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Dobie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 03:59 pm |
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The rules imply you should not. But if you understand why, I think it makes more sense.
If, and I mean IF, you just add healthy vegitables (not creamed or cheesy or sauteed in butter, etc) but if raw, steamed, boiled, grilled, or even cooked with the main food (say the broth from the chicken, or whatever) then i cannot see this doing anything but making you healthy UNLESS you do like I did last Thanksgiving. Please see my thread on "Thanksgiving warning" here.
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Dobie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 04:10 pm |
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spryte22 wrote: I noticed that these menus don't have the recommended daily servings that nutritionists suggest or whatever. What are some ideas about this? I do not have the book or anything, but only 3 menus for three 11 day sets. I am curious if we actually need what we are being told or if this diet is actually unhealthy.
I feel healthy. Like Nir said, most are not eating healthy anyway, so I agree this is the right direction. I take vitamins anyway and snack of fruits and veggies on my off days. I eat about the same amount as I did before, but I eat healthier (that is less cheese and broccoli, etc.)
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Dobie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 04:13 pm |
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We do occasionally and vice versa, but our diet has ham listed and we almost always do a lean pork loin instead of ham.
I think that is fine.
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Frankie
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Posted: 20 November 2006 04:31 pm |
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Dobie,
I think that's a good idea, to have a point at which you will switch to something stricter, to make sure you don't gain all the weight back once you reach your goal. I am wondering if 10 lbs is too much? That's a lot to lose and can take a long time. During that period, if it's taking too long, it might be easier to get discouraged. Maybe 3 lbs would be safer. Just a thought.
But if I understand what you're saying, you gain weight while you're following "the rules?" If so, why follow them?
I have regretfully realized I just cannot do FL4I, in any version. It makes me into a crazy person. I feel hungry all the time, obsessed with food, I go shopping every 2 days and am contantly consulting my diet printout or whatever...plus I end up binging. I am sorry that I'm not one of the people who have done so well on it. I just have the wrong personality.
I am currently doing a modified ETL thing, which is kind of working for me. Or at least, it's working better than FL4I was.
Frankie
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Nir
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Posted: 20 November 2006 04:35 pm |
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| I'm not on IPD but I'm suffering from the (goal + 10lb) problem. I was at goal 3 times already this year (2006). Once in late April, once in late May, once in early September. Looking at it another way, that's 4 "dieting phases". If only I could stay there at my goal once I arrive, I would (A) be a lot happier (B) not be engaged in what is effectively yo-yo dieting (C) be able to tackle the muscle-gain objective (which is best done on a slight calorie surplus rather than a calorie deficit).
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teresamc1
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Posted: 21 November 2006 05:57 am |
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Thanks for the encouragement; I didn't lose hope too quickly. This is day #10, and the scale could be lying but it showed that I lost 5.5lbs! My scale isnt the best, so I wont get my hopes up too soon. However, I have gotten used to eating lest, and laying of chocolates! That in itself is great progress for me!
/Teresa
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Frankie
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Posted: 22 November 2006 03:37 am |
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I am yo-yoing like crazy. Today was another bad day. I keep a trash bag around my gear shift, and it's so full of candy wrappers I'm embarrassed. Have to hide it before my husband sees it!
don't know how to get out of this whole thing, though.
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laladias
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Posted: 25 November 2006 11:33 pm |
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hi isolina... how is it going ? It's been a while I don't login but i'm still on the diet :-)
done with the 1st. cycle. Lost about 7 pounds. Happy with the result.
how about you ?
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mina
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Posted: 26 November 2006 02:33 pm |
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Holidays put me in a bad spot so i will start again on monday.Keep me posted on how the second phase goes
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ufkitty79
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Posted: 28 November 2006 06:42 am |
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I wouldn't say we're alcoholics by any means, but my boyfriend and I (and all the people we hang around with) are pretty heavy drinkers come the weekend...and sometimes during the week (especially around the Holidays)...maybe it's a Chicago thing.
But I was wondering if anyone knew how this would affect my diet. I usually stay away from beer and drink primarily tanqueray and tonics which I'm at the bar, and wine with dinner (always red). I stay away from sugary drinks, redbull drinks, and any kind of drink made with soda cause I don't like anything sweet.
Aside from what I already know alcohol does...does anyone else have experience with drinking on this diet? It's really not a matter of, "Hey don't drink." Cause that's not gonna happen.
THanks!
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vicky in England
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Posted: 28 November 2006 02:45 pm |
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Hi there,
Cant say Im an angel myself when it comes to a glass or two (or three or four) of wine ... Ive been dieting off and on for years . I lose weight when I give up the booze and I put weight on when I start on the wine again. Booze makes you overweight and you wont lose any weight until you seriously cut it down.
