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rose
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Posted: 15 May 2008 11:13 pm |
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I just noticed some people asking question regarding the HCG Diet in Scottsdale. I just finished and I lost 44 lbs. From a size 14 to a 4. I feel great and was never hungry. I had so much energy that I was talking so much but with nothing to say. I love this diet. I saw Dr. Kathy Kamin. Let me know if you are interested in getting her number. Good luck to all but at least check this diet out.
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cportwine
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Posted: 16 May 2008 06:48 pm |
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Hi, I don't need a diet. But, was wondering what you do to maintain your weight now that you have lost.
Cause, everyone on here knows that if you go back to your old eating habits then you will gain your weight back.
So, with this diet, is there an after plan or something.
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rose
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Posted: 17 May 2008 01:01 am |
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| Once you have re-metabolized your metabolism you will be able to eat anything you want. I have been off of the diet for months now and can eat anything I want and not gain any weight. There is a 6 week process to re set your metabolism. That should do it. That is why this diet is great.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 17 May 2008 04:02 am |
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I looked into the HCG diet, and it appears to me to be way more trouble than it is worth.
You mentioned that you were never hungry. The general calorie consumption of this diet is 500 calories/day. As I understand it, HCG acts as an appetite suppresant so that you don't get hungry. Whether or not this is the case (which from what I've read is not the case for everyone), anyone who eats 500 calories a day is apt to lose weight.
Quoted from http://www.safety2005.org :
Some of the possible side effects of the HCG shot are pelvic pain, swelling of the hands or legs, stomach pain and swelling, shortness of breath, weight gain, diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, or urinating less.
Also, the Phentermine drug is commonly used with HCG, and is even more dangerous:
The reported side effects from the Phentermine drug are irregular heartbeat, very high blood pressure, allergic reactions (hives, closing of the throat, trouble breathing, and swelling of the lips, tongue, or face), hallucinations, confusion, unusual behavior, dizziness, tremors, anxiety, headaches, restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, diarrhea, constipation, swelling of the legs or ankles, dry mouth, odd taste in mouth, hair loss, impotence, or change in sex drive.
If HCG was really as effective as you state, and you could eat absolutely anything after you lost the weight, this diet would be all over the media, and would practically be a household name. Some might say that it is not well-known because it would put the diet industry out of business, but I say that HCG is the scam, because as I said earlier, practically anyone will lose weight with a daily consumption of 500 calories.
Even if it did work, I would rather lose it the right way, and have it take a few more months, rather than risk the side effects.
One other thing - nowhere did I read that you can go back to eating any way that you want once you stop the HCG diet. In fact, I read the opposite - that you will have to continue to eat healthy in order to keep the weight off, and exercise was commonly recommended as well. No matter how high my metabolism could possibly be, I couldn't feasibly sit down and eat 5 steaks, 5 baked potatoes and a chocolate cake and expect to stay at a good weight, unless I had an EXTRAORDINARY amount of muscle mass. It's just not realistic.
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rose
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Posted: 18 May 2008 05:16 pm |
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I certainly appreciate other points of view, however, all I can tell you is the great experience I had personally as well as the very positive experience that over 50 other people have had under the direction of Dr. Kathy Kaiman...none of whom have experienced any of the negative side effects you have referenced here. HCG is not an "appetite suppressant" it is the naturally occurring hormone that women create when pregnant that consumes calories from the woman's natural fat stores to feed the baby.
By injecting a small amount of this hormone, non-pregnant people can also take advantage of this process by consuming their natural fat deposits for generating calories...just like when you build muscle mass or are in an extensive workout program. The small amount of HCG helps your body burn 2600 calories a day and the 500 calories you consume from regular food means your body is really getting 3100 per day, not just the 500 you are eating....so this is not a very low calorie/starvation kind of approach...exactly the opposite.
I am a big believer in a healthy lifestyle and have been eating healthy and working out for most of my life. But after my second child, all of my efforts seemed futile. So I checked out other alternatives.
The first and best way to lose weight is to exercise regularly and eat a healthy diet. But for those that are frustrated by their other attempts to lose stubborn pounds...or are just interested, I would encourage them to look up Dr. Kathy Kaiman in Scottsdale or I am happy to tell them about my experience and you can call me at 480-577-6630.
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Lucy
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Posted: 18 May 2008 06:20 pm |
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rose wrote:
The small amount of HCG helps your body burn 2600 calories a day and the 500 calories you consume from regular food means your body is really getting 3100 per day, not just the 500 you are eating....so this is not a very low calorie/starvation kind of approach...exactly the opposite.
I dont see how it is the opposite of starvation? You are only consuming 500, and if the hcg helps burn 2600 calories, then you are in a huge calorie deficit. You added the 500 calories to the 2600 hundred burned and suggested that was you calorie intake? You need to subtract the 500 from the 2600.
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jordani
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Posted: 3 September 2008 07:09 am |
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| Hello, I am new to this. I have been on the HCG diet for 7 days now and I am still starving to DEATH! I have been injecting myself in the stomach. I have been following the diet and I have been losing weight, but I feel like if I don't get over this hunger I am going to GORGE and lose it (my mind, not the weight). Does anybody have any advice for me or tell me if I am doing something wrong? Thanks so much!
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pegasus
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Posted: 4 September 2008 04:27 am |
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I am on day 30 or so of the injections, I was told to inject into muscle. I generally do upper thighs. Don't know if that causes any difference. Make sure you are drinking water all the time. I've averaged .4 pounds per day. My starting BMI was 24.6, now it is between 20 and 21. I am not hungry hardly at all - I find I lose less on the days I take in less than 500 calories so I make an effort to get at least 500 but I would do 350-400 if that gave better results - but it does the opposite. Good luck - being hungry all the time is unpleasant - I had that experience other times when I did 1000 calories per day but no hcg.
