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Gosnook New Member
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Posted: 20 April 2007 07:40 pm |
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Frankie,
I will add that eating food you do not really want is not the answer. I really don't like salad - I can eat till I'm full and still want crisps and chocolate! Eat what you find filling and satisfying.
Regards
Sarah
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Frankie Senior Member

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Posted: 20 April 2007 08:14 pm |
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| Boy, is that ever true! Diets that try to fill you up with veggies are doomed to fail if you just don't feel like eating veggies (in general, on that day, or day after day). I don't know how many times I've eaten both the salad and the chocolate.
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taknitoff New Member
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Posted: 22 April 2007 05:24 am |
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Hi Dobie, Zara and anyone else who pops by! As mentioned in another post, I was on this plan last year and was doing well. Someone in the family became terminally ill. I had to live out of town briefly. This meant staying in hotels and eating in restaurants. I decided not to struggle with my eating.So....... Several months later,one cruise and one land based vacation-not to mention ALL the weight gain.....Here I am! I prefer the old plan. Although I can't seem to find it anymore. Luckily, I also printed off many. I'm in my 5th day.I've only lost 3 lbs. I forgot about water consumption!! I know that if I up that and start walking it will help. It's all coming back to me now.
Grilling is great! I find that besides ground turkey,we also have turkey thighs and breasts once in a while. We also have steak once a week. This did not seem to affect my weight loss last time.
With a little willpower, and planning,this plan is enjoyable. The only downside,is the fruit and veggie day. However,if this is my only gripe........life is good.
Dobie,I'm not sure if you have heard of "cruise critic" or "cruiseline fans". They have all sorts of great info about cruises.You can even communicate with those who have been on the same ship/cruise. They also have a roll call section, where you can make contact with others who have the same sail date(same ship) as you. We've met some very nice people this way.
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Posted: 25 April 2007 09:26 am |
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Gosnook,
Thanks for your posts, but a couple comments.
1. If you want to discuss another diet plan please start a topic for it and do it there. This is for FL4I. A mention is fine, I just don't want a discussion about another plan to continue here. Thanks.
2. When someone tells me how well a plan worked for two weeks I don't pay any attention. It means nothing. Long term is what counts. In fact I don't think you can even judge a plan in under 30 days (though you might find out if you like it or not).
Thanks again,
Peter
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KellyT New Member
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Posted: 7 May 2007 11:59 pm |
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I purchased the fat loss 4 idiots and on the 5th day had to eat something else besides what was recomended to eat like a P.B. and J. sandwich. I was so hungary even after I ate what I was soposed to eat and as much as I could tolerate to eat. I was still hungary. I did lose 5 pounds in 2 days but what is that if I am hungary. I have tried almost every weight loss program and each resricted carbs so much I ended up going to the store and buying hostess cupcakes or twinkies and eating the entire box. I have asked them for my money back because this was not the right one for me. Good luck to those who can tolerate eating only meat,veggies, and fruit.
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lighten up New Member
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Posted: 8 May 2007 01:43 am |
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I've been doing this diet and actually it's very easy to follow and easy to prepare as I mostly travel day to day and I can bring the food listed. I have a hard time shopping for items as many of them go bad quick, so I am in the grocery store almost every other day. I have a question to those who have done this diet for a while. If you end up breaking the cycle (ie. eating something other than what is on for that day) do you start over with day1 or do you just continue with the day you left off with???
Thanks for your help. LU
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JulesG New Member
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Posted: 8 May 2007 01:22 pm |
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Hi Lighten Up
I have worked to this plan since Feb 2007, and found it great- this REALLY works for me.
If I eat something different, I just pick up on the day after I left off.
I have also found that on the 3 ' cheat days' I still keep away from bread, pasta, rice and potatoes- but struggle to remember to drink all the water, so this is still a small challenge for me.
Wishing you success
Jules
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Dobie Distinguished Member

