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bunny000 New Member
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Posted: 23 February 2008 01:16 pm |
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I am starting day 10 of my first cycle and this morning am down 9lbs. one more day and I go off for 3. I was hoping I could get some advice from you veterans on what you ate and how often on the 3 days off. I will continue to do my 4 meals and water, but am scared about what to eat. Can you just go onto another cycle and skip the 3 days of fun? I worked hard this past cycle and have not cheated on the diet. I want to keep the numbers going in the right direction.
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Hiker Senior Member

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Posted: 23 February 2008 01:43 pm |
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Bunny, it is not a good idea to skip your 3 "choice" days (we have been calling the "choice" days rather than "cheat" days to keep us thinking during those days. The diet is set up so you can have those and you should take them. I think you are right on track with continuing to eat 4 meals and of course the water. The nice part is now you can have a couple of slices of pizza or some spaghetti...whatever it is you have been craving just don't overdue it and stuff yourself on any of those....same as during the cycle, stop when you feel full. Enjoy your choice days and don't stress if you gain alittle back (I know I did) it will come off very quickly once you start your next cycle.
Hiker
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FarmLady New Member

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Posted: 23 February 2008 08:24 pm |
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Hi,
I've been reading about the FL4I diet and also browsing thru the forum. I've decided to start tomorrow, and have completed my grocery shopping.. I hope 
A couple of questions... when having deli meat, (not the sandwich meal), can I wrap a leaf of lettuce around the slice? Am I right in assuming that "flavored" water helps count toward your water intake?
Anyway I'm very excited to start this. I've about 60lbs to lose and have not been able to focus enough to get the job done. I think my determination is finally in the right place and I'm looking forward to starting my journey.
Wish me well!

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sec221 New Member
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Posted: 24 February 2008 09:27 am |
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please can you tell me how to space out meal because if i start at 8 0 clock and if i give 3 hours interval then would be finish by 5.0 clock in the evening what do i have after 5 0 clock. any help will be appreciated thank you
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FarmLady New Member

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Posted: 24 February 2008 10:26 am |
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I'm a newbie too, but I was going to use 4 hour intervals -- 8, 12, 4, 8
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sec221 New Member
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Posted: 24 February 2008 10:33 am |
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HI THERE THANKS
IS 4 HOURS OK BECAUSE DIET RULE IS EAT EVERY 2 1/2 TO 3HOURS
THANK YOU
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FarmLady New Member

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Posted: 24 February 2008 11:04 am |
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| Gosh, I took it to mean "at least" 2 1/2 hrs. I think more would be fine.
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dollydimple2626 New Member
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Posted: 24 February 2008 05:20 pm |
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hi everyone
today is my first day on the diet plan and i was just wondering how everyone else did on there first 11 days would be a great help
kind regards lucy
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katieg New Member

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Posted: 24 February 2008 10:17 pm |
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Hey! I'm on my 7th day today. So far it's been great and I'm 5 pounds lighter. The 4th day was a little tough for me, but i got through it ok. I've never lasted this long on a plan and actually enjoyed it. Tomorrow is veggie day though and I'm not looking forward to it one bit. But other than that, i really love this plan!
Good luck to you!
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mommieof2 New Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 12:46 am |
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Hi Everyone,
I just purchased fat loss 4 idiots based on all the wonderful comments I've seen here. There's so much support for each other on here and I could benefit from the encouragement to stick to it. That would be a first for me, sticking to a diet.
I had a question though. In prior posts I saw people talking about fat free mayo. But when I printed my 11 day menu out it's not on my list of acceptable condiments. Is this something that's offered based on the choices you select or did i miss something?
Thanks in advance. I'd appreciate any tips fpr making it stick. I chose bacon, sausage, and cheese has anyone else chosen these foods and lost the weight or am I kidding myself and need to chose other options?
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 25 February 2008 12:53 am |
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Hi Mom....go to the generator site and before you go to the menu you have a choice to click on a stoplight that says "stop and read rules" or click on the diet generator to go to menu...if you stop and read the rules....it gives lots more info...on page maybe four or five it gives info on spices and condiments. I hope this helps.
If you go to the last page of discussion and post there you will find lots of people who are also starting this diet and find tips, recipe ideas, answers to questions and support...plus we have several new dieters who are also mommies with two kids!!
You'll LOVE this diet!!
Sunshine
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mommieof2 New Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 01:26 am |
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Jules,
You've been on the diet since last year. How much have you lost and do you pick items like sausage, cheese, and bacon from the options list?
Thanks in advance....
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DeeDee Senior Member