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Doug
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Posted: 4 September 2008 11:37 am |
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1 - Please reference the posts where people were asking about this diet. I did not see any until your post appeared here. A sudden group of posts from new members with no prior posts is not convincing.
2 - Any real medical evidence this works or is it all anecdotal like most scam diets?
3 – You should be pointing out that Dr. Kamin is a graduate of Bastyr University in Seattle but is NOT a medical doctor (Thank you Google). Your post makes it sound like she is. A naturopath can make claims and treat people without being required to show the slightest trace of evidence the treatment is effective.
4 – It still comes down to calories in vs calories burned. Even if HCG does temporarily cause fat to be burned it will just become fat again if your total calorie intake is greater than what you burn.
5 - I have never noticed a woman that loses weight after getting pregnant. Most of them get ravenously hungry, gain the weight required to deliver a healthy baby and have a hard time losing the weight after delivery. Taking a hormone to duplicate this effect seems like a very odd weight loss strategy to me.
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Hellrazor
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Posted: 4 September 2008 01:39 pm |
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Like I said in a different post people are in it for the quick fix and not the long haul. I am willing to bet the weight comes back double with in a year
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cportwine
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Posted: 4 September 2008 01:59 pm |
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Lucy wrote: rose wrote:
The small amount of HCG helps your body burn 2600 calories a day and the 500 calories you consume from regular food means your body is really getting 3100 per day, not just the 500 you are eating....so this is not a very low calorie/starvation kind of approach...exactly the opposite.
I dont see how it is the opposite of starvation? You are only consuming 500, and if the hcg helps burn 2600 calories, then you are in a huge calorie deficit. You added the 500 calories to the 2600 hundred burned and suggested that was you calorie intake? You need to subtract the 500 from the 2600.
I totally agree ! Wonder if she is maintaining her weight or if this was all just a big plug for that doctor.
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jordani
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Posted: 4 September 2008 04:48 pm |
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STILL STARVING, BUT DOWN 14 LBS IN A WEEK!
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Hellrazor
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Posted: 4 September 2008 05:26 pm |
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jordani wrote: STILL STARVING, BUT DOWN 14 LBS IN A WEEK!
During my weight loss goal I was never starving and I was eating between 1700-2200 calories. The most I lost in a week was 8lbs and that was without any medication diet. If you do it right and have the will to do it it will happen. I was at the gym 6 days a week on top of morning and night walks. I would be at the gym between 1-2 hrs dpending on the day. So you don't need this quick fix diet if you put your mind to it. Forgot to mention I was 265 in arpil 07 and 242 when I started my goal. So at 500 calories no wonder why you are starving. My kids eat more then that in fact my cats does
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cportwine
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Posted: 4 September 2008 06:24 pm |
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I totally agree. You don't have to starve yourself to lose weight.
I know there were times when I felt like I was starving, when I first started dieting. But, most of that was just in my head, cause I wasn't getting to eat what I wanted to eat.
I did however have some hunger pains at night before bed. I also, got really bad headaches. So, dieting is not fun, no matter how you decide to do it.
I never lost more than 5lbs in a week. It took me three years to lose all of my extra weight. I figured that if I lost it really fast then I would just gain it all back plus some like I have always done in the past.
I really wish you luck in your weight loss journey, but somehow I can't help but feel your setting yourself up for failure with a diet plan like that. I can't even imagine eating 500 calories a day. I have already had twice that today. Heck two of my snacks today total that much in calories.
Well, good Luck!
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 4 September 2008 07:59 pm |
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Doug, the posts Rose were referring to are probably the ones in the Diet Pills & Supplements forum.
I've done my fair share of debating HCG here, so I won't do it again, but I will tell you that proper diet and exercise does work. If I can get off my butt, go from 359 pounds to 233, starting out with a slow metabolism and with even a walk up the stairs being too much effort, than ANYONE can.
By the way, quick weight loss is possible with proper diet and exercise. It is NOT recommended, but it is possible. The most weight I've lost in a week was about 16 pounds. Granted, some of it was water, but some it was fat. Even if your measurements are going down, no one loses only fat on any weight loss regimen.
This is the only body you have - take care of it. 
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Hellrazor
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Posted: 4 September 2008 08:17 pm |
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CrimsonAnimus wrote: . If I can get off my butt, go from 359 pounds to 233, starting out with a slow metabolism and with even a walk up the stairs being too much effort, than ANYONE can.
That is great !!! We are great examples of what you can do if you put your mind to it. I was down after to 2 major knee surgery's in 3 months (wanna see a pic of my knee) and didn't think I would ever be the same and that killed me . Many months later I found SLY STALLONES BOOK and that changed my life and will never go back no matter what. I'm way to anal about it now so it will never happen
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 4 September 2008 08:23 pm |
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Kudos to you, Hellrazor!
We, as humans, are capable of great accomplishments, with enough tenacity and dedication.
You're right, there's no going back! Now that I've tasted what it is like to be healthy, I have no intention of ever going back!!! Well, being healthy tastes like chicken, actually...and salad. I might have to work on the salad part. 
And sure, if you want to share a pic of your knee, go ahead. 
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cportwine
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Posted: 4 September 2008 09:13 pm |
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Hellrazor wrote: CrimsonAnimus wrote: . If I can get off my butt, go from 359 pounds to 233, starting out with a slow metabolism and with even a walk up the stairs being too much effort, than ANYONE can.
That is great !!! We are great examples of what you can do if you put your mind to it. I was down after to 2 major knee surgery's in 3 months (wanna see a pic of my knee) and didn't think I would ever be the same and that killed me . Many months later I found SLY STALLONES BOOK and that changed my life and will never go back no matter what. I'm way to anal about it now so it will never happen
I just had to comment on the anal part. I sometimes think that I am anal with all my food preperation and exercise. But, that is what keeps me from being fat again. I also, love learning about new foods that are healthy and stuff like that. It's almost become a new hobby for me.
