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ami sol
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Posted: 27 June 2008 09:42 am |
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The tough facts about diets in general, show that more than 90 present of diets, simply end up as a dramatically failure attempt to loose the desired, unnecessary wait. though most people manage to get rid of some extra wait in the early stages of the diet, it wont be long before they will fined themselves back in the same vices circle, and some times even worth. 
So what is it that makes most diet programs fail and how to avoid it ?
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girl anachronism
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Posted: 27 June 2008 11:07 am |
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It's because people think of diets AS diets, instead of as permanent lifestyle changes. Even if you eat healthy for 6 months and lose 50 pounds, if you go back to scarfing down 3000 calories a day, you're going to gain the weight back.
Anyone who looks as a diet as a short-term solution is going to fail eventually.
The key is to find healthy eating practices and incorporate them as PERMANENT changes.
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Sparky
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Posted: 27 June 2008 12:16 pm |
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| I think most diets fail because they don't try to find out why we over eat. I feel the mental part of the diet is as important as the food. It must be a life style change for most of us. If dieting were as easy as some commercials show we would all be thin.
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EJ33
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Posted: 27 June 2008 01:44 pm |
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If you want to know why diets fail just read the tutorial on this website.
If you want to be successful at losing weight then follow the advice in the tutorial.
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jessalynne
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Posted: 27 June 2008 05:03 pm |
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| I think they fail because many diets force extreme changes on your lifestyle - such as eating no carbs, or barely eating any food at all. It's too much stress! No wonder people rebel against such stringent restrictions. girl anachronism, you're right, we have to treat diet as a lifestyle choice, rather than as a temporary fix.
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jgunn
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Posted: 29 June 2008 01:09 am |
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alot of diets fail because we put unrealisitic expectations on ourselves
ive lost 60 lbs and have anohter 80 to go to be where im happy
i spent years trying to lose weight with the idea that i wanted to be in a bikini by summer ...starting in january ! GOOD LUCK ! no wonder i failed !
weve spent a lifetime forming bad habits and a few months or even a year or two is not gonna undo that
one step at a time making changes bit by bit moving forward when yer comfortable and/or unchallenged
some of my more favorite quotes:
You can explore the universe looking for somebody who is more deserving of your love and affection than you are yourself, and you will not find that person anywhere.
- Buddhist Sayings
Every Oak Tree started out as a couple of nuts who stood their ground
- Angela Winks
If you don't take care of your body ... Where will you live?
-Unknown
Ever since we began buying our food in supermarkets, the food chain that ostensibly links the American eater to the American land has grown steadily longer, more intricate and less legible; by now it is all but invisible to most of us.
-Henry Brockman, organic farmer
"What we believe is very important. I can be eating the healthiest diet in the world, but if I still worry that I’m eating poorly, it won’t do me as much good. Or I can be eating what I believe is the best diet, and even if it isn’t, it will do me good, and it will lead me to a better way of life. The thing is to do what we really believe in. The other thing is to not focus only on diet. The focus is on good health, or on being a balanced person. Then everything falls in place.
-Jinjee
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meanne2007
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Posted: 11 July 2008 03:13 pm |
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Thanks for sharing.....very informative
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cportwine
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Posted: 11 July 2008 10:37 pm |
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girl anachronism wrote: It's because people think of diets AS diets, instead of as permanent lifestyle changes. Even if you eat healthy for 6 months and lose 50 pounds, if you go back to scarfing down 3000 calories a day, you're going to gain the weight back.
Anyone who looks as a diet as a short-term solution is going to fail eventually.
The key is to find healthy eating practices and incorporate them as PERMANENT changes.
That was very well said. I couldn't even eat the way I use to anymore. I have changed so much for the better. I try to think of it as being healthy. I can't hardly even stand to look at bacon anymore. It's just sitting there in all the grease. It really grosses me out to think I use to eat that stuff.
I eat so many things now that are healthy for me.
So, you are very right when you say that. It has to be a lifestyle change or else it will fail.
