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point4m
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| Joined: | 4 March 2009 |
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Posted: 5 March 2009 01:48 am |
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I purchased the 11 day diet plan and have been on it for around 4 cycles. I have lost approximately 6 lbs. Not much compared to what others have been reporting. I'm getting a bit tired of plain fish and plain chicken. The flavor or zing just isn't there. I have never been a huge sauce or condiment person, but the end result for this food is so bland! How do you ad flavor without adding calories? Not only that, why is it that I have lost so little when I have cut out all condiments and stayed strict to the diet as it is lined out?
I was also wondering if there was any way to purchase the second bonus portion of the plan. I didn't want to buy it right off the bat because I wasn't sure it was going to work... Is it possible to purchase it separately?
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webfairy
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Posted: 5 March 2009 02:39 am |
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Point - Welcome. You cannot purchase Beyond Calories separately, unfortunately. You may want to come to the general discussion thread, as more people read that thread and can help answer your questions. Without knowing what you did or didn't do for sure, it is hard to say why you have only lost the 6 lbs. It can be a number of things. Maybe if you post in general discussion and answer the following questions, we can help you...
Did you only ate until satisfied, not any more than that? Did you space your meals apart between 2.5 - 4 hours (roughly)? Did you refrain from any eating in between meals? Did you drink ALL 80 oz. of water each day? How much do you have to lose? Are you doing anything exercise-wise, like walking? Are you taking any medications? Let us know anything else you may think will be helpful to us.
We can help you make your meals more creative by giving you ideas that we have found work with the diet and are allowed as condiments. I am impressed that you made it 4 cycles eating your food so bland and not having much success. That shows you are motivated, for sure! I would like to see you have success on this diet, so if you give us an idea of what you have been doing, maybe we can figure it out. There have been a few people lately that have had some similar trouble, but there are different reasons that could be hindering your losses. Good luck!
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sunshine
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Posted: 5 March 2009 02:42 am |
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Welcome Point! I like cajun blackening spice, rosemary herb blends(great on chicken), etc. They say you can use seasoned salts like lemonpepper which is great on fish. I don't want the salt so I just choose spice and herb blends. You can also marinate your chicken in marinades. Salsa is allowed so that means you can add some onion, peppers and tomatoes...or just salsa!
I've seen the BC on ebay or perhaps someone here can share.
How much do you need to lose? I was a slow loser but I have lost all I need...just alot slower than most...but other plans were not fast for me either. The slower you lose...the better the chances of keeping it off too!
S S
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uhoh
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Posted: 5 March 2009 04:50 am |
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Kiwi & Webfairy: Maybe it's just that I like being in control of things and if something is telling me what to eat I get frustrated? I'm thinking that's what it is. However, after some thought I realized it might be what some people are looking for. So all it does is tell you what to eat and not how much? Do you eat 'till your full? Are there other rules? My mom has asked about diets and I think she'd love this one. I'll point it her way.
Kiwi: I'm glad to see that. Really, I am. I love seeing people being able to succeed in their goals. [man I sound like a teacher] haha. :]
Webfairy: Yeah it's pretty cheeky, huh? haha. So you get to choose what to eat? Well glad to see a vegetarian won't have to worry about a full bacon meal. What exactly is this calorie shifting? Like high and low calorie days?
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webfairy
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Posted: 5 March 2009 05:10 am |
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Uhoh - You eat until you are SATISFIED, not full. This concept helps us to go into the future, post FL4I, and know when enough is enough. That is one of the great things about this diet. You have to eat all 4 meals, spaced apart 2.5 - 4 hours, and drink 80 oz. of water. These are all the most important parts. You have a list of condiments you can use to "spice up" your meals. The water helps to keep you satisfied between meals, also. You are on an 11 day cycle and get 3 cheat days after to eat whatever you like, before starting back on another cycle. You continue this until you reach the desired weight loss. This is called the DG (diet generator). There is also a vegetarian version.
If you want more control over your food, you can choose the Beyond Calories which is offered in addition to this diet from the FL4I website. That one lets you eat 6 meals, smaller sizes as you eat more often, and gives you the groups of food (more options) you can choose from, and you make up your own meals, as opposed to the generator telling you what to eat each day.
