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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 20 November 2008 03:09 am |
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Again, I offer you to provide links to such studies, or at least name them, so we can analyze them in detail.
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King Corn
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Posted: 21 November 2008 05:20 am |
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I will get some for you in the near future. I have to dig through JAMA to find some of them again. There are actually quite a few studies and information out there. It's just a matter of doing some research.
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suenos
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Posted: 21 November 2008 04:23 pm |
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Pretty much not interested in HCG one way or the other...just thought it was interesting that no clinical studies were actually being cited.....jit's one thing to promote something based soley on "hey this is something I've done and it worked for me" and something altogether different about promoting something based on psudoscience....so, just referencing what a few actual scientific studies from around the world (germany, s. africa, u.s.) have concluded on the subject:
S Afr Med J. 1990 Feb 17;77(4):185-9.
Human chorionic gonadotrophin and weight loss. A double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.
Bosch B, Venter I, Stewart RI, Bertram SR.Department of Medical Physiology and Biochemistry, University of Stellenbosch, Parowvallei, CP.
Low-dose human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) combined with a severe diet remains a popular treatment for obesity, despite equivocal evidence of its effectiveness. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled study, the effects of HCG on weight loss were compared with placebo injections. Forty obese women (body mass index greater than 30 kg/m2) were placed on the same diet supplying 5,000 kJ per day and received daily intramuscular injections of saline or HCG, 6 days a week for 6 weeks. A psychological profile, hunger level, body circumferences, a fasting blood sample and food records were obtained at the start and end of the study, while body weight was measured weekly. Subjects receiving HCG injections showed no advantages over those on placebo in respect of any of the variables recorded. Furthermore, weight loss on our diet was similar to that on severely restricted intake. We conclude that there is no rationale for the use of HCG injections in the treatment of obesity.
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Geburtshilfe Frauenheilkd. 1987 May;47(5):297-307.[Risk-benefit analysis of a hCG-500 kcal reducing diet (cura romana) in females] [Article in German]
Rabe T, Richter S, Kiesel L, Runnebaum B.
The British physician A.T.W. Simeons described in 1954 a new method for dieting. He combined a reduction diet (500 kcal per day) with daily injections of the pregnancy hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (125 IU i.m.). According to Simeons the patient should not lose more weight during a 4-to-6 weeks' diet than without hCG, but the injections should facilitate to maintain the diet and to lose body weight at specific parts of the body (e.g. hip, belly, thigh). After the first publication various studies conducted with male and female patients analysed the efficacy of the "Cura romana". 10 of these studies showed positive and another 10 studies negative results with regard to hCG-related weight reduction. Two of these studies with positive results were double-blind studies (hCG vs. placebo). Most of them were reports on therapeutical experiences and were not controlled studies. According to these reports the body proportions normalized and the feeling of hunger was tolerable. Four out of 10 studies with negative results were controlled studies (hCG vs. control without hCG), whereas 6 were double-blind studies. These studies showed a significant weight reduction during dieting, but no differences between treatment groups in respect of body weight, body proportions and feeling of hunger. One of them is the only German study conducted by Rabe et al. in 1981 in which 82 randomised premenopausal volunteers had been dieting either with hCG or without hCG injections. In recent publications describing mostly well-documented double-blind studies authors largely reject hCG administration in dieting. Supporters of the hCG diet must prove the efficacy of this method in controlled studies according to the German Drug Law. Until then the opinion of the German steroid toxicology panel is still valid, that hCG is ineffective in dieting and should not be used (Bolt 1982 a, 1982 b).
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Am J Clin Nutr. 1976 Sep;29(9):940-8. Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin in weight reduction: a double-blind study. Stein MR, Julis RE, Peck CC, Hinshaw W, Sawicki JE, Deller JJ Jr.
Our investigation was designed to retest the hypothesis of the efficacy of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) on weight reduction in obese women in a clinic setting. We sought to duplicate the Asher-Harper study (1973) which had found that the combination of 500 cal diet and HCG had a statistically significant benefit over the diet and placebo combination as evidenced by greater weight loss and decrease in hunger. Fifty-one women between the ages of 18 and 60 participated in our 32-day prospective, randomized, double-blind comparison of HCG versus placebo. Each patient was given the same diet (the one prescribed in the Asher-Harper study), was weighed daily Monday through Saturday and was counselled by one of the investigators who administered the injections. Laboratory studies were performed at the time of initial physical examinations and at the end of the study. Twenty of 25 in the HCG and 21 of 26 patients in the placebo groups completed 28 injections. There was no statistically significant difference in the means of the two groups in number of injections received, weight loss, percent of weight loss, hip and waist circumference, weight loss per injections, or in hunger ratings. HCG does not appear to enhance the effectiveness of a rigidly imposed regimen for weight reduction.