For the last year it has not been about dieting, but about being a better person and being healthy.
So, if that makes us all anal, then so be it.... 
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 4 September 2008 09:22 pm |
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Bravo, Cindy! Well put.
That is the philosophy that I hope to have when I'm ready to maintain. Seeing something as a "diet" opens the mind to thinking that you are being deprived. It doesn't have to be that way, though! Yes, we have to make sacrifices, but we don't have to sacrifice everything. Life is too short to sacrifice everything.
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cportwine
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Posted: 5 September 2008 02:52 am |
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| Oh, and your so right. If it wasn't for my cholesterol, I could actually enjoy a burger when I wanted. Once you start to maintain, you don't have to be so strict with yourself. I remember the first time that I splurged and I thought, I will pay for that. But, I didn't, cause I got right back on track the next day... and everything was fine.
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Hellrazor
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Posted: 5 September 2008 01:54 pm |
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cportwine wrote: Oh, and your so right. If it wasn't for my cholesterol, I could actually enjoy a burger when I wanted. Once you start to maintain, you don't have to be so strict with yourself. I remember the first time that I splurged and I thought, I will pay for that. But, I didn't, cause I got right back on track the next day... and everything was fine.
Yeah thats where I'm at and it isnt easy since my mind has been on weight loss for 7 months. I'm loving everything now and I just know all it takes is going to the gym or riding 15 or so miles. Starting give myself some leeway but it is hard after trying to loose weight need to re-train the brain
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cportwine
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Posted: 5 September 2008 08:02 pm |
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| I must not have to retrain my brain much, cause I still wouldn't mind losing a few more pounds, just can't seem to do it....lol
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pegasus
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Posted: 5 September 2008 11:07 pm |
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If I had your questions I would ask them of the dr who is supervising me on this regime. As this program can result in rapid weight loss I wouldn't do it without competent medical supervision. The medical dr I see does not ‘push’ this diet. Her primary practice is in endocrinology. She will supervise and advise those who want to do the Simeon protocol. Her charges for this are in line with routine dr visits. I went to this dr after a coworker I see infrequently showed up in significantly better spirits and health than the first 2 years of our acquaintance. After observing this over several meetings spaced over a few months I mentioned that she seemed to be less stressed and in general healthier. She relayed that she had been seeing a dr that was able to assist her in some basic hormone stabilizing issues. After she got on an even keel in that arena she investigated the Simaon protocol and has done 2 cycles on it. I have never been out of the normal BMI range but in the last 10 years it has been harder for me to stay under 25. As my time is tightly committed to personal and work responsibilities that cannot be reduced any time in the near future I can only spend minimal time exercising. I decided to try the Simeon protocol. I thought about doing a ‘before’ picture but I really didn’t think the ‘diet’ would work – I figured if this worked everyone would know about it. I have been pleasantly surprised that my BMI is now down at the bottom of the healthy range rather than the top. It does take some effort to make sure you have the right foods lined up, and some will power to not eat even the healthy things that are disallowed for the duration. But for the effort expended this has worked out quite well for me. I would never do this unless I was monitored by a competent physician. Likewise I monitor blood pressure and pulse routinely – on this protocol or not. Everyone should evaluate their options and do what they think best given their circumstances, me personally – I wouldn’t do this without a dr I had checked out and I wouldn’t get my hcg from a source I didn’t trust. I got my hcg from the dr’s office and it was less than $200 for all supplies for a 46 day program. It is unlikely I will stay on this for the full 46 days as my BMI is already 21.4 and I will stop when I get to 21. As I said yesterday I am around day 31 now. Take care.
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cportwine
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Posted: 5 September 2008 11:30 pm |
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I am kind of shocked that a doctor that does not push this diet, is having anything to do with it. Heck, my doctor flips out on me for just taking vitamins. But, that's besides the point.
I just wanted to ask, what happens after you quit it? How do you maintain it, without the diet?
Wouldn't it just be easier to eat healthy and exercise..... (said it again). I think this will be my new quote....lol
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pegasus
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Posted: 6 September 2008 12:23 am |
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I have a very healthy diet normally. I normally eat between 1200-1400 calories per day or else I would gain, my normal diet is low to moderate protein, low fat, whole grains, fresh fruit and moderate amounts of vegetables and small amounts of alcohol - and very few sweets - or else I gain. If I could work out 7 hours a week or more then perhaps that might give comparable results, but that is not an option for me. I have never been obese. It takes a lot of time to drop from a bmi of 24.8 to 21.4 via excercise - and I mean time in the gym - I enjoy working out but right now I have to pass on a lot of things I would enjoy doing. This option is a good one for me as in a fairly small amount of time (less than 2 months) I have been able to get rid of fat that has been accumulating for a good 20 years.
Once the 500cal/HcG injections are done the protocol is to increase the calorie count to 1000 but stay with the small selection of food items - after a couple of weeks of this you add back foods- a new one every 2 or 3 days. You keep increasing calories and foods until you get to whatever keeps your appetite and weight where you are content. If you creep up over your desired weight by 2 pound you reduce calories until you get back - noting new there. I may not have all the details right - I have instructions - have not memorized them - will read them carefully when I am ready to go to the next step
As to how I will do - have to wait and see. In the past when I have managed a weight loss of more than 5 pounds it usually 'lasts' and slowly comes back. As I am not tired or starving - have normal vital signs, the major inconvenience is a really dull diet and not being able to have that occasional glass of wine. I may not be typical - but then that is why folks need to evaluate and choose their best option.
