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Dr.LT
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Posted: 22 March 2006 03:55 am |
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Well I can guess what you are saying.....
I try to lose weight and I get great success, but why do I stop losing or why do I gain it back ? Or even worse for those of you...Why can I NOT lose weight at all?
The truth with weightloss is that we are a misinformed society. We tend to believe what is presented to us in a flashy, glitzy manner and we take that information to be true. We have a nasty little habit to believe what our friends and loved ones believe to be true and they dupe us into believing this information which in reality can actually be a perpetuation of misinformation.
The term diet is to state that you consume food to maintain your life. But what we tend to do is associate diets with something that you do for a period of time to get a specific result, and after that result is achieved then you resume your previous dietary habits (usually those inadvertently taught to you from your parents or guardians... IE: Macaroni and cheese, meat and potatoes...Desserts!!)
What we should be focusing on is a diet that you can visualize that you will be doing in 5 to 10 years from now. THAT is your diet, and not something that you do for 4 to 10 weeks. This is one of the things that can get you the wrong results.
Another big problem is the thought that you have to lose weight to be healthy. This is the farthest thing from the truth, because you have to BE HEALTHY TO LOSE WEIGHT. (RE-READ what I just said) The reason so many people have weightloss issues is because their bodies are in a state of Dis-Ease. When you are working well you do not have weight issues, but if your body is in a state of Dis-Ease is is NOT working well.
For example, did you know that there are 4 basic body shapes? (and I am NOT talking about ectomorph, mesomorph and endomorph) There are basic body shapes that are telltale SIGNS that your body is in a state of disfunction. 1) Adrenal dysfunction body shape 2) Thyroid dysfunction body shape 3) Liver dysfunction body shape and 4) Ovary dysfunction body shape. I will get into this at a later time if people show the interest. There are also 6 Hormones that will aid in weightloss, yet contrary to those there are 3 Hormones that will lead to weight GAIN. How many of you knew that info? Also, did you know that you can only Physically lose 1 to 2 pounds of fat a week PERIOD? For those of you that say you lost more....sorry...!!! But you lost Mostly WATER.
So all in all, I am trying to tell most people that the reason that we have weight issues in North America is that we are misguided and misinformed. There is no such thing as a magic pill or a miracle treatment. But there are simple rules that you should follow to get your body HEALTHY. If the time and energy is spent wisely you will lose the weight, but you better have the right goal in mind (YOUR HEALTH not your weight).Last edited on 22 March 2006 04:04 am by Dr.LT
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Posted: 22 March 2006 04:48 am |
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Well said!
And for those reading this who have come directly to this forum, please look around via the links on the homepage. That's what this website is all about.
Peter
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http://www.eatwellandexercise.com/
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Lori
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Posted: 22 March 2006 04:56 am |
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i am interested in knowing more about the body shape thing.. this is the first time i have heard of it.. .. interesting..
i believe all of what u are saying.. i have been losing between 500g to a kilogram a week.. sometimes a bit less.. and i know that if i dont stick to my LIFESTYLE change i WILL gain back all the weight i have worked so hard to get off.. so for me.. there is no diet.. i have changed the way i think and feel about food.. as well as what i put in my mouth..
happy days to you.. and i look foreward to reading more of ur posts..
LORI
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Posted: 23 March 2006 06:27 am |
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Posted: 23 March 2006 06:38 pm |
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For example, did you know that there are 4 basic body shapes? (and I am NOT talking about ectomorph, mesomorph and endomorph) There are basic body shapes that are telltale SIGNS that your body is in a state of disfunction. 1) Adrenal dysfunction body shape 2) Thyroid dysfunction body shape 3) Liver dysfunction body shape and 4) Ovary dysfunction body shape.
Surely there must be 5 basic body shapes (or isn't there one for healthy folk?). Was the import of your message that we are ALL dysfunctional to some extent or other?
That would seem to contradict your other statement that you must be healthy in order to lose weight. Which of us is healthy is we're all dysfunctional?
I'm not sniping here, by the way. I am interested in what your post was trying to communicate. Just confused by the information.
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Posted: 25 March 2006 02:33 am |
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I have had a few responses as to the body shapes. First thing is with relation to the question of 5 body shapes.... Do not confuse the issue of dysfunction and functional. As I stated before, pertaining to the dysfunctional there are 4 body shapes that point toward areas of dysfunction. There are not 5 body shapes. Now I know what you are saying...there has to be a neutral....and there is. This body shape is what you see normal pictures in your doctors offices or in text books (definately NOT in fashion and glamour magazines). This is what is a normal physique, but normal is a relative term. Normal has it's variances too, that is what makes us unique, BUT if the normal body shape takes on characteristics of the dysfunctional body shapes then it can denote of dysfunction in these areas. I would recommend you do a search for Dr. Berg and Body Shapes to find out more, considering that I am not him.
But if an organ system has a dysfunction it can lead to characteristics that are seen in these body shapes. For those of you that search and find his materials I suggest that you look at where the body organ position is in relation to where there is bodyfat weight gain. Basically, it is located around the organ of dysfunction. As for the hormones previously talked about, these hormones are related to the dysfunctional metabolic system that help out with weightloss. If your organs are deficient then your hormones can be deficient, so if your hormones are deficient that pertain to weigtloss, then you cannot lose weight. Simple as that.
As for the weight gain, there are 3 hormones that will lead to an increase of fatty tissues. These again can be sought through Dr. Berg. Regardless, what I am trying to say is that you have to be KIND to your body so that it will be Kind to you. Learn that not all food is good for you (ESPECIALLY Simple sugars like CARBOHYDRATES, Starches and ALCOHOLS as these WILL NOT allow you to lose weight !!!)
Hopefully this clears up a little of my notes from before. I must run I have patients to attend to. So in the meantime, Good luck in your searches.
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pipermac
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Posted: 25 March 2006 03:45 am |
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Carbohydrates wont allow you to lose weight??????
then how did I lose 60lbs? I ate carbs.
why are are athletes like Marathon runners skinny? they eat carbs.
Carbs are important and there is nothing wrong with "Good" Carbs.
Excess Calories make you gain weight and a deficit makes you lose. Nothing can change that no matter how you try to slice it.
If it were carbs that made us fat then why are the japanese and chinese some of the leanest people in the world? They eat a very high carb diet.
You seem to be saying a lot in your posts but with very little explanation.
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Dr.LT
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Posted: 27 March 2006 10:48 pm |
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First thing I should state here is that I am trying to help people lose weight and keep it off, but it is also my duty to help you maintain a healthy body in the process. I can talk for 6 hours on all the different information that I have that pertains to weightloss, but it covers a heck of alot more that the concept of just losing weight. So when I mention something, I am giving you the reader's digest version and not the seminar that this venue should really be in.
With regards to my comments, UNDERSTAND this...I am trying to help people lose weight in the most optimum way possible, and in doing so I am trying to allow people to not just SPIN THEIR WHEELS (so to speak). When I say that Carbohydrates will not allow you to lose weight, that is True, especially when you are talking about Maximizing your weightloss or keeping your body well in the process.