You don't count calories... it is a calorie shifting diet, not a low carb diet. Some of the days are higher carbs, some normal and some lower carbs.
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AshIdiot
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Posted: 17 April 2009 07:27 pm |
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| I'm interested in this diet but I'm a very picky eater. Does it let you select your foods when you first sign up or are you stuck with what you get, and realize you just wasted a huge amount of money? I figured I better ask, I don't have good luck with this stuff.
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webfairy
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Posted: 17 April 2009 07:55 pm |
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Hello Ash! You don't see the food choices until after you sign up but you get to pick your foods from the list, (7-15 from each of 2 columns) and then generate the 11 day menu of 4 meals per day.
1st Column: Delicious Shrimp, Sandwich (any deli-meat style), Tuna Salad Plate, Broiled Sea Bass, Roast Beef Slices, Macadamia Nuts, Hard Boiled Eggs, Broiled Orange Roughy, Pastrami Slices, Ham Slices, Cashews, Scrambled Eggs, Broiled Halibut, Walnuts, Peanuts, Turkey Slices, Cottage Cheese, Broiled Flounder, Milk, Regular Cheese Slices, Bacon Strips, Sausage Links, Chicken
2nd Column: Yogurt Dessert, Fruit Salad Dessert, Garden Salad w/ Dressing, Fresh Strawberries, Green & Red Vegetables, Orange-Pineapple Smoothie, Fresh Kiwi Fruit, Mixed Vegetables, Fresh Plums, Fresh Peaches, Bowl of Oatmeal, Baked Beans, Pinto Beans, Green Beans, Fresh Grapes, Fresh Apricots, Fresh Grapefruit, Green Vegetables, Fresh Apples, Prunes, Fresh Oranges, Banana Milk Shake, Fresh Pears
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shiftyninja
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Posted: 27 April 2009 12:44 am |
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Hi everybody, I've been sneaking a peak to the forums for the last week before making the plan to start this and I'm finally about there. Thought I've got a number of questions that I just am confused about...could anybody help? I'm looking to start this diet and my girlfriend will be joining me (though she is just as confused, maybe even more).
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If this is a calorie shifting diet, than how come I can eat all the food I want (until I'm "satisfied" at one sitting)?
My girlfriend and I are planning to do this together, though our food choices are different. What is a good way for us to do this diet together? Can we take the Meals from her menu and replace it with mine or vice-versa?
I'd like to stick with this, though I don't know how to make sense of the menu at times:
Day 1
Meal 1 -
Peanuts
Tuna Salad Plate
Fresh Grapes
Meal 2 -
Scrambled Eggs
Roast Beef Slices
Meal 3 -
Regular Cheese Slices
Bacon Strips
Meal 4 -
Chicken
Pastrami Slices
It seems like this day has two meals for breakfast (scrambled eggs/bacon) how does this work? Should I just eat how the menu follows or is there any way that I can substitute something else instead? I mean can I take another "back strip" type item to use, or could I have another "scrambled eggs" item?
I'm sure I'm making this more difficult than it needs to be...but I could really use the help.
Thanks a ton!
-Jason
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webfairy
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Posted: 27 April 2009 01:39 am |
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| Hi Jason. In a nutshell... you cannot switch meals with your GF's menu. If you two can agree on the same foods, then you could both share the same menu, otherwise she will have to eat her meals and you will eat yours from your own menus. You can eat the meals in any order so, based on the menu you shared, I would choose the scrambled eggs and meat for breakfast. If you don't want the meat, then you could just eat the scrambled eggs or visa versa. But you must stick to your menu and eat either one or all of the food choices listed on that meal. You eat ONLY until satisfied. You don't eat anything in between meals more than 4 hours between meals. Drinking 80 oz of water is very important. That will also help keep you full in between meals and get rid of the fat faster. If you want to see the best results, then do not substitute. Once you have done a cycle or two, you can get a feel for it more, and if you choose to sub then, you can see if it makes a big difference in your losses. You may want to check out the recipe section or ask us on the general discussion thread if you want some ideas for your meals. I think one of the things that makes this diet work is making the meals something you can enjoy. Sometimes you get some very strange combos, but you'de be surprised what you can do with some of the combos, also. We get pretty creative. So please introduce yourself in general discussion where other people can share ideas with you. Feel free to ask any other questions you still have. The diet is fanatastic!