Its unrealistic to say stop overnight - I know its hard - been there - done that. But at least try and cut it back. Have a glass of wine not a bottle. Half a beer but not 2. Nurse your glass. Go out an hour later, come home an hour earlier, have water with dinner. Sounds hard when you like your booze but booze is FULL OF CALORIES.
You wont stop drinking overnight but you can cut it down. Think - if you're on a 1500 calorie diet a day there are 750 calories in a bottle of wine!
Good Luck,
Vicky in England
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Nir
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Posted: 28 November 2006 03:31 pm |
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A 25ml measure of most spirits packs about 56 calories (that assumes you drink it neat or with no-calorie mixer). A glass of wine is approximately 100 calories (?). It is remarkably easy for those liquid calories to add up to significant amounts. How many calories does your typical weekend and weekday sessions translate to?
I find it quite difficult to stick to my calorie limits on the days I drink!
The body regards the alcohol in your bloodstream as a toxin, so it does its best to detox itself by using the alcohol for energy first. Therefore carbohydrate and fat burning are effectively on hold so long as the alcohol calories are still in your system.
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vicky in England
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Posted: 28 November 2006 04:38 pm |
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Thats interesting about the toxins and the body burning these instead of fats etc. It certainly explains a few things...
Im down to just having wine on a Saturday night and have cut out all wine and beer all week. Starting to lose weight now with only a few alterations to what I eat.
Booze is addictive. Once you start its hard to stop - thats why Im trying not to start of an evening - but I'll give myself Saturday night off - but Im not having a drink til 10pm and as Im asleep by 11pm it cuts drinking time down dramatically! Hope I can keep it up!
Vicky in England
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ufkitty79
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Posted: 28 November 2006 05:13 pm |
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Hmmm...see. That's really not going to work for me because we don't go out for just an hour. I guess I'll just really have to make a valiant effort not to drink when we go out...which probably won't be half bad considering how bad it really is for you.
I'll just have to double up on water on the days that I do...
I had the cottage cheese and bacon this morning...yum! Tuna and eggs for meals 2 and 3, and probably just some green veggies for meal 4.
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vicky in England
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Posted: 28 November 2006 05:47 pm |
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Hi Kitty
What about changing your going out habits. Stay in an extra night. Go somewhere posh were you have to dress up rather than go to a more casual bar. If you're all dressed up and elegant you'll drink less cos you want to look nice ! What about meeting your friends somewhere besides the bar (never been to Chicago so cant suggest anywhere) perhaps to the cinema or theatre or sports match. Go somewhere where there isnt a bar!
By boozing you are undoing all the hard work of your food dieting......
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ufkitty79
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Posted: 28 November 2006 06:11 pm |
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Yeah, my beau and I have been talking about doing that...and if it were up to us, we probably would. But I have my work holiday party, and his work holiday party, and two fundraisers...all which will probably last more than an hour. Definitely increasing the chances of me having more than one drink...
So, it's willpower...or at least, waiting to see real progress until after the new year. I would have waited until then, but we are spending Christmas at my mothers and if I show up 20 pounds heavier, she will definitely give me a hard time 
I'm not too worried about it. I'll just have to moderate :-)
Thanks for your input! Good luck!
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nevd
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Posted: 28 November 2006 07:31 pm |
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Unfortunately, if you drink often (and enough of it) you really aren't on any sort of diet.
I keep my wine intake for the weekends, then it's something to look forward to.
Beer is a treat when I go out for a curry (once every blue moon).
As someone else suggested, it's hard to watch what you eat when you're merry and your guard's down.
Would the others insist that you drink alcohol just because they want to?
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elsie
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Posted: 8 December 2006 07:02 am |
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 Hello! I've been reading the WL4I forum for awhile now as I've used that plan off and on for sometime now-more off than on-and have only been able to do the whole 11 days without falter a couple times. I did lose tho. About 5-8 lbs. I need to lose about 15-20 lbs. now and was planning to go back to WL4I, but wondered if anyone has tried the forgetcalories.com which I'm wondering if might be a good plan. I would like to know more before I spend the money-or if it's much different than the WL4I. I think it will be nice to use this forum as a support plan this time regardless. Thanks for ANY input. A country girl who loves food!