Fat burning only occurs after your available blood sugar supply has been depleted. I understand what some of you are saying, with regards to having carbohydrates as a fuel, and yes I agree that there are carbohydrates that work better with the body than some of the ones that do not work with the body. So when someone says to me that they were eating carbohydrates and they lost weight... I would have to say that I agree that the available blood sugar had to be exhausted from the carbohydrates that you ingested and this will fuel your muscles, cardiovascular system and bodily processes (this is called Sugar Burning... not Fat Burning) once the excess carbohydrates are used up now you can get into weightloss. You do not lose weight here......you are only losing the ingested sugar and carbohydrates, but after you work off that sugar...now you can start to lose fat. But if you physically stress out your body or if you do not burn off that sugar you ingested YOU WILL NOT LOSE WEIGHT!!!!
Going back to the last comment that was made by pipermac, Yes Asians do consume carbohydrates and yes they are thin, this type of carbohydrate does not lead to heavyset individuals, but Asians live in asia and do not have the same types of processed foods or sugar-laden foods that we have, ALSO they have a greatly enriched diet of vitamins, minerals, fish oils and vegetables (which is something that we lack more of in the west.) So I do not find that comment of relavence here, when you are comparing apples to oranges. Yes they have a round body, yes they both have skins and grow on trees, but they still have their differences.
So there are types of carbohydrates that DO NOT lead to OBEISITY, this does NOT mean that those foods DO NOT cause problems in the body. Again I am NOT looking at weightloss as a one-dimensional problem, your body is made up of alot of systems and these systems require different fuels and perform different functions. So think of the old yin/yang analogy, you cannot have one action happen without a response from something else. So do not think that weightloss is ONLY done by exercising or eating less carbohydrates...THAT IS WAY TOO SIMPLE OF AN EXPLANATION ONTO HOW THE BODY WORKS.
SO, Yes, Marathon runners can keep their weight down due to sugar burning and fat burning, but to what cost to their bodies? I know that runners are not the most healthy people, look at all the runners that die when they are supposidly healthy individuals (2 police officers died in LA due to the last marathon those individuals ran.) I am not only loking at the diet...I am looking at the damage done to the body due to the MOST problematic food substances that we put in our bodies, namely SUGAR and other carbohydrates (but I am not limited to those being the only limiting factors affecting the human body). Sugar causes havoc in the body it produces Insulin Resistance Handling problems which lead to Diabetes, increases adrenal stress in the body which leads to decreased muscular activities and joint support, it is indirectly related to decreased immune responses so you get sick easier, and it has links to degenerative processes in the body. This is the same equivalency as to putting a high octane jet fuel into your automobile, sure you can run it and get great results from it, but what will happen to your car in the long run (YOU WILL BURN OUT YOUR CAR'S ENGINE.)
So to that I say, Great you can lose weight by eating carbohydrates, but my questions are: Did you maximize your weightloss? as in, How much time did you waste in your weightloss campaign that could have been more efficiently used? What other damage did you do to your body (organs, vitamin and mineral contents, cortisol responses, immune system, healing capabilities...etc) in the process of you trying to take care of your symptom (the fat) and not your problem (your health) ?
Carbs ARE NOT IMPORTANT, when talking about energy for the body, but yes, they help to increase blood sugar which is a fuel source. So when you make a comment like "Carbs are important and there is nothing wrong with "Good" Carbs." I say, sure go ahead with that concept, I am sure that somehow you might get your results achieved, but then again I ask these questions "Do you still have the ability to keep the weight off?" and / or "To what cost was this weightloss to your body?"
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Sushikitty
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Posted: 28 March 2006 04:07 am |
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Quite glad to see that someone else is trying to give a more sensible view of things on this forum. It should not simply be about the unidimensionality of weight loss, but rather the complexity of the body and its diverse systems, as well as one's overall health. People are so obsessed with the speed at which they can attain their (sometimes quite outrageous) weight loss goals that they forget what they should be doing in the first place, which is to improve the body's health.
It's frustrating to see someone claim that their "lifestyle change" into a celery and rice cake eater has helped them lose an impossible amount of weight in an impossible time frame. However, I think that we can agree that a healthy diet should include foods that will provide all the necessary nutritional macromolecules, including carbohydrates (alcohol is not a carbohydrate). It is not healthy to exclude carbohydrates from one's diet in order to lose weight, but that seems to be the message in your last post. What would you propose for people to eat, if starch is so bad for you? And how are carbs not important when talking about energy for the body? They are and should be the body's main fuel source! What you seem to be stating is that people should cut out carbohydrates from their diet in order to lose weight, but that goes against your message for health before weight loss. How would you be able to keep the weight off if you did so without eating carbohydrates? Besides, sugar on it's own does not lead to diabetes, a large excess of sugar does.
Frankly, I don't think that it's fair to be so harsh towards runners. The major problem in North America is lack of movement, not an excess thereof. The people who died in marathons were probably predisposed to cardiovascular problems and put too much of a demand onto themselves. That is not the case in the majority of people. Moderate exercise has so many more health benefits than injury risks, when performed properly, and most of the people I know run non-marathon distances.
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pipermac
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Posted: 28 March 2006 05:56 am |
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Sorry but you are preaching a bunch of nonsense. And I dont think you actually understand how the body processes foods.
read my post about Understanding how the body works. You are just contributing to the Myth about Carbs.
You cannot change the Law of energy. ....which is what you are doing when you try to say that Carbs will hinder weight loss or lead to weight gain.
Weight loss and gain still come down to Strictly Calories in Vs Calories out. It makes very little difference where those calories come from.
And Dont Talk to me About Diabetes...I am a diabetic..Type 1 for 26 years...You can not say the Sugar and carbs Cause Diabetes....because nobody can say what causes it as it is still unknown. The few things that are known is that Obesity puts you at larger risk. But eating Carbs and suger does NOT cause diabetes.
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Peter
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Posted: 28 March 2006 09:02 am |
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Sushikitty,
This is from my product page on ETL:
Many diets have a goal of weight loss and place that goal above the dieter's health. The goal of ETL is health, but there is an unavoidable consequence to eating healthy foods: achieving a healthy weight.
Peter
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pipermac
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Posted: 28 March 2006 10:13 am |
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DR LT,
ITs Interesting, a While back people used to think that Too much Fat is what mad you fat, but that has been shown to be false. Do you know why this wis thought or why it is now false?
Its the Same reason that Cabs dont make people fat! This is Simply because ALL Excess Calories will result in Fat Gain. And Virtually all Defecit in calories will result in Fat Loss. I say virtually because the exception is the rare occurance when the body actually feeds off its own muscle for energy)
People used to Believe too much fat made people fat because the body only Uses a Small amount of Fat each day, and any excess fat gets stored as fat. This Is true...It does get stored as fat and it gets stored as fat a lot eaiser and more quickly then carbs or protein. But guess what? It doesnt matter.
Your ARguement about the Body using Blood Glucose first is so completely off it is funny.
