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Dr.LT
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Posted: 31 March 2006 10:00 pm |
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Basically,
A HECK OF ALOT MORE GOING ON THAN JUST CALORIES IN AND CALORIES OUT. So in this, I am retiring the debate of carbohydrates, from my end. There is too much information that I would have to go through to prove my point, and I just do not have the time for that, again do the research AND NOT JUST USE HERESAY TO BE YOUR PROOF. (Note: This comment is NOT directed at anyone in particular.)
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fsahurie
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Posted: 31 March 2006 10:48 pm |
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Dr.LT wrote:
HA funny....Let me ask you... Were the skinny kids in Africa EVER FAT?
The sad thing is that the death rates are alot higher there for children, due to the lack of nutrients.
Thanks for the comment.
No, but how do you know that all the obese persons in America were ever really skinny skinny?I do not need your sarcasm, especially from one saying that eating fat aids in weight loss! Though, true that there are some good fats, such as Omega 3 and 6, one gram of fat is 9 calories, and carbohydrates are only 4 calories per gram.Not to mention that Carbs fill you up faster and makes you feel more satisfied(which is what I think every American likes to feel, that satisfying feeling in your stomach).
And I am sorry to burst your bubble, Dr.(or so you call yourself)LT, but you CANNOT, I repeat, you CANNOT lose weight if you do not feel hunger in your stomach.I have proof of that because when I dieted and felt satisfied, I didnt lose a gram, whereas when I go for a long time without eating and my hunger level is on the scale of 1, I started to see my weight drop immediately!
Also, check below to see all those links to see how to really lose fat:
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I hope I made myself clear when I said that if there is a large calorie deficit in your body, you COULD lose fat faster, for example, John weighs 169 pounds and for him to maintain that weight he has to consume 2100 calories, but if he only eats 100 calories a day, there will be a 2000 calorie deficit, which AUTOMATICALLY MEANS, he will lose 4 pounds of fat a week, very much more than the two pounds of fat you said is the quicket someone can lose! Have a nice day.:D
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Dr.LT
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Posted: 1 April 2006 01:39 am |
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twcmusicguy,
First off, sarcasm was not meant by what I had said. But I did find it a little one dimentional considering all the information that has been mentioned throughout all this thread.
But with regards to your last post, I do not see the relevance of your post. The sites that you gave everyone to view seem to validate the 1 to 2 pounds of fat maximum that you can lose per week. I thought that is what I said since the beginning. I think you are forgetting that energy comes from other places than just fat.
I am sorry, but I do not find your personal testimonial as being proof of what occurs in the body, maybe it is what you found that occurs with you and I respect that, but you cannot assume that this is true for the entire society. Whereas the information that I am presenting is from scientific data and I try to NOT put my personal feelings on what works or not. That is why I research the information that I talk about.
Last edited on 1 April 2006 01:45 am by Dr.LT
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fsahurie
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Posted: 1 April 2006 03:10 am |
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Dr.LT wrote:
Whereas the information that I am presenting is from scientific data and I try to NOT put my personal feelings on what works or not. That is why I research the information that I talk about.
Yeah, but the difference is my personal feelings comes from proof that DOES work!
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pipermac
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Posted: 1 April 2006 05:02 am |
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Dr.LT
thanks for your explaining..I am not sure I believe all of it...But I will bring some of it up with my endocrinologist when I see him in a couple weeks.
Your Explanation of Carbs and Diabetes is of what I have the most problems with. But I do realize that it could be true!
I am not in the Medical Community so I cant say for certain...But I imagine that these concepts at this time are highly contraversial and not widely accepted...but this doesn tme they wont be.....Every one thought the world was flat at one point! :)
MusicGuy.......
You do not have to fell hungry to lose weight. I have lost 55lbs without ever feeling hungry. If you feel too hungry when trying to lose weight then it means you need to change some of the foods you eat...you need to eat more Foods that are low calories but fill you up.
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Jade
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Posted: 4 April 2006 02:08 am |
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I don’t want to butt in here but I’ve just started following this post and I figured I’d put in my two cents worth.
My first question would be to DrLT, have you ever been over weight? I have a tendency to believe the people who’ve been obese and lost the weight then people who’ve “researched” and know how people are suppose to lose weight.