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Posted: 27 February 2008 07:00 pm |
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Hello There,
I'm not sure if you had your questions answered, but it does say at least 2 1/2 hours. This way you will be sure your matabolism burns off the calories from each meal before going on to the next. It is ok to go longer if need be.
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Alexandra New Member
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Posted: 3 March 2008 12:50 pm |
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| can we eat egg whites only or does it have to be regular eggs?
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JEANNIEMCC New Member
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Posted: 3 March 2008 02:15 pm |
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| Just signed up for this site and I don't usually participate in online discussions so not sure exactly how to post on this site. Hope it works. I am thinking of trying this program and have been reading some of the posts. But everyone seems to be at the 1st through 3rd cycle. Is there anyone out there who has been on it for longer and anyone who is close to their goal weight? I'm looking for people who have followed it all the way through. Thanks.
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Patti New Member
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Posted: 3 March 2008 05:20 pm |
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Does anyone know if you can put milk in your coffee or artificial sweetener?? I start tomorrow and I really have a hard time without coffee!!!
Thx!!
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shasha119 New Member
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Posted: 4 March 2008 12:03 am |
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| I am planning to start this plan tom. but I just wanted to kno what should I know before I buy the package and would it be a difference if I dont buy the "beyond calories". Please help me understand this more before failing on yet another diet! Last edited on 4 March 2008 08:22 pm by shasha119
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shasha119 New Member
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Posted: 4 March 2008 12:03 am |
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 4 March 2008 01:16 am |
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You could eat eggwhite products like "eggbeaters" (USA) or just eggwhites...but why? The experts now say that eggs don't significantly raise cholesterol and yolks are full of luetin which is excellent for you...so unless your doctor tells you to stop eating eggs now that the new studies are out....go ahead and eat whole eggs....after years of dieting it can be hard to eat whole eggs without guilt. This diet is not low carb, high protein or low fat...it is a mix that challenges the metabolism. I hope this helps.
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Alexandra New Member
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Posted: 4 March 2008 12:21 pm |
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hi sunshine...I'm really bummed right now. I am on the 6th day of the diet and I just weighed myself again and I haven't lost anymore weight. So far, I have only lost 2 lbs! I follow the diet and do 30 min. of brisk walking a day. I don't stuff myself full by any means. I just don't understand. I'm really stressing bc we leave for FL in 6 days and I at least wanted to be back down to 120-122lbs before we get there! any advice? is the whole walking and burning calories thing screwing up the diet?
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shasha119 New Member
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Posted: 4 March 2008 08:23 pm |
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| n e one gonna help out? ?
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 5 March 2008 12:28 am |
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Sasha...go to the fl4i discussion forum and post there...there are lots of seasoned and new dieters who would be happy to give you their opinions on the program, how it is working for them and answer any specific questions you have. I love the program and have lost weight easily when other programs had not worked for me. It is easy to follow and the food choices require very little prep time and are easy to take to work or on the road. FL4I gives you four meals per day...Beyond Calories..gives you six ...so you may want to buy it also as you can not purchase it separately later. Beyond calories allows you more flexiblity in the foods you choose for each meal(for example it may say choose three vegetables from the list or choose two proteins) where as fl4i allows you to decide on the foods you like for each 11 day cycle but then it assigns specific foods per meal(for example ham and green beans). I hope this helps.