First off, The Body Only Uses blood clucose for energy immediately after the glucose has formed..The body takes what it needs and then Insulin comes into play.....Insulin is released and stores as much of the blood glucose in Glycogen, if there is any left over it then stores it as fat.
Your arguements miss so much since you are concentrating at very small moments in time. You say that because the body uses Energy from "Glycogen" fprimarily rather then fat that you are not losing maximum Fat. This Is completely false.
You have to look at a long period of time to truly understand this. Lets look at a 10 Day Period.
In Those ten days you ate 20,000 Calories and you Burned 25,000 Calories. It doesnt matter Where you burned those calories from
It is impossible to have burned all those calories from Glucose/Glycogen. As the Body can only store about 1500 calories worth.
So Lets just say that none of the 20,000 calories were stored as fat. so it was all stored as glycogen (This is just hypothetical) This means the most amount of the calories that were burned that could have come from Glucose/glycogen is 20,000. That leaves 5000 calories, Guess where that comes from? FAT.
No Lets go the other way, Lets say that somhow you tricked your body into Only burning calories from fat! (Ketososis) so you have burned 25,000 calories of fat! Great you must have lost a ton of weight! Wrong! this is because since you have not been taking energy from Glucose/Glycogen. then your body hasnt been storing any, If it hasnt been storing any then what has it been doing with them? It has been storing them as FAT. So in this scenario those 20,000 Calories have been stored as FAT. the Net Result...you have burned 5000 Calories of fat.
Guess what..the result is the same both ways.
IT doesnt matter how you look at it, It doesn matter if a food is stored as fat or as glycogen, and it doesnt matter if during an activity if you burn glycogen or you burn fat. All Excess Calories ar stored as fat and all calorie deficits Burn Fat.
IF you are burning all Glucose/ Glycogen eventually the body has to go to fat. for energy as the Glucose /Glycogen will run dry. If you are burning Fat instead the your Glycogen gets Full adn you start Storing More Fat.
The Results are still the exact same!
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Posted: 28 March 2006 10:36 am |
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I'm becoming disappointed with this thread:
It started off interesting, but now it's descended into an "I'm right, so everything your say is wrong" debacle.
One of the problems is that some of the posts are long and involved. I don't see how that (or convoluted arguments about how the body's digestion works) will help people who want to shed body fat. They're not looking for abstruse argument - they want simple advice.
So I'll just make a couple of comments, then shut up.
- Carbohydrates - I lost a significant amount of weight on a diet that was essentially 60% carbs, 25% protein and 15% fat. Since then I've seen many people follow my method with similar success. So I can't see how remarks like 'weight gain being impossible when eating carbs' helps anyone. I can conclude from personal observation that it's not an infallably accurate statement.
- As Peter points out, most diets are completely unrealistic, both in their constituents and in their approach. It's unfortunate but true that most people want to lose 'weight' at too fast a rate. That's why they 'fall off' one diet, then later start another (whatever is touted as this year's new thing).
Any 'diet' can only work if the dieter perseveres, and most diets fail probably because they're unsustainable, not because they include this food or that food.
Whew! Better stop before this post becomes too long...
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pipermac
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Posted: 28 March 2006 02:02 pm |
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nevd wrote: I'm becoming disappointed with this thread:
It started off interesting, but now it's descended into an "I'm right, so everything your say is wrong" debacle.
One of the problems is that some of the posts are long and involved. I don't see how that (or convoluted arguments about how the body's digestion works) will help people who want to shed body fat. They're not looking for abstruse argument - they want simple advice.
So I'll just make a couple of comments, then shut up.
- Carbohydrates - I lost a significant amount of weight on a diet that was essentially 60% carbs, 25% protein and 15% fat. Since then I've seen many people follow my method with similar success. So I can't see how remarks like 'weight gain being impossible when eating carbs' helps anyone. I can conclude from personal observation that it's not an infallably accurate statement.
- As Peter points out, most diets are completely unrealistic, both in their constituents and in their approach. It's unfortunate but true that most people want to lose 'weight' at too fast a rate. That's why they 'fall off' one diet, then later start another (whatever is touted as this year's new thing).
Any 'diet' can only work if the dieter perseveres, and most diets fail probably because they're unsustainable, not because they include this food or that food.
Whew! Better stop before this post becomes too long...
Your are very right. But this is not a matter of what "Works" and what doesnt "Work"
Anything that makes you eat less calories then you burn will "work".
I am all for People stating there own opinions. But when ones Opnion is Based on something that is not true it should be brought up and corrected.
Dr Lt's Opinions about Carbs are not True...They are lies...Maybe not his Lies..he may believe them...but they are lies all the same. This isnt based on opinions but are based on science. Unfortunately the world is full of these lies. The Carb Lie has been highly publized by the Marketing machine know as the Atkins Revolution.
and just to add I believe that Understanding these things will help many people shed body fat. For one thing many people believe that it is the "Carbs" that are the problem......but they cant live with out eating them..when they do eat them they think they have just ruined their diet and the more this happens they just give up. or they dont even start in the first place.
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Posted: 28 March 2006 02:14 pm |
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They are lies...
How about we settle for 'exaggerations'?
I don't agree either (as per my post above), but I'd like to keep these forums as user-friendly as they've been thus far.
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pipermac
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Posted: 28 March 2006 05:00 pm |
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OK...Or Myths! :)
But I do believe that they initially were lies by whoever started it. Particularily the Atkins people. I believe it started out as lies in order to SELL the diet. It gradually grew into something Bigger and became so big that for many people it is accepted as fact.
It is just an example that if a Lie is told enough times it begins to be accepted as truth.
And To Reiterate I am not Calling Dr LT a Liar. I have no doubt he believes what he says.
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Posted: 28 March 2006 06:20 pm |
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OK, let's go with myths... (It's all Greek to me).
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Sushikitty
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Posted: 29 March 2006 01:03 am |
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Peter, that was exactly what I wanted to say. I am a great supporter of the "once you achieve a healthy lifestyle, a healthy weight will follow" regimen. However, this healthy lifestyle must be sustainable or the positive consequences will disappear faster than they arrived. Granted, a rice cake and celery diet of < 1000 calories a day may (that's a big may here) be healthier than a fast food diet of > 3000 calories a day, but it will never be sustainable.
We live in a society where everything's got to be quick quick quick or else it doesn't work. We have tapes that claim to teach foreign languages in 21 days, elaborate meals that claim to cook themselves in 15 minutes and diet programs that claim to allow you to lose 5 lbs in a week (along with celebrity moms who strut their pre-pregnancy body around only a month after giving birth) and these all build unrealistic expectations. People begin to believe that quick and simple is the only way to go and they become trapped in this thought. They do the calorie counting like they would a math game and say, "ok, today I will binge and tomorrow I will starve, as long as I hit -3500 calories a week I will lose a pound on the scale." Well the body does not work in such absolute terms and more often than not this type of mentality leads to disappointment, not to mention the health consequences that make it unsustainable.
I agree that we shouldn't get too caught up in the biochemistry of things, because even the experts haven't got that worked out completely yet. What I don't agree with is when people propose dietary changes that are clearly meant as a short-term fix and call that a lifestyle change.