“maybe it is what you found that occurs with you and I respect that, but you cannot assume that this is true for the entire society.”
Then how is it that what you found “occurring” in a scientific control group would be true for the “entire society.” If something works then it works. Not everything works for every body but I don’t think it’s fair to say that a “program” somebody used isn’t valid simply because it doesn’t fit in with the “research” you doctors do in the lab.
As far as the “4 body types” go I’ve been over weight since I was a kid and have had my thyroid, liver, adrenals, ovaries, stomach, intestines, and a few other organs checked out, not to mention every type of blood test imaginable, been scanned for cancer, and in general had my body checked out head to toe, inside and out and everything’s in working order, but I’m still gaining and can’t lose. How do you figure?
(twcmusicguy)
“No offense to Peter for saying this but, are you out of your mind? I can easily lose four or five pounds of fat per week if I starve myself, get the picture?”
“… if your calorie intake is very low, lets say 200 or 300 calories per day, you CAN lose fat faster!”
Not always. I HAVE gone a week, sometimes week(s) with out eating, drinking water yes but no solid foods, and never dropped a pound, water weight or otherwise. And until about a week ago I WAS eating 300-500 calories a day while burning close to 3000, this went on for moths and I lost 3 lbs. By your statement I should have lost close to 40lbs (3 lbs a week for 3 months)
Now, what you said may have worked for you, and the logic is reasonable, if you eat 300 calories and burn 3000 calories than you should lose at minimum of a one and a half pounds every two days. All I’m saying is that I’ve done that and from what I’ve seen it doesn’t work. (the reason has been explained to me in my post)
I’m just trying to say that I don’t believe any one “lifestyle” be that eating no carb, low carb, no meat, no sugar, many meals, few meals, whatever, does not and can not apply to every person in the world.
Jade.
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Corina
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Posted: 5 April 2006 07:58 pm |
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Jade wrote:
I’m just trying to say that I don’t believe any one “lifestyle” be that eating no carb, low carb, no meat, no sugar, many meals, few meals, whatever, does not and can not apply to every person in the world.
Amen!
 Corina
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Dr.LT
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Posted: 9 April 2006 09:07 pm |
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Jade,
The nice thing about my research is that I like to find proof, not just research materials. I have been overweight due to stressing my body, I specifically ate to disrupt my body to see what would happen. The responses I got from my body were interesting. I ate anything containing sugar or trans-fatty acids, breads, pastas, etc. And I noticed that your body has a huge compensation surve. You have to do this type of diet for an extended period for the body to start to lose it's compensation ability.
I would plateau my weight gain and couldn't gain weight, I kept up with it and I started to push over my plateau (which took awhile due to my body begin able to handle the increased load.) I pushed my weight to about 245 lbs and was physically weakened due to adrenal stress, I started to get more aches and pains, started to lose my abiility to focus easily (these are all signs that your body is trying to compensate and perform damage control instead of just rest (homeostasis). I had increased back conditions and neck troubles.
Then when at that weight I decided that I would lose the weight after about 1 month and resume my normal body weight. THE BIGGEST THING THAT I NOTICED is that I could NOT lose the weight easily. (My approach was to resume my normal pre-weightgain diet and see what would happen.) I could not lose the weight on that alone. I tried a few different approaches and again my weight would not come off. After a few months of not too much change, I started to eat better (My original diet and dietary tweaks were not making the grade.) and it was at this point that my body started to make changes.
Now, much time later, I am down in my weight and not feeling the same effects of weight gain. So when you ask Have I EVER BEEN OBESE? I can only say is I do not classify myself at my highest weight as obese. Was I overweight? Yes, I was overweight due to the extra padding I had around my waist/thighs (mostly) but I also had a general body bloat. So again I would not say that I was extremely overweight, just moderately.
So What is it that I am saying?
I have taken information that I know about the body and I look at it from the view of health. In this forum we are talking about weight loss, my view is not focusing on this alone, my focus is health. So I want to know how the body functions, compensates and then disruptes. It is the physiological processes that I want to understand better, so that I can help treat peoples problems and Dis-Ease processes. I feel that much of the information that I research, can be very biased and one sided so I do not take that information as gospel, but I look at it from a standpoint to attempt to prove or disprove this idea. And I go from there.
