new to FL4I. I'll let you know how much I gain on my cheat days. I'm sure it won't be pretty.
All of those pointers came from the veterans to this plan and were posted in other messages on the board. I learned a lot by surfing through old messages.
I am planning to lose 30 lbs and see howI feel about it. I haven't been at a weight that low for 10 years or so.
Keep up the good work
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lisacna
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Posted: 26 June 2007 05:56 pm |
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| thanks--I will try drinking my water earlier in the day. I made it thru day two and I had to just go to bed early to do it. But and I know I shouldnt ---I weighed in again today and 6.5 pounds gone in two day. So even though this isnt my ideal diet plan it is by far the fastest one I have been on including atkins. Will stick with it.
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bote11c
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Posted: 26 June 2007 09:35 pm |
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Yes, seeing success on the scale is very nice. I have been weighing daily for a while and plot it on a graph program that shows the up/down trends, so seeing consistent drops in scale weight feels nice. Being able to wear my skinniest jeans more comfortably feels pretty good too 
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bote11c
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Posted: 29 June 2007 07:13 am |
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Any tips would be appreciated for eating out and staying somewhat on track. I'm a high-maintenance type as I am vegetarian. Finding a restaurant that serves appropriate vegetarian meals is hard enough, but on this plan it's almost impossible. I try to eat at home, but occasionally I get together with friends and that usually results in dinner out.
Tonight I had a friend in from out of town and was invited to go out for dinner. I decided to save my carb meal for dinner since finding vegetarian protein is such a challenge. I ended up ordering an appetizer salad and nothing else. The waiter was somewhat put off, but drinking water and eating salad was the only thing even vaguely on track for my meal. Of course, I rarely feel very hungry when I follow this eating style, so I didn't grieve eating salad too much, but if there are any sugestions as to how to get a little more gustatory satisfaction out of eting in a restaurant, I'd sure appreciate it.
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lisacna
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Posted: 29 June 2007 06:48 pm |
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| This is the weekend I work the night shift. Which means today I will be up 24 hours before going to sleep tomorrow. I am on day 6 just wondering if I should start a new day after midnight or just eat 4 meals in 24 hours and start day seven tomorrow afternoon when I get up? What would be best? Lisa
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lisacna
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Posted: 29 June 2007 06:52 pm |
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| someone stop me if I am wrong. But 3 of the meals are low carb all protein and fat. Spices are allowed. So I would think any dish made with tofu and low carb veggies should be ok as long as you keep the calories less than 500.
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bote11c
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Posted: 30 June 2007 12:07 am |
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4 meals in 24 hours without the break for sleep doesn't seem to be enough. If you space them evenly you're only eating every 6 hours. I would think you'll be getting pretty hungry.
If it were me, I'd just eat every 3 hours following along with the plan as it's laid out and carry on the next day from there. Don't starve yourself, it will only work against you in the end.
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lisacna
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Posted: 1 July 2007 02:07 am |
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| I made it thru day six and sucessfully went through my 24 hour day. Started day seven and to date have lost 9.5 pounds. starting to crave things but hopefully that will pass. Tomorrow is the all veggie day so not a good time to start craving junk?!!
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bote11c
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Posted: 3 July 2007 06:39 am |
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Congrats on the weight loss! I'm glad to hear that you managed your 24 hour workday successfully.
I have lost 7 lbs thus far, but I only made it to day 9 and then turned the weekend (family reunion) into my cheat days- and the cheating manily consisted of rum coolers and wheat products that I would not usually eat.
Tomorrow I'm starting on day 1 of phase 2 which will take me up to my weekend away with the girls on the 13th. I'm hoping to lose another 5 lbs before I leave for that weekend away
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lisacna
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Posted: 7 July 2007 04:51 pm |
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| finished the 11 days lost 11 pounds, went thru my cheat days and only put back on one pound. From what I read here that isnt too bad. Started my second 11 day cycle today. Hardest part is drinking my water the rest of this diet is really pretty easy. Lisa
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bote11c
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Posted: 7 July 2007 04:59 pm |
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11 Lbs is awesome! And only gaining 1 lb on the cheat days is great too.
I gained 4 lbs back on my cheat days, but it's gone now. I must admit that getting back on the wagon after the 3 days off has been tricky. I've been cheating here and there (took the kids and myself for ice cream the other day) but I'm still losing.