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Posted: 30 March 2006 12:12 am |
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First things first. I have to tell everyone that I am NOT knocking runners...I am stating that Marathon runners put undue stress onto their bodies and this can be a health risk...that is why we see people having heart attacks (yes they may have preexisting cardiovascular problems, BUT do not believe that it can only be a genetic factor or a dysfunctional body part but that it CAN be related to the foods you eat!!!) but I am saying that physical stress affects the body in different ways..and this IS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR ALLOWING THESE BODIES TO BECOME RUN DOWN.
I can only blame my lack of description in the comments that I make that then get misconstrude as to meaning something else. I am a runner myself and pay attention to what my body can handle... yet I try to expand my current levels of fitness always, but in some people, they push their bodies too hard and this can cause it to break down THIS IS NOT TO SAY ALL MARATHON RUNNERS!!!!!!! I am only saying that Marathon runners tend to have a habit of pushing their bodies, sometimes beyond it's limits and that is NOT HEALTHY. That was my meaning in the comments that MARATHON RUNNERS are not the healthiest people, not RUNNERS in general, because that would make me a hippocrite.
As for the comment that sugar causes diabetes. This is a blunt way of putting the comments. Again it is something that cannot be summed up in one sentence. Diabetes IS A SUGAR HANDLING PROBLEM. No and's if's or but's.
The body gets worn out due to an over use of the Beta cells (Islets of Langerhans) in the pancreas. This causes two things to occur 1) the body has alot of blood sugar elevation so to help balance this the body secretes Insulin to lower the sugars levels by either helping to convert it to Glycogen (sugar storage in the muscles and organs) or to fat storage. So when the body has alot of insulin in the blood stream then it tends to (over time) decrease the insulin receptor cells that allow the sugar to get into the muscles or organs (this happens because of over exposure of insulin, the body can only process so much glycogen and fat, the excess starts to spread into different areas like staying elevated in your blood sugar levels or now showing up in your URINE.)
So this tends to reduce the insulin receptors in the body this is called Diabetes Type 2 or Diet Controlled Diabetes. Then there is the second version, where the body has BURNT OUT many of the pancreatic beta cells and it now cannot keep up with the insulin demand required to store the sugar as glycogen or fat. Now you turn to an external version of the hormone Insulin to help process the elevated sugar levels. This will lead to what is called as Diabetes Type 1 or Insulin controlled diabetes.
This problem will not ever be corrected by medications, but if you correct your diet and your carbohydrate intake you can help the functioning of the body in the processing of blood sugar levels. This will help to regulate your sugar levels and IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR MEDICAL DOCTOR, help you to lower your needs for insulin. AGAIN (I AM NOT TELLING PEOPLE TO GO OFF OF MEDICATIONS, THIS IS NOT MY JOB....TALK TO YOUR M.D. and he or she can make that call to reduce your medications.)
REGARDLESS, Diabetes IS a sugar handling problem, and I am sorry if some people on this website get defensive at this comment, but this statement is not mine alone, this is the current knowledge base in reducing diabetes in individuals. I have helped many people with their diabetes and had great success in enabling their bodies to function properly.
So in essence of splitting hairs, I mention the aspect of simple sugars to emphasize the stress that they put on the body, and how they affect your ORGAN SYSTEMS not just weight loss. In the parameters, of weightloss I am talking about AGAIN MAXIMIZING YOUR LOSS OF WEIGHT WHILE KEEPING YOUR BODY HEALTHY. This is not a BLACK and WHITE topic concerning carbohydrates, there are shades of gray, and on the whole NO not all carbohydrates are bad, but they will cause an INSULIN SPIKE to occur and this your body has to deal with. So maybe it is my verbosity that causes people to peer - WAY TOO DEEPLY into 1 item (CARBOHYDRATES ONLY) and not focus on the topic that is of concern, the HEALTH OF YOUR BODY.
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Posted: 30 March 2006 04:47 am |
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I agree with NEVD on the topics that were commented on. YES a healthy lifestyle will enable a healthy life. My points are to enable someone to MAXIMIZE their weight loss, and for me to sound like I am saying that ALL CARBOHYDRATES ARE BAD AND WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO LOSE WEIGHT... is not exactly the full scheme of actions in the body, and is not what my message was limited to saying. SO to lay it out in EASY and concise words I mention the aspects that WILL ALLOW you to lose weight the fastest and healthiest.
And if many of you believe that simple sugars are not detrimental to your body, then I suggest that you do some more research on your own, and learn what causes DIS-ease processes, I know you will be amazed with what you find the more you look.
I have helped many individuals live healthy lives, and I know how diets affect the body, (Yes including the misguided ATKINS DIET, which I do not get my so called lies from.) So all in all, look at the picture and do not focus on just one aspect of what is being said. Your body is made up of alot of systems and believe me there is alot more going on than x+y=z, than what some others would have you believe to be true. Your body is NOT simple so do not believe that it just black and white.
Alot of heated criticism and harsh words have been raised concerning issues that I do not believe require such tenacity, but when I have more time I will respond to all the concerns raised in these postings.
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pipermac
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Posted: 30 March 2006 06:42 am |
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Dr.LT wrote: Learn that not all food is good for you (ESPECIALLY Simple sugars like CARBOHYDRATES, Starches and ALCOHOLS as these WILL NOT allow you to lose weight !!!)
Interesting...You say here that Carbs Will not allow you to lose weight. now you say you are talking about maximizing weight loss...well which is it?
so just to get this straight...do you believe that you can eat less calories then you burn and actually gain weight? or that you can eat more the you burn and lose?
Have you Ever heard of the laws of energy? Even our bodies have to follow these laws.
and whats with this "DIS-EASE" Mumbo jumbo?
And Back to Diabetes.....Again you are wrong about what you eat being the cause of diabetes...where do you get your facts from...It is a huge myth that what you eat causes diabetes.
As Shown at this site and everyother Diabetes association you can see what the causes of Diabetes can be and more importantly what they are not.
See: diabetes.org.uk/diatetes/get.htm
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pipermac,
I have to admit for one thing ...you are tenacious in your pursuit that you are right.
Maximizing weight loss is my main focus, but believe that carbohydrates will cause insulin producing effects that will lead to weight gain, you said this yourself in touting the glycogen and fat storing comments. So if you eat carbohydrates as a fuel source you are doing two things 1) adding fuel to your body (which is what you believe and profess profusely) and 2) you cause insulin and adrenal stress to occur in the body due to processing the sugar in the body ( the more you eat the more stress, and the more you eat the more you store (sound familiar)). So if you stress out your body you can stress out organ systems and hormone balances. So in terms of endocrinology, you start to screw-up the way your internal body works. This is what can lead to the 4 body types that I mentioned about before.