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elsie
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Posted: 8 December 2006 07:32 am |
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| Boy-I'm having a terrible time getting my question posted in the right place. I'm new at this and thought it would be fun to join in since I've tried the WL4I quite awhile off and on, but my question is going to appear in 3 different places-sorry. Maybe I'll get a good answer-ha! Anyway, wondered if anyone has tried the forgetcalories plan and if so how was it and how did it compare to WL4I? Seems I read somewhere in here it is by the same makers of WL4I. Thanks for any info. I'll go back and try WL4I probably if I don't get any response to the other. Sincerely, A dumb cluck. Tonite anyway.
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sillylili
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Posted: 9 December 2006 03:54 am |
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Hi Elsie. Welcome to the forum. In regards to your question I too was curious about forgetcalories and posted a question about it but I never got a response so I just stuck with fl4I and I have been doing great. I think you should stick to this one. As you've read alot of people modify this diet. I modify it by adding veggies to the just protein part. I also have a spoonful of PB when it calls for lowfat milk and turkey. It works for me maybe because I workout everyday and I don't want to feel lousy that's why I add on veggies. If you have any questions let me know. 
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elsie
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Posted: 10 December 2006 01:36 am |
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| Thanks for your input sillylili! That's kind of what I was planning-I like the idea of modification-get's a little boring otherwise. My main problem is sweets. Especially chocolate. I use a supplement called Gluco-Stable which may help some-but after a few days I get cravings then if I keep going I'm usually ok after about 3-4 more days. Just depends on my system and the time of month and the stars and my biorythyms ect.-I guess-ha! What kind of exercising are you doing? Thanks again. Elsie
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sillylili
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Posted: 10 December 2006 05:21 am |
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| Hi Elsie. Your going to do great on this diet. Actually it just becomes a way of life. Once you start this you probably won't need to take your gluco thing. You just won't have cravings. It won't happen right away cause you will be thinking about your up coming cheat days and when they do your like" Umm do I really want that?"And as far as exercise I do weights Mon,Wed,Fri (Power90 dvd) And the rest of the days cardio which is the treadmill for 45 min. I've added the incline and it burns more cal & carbs. Anyways don't forget that exercise plays an important part in the diet as well as water. I am constantly drinking water all day. Let me know how it goes. Tomorrow I will post my stats since today is day 11 of cycle 2.
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elsie
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Posted: 12 December 2006 05:59 am |
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| Thanks so much for the encouragement Lily-tis a hard time to be dieting with the upcoming holidays and food galore. Started today. Hadn't been exercising for awhile as well so am getting back to that. I also use exercise DVD's and tapes and have a treadmill. Today I did a Cindy Crawford "Next Generation" workout-felt great-really helps with appetite control-til later in the day anyway. Am going to jump on the other FL4I general forum when get a chance. Are you on the old or new menu. Mine is the old. Today I had oatmeal, tuna salad, ground turkey(cheated and had turkey keilbalska-sp?cooked with pinto beans,garlic and onion) and hot dog(cheated again and had a bun). Do you like your Power90? I'm always looking for new ones.The water part is hard for me while I'm at work because can't get to the RR very often. Will be anxious to see your stats-let me know and good luckThanks again!LC
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dibzzy
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Posted: 2 January 2007 12:45 pm |
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HI..
JUST WANT TO KNOW AFTER HOW MANY DAYS DOES THE WATER WEIGHT REDUCTION BECOME FAT LOSS DURING THE FIRST CYCLE?
THANKS
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Dobie
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Posted: 2 January 2007 09:12 pm |
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dibzzy wrote: HI..
JUST WANT TO KNOW AFTER HOW MANY DAYS DOES THE WATER WEIGHT REDUCTION BECOME FAT LOSS DURING THE FIRST CYCLE?
THANKS
Wow. I have no idea and I doubt you can give a number that is the same for everyone. I have always looked at total loss from ending date to ending date figuring if I have lost weight from the time before, it is real weight loss and not just water.
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eskie1
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Posted: 14 January 2007 04:06 am |
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Hi All,
If there is anyone in the Saskatchewan area who would be interested in joining a support group we could meet for coffee, call and post here for support if interested let me know [EDIT: email address in profile]
Thanks Rocky Last edited on 17 January 2007 06:34 am by
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scotsgirl
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Posted: 16 January 2007 06:15 pm |
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| I think I am on the first version of this diet. I cannot find the list of acceptable veggies I know I saw something a while ago but I have gone through every page and cannot find it. My veggie and fruit day is coming up on day 7 and I saw the post for veggie chili, that would be great. Does anyone know what the difference is between the plans? I have tried this one before and it works really well my problem is motivation. Anyway can you help with the beans? I appreciate it thanks so much
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Dobie
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Posted: 17 January 2007 03:29 am |
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I am not sure I am clear on your question. We eat beans and it helps us quite a bit through F&V day. I think they are fine for us.