I feel that in my acquisition of knowledge, that I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING, and there is so much going on in the body...So Whether someone had problems losing OR gaining weight is not the entire issue. We have to look at diet, exercise, physical health, mental health and enviromental factors. So again I do not have all the answers, and any person that believes they do is EXTREMELY MISGUIDED. So again take the information that I have found to be on the right track, and try to prove me wrong or right (BUT DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF FROM RELIABLE SOURCES.)
Only then will we cut the #%@&! out of these Myths that perpetuate our general health as a society.
Last edited on 9 April 2006 09:10 pm by Dr.LT
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Jade
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Posted: 11 April 2006 06:00 am |
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After coming back and re-reading what I wrote I really didn't like the way I came off so I'm re-writing it. I promise not to let this happen again.
Dr.LT. I appreciate that you gained weight in order to determine the best way to lose weight. But, after reading your post it appears that you were only "moderately overweight" for a few months at best. Many of us here have been over weight, even obese, for years, myself for well over a decade. Is it not true that the longer you're overweight the harder it is to lose it?
You've also mentioned the "four body types" and now "diet, exercise, physical health, mental health and environmental factors" as defining factors in weight loss or gain. Seeing as I don't qualify for any of the body types, my organs are all healthy, and my diet is healthy, though lacking in quantity, I exercise regularly, my body is in as close to perfect working condition as it can be, my mental state and capacity are great, and my environment leaves nothing to be desired, I do not see how these two categories can be called upon as the only reasons a person would gain weight or not be able to lose weight.
Can you now give us any other reason a person might retain their weight, if all given factors are disregarded.
And again, I've very sorry for the way I came off in my previous post.
Jade.
Last edited on 12 April 2006 06:58 am by Jade
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Dr.LT
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Posted: 11 April 2006 07:37 pm |
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Jade,
First thing you have to know is that I am not able to diagnose at distance. Therefore I cannot give you an accurate reason for your inability to lose weight. What I have found is that the body has telltale signs of dysfunction. This can only accurately be visualized through examination.
Now when you say that you have 50lbs of extra weight, then my questions are where is the weight situated?, how does the body respond to stresses?, how is the diet? (beyond what you have explained), how long do you exercise and what type of exercising? And many other questions....
Again there are many factors that one would have to look at to get a proper diagnosis and then formulate a treatment to help support the deficient areas.
What I would suggest, is that you look at talking to an individual that knows about the physiology, endocrinology and physical fitness of the human body to better get an understanding on how your body is being affected.
I would say check out bodyrt.com but this is not a guarantee that you will find individuals that know how to treat these issues. But, this is one way that I know where the individuals are more natural in their pursuit onto the functioning of the body and how to get it functioning normally without medications or fads.
Unfortunately, as I have been so powerfully awakened to, is the fact that it is very hard to help people on a forum. There is so much information to receive and explain to people that I would literally have to do this full-time to get the information to everyone...Especially if the information is not understood (either due to lack of explanation on my part, lack of understanding by others, or just sheer pessimistic attitudes toward change....)
I really wish I could be of more help to you in your quest, but I do not know what more assistance I can be of, in a forum that does not conform to verbal exchange and therefore has more of an impersonal approach. This is why I say that everyone is slightly different, and what is occuring with you might be different from your friend or neighbor. In which case, what they would need for a remedy might be very different from what you might need. Good luck in your research.
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Mountain Mike
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Posted: 12 April 2006 09:56 pm |
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Dr. LT and all,
This has been a very interesting and informative thread. I think one of Dr. LT's best admonitions is for any of us to do our own research it we have questons or difficulties with some aspect of this subject.
I suspect the truth could be somewhere between the two farthest ends of the spectrum. I think the there are things that we can all agree on that do not promote health or maximum weight loss: SIMPLE and processed sugars (sucrose, high sucrose corn syrup, etc.) and processed foods in general. I have a cookbook for runners that has a simple rule, "Don't eat anything that has been through a factory." Now, isn't that something we can all get behind?
Thanks to everyone for your contributions.
Mike
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