As for doctors bias - some internal medicine docs will recommend chiropractors and others think chiropractors are quacks. I personally have benefited from bothe internal medicine doctors and chiropractors.
I found this forum as I was curious what others were experiencing re hcg and now I have an idea – this will likely be my last post as those things I need to do have piled up and I don’t have any more time to devote to this activity. In a few months I will check in and give a status. Until a few months passes I won’t know myself
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Posted: 6 September 2008 02:25 pm |
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cportwine wrote: I am kind of shocked that a doctor that does not push this diet, is having anything to do with it. Heck, my doctor flips out on me for just taking vitamins. But, that's besides the point.
Cindy,
That might have something to do with your doctor being a medical doctor, not a naturopath like the one pushing this diet. A naturopath is someone that "believes that the majority of ills can be treated effectively without pharmacy prescriptions". This is pretty much the same approach used in the middle ages and by witch doctors. In the middle ages the average life expectancy was about 40 and all kinds of diseases ran rampant. I am going to stick with current medical science myself.
While I was Googling the doctor I came across an ad on craigslist at http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/bts/784393748.html . It is an interesting coincidence that the original poster has the same first name as the employee running ads on craigs list.
I strongly believe that the original poster is a spammer running an ad here and the other posters are the same person using different names. There is a difference between being open minded and gullible. This diet is for the gullible. I think a lot of you feel the same way but do not want to hurt the feelings of anyone that is considering this. But if you let someone waste their money on a scam diet you are not doing them a favor.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 6 September 2008 08:15 pm |
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This thread really shouldn't be in the main forum at all. It is counterproductive to the site mission, in my opinion, and belongs in the Diet Pills & Supplements forum, where such quick weight loss fixes abound. 
Also, Rose does work for Dr. Kathy Kamin. She admitted it in the other forum.
I do have to say one thing here:
As my time is tightly committed to personal and work responsibilities that cannot be reduced any time in the near future I can only spend minimal time exercising.
If I could work out 7 hours a week or more then perhaps that might give comparable results, but that is not an option for me.
People MAKE time for what is important. I've worked two jobs before (totaling 14 hour days), supported a family, and still would have had time to exercise. There are always options. You can wake up an hour or half-hour earlier. Instead of watching your favorite show at night, you can do it then. Or better yet, you can exercise while you're watching your favorite show. But alas, people just like to THINK that they're too busy to do anything.
This phrase really says it all:
It takes a lot of time to drop from a bmi of 24.8 to 21.4 via excercise - and I mean time in the gym - I enjoy working out but right now I have to pass on a lot of things I would enjoy doing.
You didn't gain that weight overnight! Your body isn't designed to lose it overnight, either. Also, you don't have to go a gym to work out. I haven't stepped in a gym one time this year, and have lost 128 pounds, through proper diet, and exercise, the latter being the bigger influence in my weight loss. You only have one body - take care of it!
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Posted: 13 November 2008 07:02 am |
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CrimsonAnimus wrote: I looked into the HCG diet, and it appears to me to be way more trouble than it is worth.
You mentioned that you were never hungry. The general calorie consumption of this diet is 500 calories/day. As I understand it, HCG acts as an appetite suppresant so that you don't get hungry. Whether or not this is the case (which from what I've read is not the case for everyone), anyone who eats 500 calories a day is apt to lose weight.
Quoted from http://www.safety2005.org :
Some of the possible side effects of the HCG shot are pelvic pain, swelling of the hands or legs, stomach pain and swelling, shortness of breath, weight gain, diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, or urinating less.
Also, the Phentermine drug is commonly used with HCG, and is even more dangerous:
The reported side effects from the Phentermine drug are irregular heartbeat, very high blood pressure, allergic reactions (hives, closing of the throat, trouble breathing, and swelling of the lips, tongue, or face), hallucinations, confusion, unusual behavior, dizziness, tremors, anxiety, headaches, restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, diarrhea, constipation, swelling of the legs or ankles, dry mouth, odd taste in mouth, hair loss, impotence, or change in sex drive.
If HCG was really as effective as you state, and you could eat absolutely anything after you lost the weight, this diet would be all over the media, and would practically be a household name. Some might say that it is not well-known because it would put the diet industry out of business, but I say that HCG is the scam, because as I said earlier, practically anyone will lose weight with a daily consumption of 500 calories.
Even if it did work, I would rather lose it the right way, and have it take a few more months, rather than risk the side effects.
One other thing - nowhere did I read that you can go back to eating any way that you want once you stop the HCG diet. In fact, I read the opposite - that you will have to continue to eat healthy in order to keep the weight off, and exercise was commonly recommended as well. No matter how high my metabolism could possibly be, I couldn't feasibly sit down and eat 5 steaks, 5 baked potatoes and a chocolate cake and expect to stay at a good weight, unless I had an EXTRAORDINARY amount of muscle mass. It's just not realistic.
HCG is not an appetite suppressant, it is a hormone that every person either has or had in their body at some point of their life. That little stick that women pee on to see if they are pregnant or not is to see if they are making HCG for the unborn baby. Facts are always a good thing. I know a ton of people that are losing a lot of weight, and they are not having any "side effects" at all.
The study you posted was paid for by whom? Corporations that would lose billions of dollars per year if people knew the truth. The fact is that the Hypothalamus Gland in the brain naturally regulates body fat, but it requires HCG to do so. HCG is a hormone that transmits data from the Hypothalamus Gland to the rest of the body. If your metabolism is slow, then adding more HCG into your body will speed it up.
It is safe, natural and the way things are supposed to be, that is if there weren't so many chemicals in the modern food supply. Pesticides, herbicides, toxins, etc as well as genetically modified foods all remove HCG from the body. People need to eat 100% organic food. Stay away from prepackaged foods. Buy nuts, grains, seeds, etc in bulk from a trustworthy organic source. Also you should look into growing your own fruits and vegetables, that way you know they are organic. Drink water without any Fluoride. The EPA actually labels Fluoride as a toxic chemical! Seriously, look it up. The handlers at moder water treatment plants have to wear rubber suits when they handle that stuff, but then they tell you it is safe to drink??? That's BS!