As to the differences in the diet, there are more foods (up to 30 out of about 40 or so?) to choose from and there is more variety of foods at each meal.
Downside to some of us is there are not the foods we like: Ground turkey (OH so versital and tasty) and no hamburger or pasta.
Upside is there are baked beans, frozen yougurt (not often I am sure), etc.
Does that help?
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scotsgirl
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Posted: 17 January 2007 03:34 am |
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| thanks so much. wonder if i can add the beans for my veggie day? Well I'll try it and see. thanks again. I am on the old plan ground turkey. Guess if I want to do the new plan I have to pay again. That doesn't seem right. Once you purchased it you should get any new versions for free.
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Dobie
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Posted: 17 January 2007 04:08 am |
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| We do beans, potatos or hominy on our F&V day. But no fats or extra calories for me.
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scotsgirl
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Posted: 17 January 2007 03:27 pm |
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| Thanks Dobie you are the only one who answered me. I really appreciate it.
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Dobie
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Posted: 18 January 2007 05:35 pm |
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| You are most welcome. I love to help and I have gotten so much out of this way of eating!
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 25 January 2007 08:34 pm |
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Another yummy alternative to butter, is coconut oil.
It's the only oil you can heat at a high temp that does not break down it's molecular structure and turn into a trans-fat.
It's super healthy for you and great for blasting away stored fat because it's purely short and medium chain fatty acids (mainly mono & polyunsaturated fatty acids)
It helps contribute to weight loss, helps with heart disease and is amazing for your skin, just to name some benefits.
Pick up some organic, cold expeller pressed, extra virgin if you get a chance. I like the Nutivia Brand.
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Dobie
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Posted: 25 January 2007 08:42 pm |
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That sounds really cool! And it tastes good on veggies?
It has had so much bad press in the 80s, it makes it hard to reset my thinking on it, but I love the idea!
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 25 January 2007 10:05 pm |
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Honestly, I think the bad press was a conspiracy to push the more bad oil sales for the vegitable oil industry, which they claimed was so much healthier. NOT!!!
We all know how that turned out...LOL
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Nir
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Posted: 26 January 2007 06:46 am |
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ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_oil
Coconut oil is actually a kind of vegetable oil.
Yes, coconut oil is resistant to heats, making it more suitable for cooking than rapseed/canoloa oil.
No, it is not mostly unsaturated. 86.5% of it is saturated fatty acids.
I don't know where you're getting all those controversial health benefit claims from, but personally I would not believe them!
All oils (even the 'healthiest', such as olive and flaxseed oils) are refined products and as such contain less nutrients than the original whole food (olives, flaxseeds, walnuts, avocados etc.) and ideally should be used in moderation.
My limited understanding of FL4I is that it calls for minimal use of oils and advocates fat-free condiments wherever possible.
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 27 January 2007 05:30 am |
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ht tp://www.mercola.com/2003/sep/13/coconut_oil.htm
What Coconut Oil DOES NOT Do: * Does not contain cholesterol. * Does not increase blood cholesterol level. * Does not promote platelet stickiness which leads to blood clot formation. * Does not contribute to atherosclerosis or heart disease. * Does not promote cancer or any other degenerative disease. * Does not contribute to weight problems.
What Coconut Oil DOES Do: * Reduces risk of atherosclerosis and related illnesses. * reduces risk of cancer and other degenerative conditions. * Helps prevent bacterial, viral, and fungal (including yeast) infections. * Supports immune system function. * Helps prevent osteoporosis. * Helps control diabetes. * Promotes weight loss. * Supports healthy metabolic function. * Provides an immediate source of energy. * Supplies fewer calories than other fats. * Supplies important nutrients necessary for good health. * Improves digestion and nutrient absorption. * Has a mild delicate flavor. * Is highly resistant to spoilage (long shelf life.) * Is heat resistant (the healthiest oil for cooking.) * Helps keep skin soft and smooth. * Helps prevent premature aging and wrinkling of the skin. * Helps protect against skin cancer and other blemishes.
More information can be found here: ht tp://www.coconut-info.com/Last edited on 27 January 2007 10:30 pm by
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 2 February 2007 09:04 pm |
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When did beans become a veggie? 
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Dobie
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Posted: 3 February 2007 03:24 am |
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TheQuietRioter wrote: When did beans become a veggie?
Legumes, plants, whatever. :) Actually, I searched and beans and legumes are often listed under vegetables. I guess since they are from plants.
Seriously, though, Pinto Beans are listed under veggie day on the approved list on the new diet and the old one doesn't really exclude them.