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Hellrazor
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Posted: 14 July 2008 04:00 pm |
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I feel most diets fail becase they focus on a short term goal instead of the long term
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lynn40
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Posted: 24 July 2008 04:28 pm |
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I agree with everything that has been said, but I have another theory to add to the mix, too: I believe that many diets fail because the people who go on them are genetically or behaviorally wired to love food more than those who have never had a weight problem. I know that seems weird, but I've read some stuff and my own personal experience has shown me that there is some truth to this. I've known several people who are "naturally" thin, i.e., they do not expend any thought or extra energy into staying thin. I used to envy these people because I thought they could eat whatever they wanted and still stay thin. Well, I later realized that most of these people actually do eat less than I do. The BIG difference is that they don't want food as much as I do.
I'll use my husband as an example. He has NEVER had a weight problem. He eats whatever he likes---steak, eggs, butter sauces, etc. However, over the years, I've noticed that he only eats twice a day--sometimes only once. He just doesn't think about food. He never snacks. If he orders dessert at a restaurant, oftentimes he leaves half of it. He just doesn't want it. When I express amazement that he could just leave half of a caramel apple pie, for example, he says, "I've had enough of it. I just don't want anymore." Now me---I'd finish it simply because it tastes good and I want that taste in my mouth.
I realize now that, mentally, I am different from my husband. I actually want food more than he does. Whether this is genetic (which I believe it is) or behavioral (this could be part of the equation), it definitely exists. What this means is that if I go on a diet, it will always be a struggle for me because I will be in conflict with my natural desires. I think this is the case with many people who struggle with their weight, and this is one of the reasons I think people fail to maintain a weight loss. To finally maintain a weight loss, I think it's important to realize the aforementioned problem and come to terms with the fact that weight maintenance will always be a struggle. It has taken me years to come to terms with that, and there are still times when I slip into self-pity at the way I am.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 25 July 2008 06:43 am |
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Yes, Lynn, you are right, but I think we can also be conditioned to love food. I certainly was growing up.
There have been studies linking the endomorph body type to a love of food through genetic wiring. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but I DO know that eating is greatly psychological for me, and I'm a meso-endo.
Still, though, as I always say, it's just something we have to work through with willpower, one day at a time. 
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lynn40
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Posted: 25 July 2008 11:33 am |
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| CrimsonAnimus, that point you made about endomorphs is so interesting: I'm an endomorph! It makes sense. I agree with you about the willpower. It seems to get a bit easier the older I get.
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kedogn
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Posted: 26 July 2008 08:32 pm |
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I know I am a newbie here, but thought I would offer my 2 cents based on myself...
I believe that most diets fail because we simply don't understand them or why we are on them. We don't understand them to the point of realizing that we should never be on a "diet". Diets have a set start and ending point. Once you get started, you know it will end one day and usually sooner than later. A diet is a temprary fix to a much bigger problem and it can not solve your long term problems. Most people don't understand why they have the weight to lose and a simple answer of "Cause I'm fat" is not the correct answer.. it's the easy way out. It's not until you find out why you are that way that you can truly do something about it.
It was almost 8 weeks ago my wife looked at me and told me she was a "Food Addict". I laughed, honestly, cause I thought she was crazy. After listening to her explaination of why she believed she was, I spent some time researching and realized that, yes, I too, in fact, am a food addict. Realizing this did something to me that was amazing! It made me look at myself and the things I did in a complete different way. I read the book "Food Addiction: The Body Knows" and was in tears realizing that I did the things it mentioned (like someone earlier said with the carmel apple pie... finishing it just because its there and you like it... its an addiction! I did those things!).
It's been just over 6 weeks since we started the Food Addicts Anonymous food plan and in that time my wife has lost almost 20 pounds where I have gone down 47 pounds. Yes, 47 is a lot to lose in a short period like that, but then again I am now at 530 pounds, so I have a long, long ways to go and a lot to lose. I was actually down more as of a week ago today, but had what I call a "Whoops!" weekend. We went out to dinner, had salad bar at Ruby Tuesday's (I ate almost 1 full plate) and I had an order of hot wings (5 of them) with a beer (20oz). None of which we can really have on this program and my body freaked out and I went up 7 pounds!!
I am fighting my way back from that still and going through detox again. It is also unreal to believe that you will never have a "Whoops!" but it's important to get back on that horse and I have.