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Posted: 8 May 2007 11:31 pm |
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KellyT wrote: I was so hungary even after I ate what I was soposed to eat and as much as I could tolerate to eat. I was still hungary.
I bet that either you are not getting enough water (dehydration can feel like hunger and make you binge) or your calories were far too low (less than you RMR that you can read about at http://www.caloriesperhour.com/tutorial_BMR.html.
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Dobie Distinguished Member

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Posted: 9 May 2007 12:30 am |
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lighten up wrote: If you end up breaking the cycle (ie. eating something other than what is on for that day) do you start over with day1 or do you just continue with the day you left off with???
I definately just continue with where I am. Starting over does not allow the full reset of your metabolism that this diet espouses.
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lighten up New Member
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Posted: 9 May 2007 02:04 am |
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Thanks Jules and Dobie! I've been starting over thinking it had totally upset the cycle. So if I miss 1 day with other food I will just go back to the next day on the cycle. I do lose on this diet but I gain over the 3 cheat days. (Can I ask Jules, how much you have lost on this diet since February?) Dobie, I have read most of your posts and know you have lost alot. Thanks, LU
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JulesG New Member
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Posted: 9 May 2007 11:53 am |
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Hi Lighten Up
I lost 20LB since Feb( thats all I had to loose). This time though I have found that following the 11 day plan then using the same principals over the 3 cheat days- I have kept it off, so far..
This is a MAJOR thing for me because I am the worlds BEST YO YO dieter , and have NEVER stuck to anything for this long before. 
Jules
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Red003 New Member

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Posted: 29 May 2007 06:44 pm |
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| Hi :-) Have just started Fat Loss 4 Idiots yesturday - its going well so far ... I need to loose about 20lbs before August 19th... I was just wondering though, I am a regular gym goer (about 3 times a week for 2hr sessions) but damaged the akeilies (cant spell it!! & I'm an English student - shock/horror!!) tendons in my legs, so havent been for the last month or so. I'm re-kicking my gym routine next Monday, but thats day 8 into the diet and it reccomends doing some everyday. I'm doing walking around uni but as this is exam week I've mostly been stationary trying to get everything done. Do you think this will affect my weight loss for this first section? THANKYOU!!! xxxxxxxxxxx
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lighten up New Member
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Posted: 29 May 2007 06:51 pm |
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Welcome to the diet! I did not excercise my first session just to see how it worked and I lost 5lbs. So, you should still lose weight if you don't excercise, but of course, it will help even more when you can excercise. Best of Luck! LU
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riknita New Member
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Posted: 29 May 2007 11:43 pm |
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Hi all .
started this diet 8 dyas ago - have lost 8lbs - wow.
just wanted to know if u could eat lamb instead of chicken or beef as it is not on the generator
thanks in advance 
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JulesG New Member
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Posted: 30 May 2007 12:08 pm |
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Hi Riknita
For the first few 11 day plans I would advise you stick to the choices given. After that I very occasionally swapped beef for lamb, but if you look on a calorie/fat counter web site, lamb is VERY high in both calories and fat -compared to beef. I found Lean pork to be a better option.
Good luck
Jules
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riknita New Member
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Posted: 4 June 2007 03:26 pm |
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hi
have just completed my first 11 day cycle and 2 cheat days but am a bit confused.
I lost 8 lbs in 5days, put on 2 lbs in 6 days(dont know how ) and after my cheat days, on which i was still quite good i have put on another 2 lbs bring my total to just 4lbs lost .
can anyone help!!!
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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 4 June 2007 04:20 pm |
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| if you're determined to weigh yourself every day, you could use a facility like physicsdiet.com to enter your weight every day and calculate a 'weighted moving average' trend line which will make daily weight flactuations less scary.
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JulesG New Member
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Posted: 4 June 2007 04:25 pm |
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Hiya, Jules here again
Did you perhaps become complacent after the 8lb in 5 days and start eating bigger portions ? or not eat enough- it seems to be a fine balance between satisfied, full and hungry!
Did you drink AT LEAST 2 litres of water per day?
Did you perhaps add salad or veg to a meal even if it was not listed.
And finally- the definate NO NO food is CORN, potatoes, bread( other than day 2 when it is listed), pasta and rice whilst you are following the 11 day plans- did any of these sneak into your meals?
I know this is a lot of questions for you to think about, but I did a similar thing after my 3rd 11 day plan. and actually put on weight too.
After this, I am afraid I dont know, Peter and Nir could give you technical stuff- where as my info is just based on my experience of this diet.
Jules
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riknita New Member
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Posted: 4 June 2007 04:41 pm |
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thanks for ur reply
i did add salad a few time as it was getting boring, didnt think it would hurt
i was also leaving gaps of 3-4 hrs before eating next meal sometimes longer
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Red003 New Member