Sunshine
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 5 March 2008 12:45 am |
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Alexandra...a few questions...are you drinking 10 cups of water per day?...this really ramps up the metabolism and makes you drop water weight...also are you choosing nuts?... some have found the roasted salted nuts made them retain water...so if you are eating nuts..switch to raw almonds. Could hormones be causing any havoc with the scale? I am petite and closer to goal weight than some of the larger people so I lose, but more in proportion to my body...I lost five pounds first cycle instead of 9 pounds. If you go over to the discussion forum for fl4i and post... a lot of dieters there...some trying to lose for vacations, weddings etc...ask your questions there and you will get lots more responses.
Sunshine
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Alexandra New Member
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Posted: 5 March 2008 01:28 am |
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sunshine..
I just realized yesterday actually that I was supposed to be drinking that much water, so today I made it a point to drink the whole 10 glasses. I am eating nuts. It says for me to eat cashews and peanuts, but I only have about a 1/4 of a cup. Is it okay to switch to almonds? what if i get some nut that are unsalted?
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Alexandra New Member
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Posted: 5 March 2008 01:34 am |
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| I just finished the 5th day of my diet. I lost 1lb each day for the 1st 2 days, but nothing more since then! I am 132lbs and desperately trying to get to 120-122 before we leave for vacation 5 days from tomorrow. I just now realized that I was supposed to be drinking 10 glasses of water, so I just started that today. Any tips would be GREATLY appreciated. Also, do you think it has something to do with the nuts I eat(cashews/peanuts) they are salted and maybe that's making me retain more water. I only eat about 1/4 cup.
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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 5 March 2008 04:47 am |
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There are many novel ways of losing weight (sauna, colonic irrigation, carb depletion, fasting) but if you read around you'll realise that this is not the same as losing fat. Somebody who is at the 'overweight' or 'normal' weight ranges can only hope to lose between 1lb and 2lb of fat per week. The FL4I diet is notorious for playing on people's expectations, but funnily enough the immutable laws of physics cannot be bypassed, even if you are prepared to spend $39 on this plan.
It takes a calorie deficit of 3500 calories (or 500 calories a day, for 7 days) to shed one pound of fat. Double that (a deficit of 7000, or 1000 per day) to lose 2lb. Any other loses are most likely temporary water loses and what you lose quickly this way you gain back equally quickly, seeing as you never really lost it anyway.
Check out the tutorial and good luck
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 5 March 2008 07:27 pm |
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Alex...if you think nuts are the problem..switch to unroasted almonds or unsalted varieties of the nuts you are eating... and if you don't think the salt is keeping water on ....just keep eating what you have...you seem to be eating very moderate portions anyway.
The scale can bounce up and down for lots of reasons....hormones, carb eaten that day, water retained, food in the bowel etc....are your clothes any looser yet? Go back over the rules at the stop light to the left of the diet generator and just double check to see that you aren't missing anything...and the most important rule...no matter what the scale says...just keep going until you see results!!
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 5 March 2008 08:51 pm |
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Patti...I use 1% milk in my tea(because i don't like it black) this is a personal choice I have made on this plan... and I sign up for milk on the plan and use it for homemade latte or cappucino. If you sweeten....they say to use artificial. Some have taken their coffee black while others use unsweetened creamer.
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Patti New Member
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Posted: 5 March 2008 10:45 pm |
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Thank you!!!!
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DaniMae1 Senior Member