Here is where my frustration is... at 530 pounds, to maintain (according to calulators online I have used) I would need about 8800 calories a day... to maintain. With the FAA Meal Plan I am eating (with todays menu) 903 calories. This will fill me up to where I wont be hungry and wont crave anything (once I get past detox). I also exercise almost daily. So far today I have rode my exercise bike for 20 minutes averaging 15-17 MPH (I hit a total of 5.25 miles in 20 minutes). The calculators I use say that at my weight, I just burned 867 calories in that 20 minutes. I have actually gone up 1 pound this week, instead of down (since Tuesday). My wife says its that I am not eating enough... but if I am full, why should I shove the food down my throat to the point I will be sick, litterally vomit, cause I ate too much?!? That don't make sense either. I eat what I do and I am not light headed, I am not sluggish and as a matter of fact, I feel better than I have in a long, long time. Maybe its just a plateau, I dunno, but I do know that the math certainly don't add up.
Anyway, thats me and why I think diets fail + a little extra...
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cportwine
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Posted: 26 July 2008 09:21 pm |
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I just can't imagine eating 900 and some calories and being at that weight. You need to check out the calculators on here and increase your calories. I am totally amazed that you are not suffering from this. I realize you want to lose weight, but at what cost. I don't know, maybe I am way off on this. But, that seems like a very low calorie intake even for a normal person. Let alone someone of your size. I really would do some more research if I was you.
I am assuming that you are losing weight to be healthy, and I don't think losing muscle weight is very healthy.
Good luck to you! 
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kedogn
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Posted: 26 July 2008 10:52 pm |
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cportwine wrote: I just can't imagine eating 900 and some calories and being at that weight. You need to check out the calculators on here and increase your calories. I am totally amazed that you are not suffering from this. I realize you want to lose weight, but at what cost. I don't know, maybe I am way off on this. But, that seems like a very low calorie intake even for a normal person. Let alone someone of your size. I really would do some more research if I was you.
I am assuming that you are losing weight to be healthy, and I don't think losing muscle weight is very healthy.
Good luck to you!
Well, honestly, following the FAA meal plan, the calories will vary daily. What I mentioned above is just what I am eating today. As I said, I don't feel sluggish, I am not light headed and I feel better in all areas since starting the FAA program. I have so much more energy it's amazing. I have been able to get so much more done around my house, including finally cleaning out my garage and emptying boxes that were put in there when we moved in almost 3 years ago. I can ride my bike now more that I could before and going for (exercise) walks is actually fun. I just overall feel so much better.
Not sure what more research I would need to do (but I am always open to suggested reading), but if you wish, check out the Food Addicts web site and read about it yourself. The basis, if you don't know (I can't assume either way), is No sugar, No flour, No wheat. After detox, which generally last 2 weeks, I haven't felt this great in a long, long time. I have done all the programs, from Nutri-System, Weight Watchers, Healthy Weigh, Atkins, South Beach and I even had the stomach stapling surgery done back in March of 1997. The surgery was great to begin with but the reason I was/am overweight was *Never* addressed and over the years I gained it back (all but about 85-100 pounds of it anyway).
I have started to realize that it is indeed true, you need to eat to live, not live to eat. Most times, and this is now one of them, I am not hungry now and I am supposed to eat. With FAA you have lunch 4 hours after breakfast. I am now past that point, so I have to go eat and I will. If I only ate when I was actually hungry, I would now be eating much less than I do.
To recap, feel great, been a long time since I have feltg this great, 1000 points of light and I gotta go have lunch...
Thanks!
KEN
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 26 July 2008 11:01 pm |
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I totally agree with cportwine - 900 calories seems way too low. 
I eat below my RMR also, but not by THAT much. Make sure to read your body's signals as you progress through this.
Remember also that the strategy behind keeping the weight off is to make lifestyle changes you can stick with long term. Best of luck to you.
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kedogn
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Posted: 26 July 2008 11:43 pm |
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CrimsonAnimus wrote: Remember also that the strategy behind keeping the weight off is to make lifestyle changes you can stick with long term. Best of luck to you.