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shiftyninja
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Posted: 27 April 2009 05:07 pm |
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Thanks Webfairy. I'll respond in the General Discussion since it seems to be hit a lot more.
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zeranity
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Posted: 30 April 2009 02:42 am |
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Hello Everyone,
I was trying to find information about missing a meal. I only was able to eat 3 meals today instead of the 4 meals.
Is there any information regarding this? Anyone had any issues when not eating all 4 meals?
Thanks! 
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Annie
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Posted: 30 April 2009 03:38 am |
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Hi Zeranity and welcome! I know I've read on here that occasionally someone will miss a meal - you know, life happens. The plan is laid out with 4 meals a day because that's what works best. If you slip up one day, I wouldn't stress over it. Just start up your next day tomorrow and try to get 4 meals in, with at least 2.5 to 3 hours time in between. It helps if you're on the run a lot to bring small bags of nuts or whatever you have on a meal that's portable enough to bring with you.
Be sure to check in at the General Discussion thread as it's the most active - everyone checks there and lots of folks are available to answer your questions. Another good thread to read is the Diet Tip thread - it's very helpful. And don't be afraid to ask!
 Annie
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frauilsa
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Posted: 20 August 2009 07:00 pm |
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Hello!
I had done WL4I (now called FL4I) a few years back and lost a lot of weight very quickly. The weight has now crept back so it's time for me to start again. I purchased the membership and had a couple of questions...
- What happened to the menu?! My pasta, burgers and ham w/ pineapple are gone!
- Is it possible to use some of the proteins/carbs listed on the 10 weight loss rules list without affecting weight loss on a generated 11 day menu?
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frauilsa
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Posted: 20 August 2009 07:07 pm |
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...as an update, this is a sample of what is on the more casual 10 rules of weight loss protein list that is not on the generated 11 day list -
Lean Turkey
Lean Ham
Lean Beef
Lean Roast Beef
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webfairy
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Posted: 20 August 2009 08:04 pm |
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frailusa - Hello and welcome back. Here is a really good link for Tips and Guidelines thread, that may help answer some of your questions: http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/forum3/8669.html
As far as the menu change, I never had the old menu but have heard about it. The diet menu was revamped and works really well. We normally recommend sticking to what is on the allowed list, for the best results. But there are some subs that are fine and I think they are covered in that tips thread. Also if you have any more questions, if you post in the general discussion thread, more people read that and participate in answering questions. So you can get some other opinions and ideas. Let us know if we can help more. Good luck to you!
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frauilsa
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Posted: 20 August 2009 10:12 pm |
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Thanks webfairy!
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nopainogain
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Posted: 25 September 2009 12:56 pm |
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| Hello, I've a question. I'm on my 9th day of the first cycle. And sometimes, especially at nights I eat extra fruit but not too much of course... Is it a problem? I thought it might be, since it can interrupt the shifting process. Thanks so much
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dreamer365
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Posted: 26 September 2009 10:09 pm |
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| Hi everyone. I'm on the 5th day of my first cycle (vegetarian plan) and lovin this diet. Just wondering, I have eggs twice today and I was wondering if I could substitute peanut butter for eggs one of the meals. Do you think it would affect my weight loss? Thanks.
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webfairy
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Posted: 26 September 2009 10:33 pm |
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| Hi dreamer! Welcome! I don't think peanut butter is a good choice, due to it's high fat content. I am not really familiar with the vegetarian version of this diet, though, so maybe SlimNeel or someone else might have a suggestion. Do you know that even low fat peanut butter isn't necessarily a good choice, because they replace the fat with corn syrup which is pure carbs. That is not good for weight loss, obviously, and won't fill you up as much, so you will eat more. Sometimes low fat and non fat are worse choices in certain foods. Next time, when you generate your menu, only pick one form of eggs (instead of hard boiled AND scrambled) and you won't get it twice in the same day. That should help. If you have any other questions, please ask. And let us know how you are doing. There really aren't many who have done the vegetarian menu and posted, so you could give some insight to that, if you like.