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edgirl
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Posted: 15 March 2009 03:26 am |
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Please share .....what do you eat on the hcg diet.
thanks.
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Nir
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Posted: 15 March 2009 05:09 pm |
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Seems like the HCG people have gone elsewhere - no one has posted in 4 months. For your information the absurd 500-odd calories per day diet is coupled with pills or injections. Apparently there is a "protocol" where you can read about it. with a name like "ED girl" it might just be up your street.
Alternatively do something good for yourself and read the tutorial.
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sqzee
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Posted: 16 March 2009 02:00 pm |
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King Corn wrote: PERIOD.
Something is not automatically correct just because you write this after... Grow up.
It just made me laugh!
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jfish75
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Posted: 16 March 2009 06:12 pm |
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I live in Phoenix, what is this HGC diet i haven't heard of it?
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mellyjo
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Posted: 16 March 2009 11:39 pm |
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Doug wrote:
5 - I have never noticed a woman that loses weight after getting pregnant. Most of them get ravenously hungry, gain the weight required to deliver a healthy baby and have a hard time losing the weight after delivery. Taking a hormone to duplicate this effect seems like a very odd weight loss strategy to me.
I have. A friend of mine was a heavily overweight (~100 lb) young woman when she got pregnant for the first time. After she gave birth to a baby girl she lost around 40 lb and she kept it off for the next 3 years until the next pregnancy. After her second child was born she lost the remaining 60 lb and has been able to keep it off since. It's been almost 15 years now. She eats normally, doesn't exercise, but still looks smashing!
But I agree with you. Taking hormones to emulate some effects of the pregnancy is odd and can be potentially very risky, as the human body is not a conglomerate of separate, random parts, but a holistic system, naturally in a state of equilibrium, with all parts work in unison. A sudden introduction of a new hormone into an unprepared body can wreck havoc on all it's parts.
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Miss Impala
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Posted: 18 August 2009 05:07 pm |
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Dr. Bryan Turner MD of Utah is recommending I do this in addition to an amino acid regime. Weighing my options, forgive the pun. But it seems it might be of greatest use to those morbidly obese. If it can help me lose enough weight to get to a point where I can actually exercise or even walk without intense back pain, then it seems to me it would be a valuable tool? It has worked for some, so I am thinking I have to do something? I drive truck, so from what I can tell, I can probably do this diet as it is pretty simple, at least the food choices are anyway. If I can get the food cravings to stop, I think I could actually do it. I realize this is not a way of life, it is only a step to get me there. Will let you know when I and if I start it and how things progress.
I have tried Weight Watchers before and lost 40 lbs, but dealing with the cravings of carbs was more than I could handle. I am hoping that maybe if I get control of that, I can actually do a sensible weight loss program without blowing it!
My BMI is 52, I weigh 339 lbs at 5'6.5".
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megan77
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Posted: 18 August 2009 07:05 pm |
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HCG diet has it own Book. You have to read it all the way through. To get better knowledge what you are getting yourself into. Also, go to a Dr. for a full phyical before doing this program. I did two years of research before trying this. And by the time went on HCG the HCG oral was avaliable instead of shots. I would not take shots to lose weight. So, this worked out fine for me. I have been on the diet since, August 1,2009 lost a total of 18lbs. I tried every diet out there and I love this diet. It works I feel great no side effects for me.
I am trying to lose the total of 55lbs. I am follow the diet to the tee.Then chaging the way I look at food. I have know carves for carbs what so every. This diet is best to do with no holidays around.Good luck to all who try this and meet your goals. Don't let Food run your life.
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jrj073000
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Posted: 24 August 2009 11:47 pm |
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I saw this commercial today, and it got me thinking about childhood obesity. We have so many diets appropriate for adults, but so little which can actually be applied to children. I don't know that the HCG diet is one where children are recommended to do so.
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Brvgrls
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Posted: 8 November 2009 07:46 pm |
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Here are a couple of links to read that talks about Dr. Simeon (the founder of this info) and his original findings and research. Also, Kevin Trudeau has made the diet popular of late.
My doctor did a LOT of research after his wife browbeat him for several months and after he found science to back it up he and his wife tried it before approaching any of his patients. He will not give it to young girls or anyone who just wants to look better. He will give it to women who are POST menopausal, and men/women who are just so heavy that their weight is killing them. He swears that after a little time 500 calories actually becomes too much to eat. I told him I scoff at that but I am giving it a one course try, going to follow the diet to the letter and track everything I do, eat, weigh daily and measure weekly, etc. Since my memory is so wonderful NOT then I can look back to see how I have progressed.
hcgdietinfo.com/HCG-Diet-Protocol.htm
hcgdietinfo.com/HCG_Diet_Dr_Simeons_Manuscript.htm
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robertoshanahan
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Posted: 4 December 2009 01:57 am |
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| I have tried a dozen diets over the past few years, and the HCG diet is the only one that has worked for me. It was very easy too... after the first week of hunger pains, that is. I did get some slight headaches, but taking the vitamins the diet suggests and drinking A LOT of water took care of those too. Bottom line is I lost 28 pounds in 30 days. It was supposed to be a 23 day plan, but I cheated a few days, which tacked on a few more. I'm just about to go on it a second time to lose 10 more pounds, and I think I found the site offering the best price: hcgdietdrops4u.com. Good luck all. I'm not personally endorsing this product or website; I'm simply saying it definitely worked for me.