You betcha! If you haven't looked into FAA, check it out. I just had lunch (2 cups romaine lettuce, with 4 oz of taco meat, 4 tbs of salsa.. which was roughly 347 cals) and I am stuffed to the point of hurting. Who wouldn't want to follow a program where they can eat this way and lose weight? This program is amazing cause it teaches you how to spot the triggers that make you want to overeat. I don't crave anything. My biggest problem is the mental game when I go out with friends... its the social aspect. I have yet to be able to go hang out with the guys at the bar and not have a beer or 2. Allbeit "light" beer, it still has sugars in it. With that said, I'm doing good and feeling very good. This has opened my eyes to so many things, behaviors that I have/had that helped make me the way that I am. It shows you, teaches you and trains you, how to break those habits. By avoiding sugar, flour and wheat, you almost 100% eliminate the cravings for things that are bad for you. This isn't something you do for the short term, this is a change for my life for good. I can't really explain it more than that... you'd have to check it out yourself I guess.
Honestly, I am not worried about calories that much, as long as I follow the food plan, I KNOW the weight will come off in a safe manner. I honestly just dont see why its not coming off faster, based on my weight and all. Silly, I know, but doing the math it says it should. That was the biggest reason why I started looking for something to read today and found this site. I mean honestly, who wouldnt be frustrated to see that to maintain their weight it takes about 8800 cals a day, when they eat (lets say) 2000 a day, that's 6800 under for the day, 47600 for the week which should equate to a loss of roughly 13.6 pounds... without exercising. That's insane... I know! Top that with exercising, at my weight, riding 15+ MPH for 20 minutes says 867 cals burned. Do that 1x a day and that should be an additional almost 2 pounds lost, but it's not. However, this was a tough week for me, all around, and these are the things that go through my head. So I started looking and found this site. I'm just gonna have to be happy with what I get each week and call it good. 3+ pounds lost a week is nothing to sneeze at, thats for sure.
:)
KEN
P.S... you mentioned eating below your RMR but not this much. Mine is about 8800, so lets say I eat 50% below that (which is still insane, a 50% drop!) That's still 4400 cal a day... HOLY #%@&!! If I am eating 900 and change a day and am full, how in the holy world would I ever be able to eat 4400 without eating the things that are bad for me, like sugars? Any thoughts there? :)
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Posted: 27 July 2008 12:22 am |
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| So you are only eating 900 calories a day?? If so dude you need to eat way more. Your body is starving and would explain why weight isnt droping like you think it should. There are plenty of ways to eat 4400 calories in a day without bad stuff. Yesterday I rode 20 miles and then consumed 3800 calories for the day. I didnt eat anything bad and was still able to do it. Just look around there is great stuff you can eat
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kedogn
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Posted: 27 July 2008 12:35 am |
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Hellrazor wrote: So you are only eating 900 calories a day??
Again I say... that # for for today only. It varies depending upon what I chose for what catagroies... manily the protein for each meal. Today was bacon for breakfast, ground beef for lunch and will be bacon again for dinner (maybe sliced turkey, which would actually be 90 less cals for 4 oz's). Same days its eggs in the morning, turkey for lunch and a steak for dinner. It just depends on what I feel like eating and I rotate everything so its not boring and I get a good mix of things to eat. Like dinner last night was 4 oz of chicken (which I marinated in some Anchor Bar bufalo wing sauce, then grilled on the bbq), with some green beans (1 cup) and 1 cup of brown rice. I was minus 1 serving of raw veggie, but I was beyond full. Not sure on the calories, but not many I am sure... but its more than enough food.
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KEN
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lynn40
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Posted: 27 July 2008 12:37 am |
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Kedogn, congratulations on your success! I'm not going to lecture to you about your plan. Everyone has to find something that works for them, and what works for me may not work for you and vice versa.
I haven't read the book you referenced, but I did read some of the reviews of it on Amazon (they were mostly positive). I will say, though, that such a plan would not be for me. I could not go the rest of my life without sugar or flour. Part of the joy in life is eating good food, so my goal is to strive for balance. It is a struggle, but it's one that I'm willing to keep working on.
Again, you may be at the point where you know your limitations and this food addicts plan is the best one for you. If so, great! However, you may want to think about limiting your weigh-ins to once every two weeks or once a month. I can sense the frustration in your last post about not losing weight, but please realize that the body is it's own best regulator. You lost an incredible amount of weight very fast, so maybe your body is just taking a break from all that loss. If you reduce your calories from your maintenance level (especially in the amount that you described) there's simply no way that you will not lose weight.