Try watching the movie "King Corn" or "Super Size Me", and you will see just how and why America has become the fattest nation on earth. It is not from a lack of exercise as much as it is from poor diet. Exercise is great for cardio and building muscle, but HCG is the way to go for fat loss. There is a lot more free information about all of this at <LINK REMOVED - PLEASE READ POSTING GUIDELINES>. They also told me about Eleotin tea (from http://www.eastwoodcompanies.com), which can cure diabetes over there. Thanks to their information my diabetes is gone now.
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cportwine
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Posted: 13 November 2008 12:28 pm |
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I still don't see how any hormone or drug (whatever it is) is going to fix any ones weight problem. Nothing, will replace exercise and eating right. You are all just looking for an easy out.
Personally it is easier and more cost effective for me to just get off my butt and exercise, and follow it up with eating right.
And to be honest that is not that hard to do.
I think people want to get something for nothing. Well, everyone knows that if you don't put in the time and the effort, then you will not get anything in return. Yeah, you might get some sort of short term pay off, but it won't last.........
All of us that are losing weight the right way, know that... Which is why we are long time members on this site and look down on post of this nature.
I also, don't get why someone would even want to mess with their hormones anyway. Wouldn't it make more sense to just be healthy....
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Hellrazor
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Posted: 13 November 2008 02:04 pm |
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So King Corn You said "It is not from a lack of exercise as much as it is from poor diet" You are partially right most Americans do not exercise with that poor diet hence the obesity problem in America. This is just a quick fix solution and we all know what happens with those things. You also said "I know a ton of people that are losing a lot of weight, and they are not having any "side effects" at all." Yeah they have no side effects right now but down the road their side effects will be weigh gain when they stop this program. The only aid I needed was stronger will power and once I got it there was no stopping me. You have to wanna change in order for the long term effects to work.
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cportwine
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I can't even imagine eating that few of calories.... it's insane... I like to eat and eat pretty much anything I want now that I have lost the weight. I didn't get to do that at first, but neither are these people. So, really what is the up side to it.
You still aren't getting to eat what you want, so why bother.
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cportwine wrote: I still don't see how any hormone or drug (whatever it is) is going to fix any ones weight problem. Nothing, will replace exercise and eating right. You are all just looking for an easy out.
Personally it is easier and more cost effective for me to just get off my butt and exercise, and follow it up with eating right.
And to be honest that is not that hard to do.
I think people want to get something for nothing. Well, everyone knows that if you don't put in the time and the effort, then you will not get anything in return. Yeah, you might get some sort of short term pay off, but it won't last.........
All of us that are losing weight the right way, know that... Which is why we are long time members on this site and look down on post of this nature.
I also, don't get why someone would even want to mess with their hormones anyway. Wouldn't it make more sense to just be healthy....
That's because you don't know how the brain works. There is a gland in the brain called the Hypothalamus Gland that actually regulates body fat. It needs HCG in order to funtion correctly though. Every person is born with HCG, it's a fact! You know those little sticks that women pee on to see if they are pregnant? If it turns blue (or whatever the being pregnant mark is) that is because they are peeing out excess HCG from being pregnant. It is the only time that HCG is produced by anyone. The HCG does not go to the mother, that's why pregnant women don't suddenly get skinny from being pregnant. Instead it is the lifetime supply of the unborn child.
Why is that so hard for people to comprehend?
I spent 17 years going to the gym and dieting without losing more than maybe 10-20lbs after about 2-3 months. Then I would gain it all back in about 2 weeks. I was eating salads, small amounts of chicken (unseasoned and grilled), some steamed vegetables, fresh fruit, etc.
NOTHING WAS WORKING FOR ME FOR 17 YEARS!!!
I got to the point that I wanted to die than to try anymore. That's when I heard about the HCG Protocol by Dr ATW Simeons. It was from medical discoveries he made back in the 1950s. He was the first to discover all the things that the Hypothalamus Gland actually did. It controls body fat, regulates seratonin, controls body temperature, regulates sex drive, aids in reproductive gland operation, and many other major things in the body. However for it to operate correctly, it needs HCG. Without it the Hypothalamus Gland cannot communicate with the rest of the body.
The probelm is that some of you people have NEVER expereinced what I went though. You just keep talking like broken records about "calories in, calories out" and "work out" and "diet". The problem is that you do not know what the cure for obesity is. The cure is to reset your Hypothalamus Gland and restore your HCG levels. PERIOD.
There are some people in this world that cannot simply go to the gym and lose weight. In fact most people in the US are at the point that they could not lose weight by diet or exercise at all.
I have now lost over 60lbs in 3 months, and the beauty is that the only exercise required was walking an hour per day. No more treadmills, weights or stupidity for me because I found the weight loss cure.
As far as keeping the weight off, you need to understand that Dr ATW Simeons wrote the HCG Protocol in the 1950s. According to the over 10,000 people that he had lose weight with this protocol, none of them gained more than 5lbs back the rest of their lives unless they went out and screwed themselves up by gorging everyday for years after that. NO OTHER WEIGHT LOSS PROGRAM HAS THE SUCCESS RATE THAT THE HCG PROTOCOL HAS! It is documented and proven. It is natural, therefore it is safe.
The 500 calorie diet is only done for a maximum of 45 days, but with the HCG injected into your system the body is burning over 2000 calories per day. The 500 calories are made up from a select list of foods only to get certain vitamins and minerals that you will not get from the fat being burned. That is the only reason to eat anything on the HCG Protocol. I have not been hungery the entire time I have been on the HCG Protocol.