So you are looking at this weight loss topic in a one dimensional way, and I am sorry that you believe that this is true, but weight loss is a multifaceted process. When you look at the topic of calories in = calories out where do the calories go ? (Do you know?) And where the calories come from and how they are spent (Do you know?) What I am saying is that the law of thermodynamics stands true and I am not disputing it, but you think that I am saying that calories appear by magic and disappears in the same way......No I am not. I suggest that you look at the law of homeostasis and realize what is happening in the body with regards to how the body processes CALORIES in the SOURCES that they arrive from (IE: calories from proteins, fats and carbohydrates.) How does the body utilize each and what does it do with each. AND I CAN GAURANTEE THAT THEY ARE NOT PROCESSED THE SAME WAY.
So in your question "so just to get this straight...do you believe that you can eat less calories then you burn and actually gain weight? or that you can eat more the you burn and lose?"
In the terms of the Law of Thermodynamics...NO
But in the terms of the body redistributing energy inside itself and transforming it from fat into glucose then circulating it through the body to an area that is suffering from organ and endocrine dysfunction and depositing it in the tissues controlled by them. ....YES (in the confines of gaining weight in an undesirable area while relinquishing it from another.)
You can gain weight in an area that you do not want it in. Specific carbohydrates will perpetuate this response in the body. But will it physically ADD MORE WEIGHT OUT OF THIN AIR, NO... AGAIN there is more going on than basic weight loss and weight gain.
So, as requested, in many people's posts they want quick and to the point recipe's for health and to lose weight, so that is what I gave them in the parameters of what I know works best and most healthiest. Is this to say that it is 100% ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE INCLUDED THROUGH ALL THESE POSTS…..NO, Does it give them the necessary information to help them lose weight and keep their bodies healthy? MOST DEFINITELY. Again brevity is the key here and NOT THE PURPOSE OF GIVING A SEMINAR BY POSTINGS.
I am sorry that you think that the information I have presented in brevity is wrong and full of lies, and maybe I was wrong in trying to be brief, but in the expansion of the information that I can present I can back up all that I am saying. AGAIN THIS IS NOT THE FORUM TO PRESENT A SEMINAR, which I can easily spend 2 hours explaining how the body performs these functions.
Again the view of health does not appear to not be of your main focus, since you are a staunch supporter of carbohydrates. Your focus appears to be the symptom of weight loss only, and I cannot subscribe to that ideology because I know what other processes are occurring in the human body during these processes.
On the topic of diabetes, again I am sorry that I have hit a personal cord with you on this topic, again it is not my intention to stress you out. But the information that I have accumulated on this topic is the most updated information that is going on in the health care community. I would hope that the readers in this forum perform more research on their own (not off of personal internet sites, where the information may be questionable or outdated,) but in advanced researched societies and from knowledgeable health care professionals.
All in all, I think that it is unfair that you over read into or misconstrue what I have presented, and attack me personally. This is an open forum and not a seminar, the information I present here is to be concise (as concise as I can make it without getting too technical, especially when all the information I have is very technical.) So in the confines of an open forum I feel that information should be reviewed and debated, so the information I present here whoever here agrees with me and wants to listen to what I have to say, is great, but if you disagree, I would say “Ok fine agree to disagree, but I would ask that you respectfully disagree.”
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the information I present here is to be concise
Really? Those are some pretty long posts for 'concise'.
What I'd love to know (as concisely as you can) is - are you advocating abstinence from eating carbs? And where would that leave a vegetarian?
Unfortunately, if that's not what you mean, then you're not putting over your point terribly well, since that's how it looks.
I'm all for a mix of opinions on these forums, by the way, but it would be nice to know whether I agree with you or not.
As things stand, I simply don't know.
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DR.LT
I dont believe I am Atttacking you Personally. But I am "Attacking" your Ideas.
Part of the Problem I have though is for a Large Part it is very difficult to know what exactly it is that you are trying to Say. As I dont believe you are being concise. by My 'Attacking" of your Ideas I am am trying to get a better explanation of where exactly it is that you are coming from.
I am trying to give you the opportunity to respond to my "Opinions" and possibley Change My Mind...or at least open it up .
If you want me to believe you when you say why people get diabetes then please explain it to me when My own Personal Endcrinologist and the Canandian Diabetes association and the american diabetes association etc etc all Specifically state that diabetes is not caused by what you eat! If you are going to give Advice that contradicts this then you need to Explain yourself better.
As Nevd Asked....Do you recommend not eating any Carbs?
If you are going to suggest that Carbs will Prevent you from Losing weight then you should try to explain why you believe this?
Just Like Fats and proteins, with carbs there are GOOD ones and BAD Ones. But I dont think it is fair for you to just Lump all Carbs together and say they will prevent you from Losing weight.
If you dont believe i am right about my thoughts then By All Means please explain to me why am wrong. I am more then open finding out if I am wrong about something.
Read Some of my other Posts and please if I am wrong explain why I am wrong.
I think one of the problems is that In your original post you Spoke about a lot of different things but were not too specific, which inturn left much of it up for interpretation..in which it is possible that I and/or other have misinterpretated it.
Eg. You Mention that there are 4 body types but go no further...what are you trying to say when you say there are 4 body type?
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Posted: 31 March 2006 12:07 am |
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nevd,
Yes I know about the concise aspects, I had to chuckle, because I ran into the same problems with running seminars....I have 12 hours of presentable information on these topics and to trim it down to 1.5 hours was horrendous and even then is was very heavy and technical....So to be as concise in an internet post...I knew I would open a can of worms....
So in a perfect world to maintain health, I would say that minor to moderate amounts of carbohydrates would be acceptable for general diet (20-35% maybe), but not in weight loss, as they will decrease your ability of maximizing weight loss and can enable you to disrupt your hormone balances in the body (NOT a good idea).
GOOD CARBS (ie: Unrefined, natural foods with fiber, also same as sprouted grains, which are good carbs)
Bad Carbs (ie: white flours, white breads, some brown breads, white pastas, refined foods, sugars, grains, potatoes, candies, sweetened teas and flavored yogurts are bad carbs for you)
NOTE: Many people DO NOT view veggies as carbs (but they are, good ones at that) so I tend to not change their views, I tend to focus on the carbohydrates that most people say are carbs (IE the Bad Ones).
I WILL NEVER SAY TO STOP GREEN VEGGIES INTAKE IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM...Eat Lots.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 12:48 am |
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Wow I knew all of this brevity might backfire on me. And the idea of omitting any aspects leaves individuals to ridicule, and that is the most frustrating thing about delivering technical information in a forum (it is hard to get the total idea across in a few words...JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN) as opposed to presenting a seminar (trust me I am WAY better LIVE!!) haha
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| So to lay ground work let me give all of you the basic information that I recommend for a healthy body and mind. Sorry everyone I am having trouble posting this sheet of info here so let me try and get it to you all. Last edited on 31 March 2006 01:12 am by Dr.LT
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Dr.LT
I'm sorry, I was interested when you started talking about the 4 body types and you may have answered my question, but I kind of got lost in the great Carb debate. I'm staying out of it.
What I am interested in is, your thyroid body type. I was diagnosed 12 years ago with Graves disease and had my thyroid distroyed with radioactive iodiene. I now take eltroxin every day. I have always had a weight problem but after having my thyroid distroyed it's been an uphill battle. To complicate matters, I also had too much estrogen and finally had to have a hysterectomy a year ago. Since then I have put on another 20 pounds. I am finally back on track, counting calories, trying to make healthy choices and exercie. Oh did I mention, gastric bypass 8 years ago.