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kedogn
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Posted: 27 July 2008 05:17 am |
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" I could not go the rest of my life without sugar or flour."
I agree 100% and it would be unrealistic to think I, or anyone, would never have something like that again... I mean I can only pass up so many birthday cakes, ya know? :) However, I now know what the sugar and flour (and wheat) does to my body and I know when I do chose to "splurge" and have something I shouldnt, like B-Day cake, I will know to have a small piece, enjoy it and move on. I mean, I guess we all "know" that... but until you can phyically feel what your body is like without it, I don't know that you can really understand it... or should I say that *I* couldn't and I am sure I am not alone on that.
"you may want to think about limiting your weigh-ins to once every two weeks or once a month"
It is one of the addictions I have to work on. I think my biggest thing is that at my weight it was hard to be able to weigh normally. Weight Watchers scales only went to 500 and when the last time you saw a scale at Wal-Mart that could weigh someone like me? I know I never have. So I invested in a scale that could weigh me and I admit, it is addicting watching that # drop... and I know that's not good either. But I am working on it. 1 step at a time :)
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cportwine
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Posted: 27 July 2008 05:17 am |
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kedogn wrote: P.S... you mentioned eating below your RMR but not this much. Mine is about 8800, so lets say I eat 50% below that (which is still insane, a 50% drop!) That's still 4400 cal a day... HOLY #%@&!! If I am eating 900 and change a day and am full, how in the holy world would I ever be able to eat 4400 without eating the things that are bad for me, like sugars? Any thoughts there? :)
Fruits and veggies! Nuts are also good. High in calories and fat and very good for you. lots of omega 3....
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kedogn
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Posted: 27 July 2008 05:27 am |
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cportwine wrote: Fruits and veggies! Nuts are also good. High in calories and fat and very good for you. lots of omega 3....
I guess I should have been more specific... things that work with the FAA program :) Fruits, I can have 2x a day, and usually do. Veggies for lunch and dinner. Nuts... nope, not on the plan. Also, I don't want to be eating for sake of eating. I see no reason to stuff myself to the point where I have to vomit in an attempt to get more calories. I ate dinner almost 2 hours ago (BLT's, no bread of course... 6oz bacon, a whole sliced tom, and lettuce wraps, with some mayo) and I am still stuffed to the point of hurting. To be honest, I didnt eat everything the plan called for, as I didnt have a starch veggie or grain... but I am more than full, so I wont be having that tonight, will make sure I do tomorrow, like I did yesterday.
Todays calories ended up being almost 1000 (with the addition of the mayo, and a couple extra slices of bacon). I am guessing most days will be between 1000 and 1100. Not too bad really.
Night y'all :)
KEN
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cportwine
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Posted: 27 July 2008 05:28 am |
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I got to say, also, how healthy is the plan....for like cholesterol and other things like that. I recall something said about taco stuff. What if you can't have beef, then what.....keep your options open and explore the food market. There are lots of good foods out there. You just need to find them.
I eat fish more than three times a week and only have beef twice a week if even that. Be good to your heart....... it will make all the difference.
Fiber,,,,,,is always a good thing. Beans,beans, and more beans. Also, walnuts,,,,very good for you.
ok, enough said here....
Basically it comes down to being healthy, and what you are doing with the intake of 900 and some calories is not healthy.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 27 July 2008 05:29 am |
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Kedogn, I wish you all the success in the world! I feel an obligation, though, to tell you a few more things:
1.) Your body NEEDS carbohydrates. It is your body's preferred energy source. It's true that it doesn't have to come from wheat, but keep in mind that the RIGHT kind of wheat has great healthy benefits for your body, including weight loss. When people think of wheat, they usually think of bread. Most breads on the market are not good for your health - very few are actually 100% whole grain, and many of them contain corn syrup and/or high fructose corn syrup. Not all of them do, however. I have experienced amazing results, and carbohydrates are a huge part of my diet. Most of them come from whole grains, as well as from the natural sugar within fruits.