I agree that this is a pretty easy way to eat. I can see sticking with it for the long term. But I still get freaked out by some of the high fat meals generated for me. Who would have thought you could eat cashews and macadamia nuts as a meal and lose weight?!
Good luck and continued success on cycle 2
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lisacna
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Posted: 7 July 2007 05:06 pm |
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| thanks for the reply ! I knew it was possible to eat high fat and lose due to my atkins days but I didnt think you could ever eat carbs with high fat and lose. That is why I like this one so much more. The menus are a bit bizzare with things I would never put together but oh well. Good luck to you !! Off to drink my water and walk on my treadmill. Lisa
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 12 July 2007 11:39 am |
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Hi All,
When I choose Milk from my food list and generate a diet, my milk portion is Low fat milk - if I use Skim milk as a replacement would this be a train smash...
Skim Milk is lower in Carbs and Fat, but would this upset the working of the diet?
Thanks for the assistance.
Mrs B.
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Dobie
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Posted: 13 July 2007 05:40 pm |
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Skim milk is low fat to the extreme. Good for you.
I don't think this is a problem at all!
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nevd
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Posted: 14 July 2007 03:46 pm |
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You do need a certain amount of fat in your diet to function properly. But I bet you're getting enough anyway.
Unless you drink copious amounts of milk, the difference between skimmed and low fat shouldn't hamper your progress.
It's hard to be accurate and exact about what you take in all the time. Don't treat this stuff as a magic formula. It's just a way of getting your system back on track.
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rayaray
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Posted: 16 July 2007 10:55 pm |
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I am an overeater but not a binge eater and I don't know how to distinguish satisfied, I usually eat until stuffed. Has anyone had this problem and learned how and when they feel satisfied
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Nir
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Posted: 16 July 2007 11:48 pm |
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try to constantly ask yourself "am I hungry" and slow down if the answer changes from "yes" to "not sure".
Remember that your body's "I'm full" signal can be 10-20 minutes late. So slow down your eating and/or drink more water in these situations.
Stop thinking about "stuffed" as the aim - the aim should be "not feel hungry".
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rayaray
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Posted: 17 July 2007 01:51 am |
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 Thank you so much for the reply, its very helpful. I have one more meal to go and have been surprizingly surprized by not being hungry. I do tend to eat fast, a bad habit I got into years ago when my daughter was a baby
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rayaray
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Posted: 17 July 2007 03:54 am |
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I am a diabetic and have high blood pressure and am concerned about all fruit day and all vegie day I have been reading about. Any one else out there that are in the same boat  really really need to do well on this!!! I am 55 years old and need to lose about 30 lbs. Do you think it would be all right to add in turkey or ham or roast beef to bring up the protien level. I welcome any and all answers.
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bote11c
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Posted: 17 July 2007 08:21 am |
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As a diabetic, perhaps following the 11 day plan stringently may not be wise for you. Have you considered trying the modified version outlined in the book? I don't think that extreme diets are wise for those with diabetes. That said, your best bet is to speak to your doctor prior to starting any major dietary changes. Please do that and stay safe.
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bote11c
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Posted: 17 July 2007 08:24 am |
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I always drink a large glass of water 20 minutes prior to eating. This way I feel full faster. I tend to get full quickly and if I am aware as I am eating I notice that the food suddenly loses its appeal. For me, that means that I'm done eating.
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rayaray
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Posted: 17 July 2007 01:05 pm |
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Thank you for your reply! I didn't know there was a book, I found this on line and I've just finished the first day. I will look for the book tommorow, does it go by the same name? Again thanks for the help
Thoraya
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Mrs Bean
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Posted: 17 July 2007 01:09 pm |
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Hi ray,
Being a diabetic it is always difficult to diet - my husband and sister are diabetic. My husband has been advised to not do any high protein diets, but rather to eat low glycaemic (spelling?) foods. My sister however does the Dr. Atkins diet (high protein) without a problem. I reckon eating fruit for a whole day would not be a good thing. Why not try modify the diet to include another normal day instead of the fruit day? Perhaps with Oatmeal and Baked beans (they are both very good for diabetics). You might loose a little slower, but that might not be a bad thing. On the veggie day, you could do the same thing - they are a week apart. Both Fruit & Veg are on the right side of your food choices, whilst protein is on the left... indicating these days should not have any protein. It was good advise though to chat to your Dr.
Regards, Mrs.B
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