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 5 February 2007 05:13 pm |
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I noticed that too. On the veggie day you can have beans.
I always thought legumes and nuts were considered part of the meat group because of the high iron and protein content.
I started my diet this morning, and I will be a pinto bean eating fool today.
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Dobie
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Posted: 5 February 2007 06:02 pm |
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| Best of luck!
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yohkos
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Posted: 9 February 2007 07:44 pm |
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| forget calories looks to be made by the same people and probably very similar to the idiot diet. Anyone tried this? I sure do not want to spend 39.00 for something that is very similar to WLFI.
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TheQuietRioter
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Posted: 12 February 2007 07:55 pm |
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I have had to halt the diet for a little bit, and regenerate a new menu from the Vegetarian options. 
I just cannot do the MEAT THING!!!! YUK! I cannot do the soy (on the Veggie menu) either, so I am replacing the soy milk with my regular rice milk. I am also having a difficult time with the eating of chicken eggs. That’s even more vile than the dairy options, but I found a local farm that has a good selection of cage free chickens fed a healthy diet and raised without anti-biotics, so I am going to try and stomach those.
I am restarting this diet on Monday the 19th and hopefully I will have a better experience with it. I just cannot bring myself to start eating meat again, not even fish from the whole food market.
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elsie
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Posted: 13 February 2007 06:22 am |
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| It does look similar-I've noticed you eat 6 times with it instead of 4. It doesn't specify the number of cheat days also just that they're allowed. It would be interesting to know about it but I don't want to spend the additional $$ either. Maybe someone will let us know!
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missymoo
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Posted: 21 February 2007 10:50 pm |
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WILL THIS RUIN THE DIET. I have not started yet and am afraid to not have my coffee, I really need at least the one I drink.
WHAT DO THE REST OF YOU COFFEE DRINKERS DO,,,BLACK IS GROSS TO ME...HELP
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missymoo
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Posted: 21 February 2007 11:07 pm |
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has anyone tried the 20lbsin10days diet, I assume its the same type of diet,
not sure what to do, that diet, claims I cam have coffee cream in coffee, but would be better to use lf milk, wont ruin the diet but will not work as good.
is that the same for the fl4i diet,,,U have asked a few times herer,,,no one respondes.
anf the ad on the top of this forum page,lose 10 in 10...whats that diet about ???
help.
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Nir
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Posted: 22 February 2007 12:06 am |
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How about safely losing 10 lb every month? Eat To Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman (I think the paperback can be had from as little as $12.10).
Weight loss, and health too. What a bargain.
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missymoo
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Posted: 22 February 2007 03:35 pm |
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I am a healthy hi fiber whole food eater nornaly, but wrnt off for for a few months , not off, just ate aklot of fast food too, thats howe I gained the 20 lbs,
I am back to eating healthy whole grains,,,but wont this gone yesterday, will resort to a fast diet to lose it,,then back to my normal ways.
so,,,cream in coffee, is also something i always did, and wont give up...
do you know anything about the fl4i plan, or have you not tried it,
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Dobie
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Posted: 23 February 2007 11:22 pm |
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missymoo wrote: WILL THIS RUIN THE DIET. I have not started yet and am afraid to not have my coffee, I really need at least the one I drink.
WHAT DO THE REST OF YOU COFFEE DRINKERS DO,,,BLACK IS GROSS TO ME...HELP
This diet allows drinks that are <10 calories per 8 oz so if you do that, you are in bounds. Cream will slow down your weight loss and it is not on the diet.
That being said, you can do whatever you need to to lose weight. I would personally try the dry creamer and see if you can wean off cream or if you must, work to skim milk.
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dihog7
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Posted: 25 February 2007 07:50 pm |
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Hi--I am considering starting this diet but have a few questions before making the purchase and waisting money (as I've done with other diets):
1. Is coffee allowed? What about a diet soda?
2. What if I work at a job where there is no way I can break away to eat at the 2 1/2 hour mark. It'll be more like 4 hours between the 1st and 2nd meal especially...is that OK?
3. When I see things like: eat just "chicken" or just "a Sandwich" or "fish fillet"....are you given guidelines about what is allowed as far as how the chicken needs to be prepared (I assume not fried)? but is it clear as to how it can be cooked, any condiments, etc? And for the "sandwich" does it explain what can be put on it and what type of bread?
4. Can people on thryoid medicine do this diet safely?
5. I read a review somewhere that said it was a really high calorie diet (like 3000 in one day). I know I can't eat that much. Isn't it only high calorie if you eat tons of nuts or really large portions?
Thanks for any help. I really want to do this but just want to be sure it's a pretty clear diet before I buy it. Thanks!
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