2.) RMR is NOT an exact science. We all have different metabolism levels. However, 900 calories is extraordinarily low for your weight. It's not just about calorie deficit. As your body accumulates fat, it creates more muscle to manage it. Muscle weighs more by volume than fat, so it is feasible to see extraordinary losses in the beginning of a regimen, with a minimal amount of these losses being contributed to fat.
Most weight loss regimens with such drastic calorie deficits usually fail. When a body is not given enough calories to sustain itself, it tends to hold onto fat, and burn muscle instead, because muscle is more difficult to manage. You could experience a 50 pound loss, and the majority of it be from muscle. In such a case, even though your weight is lower, your body is really not healthier as a result. On the other hand, when you give it enough fuel, your body realizes that it is getting what it needs, and releases the fat.
By the way, if you didn't already know, RMR is how many calories your body burns daily just to survive, such as pumping blood throughout your body. When you have more fat, your body has to work harder, and needs more fuel just to take care of standard bodily processes. Not giving your body this fuel will not only likely result in minimal fat loss, but it could also very well cause damage to your internal organs.
Your RMR number also sounds WAY too high. For a 30 year old man at 5'10" and 530 pounds, his RMR would be 3,370. What is your age/height? I'd recommend you check your numbers again, and make sure to use your unadjusted RMR. When it is said you are not supposed to eat below your RMR, it is referring to the unadjusted RMR.
The safety point for going below your RMR is 75%, not 50%. In the above case, 75% of the unadjusted RMR would be 2,527 calories per day. This is very, very manageable, and easy to reach.
Keep us updated.
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suenos
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Posted: 27 July 2008 05:39 am |
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well, count me as the minority of one who doesn't believe that diets fail. I mean, they all come with different bells and whistles, but at the end of the day every single diet plan from Atkins to WW to EFL to Nutri-Systems is based on the exact same principle: if we consistently eat less food than our body uses we will lose weight. What I think fails is the person - not the diet. Either we fail to follow the diet itself because there are parts of it that we don't like so we add our own touches here and there to the food or exercise portion, which can end up adding too many calories to achieve a significant deficit...or we fail because we just don't want to do it anymore....or we succeed in losing the weight and then fail to maintain the loss because we abandon the basic reason we lost the weight (by whatever diet) in the first place: we start eating more and moving less than our bodies require to maintain our current weight.
IMO, the reason we so often fail to successfully diet is because we often focus 100% on the diet and 0% on why we became overweight/obese in the first place. I love what some of the other posters have said about this. The thing that strikes me is that I know a lot of naturally slim people who don't put much energy or thought into restricting their food choices: it's like "see food, looks tasty, eat tasty food and move on", but pretty much every single overweight person I have ever encountered (myself included) has had some sort of "emotional relationship" with food - and it's never a healthy relationship!
I know the buzzword of the day is about making lifestyle changes rather than dieting - even Weight Watchers uses that as part of its advertising now - but whatever we chose to call it, I think if we don't take a serious (and sometimes painful) look at our individual relationship to food, our self/body image, and a strong dose of reality in terms of our individual genetics and setpoint, then there's not going to be any long term difference in the success rate between "dieting" and "making a lifestyle change".
kedogen: First, I totally applaud you for deciding to tackle your weight issues once again from a different mental perspective - a lot of people, especially after a failed wls would have taken the "oh well, I'm just doomed to be this weight" attitude and given up. I do have to add though that unless you are under medical supervision, 900-1100 calories at your present weight is really not ideal. It's not because of the potential of muscle loss: to be honest at 500+ pounds you don't have to be overly concerned with losing muscle....a) at that weight much of your initial loss will be fat/water, and b) some of the muscle you have right now is simply there to help your body support the excess fat. BUT, as has been pointed out, your present diet does look as though it might be on the dangerous side of unhealthy....high in sodium, saturated fats, etc. and lacking in basic nutrients & fiber. I think you've got a start on some great ideas (for instance the sugar thing...yes, you can actually live quite happily without it) and the idea of eating only when hungry....but I'd suggest having your doctor or nutritionist review your plan with you to optimize the nuritional aspect. Whatever you decide to do...best of luck to you and I hope you keep posting.
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kedogn
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Posted: 27 July 2008 07:01 am |
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CrimsonAnimus wrote: Kedogn, I wish you all the success in the world! I feel an obligation, though, to tell you a few more things:
1.) Your body NEEDS carbohydrates.