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Posted: 5 June 2007 11:12 pm |
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Hi guys have been on the diet for a while now - was just wondering for all those of you who have been on the diet for longer ... does the weight loss slow down after a long period of doing it??? I haven't weighed myself yet ... don't really want to look at the scales!! Might give it another few days before I try! But heard some friends of mine talking about their weight loss slowing downon other diets once they'd be on it for a while and wondered whether the same would happen on this and if it could be avoided xxx
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JulesG New Member
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Posted: 6 June 2007 12:35 pm |
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Hi Red003
The weight loss does slow down after a while to about 2-3 lb week. This happened to me after my fourth lot of 11 day menus- but i only had 20 lb to loose so I was expecting that to happen.
How much do you want to loose? and how long have you been using the menu plan for?
I dont know if the slow down can be avoided, because that would be a healthy and more natural weight loss after a while of following any eating plan.
My only other thought would be, stick to the lists exactly as stated, drink the water and walk for the 45 mins a day, at a safe but quite rapid pace for your ability.
Good luck
Jules
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Dobie Distinguished Member

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Posted: 6 June 2007 07:03 pm |
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Good advice Jules!
    
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Red003 New Member

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Posted: 11 June 2007 10:19 am |
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Thanks for the advice! I'm nearly through my second run through it (Day 7) and I need to loose about 25-30lbs before the 20th August!! I go to the gym 3 times a week and adding some swimming time at the wkend so hopefully that should keep my metabolism ticking over! Will def make sure to keep drinking lots of water and keep up some other types of physical activity inbetween gym sessions and hopefully I should reach my goal in time. How're you finding the diet so far? xx
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JulesG New Member
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Posted: 11 June 2007 03:06 pm |
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Hi Red003
I LOVE this diet. I have been a weight watchers Yo Yo dietor most of my adult life( I am 41),tried this out of sheer desparation, and Love it.
I think it is soo easy- I never did junk food to start with, but the no refined carbs really suits my body type.
I have learned how to make the 3 'cheat' days work for me( I just follow the same principals of NO banned carbs) and still eat from a tea plate, but I do drink more alcohol!!!
Jules
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ncstategrad New Member
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Posted: 15 June 2007 10:45 pm |
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I'm a believer...
Just finished my 11th day yesterday:
Day #1 weight (morning): 206.8 lbs.
Day #12 weight (morning): 197.6 lbs.
Lost 9.2 lbs. total...not bad! Had my first real cheat meal today at lunch (Chinese buffet!) and was stuffed! This diet really shrinks your stomach!
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Dobie Distinguished Member

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Posted: 21 June 2007 07:02 am |
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| Way to go!!! Keep it up and keep us informed!
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bote11c New Member
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Posted: 25 June 2007 07:36 pm |
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Dobie,
I'm new to this diet and this portion of the caloriesperhour forums, but I just wanted to compliment you on the many attributes you bring to this board. I have read through the posts quite extensively and find that the information you share based on your personal experience is invaluable. Congratulations on your (and your spouse's) success and thanks for being such an encouraging member of this forum!
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Dobie Distinguished Member

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Posted: 27 June 2007 12:30 am |
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Cheers! Thank you for that encouragment!
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JAM New Member
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Posted: 14 August 2007 02:03 pm |
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I really want to purchase the diet but am told that there is an error each time I enter my info. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONTACT INFO???
THANKS
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Jules41 Senior Member

