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Anyar
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 Posted: 11 March 2008 06:41 pm
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Hey, Sarah:

7 pounds is very good.  That's much more than what you typically would have lost on a normal low-cal, low-fat diet.

So, don't give up!!

Apartian actually lost 9lbs in the first 11 days (look at the previous posts).

I know that I've lost some weight, just don't know how much but I'm currently using the Diet Generator. 

I haven't weighed myself, but I tried on my bridesmaid dress (that I bought 1 size too small), and I can almost get it zipped. :grin:

 

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 Posted: 11 March 2008 10:38 pm
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Thanks Anyar: do you think the Beyond Calories might be a better fit for me? I'm just feeling so down-hearted! Really want to do well, but I definitely need more variety than what the DG offers! I've found myself cheating more this cycle than the first...a lot out of shear boredom! I'm still trying to sub like for like, but I'm sick of fish & shrimp & roast beef & ....the list goes on! I've found that if it were down to eating what was on the menu or not eating---I'd rather not eat!

Here's hoping for inspiration!                                         Sarah

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 Posted: 13 March 2008 02:28 am
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bunny000 wrote: I just wanted to throw this out there.  I have a package of sirloin steaks in the fridge and they are very lean.  My husband will be throwing them on the grill this evening.  This is my fruit day so If I sliced one up and put in on bread for my sandwich with lettuce, onion and ketchup do you think that would work as the meat for the sandwich.  Just wondering.  A hot steak sandwich would be so wonderful.

Bunny



Hi Bunny,

The instructions state that you should eat any kind of deli meat.  Deli meat is often on the fatty side.  So, I don't think your steak has to be that lean.

I'd go ahead and have the steak sandwich since I feel it's comperable to using roast beef from the deli.  I just don't think it has to be lean.

This diet has us eating high-fat foods at times.

Blackcal

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 Posted: 13 March 2008 03:41 am
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hey everyone, im new to this forum and was interested in seeing other peoples expierences on FL4I. im on my second cycle and only lost 5 lbs out a needed 15-20. i love the fact that it tells you exactly what to eat and with the 4 meals a day im not hungry. im dealing with a little of the constipation and will try the enzymes to get rid of that problem. my question that no one seemed to address was the 3 day "cheat" period. i was nervous about that and only had one meal that was fattening but i havent lost anymore weight since the beginning of the first cycle. anyone have a good or bad expierence on the 3 days off?

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 Posted: 14 March 2008 04:35 pm
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Sarah: 

Try the Beyond Calories.  Today is my 11th day (Cycle 2) and I have lost a total of 12 lbs.  Cycle 1 (Beyond Calories) couldn't stick with because I wasn't disciplined.  Cycle 2 (Diet Generator) helped me to establish that discipline. So, I've decided to switch back to Beyond Calories starting tomorrow.

I think you will do well because you have already achieved that accomplishment. Plus it might help with any boredom you've experienced by switching.

Let me know how it works out.

Jcjon22:

Welcome aboard.  Congratulations on the 5lb weight loss.  You are much closer to your weight goal.  It you read further above, I gave will68 some recommendations on constipation.  It really helped me.  I also like eating prunes, which I think I will add to my diet next cycle.

On your 3-day cheat sheet, be careful.  Don't get too out of control.  Try sticking with 4 meals/day.  Eat what you want but within moderation.  I would avoid as much as possible the really bad foods (sugar, fried foods, etc.).  Go for a good deli sandwhich, rather than the fast food hamburger and fries.  Go for a smoothie, rather than a milk shake.

A good forum for you to join is the "FL4I General Discussion" group.  There is a lot of helpful advice.  The most current posts are closer toward the last pages (like page 64).

Good luck.

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 Posted: 14 March 2008 08:04 pm
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HI, I put a post on the FL4I general board and then I saw this. Can anyone tell me if I can go back and purchase the BC diet? I didn't purchase it when I bought FL4I am I just out of luck now?