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dreamer365
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Posted: 27 September 2009 10:03 pm |
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| Thanks for the advice, webfairy! Haha I didn't even think of that when I chose both scrambled and hard boiled. Well this is day 6 for me and I've lost about 2 and half pounds, I know most of it is probably water weight but it is still a freakin miracle for me. Another question though, this diet is incredibly high protein, like at least 75% of the diet is protein. I'm just wondering how healthy this is. It doesn't seem like the body would do very good with so much. I read it could be rough on the kidneys and such. Last edited on 27 September 2009 10:03 pm by dreamer365
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webfairy
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Posted: 27 September 2009 11:51 pm |
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Dreamer - Actually the new "idea" is that a higher protein diet sustains you longer than fats and carbs. I know higher protein keeps me satiated longer. I try to choose high protein foods that are better for my body like fish and beans. I still do eggs, cheese, etc. but try to do them moderately, due to cholesterol concerns. But I haven't really seen much evidence that the eggs and cheese are hurting me. I eat eggs and cheese quite often and my cholesterol has dropped in the last few months. I think it is dependant on our particular bodies, personally.
It's true that long term high protein can be hard on the kidneys and liver. Anybody who has kidney or liver probelms DEFINITELY needs to consult with their doc before dieting, period! This should not be not long term, although the change in eating habits should be. This diet gets you off the sweets and processed, refined foods (or at least not nearly as much as before for most people), introduces more water into most of our diets, which ALWAYS helps with keeping the fat off, and makes us really consider what we put into our bodies. Also, I was horrible about snacking in between meals before doing this diet. I never realized how that affected weight gain. So you learn many valuable lessons on this diet. Just think how bad all that fat is for us when we are overweight. That is definitely very unhealthy! This diet has helped so many to get to a healthy weight and change our way of eating/living. Anything in excess is bad (in my opinion). We need to take meds sometimes for certain conditions, but hopefully they are temporary and we find ways to find healthy alternatives in the long run. It's the same with dieting. We should not diet long term, but we can do it until we reach our goal and then learn to live a healthier lifestyle... that's all. Fat is not healthy, any way you look at it.
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nopainogain
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Posted: 10 October 2009 11:53 am |
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Hello,
Is it ok not to exercise since I don't have ANY time.... Will not exercising stop my weight loss??
Thank you  /[color]
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webfairy
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Posted: 10 October 2009 04:25 pm |
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| Hi nopainnogain! Exercise should be an important part of our lives. It is very beneficial to our health. That being said, I will tell you MY experience. I lost 47 lbs. and did not exercise. I am not proud of that, I am just answering your question. I still lost plenty of weight, and probably would have lost more, had I exercised. I do what I can now, I do 100 situps every morning before work, and try to walk when I can. My goal is to up my exercise as I know it will help keep the weight off and keep maintenance going. So I would recommend even if you can only do 30 minutes a day, do it. If not, do what you can. I always park in the far back of parking lots so I can get a little more "movement" in my day... I take the stairs as opposed to the elevator whenever the opportunity arises... things like that can make a difference over time. So do what you can and try to squeeze in some time for some exercise, in whatever form you can get it for the time being. Your body will thank you.
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enjoylife
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Posted: 15 October 2009 02:38 pm |
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hi senior dieters,
after more than a week on this diet, i can say that my body is not suited to dairy products but it seems milk and cheese play a big part in this diet. anyone know what i can substitute for cheese? milk? hik! i really like my cheeses too.
junior dieter
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webfairy
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Posted: 7 November 2009 06:15 am |
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| Enjoy - I swear I answered this question to you before, but unless you posted it somewhere else, I don't see it. Anyways, you do not have to choose milk or cheese for any of your menu items. Also, you do not have to have cheese on veggie day to add to your salad, or veggies. That is optional. So milk and cheese do NOT have to be a part of this diet. If you have any other questions, please post in the general discussion thread where more people congregate and you can get more answers to your questions.
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