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Posted: 14 August 2007 04:37 pm |
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Hi JAM
May I ask what info you are putting in when the error message appears??
I have just been on the site( but as a member) and downloaded a munu, so all of that side is ok( I did wonder if the site may have dissappeared!!!)
There are no contact details, it is purely a web based site.
Jules
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braiden New Member
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Posted: 14 August 2007 05:03 pm |
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Hi,
I am on my second cycle of this diet. The first time I only lost 4lbs, then on my cheat days I gained 2 back. After the first 11 days I was a little disappointed that I only lost 4, but I thought that's better than on most diets, so I decided to go at it again. This time I printed both a regular menu and a vegetarian menu and looked at the food types for each day. I discovered if day 1 had 2 protein meals, 1 carb meal, and 1 carb/protein combo meal on the regular menu, so did the vegetarian menu. This was great because it gave me even more choices (which means I don't have the urge to "cheat" and eat something not listed)! Even though you get to pick foods you like, with only one or two choices per meal and many days the menu looks the same, it got a little boring and the food combinations were not very appealing to say the least. Anyway, so far with this cycle I am on day 7 and have lost 7 lbs. Now this is more like it!!!
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JAM New Member
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Posted: 14 August 2007 06:45 pm |
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| I want to purchase this diet and keep getting told there's an error when I type in my info. Does anyone know how I can reach a sale rep?
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JAM New Member
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Posted: 14 August 2007 06:53 pm |
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When I type in my name, card # and so forth, I get the same message popping up with a red x that says error. I don't understand it. I know my card is good and I've tried this 6-7 times. It's #%@&!, because I really want to try this diet.
Smiles...
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nevd Distinguished Member

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Posted: 14 August 2007 07:10 pm |
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Depending on what you weigh initially, any pounds you lose could be mainly water.
A much better measure of your progress (since it's not affected by body water) is to track your body fat %.
A simple, cheap skinfold calliper is all you need. It provides great feedback about your actual fat loss, as opposed to weight loss.
I know nothing about the diet you've chosen, but any change in diet that entails eating less and eating differently is usually enough to trigger some changes.
What happens in the long term is what's important, which is why it's vital to have a back-up plan (ie what you're going to do when you reach your target so that you retain your success).
Most people diet, then gain, then diet and gain again - ad infinitum. It's what keeps the people who run the weight loss industry in yachts and Rolls Royces!
Good luck with your 'second' cycle, but do yourself a favour and stop monitoring only 'weight loss'.