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 Posted: 14 March 2008 09:28 pm
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Hiker:

Send me a private message, and I'll explain how.

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 Posted: 15 March 2008 01:48 am
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Hiker wrote: HI, I put a post on the FL4I general board and then I saw this. Can anyone tell me if I can go back and purchase the BC diet? I didn't purchase it when I bought FL4I am I just out of luck now?

Hiker


Hiker,

I'm not happy with the results I got on my second cycle of WL4I.  So, I think I'll do Beyond Calories starting Monday.

If you are doing BC, too, want to keep in touch with each other?  I'm in Mass., too, for what that's worth.

Thanks.

Blackcal

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 Posted: 15 March 2008 07:46 pm
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OK, this is probably a stupid question but when it says, for example 2 from group 1 do I have to have 2 different things from group 1,l ike an orange and blueberries  or can I just have an orange? I do understand when it says 1 from group 1 and 1 from group 2 I need to pick from both groups but when it is within the same group?

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 Posted: 15 March 2008 07:55 pm
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Whenever it says 2 from Group1, that means you can eat either 2 fruits or just 1.

It's your preference.  I'm starting BC again tomorrow. 

To be able to eat 6 meals/day, I'm going to reduce the choices I eat per meal unless; however, it says eat 3 items from Group3, in which case that will be a salad for me (lettuce, tomotoe, cucumber).

If you chose a salad, I found that the new Salad Spritzers are really good because you can evenly spray the salad without having to use suggested 2tbls limit.  With the spray, you don't need 2tbls.

Hiker, also, if you have MS Excel or MS Works, I created a really nice spreadsheet that breaksdown everything. 

Tab1 is the tracking sheet that allows you to lay your menu out for the 10-day period, and track everything you eat.  It also allows you to track your water and your daily exercise.

Tab2 is the Food Group menu that you can choose from.

Tab3 are the rules of the diet.

Tab4 is a weight tracking schedule over 55 days.

If interested, let me know and I'll send it to you.

Rayna

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 Posted: 15 March 2008 09:44 pm
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Rayna, yes, I would love to try using your spreadsheet. Anything that helps is great.   Thanks again, I am really excited about trying this, at least from just reading it, I think it may be more suited for me.

Hiker

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 Posted: 17 March 2008 03:46 am
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Hiker wrote: OK, this is probably a stupid question but when it says, for example 2 from group 1 do I have to have 2 different things from group 1,l ike an orange and blueberries  or can I just have an orange? I do understand when it says 1 from group 1 and 1 from group 2 I need to pick from both groups but when it is within the same group?

Hiker

Hiker,

It's not a stupid question.  I was wondering the same thing.  I don't like many of the foods in Group #1 and will probably wind up selecting only a few different items from the list, so being able to double up the same food for a meal will be helpful.

Blackcal

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 Posted: 17 March 2008 04:30 pm
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Hi guys, I know I read it somewhere but of course now I can't find it....how many ounces of water are we suppose to drink daily?

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 Posted: 17 March 2008 04:34 pm
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They say 64 ounces of water is a must and 80 ounces is best. :wink:

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 Posted: 17 March 2008 04:36 pm
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And Anyar, I too would love to see the spreadsheet you created!!

 

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 Posted: 17 March 2008 04:57 pm
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Thanks AmJacie. The water is the easy part of this for me, I love water.

Anyar, those spreadsheets are fantastic! You must have put a lot of work into them.

I've had 3 of my six "meals" and so far so good. I really haven't been hungry, the real challenge will be tonight....TV time is a killer but my husband loves TV and it is really the only time we see each other so I hate to go do something else. Oh well, I will just have to deal. I will save one of my mini meals for TV time.

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 Posted: 17 March 2008 10:55 pm
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AmJacie - Sent you a PM regarding the spreadsheet.  It really helps keep me on track.  Hope it works for you.  I'm glad you enjoy drinking water.  That's one of my biggest downfalls.  Getting down 48-64 oz is a real push for me, but I've been managing to do it.  Maybe as time goes by, I'll be able to push it to 80 oz.