Any suggestions. Annie02
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Posted: 31 March 2006 02:22 am |
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Ok! Now hopefully you can answer something.
I would like to Know What it is about "Carbs" that you believe is so bad for weight loss?
I recognize problems with Highly Processed carbs...one being that they are generally less filling and can lead to overeating. But in this case it is the extra food that will prevent weight loss not the carbs themselves.
I also Recognize that the thermic effect of these types of carbs is usually very low...which results in less calories burned then alternatives like Protein and Whole Grains and Vegatables. But Fat has Basically no thermic effect and you dont seem to have anything against fat.
One Thing I will Acknowledge is that By Cutting out the "BAD" Carbs and eating a "Healthy" Diet you will inturn be a healthier person and you will be able to burn more calories each day.
But I dont see it an issue of how many carbs you eat as much as What carbs you eat.
I have heard the Arguements about Insulin....Which I believe is one of the hormones that lead to Weight gain or prevents you from Losing weight. Although I dont Buy it. I am interest to have it explained by somebody that may actually know more about it.
The Arguement says that when you Eat too Many Carbs you will get insulin spikes And this will lead to Fat Storage...Since Insulin is what stores glucose as Fat. This Seems To Make Sense...But...
My Understanding is that the Amount of insulin has really nothing to do with the storing of fat. The First place Carbs will be stored is Glycogen and ONLY if glycogen is full will any be stored as fat. In which case it will not matter how much insulin is there..All the excess will be stored as fat.
And Even if it was true and it was stored as fat before being stored as glycogen what would it matter? If you are Burning X amount of calories in a day (Week) (Month) those calories are going to come from either Glycogen Or Fat. I realize muscle can be used as an energy source but this should not happen to soebody that is eating enough. Am I wrong about this? So if the Calories were stored as fat and not Glycogen then All it would mean is that is that later on you will end up burning more fat. Also if you manage to Burn More from Fat then from Glycogen why would that matter? As this means that Glycogen would get full and you would start storing more fat. and if you lowered your carbs enough so that Glycogen did not fill up and none of it was stored as fat then that would mean you are eating more fat and protein and since the body only needs relatively small amounts of fat and protein..then all of that excess fat and protein would be stored as fat.
Please Explain if you believe anything I have said is incorrect.
so Theoretically If you could be 100% sure that you were Burning exactly 3000 calories in a day( This Includes all things that use Calories, Thermic Effect, etc.) and you Consumed 2000 Calories then all 1000 of those other calories will have come from fat? If not where? Assuming Muscle is not being used as an energy source.
Which come to one possiblity that I can see that could support you arguement....If eating too Many Carbs will actually result in a lower metabolism...thus you are burning Less calories. If this is the case...then How Much of an effect do you believe this can have?
Eg. If one eats 60% Carb 20%protein and 20% fat. and they without exercise burn 2000 Calories aday how many calories could the potentially burn only eating 30% carb? and how would this differ if all the Carbs were "Good" carbs or if they were all "Bad" carbs. And what Other then Thermic effect would account for any difference?
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Sorry this has taken so long, but I could not paste this information without it getting all distorted on the screen, so I had to find a web hosting compnay that would allow you to view the document which I had to convert to a jpeg picture. It is located at;
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Sorry for the size, but I do not have a hosting company to better display the picture. (I recommend right clicking on the pic and saving it to your desktop. Then use your computer to increase the resolution (as in preview). Unless someone else has a place that this can be hosted from that they would like to post....
Annyway this is what I give to all my patients, as a general health and wellness NOT as weightloss. That requires more tweaking.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 03:07 am |
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Annie02,
Well first thing, I am sorry to hear about all your health problems. Now I cannot diagnose at distance, but I can only direct you to seek some health care professionals. I would look up Body Restoration Technique on the internet and do a search for practitioners or look up Neurolink and again look up physicians.
These health care sites can give you some insight into other ways of dealing with degenerative processes in the body. I have found them very useful. Best of luck.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 03:45 am |
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pipermac,
I am going to break up your questions because our posts are getting way to big.
My preoccupation in healthcare is STRESS (and not just emotional stress, but things like nutrient deficiency, water depravation, sleep depravation, physical stress & trauma etc.) And on the subject of carbs it is mostly the simple sugars and processed foods that I have problems with, as these do not integrate into the body so easily.
Simple sugars are basically TOO RICH of a fuel system for the body and it will eventually cause your body to burn out or stress out. I have seen this in thousands of patients. Your intake of these is like running your vehicle on jet fuel, sure it will do the job and get you from place to place, but sooner or later it will stress out the body so much that you will start to get muscles decreasing their strength and therefore can increase the probability of joint dysfunction. Basically you start to burn out like your car would.
This will increase a general stress in the body and cause secondary movement musculature to work harder and potentially become strained. Your body has a great reserve and has compensatory measures, but when it cannot compensate anymore NOW you get pain and problems starting to show up. This is one of the main causes for low back pain in individuals that I have found. That is just talking about the stress caused by the simple sugars and processed foods.
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Do you have any source that you can refer to that Backs this Claim up? I would be interested to Read More on that. Personally I do not believe that to be at all True But I am Open to reading about. Even though I think most of it is a bunch of BS I did read Kevin Trudeau's Natural Cures Book. I found it very good reading and took some good points from it....but for the most part I dint believe most of what he had to say. Even though I may not believe something I am always interested in reading about conflicting opinions.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 10:34 am |
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I have been reading all this for days now and find it quite fascinating. But I read today's contributions while enjoying bedtime milk and cookies, so no matter who has the correct theories reading them didn't do anything to help me tonight!
Peter
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Thought a little levity was in order.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 11:00 am |
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moderate amounts of carbohydrates would be acceptable for general diet (20-35% maybe), but not in weight loss, as they will decrease your ability of maximizing weight loss
None of which would explain why I (and the many people I've helped) have lost all the weight they desired while eating 55-60% carbs...
Thought a little levity was in order.
And much less fattening than milk and cookies, Peter...
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Posted: 31 March 2006 03:50 pm |
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I have been looking a bit at this Dr. Bergs Site and as I suspected These ideas come from Alternative Medicine.
Now i am nowhere near Naive enough to discount the possibility that some Alternative Medicine does indeed work. But I do Believe a Large % of it is just plain Quackery. Being able to distinguish between what may indeed work and what is quackery is very hard to do.
My Biggest problem with these types of things Is that there is very rarely and Credible scientific evidence to support the claims. As i suspect to be the case here.
Dr.Lt Although We differ on the "Science" Looking at your 4 Steps to a Healthy body I agree with Pretty much all of the steps you Recommend.
The Main thing I have a problem with there is the whole "Artificial Sweetner" thing. I wont get into that though as if I do we could be keeping this thread alive forever.
But Your 4 steps are what I consider very good recommendations.
I take it you are a naturalist, In many ways I am too. I try to use natural Products whenever I can. but I dont go too far out of my way to do so, and only if the cost is not prohibitive.