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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 14 August 2007 09:45 pm |
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| Any chance you can try again, and post the exact error message in here?
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JAM New Member
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Posted: 15 August 2007 05:03 am |
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I tried to purchase the diet again. All I'm getting is a red x and it says "There was 1 error on the page. Unable to process your order at this time." I'm visiting my family and I tried again with my Mom's card and the same thing happened. I checked everything over and I can't see where the mistake is being made.
Thanks,
JAM
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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 15 August 2007 06:27 am |
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I should just clarify that although there is an affiliate link to purchase this plan through the forum, we have no more contact details for them than anybody else, your best bet is to try to email them directly (or try from another computer). Personally I would find it frustrating to deal with such a company.
I had something analagous happen to me. I was impressed with a deal that was proposed to me (a free mobile phone, free minutes, free line rental by redemption, and even a substantial discount on my monthly ADSL/broadband costs) and all with a company that is owned/backed by a well-known large player in the market. Yet I'm using W2K/IE6 on this laptop and every time I visited their website my IE crashed with fanfare. So I decided to pass on the deal - if they can't be bothered to be compatible with such a common piece of software, do I really want to deal with them?
ps while you're waiting for the chance to go on this diet, why not look at this one.
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Hillary New Member
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Posted: 16 August 2007 09:24 pm |
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I don't know if "scam" is the right word. I would say the diet promises more than it is likely to deliver. I just finished my first "cycle." I followed the plan religiously: never substituted foods, never overate. I even exercised. However, I did do one thing you're not supposed to do: I checked my weight daily. Oddly enough, I lost 4 pounds by day 2, gained them all back by day 8, and lost them again (plus one for a whopping total of 5 pounds) by day 11. So, I guess they're not kidding when they say the diet confuses your body.
I shudder to think what the result of the 3 cheat days are going to be, although I'm trying not to overeat or to go too wild with the refined sugars. Overall, I am thinking I will come away with this having lost some weight, but not necessarily any more than I would have lost with 11 days of portion control, healthy choices, and moderate exercise.
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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 16 August 2007 11:12 pm |
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| What attracted you to this particular plan?
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Hillary New Member
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Posted: 16 August 2007 11:36 pm |
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| Who? Me?
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Posted: 16 August 2007 11:42 pm |
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Hi Hilary,
I did the same thing the first time I did the cycle-you described what happened to me perfectly. I too drank my water, watched my portions, never substituted foods, never overate, exercised, and weighed myself daily. On my cheat days I watched my food intake and drank all the water, but still gained back 2. I'm 5'7" and weighed 176.5 with 33.5% body fat, at the end of cycle 1 I weighed 172.5 and my body fat dropped to 31.6%. After my cheat days, my weight went back up to 174.5, but my body fat stayed at 31.6%. I decided to stick with it and try another cycle because it really wasn't that hard and it cut my cravings- I was a fast food junkie. So far this cycle (I'm on day 9) I have lost 8.5lbs and another 1.8% body fat, taking me to 166 and 29.8%.
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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 16 August 2007 11:46 pm |
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Hillary wrote: Who? Me?
Yes.
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Hillary New Member
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Posted: 17 August 2007 01:25 am |
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Well, I found the fat loss 4 idiots site accidentally while looking for something else that was diet-related. I'm not obese by any means but have struggled with my weight for a long time, going up and down between 133 and 155 pounds over the years (I'm 33 now). I saw the advertisement and thought it would be great if I could lose that last 5-10 pounds, thereby gaining the confidence to just maintain a healthy pattern of eating without dieting afterwards.
Like I said, I went from 141 to 136 pounds, but it was all down-up-down again, so I have my concerns about whether that weight loss will last and whether it was fat loss/ water loss/ brain cell loss/ etc. Also, it wasn't 9 pounds, which was a little disappointing too.
Getting back to your question, the biggest selling points of this diet for me were as follows: there was an option for vegetarians, and I am one of those (this was definitely the most attractive feature for me); the food choices sounded fairly healthy, albeit pretty light on the complex carbs; and, I'm a real believer in the common sense approach of paying attention to your body's natural signs of hunger and satiation, so I liked it that that was a component of the diet plan.
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Posted: 17 August 2007 04:37 am |
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In my opinion, no-body can lose 9lb of fat in 11 days. There will always be a significant amount of water loss component, and the fact that the "diet" mentality is repeatedly enforced (by having you baloon up with extra carbs and sodium by having you have 3 'cheat' days) means that you've regained most of the water weight, ready to once more experience some 'dramatic' loss on the next cycle. Obviously someone with 100+ pounds to lose is more likely to experience a dramatic water loss, on any plan, just as those with more to lose are likely to lose at the 2lb/week rate when people who are nearer to goal will likely lose at 1lb/week [on any plan].
As a vegeterian, presumably you're aware that sticking primarliy to vegetables, fruits and beans/lentils (whilst limiting dairy and grains) is your non-diet ticket to loss and maintenance.
The reason why I asked the question is that I think that some people pick this plan simply because they like being told what to do (they like following someone else's rules), whilst others generally don't, but they try the diet because they've been promised some 'magic' results. It reminds me of how I tried following Atkins back in 2003/2004 because, having read about the "metabolic advantage", I wanted to prove the book wrong - to do an experiment to see if I could disprove the magic claim.
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Hillary New Member
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Posted: 17 August 2007 06:20 am |
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| So what happened when you did Atkins?
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Nir Senior Administrator