Hiker:  Glad to hear from you.  I'm really glad you like the spreadsheet.  As I said before, it really keeps me on track and allows me to plan my meals weekly. 

By the way, remember our conversation on stomach problems?  All I can say is P-R-U-N-E-S!! LOL 

I was watching TV last night snacking on prunes (because I like them) not realizing just how many I ate -- I will never eat that MANY AGAIN!! LOL

Rayna

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 Posted: 18 March 2008 11:20 pm
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I've gotten through my second day, only 1 "meal" left. So far I really like this better than the FL4I diet mainly because there are a lot more veggies and most days I get to have veggies with my protein once a day.  To me those two things are huge. I am really glad I tried this, at least so far.

Has anyone gone through the cycle...what did you do after 10 days?

Hiker

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 Posted: 18 March 2008 11:24 pm
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Hi Hiker...I took a break over the weekend and then restarted ( I did day 1 twice) I like it too!
SS:sun:

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 12:54 am
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Hey SS, glad to hear you like this one too. I just got my Suzzane Summers book and I have only glanced at it but it looks really good:smile:. I think you are right, it looks like it really addressess a lot of my issues. Thanks for the suggestion.

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 01:48 am
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Hiker...glad you like it...it clears up some of the science behind it, which helps us make intelligent  choices with some knowledge and info, rather than blindly "hoping for the best"...I've been trying to do some research and see what works and why, so that maintenance will work.  We need some idea of WHY  this works and WHAT works.  We can't live on fl4i or BC permanently...and I for one don't want to be yoyoing back and forth.  The fl4i does calorie shifting, carb/protein shifting, using foods that are not calorie dense, multiple small meals, limiting food choices per meal and food combining...atleast these are principles I have identified so far.  The science behind limiting food choices will work with most anything...you will eat a certain amount of any one thing at a meal before you don't want more(if it isn't binge provoking...full of sugar and fat)...so the more items per meal...the more you will eat....now if most of the items are veggies or fruit...no problem...but some items are very calorie dense and really add up calorie wise.  Let me know what you think as you begin figuring this out too...it's nice to have someone interested in what this program is all about to brainstorm with...I know some do better just blindly following diets as if they were magic.   Some people start "cheating" when they don't follow a diet to the letter and lose control...I don't want to stumble anyone who is better with strict compliance especially new people who need the discipline of learning the program and the principles it teaches  before implementing any personalization of the plan.
SS:sun:

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 02:08 am
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sunshine wrote: We need some idea of WHY  this works and WHAT works.  We can't live on fl4i or BC permanently...and I for one don't want to be yoyoing back and forth. 

Hi sunshine,

The Beyond Calories manual actually does a pretty good job describing how this particular diet works.  It's covered in detail on the first eight pages.

I don't see why you can't do BC anytime in the future when you find that a few pounds has crept back.  Also, adopting the spirit of eating more, smaller meals might help in keeping them off in the first place.

Blackcal

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 04:18 am
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sunshine, i agree that it seems difficult to expect these programs to work forever. however i have already found that on my 3 cheat days im carrying over the four meals a day in moderation and im only on my second cycle of FL4I. i think its more about establishing the good habits and thats what will carry over not so much the actual food. good luck :)))

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 04:47 am
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Yes...I agree with you both...I will use the principles...just not the the exact diet day by day on maintenance...and will use the diet any day that I feel I am gaining.
Thanks for your thoughts
SS:sun:

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 10:46 am
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It sounds like we are all of the same mind set, we are looking for something we can carry on for the rest of our lives. I really think together we are working some things out here. I think the small meals a day (either 4 or 6) and the combining seem to be key. I really hope to get into the Suzanne Somers book this week end but just the little I've seen seems to go with this program pretty well. Basically combining protein and veggies is okay and carbs and veggies but never protein and carbs. At  least that is what I got out of it on first glance. Looking ahead at my menus for BC that seems to hold true it looks like most days you get one meal where you can combine protein/veggie. And I think we all know there is going to be an occasional :pizza: in our lives.:devil:

SS, I completely agree, if we can figure out the science behind this we we'll have a good outline of what to follow.