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Posted: 6 March 2008 12:48 pm |
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Of course you can use artificial sweetener! I could not live without coffee either! mmmmm coffee....I still use coffee mate, but I measure it so that I don't over do it! Don't use the flavored stuff with sugar in it. Well once in awhile is okay. I love the Christmas ones! Pumkin spice! Yummy!
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blackcal Senior Member

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Posted: 6 March 2008 03:47 pm |
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Patti wrote: Does anyone know if you can put milk in your coffee or artificial sweetener?? I start tomorrow and I really have a hard time without coffee!!!
Thx!!
Hi Patti,
You are not supposed to use milk or any other dairy in your coffee unless it is called for in the meal itself. Artificial sweetener is OK.
I find that diluting black coffee with additional water makes it go down easier.
Blackcal
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blackcal Senior Member

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Posted: 6 March 2008 04:22 pm |
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You can have lettuce, tomatoes, and onions with your deli sandwich. But, don't count it towards your water intake. You can also use the approved condiments.
I pile a lot of lettuce on mine and add some mustard. I like bologna, so I use that for deli meat. It makes a wonderful sandwich.
Blackcal
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blackcal Senior Member

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Posted: 6 March 2008 04:25 pm |
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| I think the honey-roasted peanuts would kill your weight loss. The instructions state salted or unsalted regular peanuts.
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~Fanta~ New Member
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Posted: 8 March 2008 10:59 pm |
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| Hey I bought the program a while back and decided it wasn't for me, I wanna give it a try now, but looks like they've revamped the site and i can't log in and don't have acces to the email i orginally signed up with :( I did print out several different menus so i know what i can eat, but i didn't copy a list of condiments i know we can bbq sauce and ketchup,mustard and low-fat mayo and spices...but what else, when a day of veggies was mentioned i assumed we couldn't have potatos, corn and beans but some people seem to be eating them.. this website is so weird i can't properly search for the answers i need o sorry if this has been asked several times over lol... also for the banana shake, could i just eat the banana drink a glass of milk and have a tablespoon of PB, it will all mix in my belly right lol.. the shake sounds gross i rather just eat those items...
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~Fanta~ New Member
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Posted: 10 March 2008 01:14 am |
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Hmmm 20 views and no answers my pm works just fine..... 
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Jules41 Senior Member

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Posted: 10 March 2008 01:47 pm |
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Hi Fanta
I am a liitle confused by your question. On the last 2 pages of the plan's gained from the diet generator is a list of the condiments you can use. How long ago is ' a while' for you to have registered??
On the new version, the condiments are : BBQ sauce, Ketchup, lemon juice, Salsa, salt & pepper & seasoning salts.
Your idea for the milk shake is how I have mine too. Hasnt done me any harm-lol
Regards
Jules
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arkid New Member
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Posted: 11 March 2008 10:32 pm |
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Hi all,
Av just started this diet today, i've got by with the first 3 meals with a severe headache, eating nuts and regular cheese slice( raw), etc. etc
Now its chicken time , how do i make a meal of this ?
do i just eat it grilled and use tomato sauce or any permissable condiment as a dip, (just for the sake of filling my stomach up!!! and stop when i feel depressed and pukey, (until satisfied).
Some of the recipes i've gone through are no way by the rules of the generated menu, some people have used lots condiments/flavouring which are not in the 11 day menu, and they seem to make delicious meals out of it.
Please help as i have 10 days to go , and i dont want to give up.
Thanx
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sarahmg80 Member