Your RMR number also sounds WAY too high. For a 30 year old man at 5'10" and 530 pounds, his RMR would be 3,370. What is your age/height? I'd recommend you check your numbers again, and make sure to use your unadjusted RMR. When it is said you are not supposed to eat below your RMR, it is referring to the unadjusted RMR.
The safety point for going below your RMR is 75%, not 50%. In the above case, 75% of the unadjusted RMR would be 2,527 calories per day. This is very, very manageable, and easy to reach.
Keep us updated.
1) I am getting about 75-100 carbs a day... from fruit, starchy veggies and for breakfast I have either oatmeal or as I prefer a bowl of hot oat bran cereal... which has roughly 17 carbs in 1 serving. I get more when I have a 6 oz red potato with dinner as well. So I get carbs, no doubt there.
2) Yep, I agree with you that it does seem high... I used the first web site that I came across that had the equation for it and it is nowhere near what the caculations for this site say (pretty close to what you had, it shows 3377). Knowing which is right is anyones guess, honestly, but I would think the 3377 was closer to right as that would have me losing about 4 pounds a week and that just makes sense compared to the other sites calculations which seemed to me to be "Fuzzy Math".
Thanks... that took some frustration out of my day :)
KEN
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Nir
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Posted: 27 July 2008 10:18 am |
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Hi Ken, as you've said you're thirsty for information, I'd like to recommend the tutorial and also the book Eat To Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman . I think that, provided you get your calories from the healthiest most nutrient dense foods (fruits and vegetables) then eating a low number of calories is not necessarily unhealthy at your current weight (because you have a lot to lose) but without looking more closely at your diet you can't be sure that you are getting all the minerals, vitamins, pythochemicals, fibre etc. - you are mostly just feeling full because you have allowed your stomach to shrink.
My thoughts on the food plan (well the version of it I found at http://www.foodaddictsanonymous.org/foodplan.htm) is that it represents a step in the right direction compared with many people's initial diets, but on the other hand is lower in fruits and vegetables compared with the ideal healthy diet.
You asked about how to eat more healthy calories if your stomach is shrunk and you are feeling stuffed: my answer is: raw nuts and seeds and avocados; dried fruits; whole grains (even if you're avoiding wheat entirely, there are other grains such as oats to consider) and legumes.
EDIT to add: I am at another 12-step program called Overeater's Anonymous, a key difference being that OA members chose a food plan suitable to them (use of nutritionist or dietitian is encouraged if member is unsure of what food plan is suitable), I find it very helpful. I am over 15 months abstinent from binge eating and at a healthy weight
Last edited on 27 July 2008 10:21 am by Nir
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heidiv
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Posted: 29 July 2008 03:47 pm |
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1. People don't follow them
2. People only do them for a short amount of time
3. When they are done with their "diet" they go back to old habits
4. Crash diets kill your metabolism...so when you go back to old habits...ta da...all the weight back, plus more!
-Heidi
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a_positive_attitude
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Posted: 7 August 2008 08:58 pm |
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Because diets are not something anyone can really live with in the normal course of their life, for any length of time. (IMO)
I myself have finally stepped out of my denial and starting facing the truth about myself . "my eating habits were the worst". Once I really faced my truth (ie wrong foods, too many calories, I knew I had to "RETRAIN" myself. So I knew it was time replace my poor eating habits with good ones that I can live with for the rest of my life.
That to me means, healthy foods, calorie and portion control, and holding MYSELF accountable to the CHOICES I MAKE when I put something in my mouth.
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toussaud
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Posted: 8 August 2008 12:24 pm |
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the reason they fail is because they like someone said, are temporary fixes.
I came to the realization yesterday that for me to lose weight, I have to stop starving myself. I want to lose weight so bad I just wont' eat, but that's actually as I learned, counter productive, espically given how much I work out.
I have lost 30 pounds before (went from 190 to 160) and when I did it, I ate every bit of 1800 calories a day. now i struggle to eat 1200. that has to and will change.
it's not natural, that's why it doesn't fail. the person who is used to eating 2000 calories a day is not going to "adjust" to eating 900 a day. sooner or later they are going to benige.
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