Hiker

 

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 04:53 pm
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Hiker, you are sooooo right! I laughed out loud about the :pizza:!!!!! Glad we can all have a little humor and not take this thing so seriously! I have to say...through this lifestyle rearrangement my new late night tv snack has become :apple:s. The FUJI variety are so sweet and crunchy that they kill two birds with one stone. Just a little fyi....

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 05:13 pm
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JCJON Im right there with you on the fuji appleas, I also sometimes (I know this is bad) but I put salt on them and then I get, salty, sweet, crunchy.

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 05:14 pm
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I meant to add...another nice sweet variety are Ambrosia, they are a little hard to find around me but whenever they are available I pick them up.

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 Posted: 19 March 2008 05:25 pm
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thanks for that...im at the mercy of Krogers but i will definetly keep an eye out for the ambrosia variety. and lucky for me...I HATE SALT! hahahaha!

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 Posted: 20 March 2008 05:15 am
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Well, just checking in.

Today is my 3rd Day on Beyond Calories.  Again, haven't done good with eating six meals.  Ate 5 on Monday, and 4 on Tuesday and Wednesday.

I sure hope eating six meals will not stop me from losing.  Getting a little worried.  Need to drop about 18 more lbs by April 19th.

Haven't cheated until today. Went to my mom's who made some homemade cinammon raisin bread.  Didn't eat a slice, but broke a little piece off.

Tomorrow, starting to workout at the gym along with my 2-3 mile walks several times per week.

 

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 Posted: 20 March 2008 11:06 am
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Anyar, sounds like you are doing everything right, so you had a sliver of cinnamon bread, who could resist? Does you mom want to adopt a 50+ year old? Sorry, couldn't resist:devil:, my mom is a great mom but cooking or baking....I think not. She did make toast with cinnamon and sugar on it once I think. Does that count?

You are working out a lot, which I think is great but are you sure you're not losing inches? I bet you are, remember if your building muscle you will lose inches but not pounds, I know we like to see the results at the scale but just keep trying that dress on, you're almost there! Besides you have us all so hooked on getting you into that dress we will all show up at your house (yup, all 50 or so of us) and squeeze you into it if we have to, so keep that in mind you'd better do it or you will have 50 women, all who have been on a diet so we are in no mood for foolishness, showing up on your door step...not a pretty sight:tongue::tongue:. Seriously, you have been doing great, just keep plugging away, you will make it :thumbsup:.

Hiker

 

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 Posted: 20 March 2008 02:56 pm
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Hiker and Everyone!

I just posted this on the "General Discussion" page.  I am so excited....

"Drum Roll, Please...."


Ladies and gentlemen, as of 10:30am EST today, I was able to get in to and zip my new bridesmaid dress that I'm required to wear come April 19th.


The only problem, it will remain zipped providing I don't breathe!! LOL :nono:


Since breathing will be a requirement as I walk down the isle, stand on stage, and dance at the reception, guess I need to hang in here a couple more cycles!!


What 'da 'ya thing???


Rayna

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 Posted: 20 March 2008 03:37 pm
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CONGRATULATIONS, ANYAR :grin:!!!  thats very exciting!it sounds like this milestone will be enough to keep you motivated for the duration! you will have to post a pic of this fabulous dress when you can do the elecrtic slide in it properly! LOL!! continued success....

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 Posted: 20 March 2008 04:32 pm
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Anyar, you go girl. Breathing is not esential, well actually it is, but if necessary take very shallow breaths :devil:. Just kidding, you stay on cycle until the wedding and the dress is going to fit like a glove. 'Congratualtions.