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Posted: 17 August 2007 11:33 am |
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I did lose weight, despite counting calories to make sure I ate what I thought was a high number of calories, though at that point I wasn't familiar with the concept of BMR/RMR so I didn't realise that you should be eating more calories at any rate. I also lacked context [I didn't know how effectively I would lose with the same number of calories on a normal (higher-carb) diet]. Eventually I was frustrated with the limitation on fruit, even on the more relaxed phases of the program and so was forced to admit I was no longer folllowing any part of it.
(though I'll always be grateful to Atkins for educating me about the low nutrient density of sugar and flour, and for getting me back into exercise after about 8 years of inactivity. There are about 5 places in that book where he tells you that if you're not exercising, you're not really doing Atkins !)
[It took a few more years for me to be really turned off by the high saturated fat content of Atkins, and recognise that health matters every bit as much as weight loss]
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Posted: 17 August 2007 03:36 pm |
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Dear Braiden:
Thanks for your reply. Sounds like you're getting the results you wanted, and that's nice for you. I see that I'm back to my original weight of 141 again after one very moderate cheat day, so I think I'll sheepishly abandon this program and resort back to healthy choices, smaller portions, and exercise.
Best of luck, if you are continuing on this strange diet.
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Posted: 20 August 2007 07:55 pm |
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Hello Everyone
I'm a newbe and wanted to know approximately how old is everyone. I'm 40 turning 41 and looking for something to help me loose some weight. I'm currently 15 lbs overweight and really have tried all kinds of diets to loose the weight and nothing seems to help. Is FL4I program a really good plan to follow. My husband needs to loose some weight too, and he looses really fast, but I'm not quite as lucky. I do exercise 2-3 days a weeks when I can, but even with that, I haven't lost anything. Can really use some advise from anyone who has been on the plan. I don't want to waste precious money on something that won't work...been there, done that.
Thank you
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dennymas Senior Member

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Posted: 22 September 2007 08:42 pm |
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Hi Everyone. I'm new to the diet and forum. I have read ALL of the old forum notes and am excited to get started. I feel like I know so many of you already. The forum seems to have slowed down a bit so I hope it can get going strong again.
I am 49 years old and my husband is 60. We could both stand to lose about 50+ pounds. I guess my biggest motivation is that I can see my health starting to decline. I'm 49 but feel 69. I have plantar faciitis in both of my feet which has slowed down my walking considerably. Went to the doctor this week and was told that I have high BP. Was told to monitor for a few weeks and then come back to be put on meds if it was not any lower. That is something that I do NOT want to do if I can help it. We have a young child still living at home and I don't feel that I can get out and do the things that she wants to do. And it's all because I am overweight. That is something that I can change and do something about.
I have tried low carb, (which worked well for us). I did the cabbage soup diet and negative calorie diet (very similar) If I have to look at cabbage soup again I think I will barf. This programs seems like it will be easy to stick to. I am very motivated and disciplined when I put my mind to something.
So I hope some old members will pop back in to get the support going again. Oh, we will be starting our program Monday.
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amazon New Member
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Posted: 24 September 2007 07:06 pm |
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dennymas wrote: Hi Everyone. I'm new to the diet and forum. I have read ALL of the old forum notes and am excited to get started. I feel like I know so many of you already. The forum seems to have slowed down a bit so I hope it can get going strong again.
Hello Dennymas. I used to be on this diet, which I love because I like all the food you are allowed to eat and as long as you are organised enough to prepare tomorrow's meals the evening before it is bliss not having to count calories or stress about what you are "allowed". Also I never felt hungry. However I have been off it for a while now and put on a lot of weight over the summer holidays, and need to lose about 20lbs. I started today and am feeling very positive, but was quite surprised when I logged on to see that this forum has indeed slowed down a lot, so here I am from merrie England signing up again. I am determined not to weigh myself every day like I did last time but will check every week or so to see how everyone else is doing.
Trish
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