You people are knocking something you have never tried and honestly know absolutly nothing about. Maybe you should do some research to find out the truth first. I say that because it is sad to see people mislable HCG as a drug, appetite surpressent, etc because they do not know the facts. It is also sad to hear people talk about "side effects" like HCG was some type of drug. After more than 60 years, the HCG Protocol has not had any negetive side effects when it is done properly. The only times there were negatives were when people made mistakes. PERIOD.
If anyone would like to know the TRUTH about HCG and how the HCG Protocol works, then just send me a private message. Don't listen to the people that have no clue as to what they are talking about. I researched the HCG Protocol for quite some time before I just tried it. I wanted to make sure I was going to be safe before I took it. I got the facts, and the more I researched it, the more I knew it was the only thing that would save me from my weight and depression. The fact is that now not only is my weight going away, but my brain is producing serotonin again. That means my depression is going away as well.
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Posted: 14 November 2008 02:12 pm |
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Great if it works for you and we maybe not knowledge in the area fine . I understand the whole thing that we haven't experienced it but I would rather not. I just find it hard to believe that only eating 500 calories for 45 days could be good for you . Also to loose weight training while losing weight also sounds like a very bad idea. Most people in the USA don't loose weight with diet an exercise cause they fail at what they are doing and go for the quick fix solution FACT. Then they wonder why they have put it back on when they stop their quick fix program. So if this works for you then great but it just sounds wrong to me
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Posted: 14 November 2008 09:35 pm |
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King Corn wrote:That's because you don't know how the brain works. There is a gland in the brain called the Hypothalamus Gland that actually regulates body fat. It needs HCG in order to funtion correctly though. Every person is born with HCG, it's a fact!
Yes, HCG is a natural substance. Urea is also a natural substance. Would you inject urea into your bloodstream to cure an overactive bladder? I would hope not. The HCG protocol involves using a natural substance in an unnatural way.
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There are some people in this world that cannot simply go to the gym and lose weight. In fact most people in the US are at the point that they could not lose weight by diet or exercise at all.
This is a COPOUT. I have never met one single person who could not lose weight through proper diet and exercise. It is a fact that many of us have to work harder than others. That's unfair, but that is life.
Early this year, I weighed 359 pounds. I was eating the wrong foods, and only 1-2 times per day at that. I was also completely sedentary. However, I was also eating an average of 2500-3000 calories per day, well below the calorie intake expected of someone my size. My metabolism was seriously messed up.
Today, I am down to 205, and still counting. I finally have the metabolism that a 26-year old should have. Those excuses that overweight people use to justify their weight apply to me as well. I did come into this world big, at almost 10 pounds. Obesity is genetic within my family. When I was a 15, I was a fairly skilled runner, but at 16, I shot up to 330 pounds, with no full justification on my part.
I stayed over 300 until this year, when I finally decided to change. That is the REAL cure for obesity. It is not HCG, it is not proper diet, and it is not exercise. It is the drive to change, and the preserverance to see it through.
However, eating right and exercising is the way our bodies were designed to lose weight. Stating that someone cannot lose weight with this method is invalid. Yesterday, I burned over 1100 calories on the elliptical, and over 100 calories walking a mile. I only ate about 1500-1600 calories, with no junk whatsoever. That is more effort than most people are willing to put forth, but it clearly shows that it is not impossible, just very tough.
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No more treadmills, weights or stupidity for me because I found the weight loss cure.
Neither of the above represent stupidity. With this statement, you are implying that the HCG protocol is the only way to lose weight. That is quite close-minded for someone who is implying "close-mindedness" of others.
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As far as keeping the weight off, you need to understand that Dr ATW Simeons wrote the HCG Protocol in the 1950s.
Yes, let's talk about that.
The HCG protocol has indeed been around for a long time. That is, however, to its detriment. There has not been ONE SINGLE STUDY to prove that HCG injections are effective for weight loss. I am not disputing that the protocol works, but it is curious indeed that even after 60+ years, scientists are still not able to prove it.
It is more likely that the weight loss from the HCG protocol does not actually come from the HCG injections, but rather the other facets of the protocol - a switch to natural foods, eliminating the application of chemicals, etc., all of which I fully advocate, too.
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It is documented and proven.
No, it is not. Testimonials do not prove anything, and neither does research performed by HCG manufacturers. You would need an independent, unbiased research study to prove that HCG injections are effective for weight loss, and no such study exists. If you have one, please feel free to share it.
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It is also sad to hear people talk about "side effects" like HCG was some type of drug. After more than 60 years, the HCG Protocol has not had any negetive side effects when it is done properly. The only times there were negatives were when people made mistakes. PERIOD.
What is your definition of a side effect? There are several, but the one I refer to is "any adverse effect of a drug or treatment".
Many people have claimed heavy hunger while on the HCG protocol, including here on CPH. That is one side effect.
I am not an HCG hater as you have labeled me. I have, however, done research on the HCG protocol, and determined that it is not for me. That is a decision for each individual to make.
I am against the notion that the HCG protocol is flawless. Even losing weight the right way is not perfect. There is still so much that is not understood about the science of weight loss.
To give a clear example, even the most skilled of surgeons can perform perfect operations, but complications can still occur due to unexpected factors. The same applies to practically everything biological. Because of this, stating that any weight loss regimen is "fool-proof" is unsound.
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Posted: 14 November 2008 09:41 pm |
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Thanks Hellrazor for conceding that you have no experience or knowledge about HCG. It takes a good person to admit that because it is not easy to do. I didn't know about HCG before I got the information about it as well. I was VERY skeptical of it myself because I had spent so many years tying basically anything you can think of. HCG is the ONLY thing that has worked for me. As far as not gaining it back, the fact is that thousands of people were recorded showing no more than 5lbs gained back decades after doing the HCG Protocol. You have to understand that people started doing this HCG Protocol back in the 1950s, and Dr Simmeons kept records on most of his clients until he passed away in the 1970s. After about 20 years only gaining 5lbs back is a pretty good result I would say.