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 01:52 am
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Hi all you BC people...this is my second cycle of BC after 4 or 5 of fl4i....I LOVE THIS PLAN :shooting_star:....I like being able to choose my items...and I like the veggies and fruit :apple:that I can have...and while I don't always get to 6...I found that four meals on fl4i was one meal too little for my day.  I am also losing better on this plan...perhaps because there is no grains ?? and I can eat less per meal because there are more mealtimes.
SS:sun:

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Hi, I've been watching these boards now for a few weeks and thought it was time to drop on in.  Two years ago, I started somersizing and lost 35 pounds.  But what was more impressive was my lab work.  I have chronic pancreatitis and my lipids stay pretty high.  My numbers are almost unheard of, my doctors almost didnt believe the numbers, but eating this way is good for me and brought my numbers way down.  (Slipped back up now).  Since then I kind of veered off it a bit and gained 12 pounds back (not bad for 2 years) but for the most part stuck to the principals of it.  I did let more carbs slip in though then I should of:dizzy:.  Anyhow, I thought I would try FL4I as kind of a prelude back to how I used to eat, just wanted to detox from the carbs.  I am on day 5 and have lost 5 pounds.  But I dont like the fact that I cant have veggies with my protein at least once a day.  I also work long hours, until about 3 am and I am finding I need a 5th meal.  I am really thinking about switching to BC, I think it is more of what I am used to as I am very familiar with concept of combining, protien/fat and carb meals.  But...I did not download the program :angry: as I thought FL4I would be okay for me.  So I need some help on how to get the program now after the fact.  Help anyone?  I really need some more veggies:chewing:.  I find myself only eating 1 item usually as how they combined these as a meal .... iick, although I do eat 2 of them if it is like cottage cheese and deli or eggs.

Anyar - Congrats on being able to see your goal now, which is so close.  After I figure our how to obtain BC after the fact, I would really be interested in seeing how you laid the program out in Excel.  I like planning my meals ahead of time so I dont have to think about it, like maybe a weeks worth and then tweak it when I need to.  It sounds like you have done all the work for me :grin:.  Please let me know if you would be willing to share this with me after I am able to get the other program.  I would really like to lose another 25 pounds by July, so while I am making progress I would really like to keep it going.

Everybody sounds like they are making great strides!

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 11:00 am
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SS, I am so glad you like this plan. It is definitely a choice but this one seems to fit my life better also. I think you have more freedom when it comes to picking you food and the 6 meals is also nice.

Autumn, welcome. I am on my 5th day of BC, before that I did a couple of cycles of the DG and l lost about 10 pounds, I wasn't as faithful as I have been with this, mostly because I wanted my veggies :crying: which on cheat led to another, etc, etc. Anyway I think if you really like those veggies this may be a better choice.Funny you should mention Somerizing, I just got the book, at SS suggestion, and it is not too far off from the BC plan. I plan to stick with BC for a couple of cycles and then I think I will try Somerizing...we will need a new website :devil:. Anyway, I think you might be happier with BC, like you I missed having veggies with my protein at least once a day, on this plan you will have that options almost every day. I think I there are 2 days in the 10 day cycle that you can't and one of them is veggies so on that one I plan on having my vegetable soup for dinner. If you want to send me a PM I can help you with getting the BC program. You must be a night owl....I am just getting up on the east coast.

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 02:39 pm
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Hi everybody!
I'm really glad that you started this thread because I downloaded both FL4I and BC and have been reading both plans and the other threads about the diets trying to decide which one to try first. I plan to start on Monday because I have a bridal shower tomorrow and with Easter being on Sunday. I am getting married at the end of this year and have tried literally everything. I am hopeful, excited and more than a little nervous about starting a new plan and again not getting results. It is really encouraging to read what all of you have posted and how positive you all are, thank you for that.

Anyar: I read about the spreadsheet you created and if it wouldn't be too much trouble I think that would really help me. I too am the sort of person who is helped by seeing everything written out in front of me and I would like to see how you have it set up.