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Posted: 11 March 2008 10:53 pm |
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I have used some balsamic vinaigrette dressing as a marinade and just thrown it in the skillet to cook, is very tasty! You can BBQ it, and use BBQ sauce.
Is chicken the only thing in that meal?
Good Luck Sarah
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 11 March 2008 11:02 pm |
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Arkid...welcome to the forum...yes the first week of the diet is really hard for a few of us. I had headaches and felt lousy...detoxing and withdrawing from carbs and sugar I think. It does get better...hang in there. I feel wonderful on this plan now!!
I like my chicken roasted(whole chicken roasted) or breasts marinated and charbroiled or breasts cooked in a pan with a little olive oil and herbs. You will get used to eating proteins alone without veggies and potatoes over time. In the beginning I would take cottage cheese and blend it with alittle unsweetened lemon koolaide powder and sweetener until smooth and dust with cinnamon for something at my protein meals that was a dessert at the end. It helped me adjust.
There are alot of people who can give you support, ideas and recipes at the fl4i discussion forum.....click on the discussion...go to the end, hit reply on the last post and post there.
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arkid New Member
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Posted: 12 March 2008 05:19 pm |
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Hi Sarah
thanks for your reply, I finally eat that grilled chicken yesterday, just for the sake of filling my stomach up, with the condiments allowed. There was also roast beef slices on the generated menu, and after scanning through my 11 day diet i dont see condiments as balsamic vinaigrette dressing as a marinade, or, another quote from another member saying " olive oil and herbs"
On the new version, the condiments are : BBQ sauce, Ketchup, lemon juice, Salsa, salt & pepper & seasoning salts.
and, on the 11 day generated diet it tells that how each part of the menu should be cooked in a specific way (or thereabouts), what i don't get is, where does adding other toppings or stuff which is'nt on the menu come in. neither it tells u can (correct me if i'm wrong). I mean i'd love to cook a meal like that and satisfy my appetite , but i dont see it anywhere, and if it does please let me know, than eating raw or using condiments as above. i see that you've added vegetables too.
i.e red peppers, cooking oil dry white wine, garlic, mushroom etc
like one of your recipes i.e
Posted: 27 February 2008 07:27 pm
I've stumbled onto another great recipe! I had Chicken & Cashews on my list today so I decided to make Cashew Chicken for dinner tonight! Turned out awesome!!! If you've ever had it at a Chinese Restaurant, you will know what I'm talking about-great flavor! I did omit the mushrooms, water chestnuts and the green onion, but will include them here for those who might be interested in the original recipe. Ready.....here ya go!
Cashew Chicken
12 oz boneless, skinless chicken breast
1 cup water
3 tbsp low sodium soy sauce
2 tbsp dry white wine (I used a Chardonnay)
1/2 tsp crushed red pepper
1 tbsp cornstarch
2 tbsp cooking oil
2 tbsp minced garlic
1 cup cashews
10 green onions, bias-sliced into 1 inch pieces
1 cup thinly sliced fresh mushroom
1/2 cup sliced water chestnuts
i guess this must have been a delicious meal.
thanx
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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 12 March 2008 09:13 pm |
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Arkid...some of us use a little oil, marinade, herbs etc to cook with. The recipe above made use of the chicken and cashews that the meal required...she left out the veggies when she prepared it...if the menu had chicken, cashews and vegetable...then she could have had the veggies. You can not add veggies to a protein meal on this plan...only IF they tell you to add them. The key to using a bit of condiment is to keep it very small....using a ton of catsup or bbq sauce would change chicken to a protein/carb meal....even though they allow them. I personally don't make recipes as above...but eat my items very simply...each person follows this plan a little differently...partly because some are on it long term and would rather tweak it to keep it interesting than quit out of boredom...some only have a small amount to lose and will only being doing the cycle a few times. It works best if you keep as close as possible to the rules...and if you do make a switch...switch like for like...protein for protein or veg for veg etc.
Sunshine
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arkid New Member
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Posted: 12 March 2008 10:37 pm |
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hi, Sunshine
Thanks for ur honest advise, like you have said " switch proteins like for like" so, i.e my last meal of today was DELI MEAT SANDWICH, i was running late so i got a chicken breast and sliced to thin pieces of say 4mm thickness, and grilled in a george foreman, had to have 2 sandwichs coz 1 was'nt going to satisfy my cavity.
Now, the DELI MEAT SANDWICH meal doesnt say anything about portions.
Do you think they meant 1 sandwich or the usual rule eating slightly less?
thanxs
ArKid

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sunshine Senior Member

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Posted: 12 March 2008 11:08 pm |
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I believe it means one sandwich...but you can stack it as high as you want...that has been the general consensus..but no one really knows. Next time...grill the sandwich so it is warm and toasty and add sliced tomato, pickled peppers, grilled onions, condiments etc...a warm sandwich is much more satisfying!! That trick has helped me ...and slowing down and eating it slowly with a cup of warm tea or coffee...the warm drink helps fill you up and slows down the eating as you sip in between. I hope this helps!
Sunshine
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MaryPoppins New Member