I dont do it Because I beleive all the hype that everything else is so bad...but more that I believe that most of the natual alternatives are probably better.
I dont know how you think on this but I have found that many Naturalists will seem to arbitrarily State that Anything that is artificial (MAnmade) is bad and anything Natural is Good. I see this stance taken all the time....But just because something is Artificial does not automatically make it bad and just because soem thing is natural does not make it good. Stevia being the perfect example. this is a product that is Assumed good and safe almost strictly based on that it is natural. But there have not been a lot of studies on it yet to truly determine if it is safe or not. In fact some studies have linked it to Cancer..just as some studies have for aspartame. I am not trying to say Stevia is bad...But I dont believe anyone can Honestly say that at this point it isnt bad or that it is truly better then any artificial sweetner.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 07:31 pm |
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Pipermac,
In your statement “But I dont see it an issue of how many carbs you eat as much as What carbs you eat.” It comes down to two thing 1) Yes the type of carbohydrates will definitely determine what type of affect will occur in the body (bad carbs=hard on your body) but 2) gluttony definitely will aid in storing fat in the body. But I believe what you are talking about is the percentage of carbohydrates.
There are 3 FAT STORING HORMONES in the body, not just ONE.
Insulin as I explained before works to help balance blood sugar levels from a high level to a lower level, when you eat a lot of simple sugars or sugars that are not timed released (intergrated alongside fiber) as found in juices, etc., this will cause your sugar levels to spike high. So your body is a quick compensator and will secrete more insulin to help balance the levels. The more sugar in the blood the more the pancreas will try to balance the levels. Insulin can be in large amounts in the blood stream and cause a rapid decrease of the blood sugar levels (this will cause you to get tired and lethargic due to the body putting you into a parasympathetic mode, where your body wants to REST AND DIGEST (this is the opposite of the sympathetic mode of FIGHT OR FLIGHT.))
The more your body goes into digestion mode, in regards to this simple sugar assimilation, the more your pancreas works. So the more sugar you have in the bloodstream the more you secrete insulin. Now after long periods of having increased insulin levels (and storing of fatty tissue) you will decrease the amount of insulin receptors in the body, because the body being efficient, doesn’t need to have so much insulin helping the sugar into storage. So two things are going on, you secrete insulin due to sugar in the blood stream, AND you are reducing your receptors because you are getting enough sugar into the storage bins for fuelling the body. So you want to reduce your blood sugar levels, BUT you also want to decrease your storage of excess fuels. This is TYPE 2 Diabetes. These people tend to start spilling sugar into the urine, which is pickup up in a urine test.
The more the pancreas works the more you deplete the insulin reserves, the more you deplete the reserves the more stress you force the pancreas to go through. This will lead to your organ burning out. In which case you cannot have enough insulin to reduce your blood sugar levels, but you now have a problem getting the sugar into storage. So you start to feed off your own body and you start to use fat stores and possibly muscle tissue, this is a reason that ketones start to show up I the blood and urine (due to fat burning). This type of person needs help in storing sugars (misdiagnosed as being too much sugar in the blood ONLY due to a deficient organ, BUT not looked at as to WHY DID THE ORGAN BECOME DEFICIENT.) So an Insulin supplement is given to you by your M.D. This person is Called a Type 1 Diabetic.
So on the topic of carbohydrates it is a matter of what is it doing to the body and not just the weight loss aspect.
Just to let you know it is my understanding that the body works on ALL LEVELS at the SAME TIME, IT is DYNAMIC, so you do not store glycogen first the then fat second when the stores are full, but is constantly is burning and gaining glycogen stores (glycogenolysis and glycogenesis), and also burning and gaining fat stores (lypolysis and lypogenesis or gluconeogenesis). But on a percentage basis, glycogen is more readily accessible than the fat so the faster energy will come from here and the slower released energy from here (70% / 30%, 80%/20%), I am not sure, but both are occurring.)
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Posted: 31 March 2006 07:48 pm |
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Okay -
So far we've enjoyed the levity, but where's the brevity?
I'm guessing most visitors to these forums don't want a (learned?) dissertation, they just want tips on the best ways to lose body fat. If reading long-winded posts would help you lose weight, this thread would be gold dust!
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Posted: 31 March 2006 07:53 pm |
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pipermac,
Again I would ask that you do a litle research with regards to the information that I present. Alot of this information is listed in peer-reviewed journals or medical textbooks. One source that I recommend is Guyton and Hall Textbook of Medical Physiology, it is a HEAVY read but alot of the information I talk about in these postings are in this book.
Again I am NOT here to present a seminar or to take biased pot-shots onto the information that so easily can be acquired on your own.
The quackery that you talk about is definately something that is a possibility, but many other HIGHLY TRAINED individuals in healthcare are TRAINED BY THE SAME LITERATURE THAT ALL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL ARE TRAINED BY. They find different ways of working with the body (not necessarily on their own, but by other pioneers that have done the groundwork, but I have had the opportunity to meet a few TRUE PIONEERS and they are very brilliant.Last edited on 31 March 2006 07:59 pm by Dr.LT
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Posted: 31 March 2006 08:19 pm |
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To me the term Alternative Medicine suggests that people in Western cultures are so narrow minded (and arrogant!) as to think that only the practices taught in their universities could possibly be of value.
While our doctors were cutting people to drain their blood of impurities and weakening or even killing them in the process, natives in jungles were saving people's lives with tea made from tree bark.
In school in the late '50s we saw a film that depicted ignorant Chinese people sticking pins in each other. Now acupuncture is practiced in the U.S.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 08:30 pm |
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Pipermac,
I have to ask, where are you getting your information from. The aspects that you talk about in carbohydrate being the primary source of energy sounds all to reminiscent of the 1960's USDA Food Pyramid sham (sorry to say that but it is true about them). The USDA or US Department of Agriculture has had many disputes brought to their attention that the are more about the economy of US Agriculture products than they are about health...
If this was not true, why have they revised their percentages of fats and carbohydrate intakes. The reason is that they were wrong in their facts and in their pyramid. Whether is was intentional or not they were wrong, and many hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from stresses to their bodies because of their misinformation.
The truth about health care is the same as you would find in any venue. People do not like change, and they do not like to be proved wrong and / or be proven to be unreliable, Governments INCLUDED. (That is another can of worms that I do not want to open.....SO NO RESPONSES PLEASE!! ;) )
My whole existance is set about to find truth and dispel rumor. I am probably the biggest skeptic out there, but I always have an open mind. I will try to prove it wrong or challenge it, until it can proved that it is more of a truth than a myth.
Been down that road many hundreds of times. Which has lead me into advanced topics of health and physics. There are so many thing that we cannot PROVE 100%, due to our lack of technilogical basis, but we know that they happen. (IE: The speed of light is not the fastest thing that we know........, Atoms do not stay in one place, they appear to be in two or more places at the same time (distances are withing laboratory parameters)....Is this falsification or untruth, no it just means that we do not have enough technology to track what is occurring between these two points of perception.....It does not mean that it is not true.