Also, on some of the other diets I have tried, I have used them along with digestive aids and have always noticed much better results with them. I think that slow digestion is a big problem, especially amongst women because digestion can be effected by stress.

Thanks and continued good luck to everyone!
Katie

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 06:56 pm
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Hiker, sent you a PM :dog: sitting here eating my bacon yum-yum:pig:

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 07:32 pm
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Autumn...so did the Somers diet bring down your cholesterol and if so by how much? There is high cholesterol in my family and I would love to know more about the results you saw....and on that diet you can eat quite a bit of fat too, right?
Thanks for any info...if you want you could also PM me if you don't want it all on forum.
Thanks
:sun:SS
PS I found it helpful to do fl4i first to get the hang of things before giving myself choices...fl4i is very clear and teaches the discipline of eating this way.  Everyone is different but that is my opinion.

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 08:58 pm
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Sunshine, I spent 20 years in and out of the hospital with pancreatitis because of my lipids.  You are not going to believe these numbers, but I have the proof and they even amazed my docs.  When I would have an attack my triglycerides would be as high as 10,000 (normal being 135) and my cholesterol would be 1300 (normal being 200 or under).  I was able to get my triglycerides down to 500 (doc said this was great for me with where my numbers were) and my cholesterol went down to 135, which was better than most people in the office.  I have also not had a pancreatitis attack now in 2 years, came close, but if I go on clear liquids for a couple of days I can head it off.  My doc was amazed with these numbers.  

When somersizing, it is full fat, no LF and not FF.  The only time you use FF is when you are having carbs.  I will PM with any other specifics you may want.

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 09:33 pm
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Wow, Autumn...that is absolutely amazing!!!  I am soooo happy for you that you are well!!!!!..it is quite a thought that food can be our medicine or poison:shock:...even healthy people should take note of the difference  diet made in your documented blood chemistry results!!  It sure makes you wonder if many illnesses are really diet related in some mysterious way and that a change of diet would be better than a boatload of drugs:caution:....perhaps even cure some things!!  You've given me a lot to think:lightbulb: about.
Thank you for sharing your story!!

SS:sun:

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 09:34 pm
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Sunshine, I did these numbers in 6 weeks, but docs think the triglycerides being so high is what made the cholestrol so high and when the triglycerides came down within reason (for me) it helped the cholesterol come down too.  So, somersizing helped both ways.  Even DG and BC should help as they are sort of on the same lines as SSing.

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 Posted: 21 March 2008 10:12 pm
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Having pancreatitis so many times has now made me a diabetic and on Insulin, but.....with sticking with a high protien/low carb/good carb diet has kept me out of  the hospital.  SUGAR is a nasty thing.  On the flip coin, if you really need some sugar, you can have a piece of chocolate but make sure it is at least 60% cocoa.  This is allowed with SSing.  I used to hate dark chocolate, but every once in a while I buy a bar of dark chocolate 60% or more cocoa and keep the rest in the freezer for the next urge.  This may only happen maybe once a month if that.

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 Posted: 22 March 2008 12:06 am
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Hey all!!  I can feel my clothes getting loser :grin:.  Still haven't weighed in.  Gonna wait until Day 10.

JCJON22:  I will definitely post a pic once we get the pictures.  And for you, I just may do the "Electric Slide"! LOL

HIKER:  I can just see myself standing next to the bride/groom, holding my breath, turning the same color red as the dress, then passing out!  LOL  But, in all honesty, I have a feeling that dress may be a little loose come April 19th.

SUNSHINE: So glad you like BC.  I truly enjoy the ability to chose what I want to eat.  It's makes the meal planning much easier.  My only problem now, is that I'm getting a little bored.  So, today, I combined two meal options and had a McDonald's Bacon Ranch Grilled Chicken Salad.  Wow! Was it good!!

AUTUMN:  5 Lbs is great. You only have 7 more to go to lose the 12 pounds you gained over two years, which is also remarkable.  Send me a private message and I'll contact you about BC and the spreadsheet.