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Posted: 13 March 2008 12:59 pm |
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To be honest, I just signed up for it today. I thought it was supposed to be fat loss 4 idiots, but just seems way too complicated for me.
They present you with 2 diets, which is ok. I've just read thru the Diet Handbook and was surprised to see a long list of rules, what not to do, what to do.... blah blah blah. Pretty tough I think to remember all these.
As a result, I prefer a more simpler diet. The diet handbook probably does work, but in the meantime I may lose my head over it with all the rules.
Pity.
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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 13 March 2008 01:41 pm |
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I know this is off-topic for the FL4I forum, but if you figure out the correct number of calories that you should be eating to lose fat then you could eat anything you wanted, whenever you wanted, just so long as the calories add up to the required number. (Though it will makes sense for most of your calories to come from healthy foods).
Now here is the real debating point: is counting calories a simpler approach than FL4I? What are your thoughts?
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MaryPoppins New Member

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Posted: 13 March 2008 02:16 pm |
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I am still not sold on which system works best. All I can do is listen to those who have succeeded. I know of a guy who was as big as a sumo wrestler, and he now looks like a regular fit guy. He told me his method was counting calories.
He was so religious about it that he kept a notepad in his top pocket and wrote in it each time he consumed something. He knew exactly how many calories in all his food.
So when FL4I says that low calorie diets don't work, it could be somewhat true. What they should be saying is that counting calorie diets do work.
Am going to have a look at some other fat loss ebooks and see which is best in my opinion.
Thanks.
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StillaKiwi Member

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Posted: 13 March 2008 03:55 pm |
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Mary
The diet's not all that hard.
- Go to the diet generator.
- Pick up to 15 food from each side you like.
- Generate diet
- Print/save diet
- Buy food you need
- Only eat till just before you're full
- Drink lots of water
- Exercise (which is a given for any diet and is healthy for you anyhow
- Lose weight
Beyond Calories is similiar to the Diet Generator which is where you might have got confused. Here you pick the foods you want which does require a bit more thinking but give you more freedom.
Counting calories does work for a lot of people but personally i do not have the will power to stick to a plan (I am easily lead into temptation). With FL4I not only can I stick to the plan I am actually eating healthier than before AND not suffering from bloat.
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MaryPoppins New Member

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Posted: 14 March 2008 01:40 am |
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Stilla... thanks for your reply.
How long have you been using FL4I? Do you get frustrated though that you can't eat the same meals with the rest of your family?
I'm going to go thru the diet generator today.
Take care.
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MaryPoppins New Member

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Posted: 14 March 2008 01:49 pm |
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Oh my... I just created a vegetarian meal, and I can say now, if I follow it for the next 11 days, I would surely be ripping my hair out.
Look at Day 1's Menu:
MEAL 1
# Peanuts
# Macadamia Nuts
# Fresh Kiwi Frui
MEAL 2
# Cashews
# Walnuts
MEAL 3
# Bowl of Navy Beans
# Bowl of Baked Beans
MEAL 4
# Scrambled Eggs
# Regular Cheese Slices
# Fresh Strawberries
Day 2's Menu
Any combination of the below separated in again 4 meals.
# Oranges
# Pears
# Apples
# Grapes
# Peaches
# Plums
# Strawberries
# Kiwis
# Grapefruit
I prefer being vegetarian although I do eat meat occassionally when dining out.
Has anyone followed the vegetarian 11-day diet? I wonder how many would actually see it thru??
Thank you.
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Hiker Senior Member

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Posted: 14 March 2008 08:55 pm |
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MaryP, I tried generating a few vegetarian menus and they were horrid. I eat meat but the FL4I diet just has so much meat I was hoping that would be an option but it was WAY to boring . I just stick w/ the regular diet generator and add veggies to my main meal, for me, that is my last meal. I know you're not suppose to but I have to have more veggies than they allow. I have heard the Beyond Calories diet has more vegetable choices but unfortunately I didn't buy it. I am trying to see if I can go back for it but so far no luck . Oh well, just wanted to let you know I totally agree with you, their vegetarian menu is not very good .
Hiker
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