One of my online friends just posted about her experience as a female body builder. She moved from Australia to the US back in 1999, and while still on the same workout and diet program she gained over 100lbs over the next about 5 years! She was an obsesive calorie counter and would work out at least 2 hours per day, 6 days per week. Now how did she suddenly gain 100lbs? How does that compute into all these other peoples' opinions that diet and exercises are supposed to automatically make people lose weight? It doesn't. The chemicals added to the US food supply system make a bigger difference than the number of calories consumed or burned at a gym, PERIOD.
Herbert Ley M.D. was quoted as saying, "The thing that bothers me is that people think the FDA is here to protect them. It is not. It is here to protect the interests and profits of the corporations that pay us (the FDA officials)." How would Herbert Ley M.D. know that? Simlple, that quote was from his resignation as Commissioner of the FDA after working there for over 10 years! The corporations he was referring to are the food and drug corporations. Think about the fact that prior to pesticides, herbicides, toxins, growth hormones, genetically modified foods, etc existed there was not an obesity epidemic like there is in the US today.
Does that mean there were more gyms in the past open than there are today? Does that explain why people suddenly get fat? No, there are more gyms today cashing in off of peoples' misery. There are more diet companies that are cashing in as well. Diet and exercise are not a bad thing, but they are not the cure for obesity. It will work for a few people, but those same people have to keep going and going and going on their programs to maintian. That is not the definition of a cure, but the definition of a treatment. If the treatment works for you and you are happy about it, then keep doing it. If you are sick of diets and exercises because you have to, then look to the weight loss cure created by Dr Simeons back in the 1950s. It worked for 100% of his customers that followed the HCG Protocol without deviating from it.
People get upset when someone else finds something better because of jealosy and ego. I do not mean to offend anyone, but I like to share what I have learned and help others. I do not make a penny for doing it, but I know what it is like to truly suffer. Now that I know the solution, it would be selfish of me to keep the information to myself. I am of the mind set of the movie "Pay It Forward". Others helped me, so I am passing the information to help more people.
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Posted: 14 November 2008 10:11 pm |
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King Corn wrote:
One of my online friends just posted about her experience as a female body builder. She moved from Australia to the US back in 1999, and while still on the same workout and diet program she gained over 100lbs over the next about 5 years! She was an obsesive calorie counter and would work out at least 2 hours per day, 6 days per week. Now how did she suddenly gain 100lbs? How does that compute into all these other peoples' opinions that diet and exercises are supposed to automatically make people lose weight? It doesn't. The chemicals added to the US food supply system make a bigger difference than the number of calories consumed or burned at a gym, PERIOD.
People get upset when someone else finds something better because of jealosy and ego. I do not mean to offend anyone, but I like to share what I have learned and help others. I do not make a penny for doing it, but I know what it is like to truly suffer. Now that I know the solution, it would be selfish of me to keep the information to myself. I am of the mind set of the movie "Pay It Forward". Others helped me, so I am passing the information to help more people.
Well I get the feeling your friend is either not telling the whole story or she was doing something wrong. For someone to put that much weight on and still be counting calories/working out doesn't not make sense. To the second thing I quoted of you is total #%@&!. We are not upset or jealous cause you found something that worked for you. As you can tell we are not looking for some quick way to loose weight. We are into doing it the proper way. You say some people can't loose weight by proper diet and exercise like crimson said it is a cop out. If you have the drive to want to change it will work for you just have to play around to figure it out. As we all know there is no instant cure for weight loss cause if this was cure why isn't it everywhere. Also I don't think gym's are cashing on peoples misery's. I think people like you who struggled with it blame other people for your struggle's with statements like that.
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Posted: 14 November 2008 10:12 pm |
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I just don't understand why people spend money on weigh loss at all. The knowledge that we have is FREE so why would I want to fork over money for something that I don't have to pay for.
If this truly was THE answer to weight loss then doctors would be handing it would for free. Obesity costs the government billions of dollars per year. If it were as simple as take a shot then they would give it to everyone who is over weight and unhealthy.
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Posted: 14 November 2008 10:35 pm |
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Hellrazor wrote: I think people like you who struggled with it blame other people for your struggle's with statements like that.
Hellrazor, I think you nailed it.
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Posted: 15 November 2008 12:14 am |
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By the way, King Corn, you really can't expect people not to be skeptical of such claims as you are making, but if your own personal story is true, then congrats on that. I have made my own viewpoints on the HCG protocol clear here on CPH, but while I know people do look to HCG as a "quick fix", I know that it's not an easy road, either. It's wonderful that you and the others have achieved such great success, and I hope it lasts for you. As someone whose life has also been turned around by losing weight, I know how fantastic it feels. I wish you success.
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Posted: 17 November 2008 07:42 am |
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HCG is a natural occurring hormone in the human body. Would you like me to post links to the hundreds of JAMA medical documentations about that? The fact still remains that people are born with HCG, and that modern food in the US removes the natural HCG. The HCG Protocol simply restores your natural levels.
What I stated is NOT a copout at all!!! In fact I went to the gym for years, as I mentioned before and I would only lose a few pounds and gain it all back while still maintaining the workout program.
There are thousands of documented patients from Dr ATW Simeons that lost weight during medical studies back in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s with the HCG Protocol. There were also some double blind studies done in the 1970s here in the US. The facts can be found on JAMA, and it shows that 9 people were on the HCG Protocol and lost an average of 14lbs in 9 days. The study was cut short because the 11 people who were doing the protocol without getting HCG were actually starving to death. The HCG Protocol is designed to be done for at least 23 days up to 45 days maximum. I would provide the link to the study, but I was told I am not allowed to post links on this forum. So much for freedom of speech in America.