RICCI21:  The first diet I tried was BC.  It didn't work too well because I wasn't discipline enough to eat 6 meals/day.  I remember reading some time ago where "Sunshine" learning the discipline first.  She was absolutely correct.  It definitely helped me. If you start the DG (diet generator), after that first cycle then try BC.  After a week of the DG, I think you'll come to appreciate BC.

Further up in the thread, there was a member named "apartian" who also used digestive tablets.  She said they worked wonders. I have some (Papaya Enzyme) but they're really sweet so I'm a little concerned about using them.  "apartian" did provide a link where she bought hers so I think I will try them.

Good luck.

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 Posted: 22 March 2008 02:27 am
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Decided I am going to finish the first cycle of DG and then switch to BC.  It is much more to my liking.  Got to have some veggies tonight (was suppose to be garden salad, but had a chance to have zucchini) so I ran with the zucchini instead.  Felt like I was in heaven:rainbow:.  Gosh I cant wait until this cycle ends.  Looking forward to BC :heart:  I have 140 pages 2-sided of food that will just fit in here perfectly for the most part :smile:

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 Posted: 22 March 2008 12:23 pm
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.Hi guys. I posted this on the regular thread and then thought it migh be better posted here:

I am getting a little worried with BC, I really like it and I have sworn I will not weigh myself for the full 10 days (4 to go) but I am never hungry so I hope I am not overeating at the 6 meals. I am trying to make sure they are small, at least 5 of them one I tend to have a little larger meal. If I'm wrong I guess I'll do it again and eat less:smile:.

How is it going for you? Maybe I'm eating too much:pig:? That would not be a good thing :angry:.  Boy you just can't make me happy....I'm not happy if I'm hungry and apparently I am not happy when I'm not:tongue::tongue:. Actually I am happy just a little concerned.

One thin I didn't realize when I started this...Sunday (the one day of the week I might actually cook) is just protein or just veggies...not good planning on my part. Oh well, guess its veggie soup on Sunday.

Have a great day and to all of you who are celebrating....Happy Easter :sheep:

Hiker

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 Posted: 22 March 2008 07:51 pm
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Hiker - Hi, I'm in the same boat tomorrow, all day veggie.  You get a better choice though being on BC, I'm not allowed mushrooms!

Tip:  If you like Portobello mushrooms, cook 1 up and put it between lettuce like a hamburger.  Portobello mushrooms are so dense you can substitute them like hamburger and you would be surprised at how little difference there is in the taste.  Use whatever you are allowed to use on the program as far as condiments and you can have a great meal especially if you miss hamburgers as it seems like I only beef I see on here is roast beef, not sure if this could be switched as like-to-like, but if not you wont miss that hamburger if you substitute the Portobello mushroom for the meat.:chewing:

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 Posted: 23 March 2008 03:56 am
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Hi Hiker,

While drawing up BC menus today for Days 6 through 10, I noticed that most of the food items were being drawn from Groups 2 and 3.  That does make things tougher. 

I'm not even thinking of normal food combinations while on this diet; it's a totally unique food plan.

On Day 6 you get to do a little bit of normal food combining with Meal #1 if you want.  Maybe you could make sure Day 6 falls on Sunday, or just take it on a Sunday.  For that meal you could have, for instance, fish and a salad or ham with vegetables - anything that uses 4 items from Group #4.

Days #9 and #10 each call for 2 selections from Group 4 for Meal #1, so maybe those days would give you cooking opportunities as well.

This diet is certainly very strange.

Blackcal

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 Posted: 23 March 2008 02:09 pm
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It really is only day 7 and 8 that don't let you do some combining so it's really not that bad, I just planned wrong. I think another time I would just start on a Tuesday instead of the Monday and that would fix the problem.

Today, I am going to take Autumns suggestions and have portebella mushrooms for dinner along with another veggie or 2 so I will be fine. Just have to tough it through.:smile:

Hiker


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