Basically, on the road to learning we encounter many valuable pieces of information, these can absolutely be verifiable and said to be TRUE, but that is a Snapshot of what is occuring at that technilogical base in time. It can always be a great argument point if the new information is not 100%, perfect example is Einstein's Theory of Relativity. We will always find new things going on, ESPECIALLY in the body. And all I can say is that the information I have has been through years of research, and not just my own.
I can try to give information that is asked, but I find I am just going deeper and deeper into the heavily technical information that I DID NOT WANT TO HAVE TO ADDRESS.
I WANTED TO GIVE (What I thought) was quick information as to what is going on in terms of all the information that I, and others, have accumulated over the years. But as I found out the more I do not explain, the more I have to explain. I have found this thread very informative to the fact that I know that I CANNOT open my own forum in the future.
I find that I do not have the time to do all the things that my patients require of me, my family requires of me and to continue my researching. All I can do is present the latest information that is being discovered and let you all debate it. If you want to find more info...please start researching yourselves...and do not take what I have to say as THE TRUTH, but use it as a base to try and Prove me wrong....or to prove it to yourselves what is actually happening.
I will post all the information that I had mentioned before, but I think that I cannot find the time to keep up with regular posting. As I said before, I realize that this is not the venue.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 08:33 pm |
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Dr.LT wrote:
Another big problem is the thought that you have to lose weight to be healthy. This is the farthest thing from the truth, because you have to BE HEALTHY TO LOSE WEIGHT. (RE-READ what I just said) The reason so many people have weightloss issues is because their bodies are in a state of Dis-Ease. When you are working well you do not have weight issues, but if your body is in a state of Dis-Ease is is NOT working well.
Untrue, take for example the starving kids in Africa, how come theyre so skinny and they have scarce nutrients in their bodies?:?
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Posted: 31 March 2006 08:34 pm |
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NEVD,
AMEN!!!!
Like I said, I thought that it would be easy to give a little information, but I soon realized that you cannot please everyone with brevity.Last edited on 31 March 2006 08:35 pm by Dr.LT
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fsahurie
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Posted: 31 March 2006 08:36 pm |
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Dr.LT wrote:
Also, did you know that you can only Physically lose 1 to 2 pounds of fat a week PERIOD? For those of you that say you lost more....sorry...!!! But you lost Mostly WATER.
No offense to Peter for saying this but, are you out of your mind?I can easily lose four or five pounds of fat per week if I starve myself, get the picture?
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Posted: 31 March 2006 08:38 pm |
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fsahurie,
Sorry to say you are losing water not fat.....Read the previous posts.....You can ONLY lose 1 to 2 pounds of fat per week, otherwise that it is water loss not FAT loss.
As I said before, do your own research and tell me the source that proves me wrong, I am pretty extensive in my research, but I do not see everything that is out there.
HA funny....Let me ask you... Were the skinny kids in Africa EVER FAT?
The sad thing is that the death rates are alot higher there for children, due to the lack of nutrients.
Thanks for the comment.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 31 March 2006 08:43 pm |
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Dr.LT wrote: twcmusicguy,
Sorry to say you are losing water not fat.....Read the previous posts.....You can ONLY lose 1 to 2 pounds of fat per week, otherwise that it is water loss not FAT loss.
False, if your calorie intake is very low, lets say 200 or 300 calories per day, you CAN lose fat faster!
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Posted: 31 March 2006 09:12 pm |
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OK, so I suggest that I give the basics of the information that I mentioned. If you want the bigger versions I will plug bergdiets.com
He has Exceptional solid understanding of how the body works, physiologically speaking, and his information come from the literature that all health care professional learn from and subscribe to, PLEASE NOTE: That I do not get anything for promoting this….I just find he has made a great package of information that summates for everyone, doctors and patients.
1) Thyroid body shape – The thyroid controls the mitochondria in the body, which are the energy burning factories in all the cells of the body. If your thyroid gets dysfunctional then your mitochondria gets dysfunctional. In which case you cannot but fat a well, and you get a whole body fat storing mechanism, due to all the cells of the body having decreased mitochondria function.
2) The Adrenal body shape – They control cortisol release in the body (cortisol is a stress hormone. In smaller quantities it help fat loss, but in large quantities it causes fat gain around the waist (near the dusfunctional organ system.)
3) The Liver body shape – The liver gets damaged and causes it to leak fluids into the abdominal cavity. This distension is the type that you see that is a FIRM belly or Pot-Bellied.
4) The Ovary body shape – is around the hips in women. This is due to estrogen dysfunction. Estrogen causes fat and fat causes estrogen.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 09:30 pm |
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To nevd and others who have been waiting so patiently for this information. I apologize for all that you have had to go through to get this information presented to you.
The 6 Fat Burning Hormones:
1) Growth Hormone – works through the liver, if Liver dysfunctional no weightloss from this mechanism, due to hormone deregulation.
2) IGF (Insulin-like Growth Factor) – works through the liver, if Liver dysfunction no weightloss from this mechanism, but causes body to rely on insulin stores only (precursor to Diabetes)
3) Glucagon – from the pancreas, works to increase blood sugar by burning fat, it’s levels become decreased with sugar in the blood stream. (Therefore no weightloss)
4) Adrenaline – main hormone that dissolves the fat cell. Levels decreased by sugar due to parasympathetic responses (Rest and Digest not Fight or Flight)
5) Testosterone – works toward lean body mass, becomes dysfunctional due to liver damages. Then this damage affects IGF and GH production, again affects weightloss abilities.
6) Thyroid Hormones – control the size and number of mitochondria (energy factories) Too much sugar can inhibit the Thyroid gland, which control the mitochondria. This gland controls the thermogenesis regulation that pipermac was talking about.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 09:46 pm |
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The 3 Fat Storing Hormones:
1) Insulin – produced in the pancreas beta cells (Islets of Langerhans) and secreted into the blood when sugar introduced into the blood stream. Works to put sugar (glucose) into storage packages called glycogen (found in muscles and the liver organ) and body fat.
2) Cortisol – produced in the cortex of the adrenal glands, and triggered by stress. Increase your stress levels of the body (ie: gluttony, sleep depravation, nutrient deficiency, water dehydration, chemical or toxin exposures, trauma, emotional stress) and you secrete cortisol which will aid in fatty deposits around the midsection.
3) Estrogen – created in the ovaries and fat cells, perpetuates fat production.
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Posted: 31 March 2006 09:52 pm |
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nevd,
To be specific on your asking of losing weight while having a diet high in carbohydrates, I would need to find out what it was that you were eating specifically. Again I can only believe that I may have given you the wrong impression when I was trying to surmise all my information into a package for maximizing weight loss.
In this questioning, and what you have stated (you being a vegetarian) I bet that I can assume that you have a better grasp onto what carbohydrates are and where they come from, and in that invalidating my summation on carbs in the diet. Again this information was meant for the layperson to have a fast and efficient method of losing weight while maintaining good health, and not taking all the other information that has been presented in this tedious post.
If you want I could better answer your question, if I knew your diet parameters.
Thanks.
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