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robertoshanahan
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Posted: 23 December 2009 03:10 pm |
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Regarding the question of how to maintain... I've been off the diet for 3 months now and have held steady at 152 lbs. I was just over 180 lbs when I started the diet. I'm not really sure why, but my eating habits have changed. I simply don't WANT to eat as much as I used to. I also find myself drinking much more water and much less beer (by choice, not design). Don't get me wrong, I still love beer; I just don't crave it every night anymore. I have read several things on hcg suggesting it changes this or that in your brain. I don't know anything about all of that. I do know I have been at 152 for 3 months now with very little exercise and no more dieting. I absolutely love this diet. My wife first got us on it and during my original "research" I saw many, many, many comments about how dangerous a 500 calorie diet is. Maybe it is dangerous. I just know I was fine after the first week. I was rarely hungry. And I am now lifting the same weights, running the same distances, etc that I could before the diet, suggesting no loss in muscle mass. What I found strange during my research - and I really hope I don't offend anyone here with this comment - is that everyone preaching against this diet had not even tried it themselves. Of course, one doesn't need to jump off the Empire State Building himself to know the result. My point is that every post I read from people who had actually tried it was positive. I would say that if it scares you or your doctor says it is dangerous, then simply don't do it. I just know it worked for my wife, myself, and half a dozen friends of ours. Speaking of this, I have found dozens of websites selling the stuff... injections, spray, drops, etc. The cheapest I found was hcgdietdrops4u.com. At least is was then. I'm about to research again because my wife wants to lose another 10 pounds and we need a new bottle. So, if anyone knows a cheaper place (for the drops, not injections), please let me know  .
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motostew
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Posted: 25 December 2009 03:37 pm |
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I live in utah and have seen so many people lose weight with the diet, So I started reading everything I could as well as studied how the body used HCG, I have lost 22 lbs and now the weight I was before having my second kid, (she is now 22)
I am a part of the face book fan page HCG diet, I also found a great place to buy wholesale HCG at Discount prices yourdiscounthcg.comLast edited on 25 December 2009 04:51 pm by
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moonshine2b1
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Posted: 27 December 2009 08:56 am |
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hi nice to be now as what y need go on
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DebbieHoffman
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Posted: 6 July 2010 12:58 am |
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Hello,
My advice to anyone thinking about the HCG diet plan is DON'T DO IT!!!!!
It it really sad to hear about so many people going on the HCG Diet because they take the "research" the people that sell this stuff post on their website as facts.
In 2009, the American Society of Bariatric Physicians issued a position statement which stated:"Numerous clinical trials have shown HCG to be ineffectual in producing weight loss"
If someone achieves any permanent weight loss by using it, I would say it is probably a case of their being at a point when they are emotionally and physically ready to drop the weight, and the HCG is just a mental tool they use to help themselves do it.
However, the extremely low calorie limit is what concerns me the most about the HCG diet. Nearly all medical experts agree that it is not safe to eat only 500 calories a day for an extended length of time. It can cause all sorts of health problems. Please do not risk your health on their theory about the HCG only causing your body to burn fat and not muscle!
I've noticed LOTS of people that sell HCG products are filling up the diet-related health forums with "success story" posts about how great it is and how much weight they supposedly lost (which look like they were posted by ordinary people that want to lose weight), along with a link to a website where you can order it. I would be very skeptical about dealing with any of those companies.
One place that has unbiased reviews and information about HCG and other diet plans is
http://www.ultimatefatburner.com/hcg-review.html
You can also read it about it at Diet Scam Watch
http://www.dietscam.org/reports/hcg.shtml
where they have several links to scientific research on the subject.
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HCGDietDallas
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Posted: 15 July 2010 10:17 pm |
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In order to consolidate topics of conversation I have addressed many of the misinformation and scare tactics about hCG in the forum post below.
http://www.caloriesperhour.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=2793&forum_id=8
Not 1 clinical study showed dangers of taking hCG in the doses recommended on the hCG protocol.
For a minute lets assume hCG is the equivalent of a placebo. It's not, but lets just say what if... Having 500 calories per day for one month is not detrimental to your health. There are some advocates of a zero calorie fast for 40 days. They advocate that it will cleanse the body. The only exception to this is someone with health conditions such as a diabetic.
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