There are several reasons why some people have hunger while on the HCG Protocol. That is why when Kevin Trudeau released his book about it there were several updates to the HCG Protocol. There was a list of cleanses added due to the content of modern food. That came about because back when the Protocol was written, there were no chemicals added to the food supply. Which is why 100% organic food is manidtory for the HCG Protocol. There are a few other things that I would be glad to share with anyone who wants to know the truth.
Yes, the HCG Protocol is working for me. I am not a cop out, nor a person who blames others for my problems. The problem that I am getting to is that people do not know what is in the food in the modern food supply today. I stated before that I went to the gym for nearly 17 years straight, but people here are trying to tell me that I was not dedicated! That's a load of @$#%!!! I never missed a day! Nothing was working for me! I ate right and exercised for 17 years, but the weight would not come off. Instead it was getting worse and worse, until I started the HCG Protocol. When the protocol is done properly the weight stays off naturally. Just like a teenager that can eat anything and not gain weight. That is how you are resetting your Hypothalamus Gland to be on the HCG Protocol. It then resets your metabolism as well. The weight comes off on its own.
The problem is that there is a lot of false information about HCG out there. People need to be educated about the truth. It is not a quick fix, but rather a permanent one.
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Posted: 17 November 2008 01:43 pm |
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Good for you but I think you were doing something wrong for 17 yrs. For weight not to come off with proper D&E but gaining weight instead something is wrong. Either bad eating? or something really wrong with your body.Did you ever consult a doctor during this time about it. I don't find dedication in some injection to loose it that's just me. I lost my 100lbs the old fashioned way with blood sweat and tears that was my injection
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Posted: 18 November 2008 08:54 am |
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I was eating everything in proportion on a 1200 calorie/day diet, while going to the gym 1-2 hours at least 4 times per week. I would lose a few pounds, and it would come right back without taking any breaks from the gym or cheating on the diet. The most I lost doing that was 25lbs, but it came right back. No change to the diet or the exercise.
The problem was that the food in the US is full of pesticides, herbicides, toxins, growth hormones, etc. The food was killing me! After all that's what poison does. I can't believe it took that many years to figure it out. I switched to organic food, and my weight dropped about 15lbs (on average). My weight was still going up and down, but at least I had a slight improvement.
I didn't know what else to do, then I heard about the HCG Protocol. It just made sense because it explained everything that was wrong with me. I am now down 68lbs thanks to the HCG. I dropped 8lbs since starting on this forum. I actually have time for forums since I don't go to the gym anymore.
I am not against exercise at all. I plan to go back to the gym after the weight comes off, but the HCG protocol actually wants you to not work out during the 45 day injection cycles. I can go any other time, just not now. It should make things easier once the weight is gone. :D
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Posted: 18 November 2008 02:08 pm |
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Well 1200 calories is not enough food no wonder why you had problems. So to say it was all the food from the US is funny. I ate good ole American food and I had no problem loosing the weight. Now we see that it was the lack of food was the problem and it sounds like no other reason. It is good that you found something that worked but I believe in the old fashion way, and I think everyone should do it that way. It will work you just need to figure things out instead blaming someone else when it doesn't
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Posted: 19 November 2008 12:38 am |
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I dropped my diet gradually to 1200 after a few years at higher amounts. No matter what the calories were I still could not lose weight. The 1200 was the last 2 years of that program. Now I am on 500 calories per day (just for the 40 day injection cycles), and I am less hungry than I was on 1500 calories per day a few years ago. Plus, I am actually losing weight now... finally!!! :D
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Posted: 19 November 2008 01:31 am |
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| So have you read Kevin Trudeau's book about HCG??? I wouldn't believe a thing that crook has to say. Also Clinical research trials published by the Journal of the american medical association and the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition have shown that HCG is ineffective as a weight-loss aid. Last edited on 19 November 2008 01:34 am by Hellrazor
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Posted: 19 November 2008 08:04 am |
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Hellrazor, do you believe the FDA is here to protect people?
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Posted: 19 November 2008 08:44 am |
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King Corn wrote: Hellrazor, do you believe the FDA is here to protect people?
I work with individuals from USFDA every day....
YES they are!
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Posted: 19 November 2008 02:26 pm |
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Yes I do ! Do you believe someone who posed as doctor in order to deposit 80 grand in false checks and pleaded guilty to larceny plus many other devious things
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Posted: 19 November 2008 08:49 pm |
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The FDA has their own interests to protect, but so does Kevin Trudeau, along with those who work at HCG clinics...
All of our government health agencies are a bit behind on several aspects, largely due to the fact that it takes them FOREVER to approve or disprove things, but alas, such is our government, in general.
Even if you believe the FDA is one big conspiracy, though, it still doesn't change the fact that there are no studies to prove the HCG protocol even works, either from the government or independent researchers.
I do believe that people are too quick to rely on what goverment health agencies have to say. If you really want to learn what it means to be healthy, you cannot rely on anyone but yourself, and that means taking in information from ALL sources, and researching official studies which have provided more conclusive results.
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Posted: 20 November 2008 01:47 am |
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Has anyone ever heard of Herbert Ley, M.D.? He was the commissioner of the FDA for over 10 years. When he resigned he was quoted saying, "What makes me sad is that people believe the FDA is here to protect them. It is not. It is here to protect the profits and interests of corporations that pay us."
The fact is that the FDA is not a government agency, but rather a private agency that was government appointed.
There are actually studies that prove HCG works and that it is safe. Some of those studies have been around since the 1950s, and there have been more done since then. I am living proof that it works.
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