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AshIdiot
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Posted: 24 April 2008 05:17 am |
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This article is nearly a year old but on my mind quite often lately:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18594089/
I noticed I can feel my abs underneath about an inch of fat, and I still look 6 months pregnant underneath even that. I'm guessing it's the visceral fat from the article above. It's said to be the most dangerous fat but also the fat that comes off first during a diet, but I'm not exactly seeing that result. Then you also have to take into account I'm female, so there's a hard-wired fat pouch there that's immensely difficult to get rid of because you're not supposed to.
Have there been any sort of breakthroughs or discoveries that would aid in visceral fat reduction? Or even a simple diet adjustment, maybe if certain foods trigger it more than others?
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 25 April 2008 04:55 pm |
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I had never heard that it's the first to come off. On me, the fat at my waist is the last to come off. It comes off first on my cheeks so my mom can tell me I look to thin.
Thanks mom, I'm just trying to be healthier.
Peter
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Beth
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Posted: 27 April 2008 11:49 am |
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| I'm finding that my fat seems to be coming off in the order it went on. Cheeks, legs, feet, hands. I hope I don't end up looking like Big Bird. The belly has gone down a little. I don't guess I'll panic until I get the last 50 off and still have a gut.
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cportwine
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Posted: 28 April 2008 02:56 pm |
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Peter wrote: I had never heard that it's the first to come off. On me, the fat at my waist is the last to come off. It comes off first on my cheeks so my mom can tell me I look to thin.
Thanks mom, I'm just trying to be healthier.
Peter
I have the same happen to me. I lose it all then my gut is last. I hate that. My cheeks always show first. And for what ever reason, my butt is the one of the first things to go. My upper body is always last.
I have two wear diffrent size tops then jeans. I wear the smallest size in jeans and still in some XL for shirts. Very frustrating.
I don't know if it's visceral fat or just the weird way my body works.
lol- why are moms that way
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CodeMonkey
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Posted: 28 April 2008 03:24 pm |
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I watched a show a while back, I think it was "Truth About Foods" with Dr. Mehmet Oz. Or it could be The Biggest Loser, but I don't think so.
Anyway, they showed an MRI of an overweight person who's internals was surrounded by fat. They said that even though someone could appear to be thin on the outside can still be in danger or even in more danger because the fat is crowding their internal organs and causing stress on them. They showed a before and after MRI and the after showed less fat on the inside. This person had changed the way he/she ate to reduce the "inner fat".
Basically he was saying that even if we excercise to burn the outer fat, you still need to watch what you eat to keep the inner fat from doing it's damage.
Of course I could be wrong. It was a while ago.
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sara
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Posted: 28 April 2008 06:00 pm |
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Do you know what % of your body is fat? You don't need to worry about the internal fat unless you have a high % of body fat. As long as it's normal you will be healthy. Some thin people have body fat percentages as high as obese people (30%). Those are the people that must worry.
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AshIdiot
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Posted: 28 April 2008 06:50 pm |
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sara wrote: Some thin people have body fat percentages as high as obese people (30%). Those are the people that must worry.
Yep, that's me. I'm 5'6", 138 lbs, and about 31.5% body fat. I was absolutely astounded to hear it! I was trying to figure out what coping skills I'd use if I was 28%, haha. If only.
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 29 April 2008 03:48 am |
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sara wrote: Do you know what % of your body is fat? You don't need to worry about the internal fat unless you have a high % of body fat. As long as it's normal you will be healthy. Some thin people have body fat percentages as high as obese people (30%). Those are the people that must worry.
If that's correct that's really good to know. I was thinking the post meant that you could simply not know if you had visceral fat. My body fat is 16% and droppin,g so I should live another day. (At over 60 we worry about these things!)
Peter
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qwan
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Posted: 29 April 2008 10:57 am |
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cportwine wrote: Peter wrote: I had never heard that it's the first to come off. On me, the fat at my waist is the last to come off. It comes off first on my cheeks so my mom can tell me I look to thin.
Thanks mom, I'm just trying to be healthier.
Peter
I have the same happen to me. I lose it all then my gut is last. I hate that. My cheeks always show first. And for what ever reason, my butt is the one of the first things to go. My upper body is always last.
I have two wear diffrent size tops then jeans. I wear the smallest size in jeans and still in some XL for shirts. Very frustrating.
I don't know if it's visceral fat or just the weird way my body works.
lol- why are moms that way
You both are wrong!!! because i have read it that this visceral fat is the first to go.
Now there is a big BUT here. Cause what you are saying about your personal experience is right. I know cause I too am facing the same problem. The fat on the belly goes the last.
I would have gone on to agree with you(I am not arguing with you, so you could say I too would have believed what you are believing) but I remember one thing during my college days.
I was an overeating I used to eat more than 5000 calories a day but I used to even burn the same calories a day(daily physical activity was 1.5 hours of high speed cycling, 1km of swimming, 1 hour of cricket and martial arts practice and gym 3 days a week)
When I used to go home for holidays(I studied away from home). I would not excercise at all for almost two months. But I would eat the same infact more. I would try to eat all of dishes my mom can cook plus all my favourite hotels in two months.
I leave home with around 3 inches extra on my waist( I never checked my weight). I had rock hard abs underneath those 3 inches. I would get back to my routine and in 15 days flat I would lose 3 inches of my waist.
This is exacly how they describe the visceral fat.
Coming back to the point why it is not happeneing now.
I think I have figured that out.
I read that heavy metals and toxins are covered with fat and stored in and around the abdomen region(mainly). I know from the past 7 years i Have been abusing my body with fast foods and colas which all contains heavy toxins. food additives colors and heavy metal contamination.
These fat is released only when Your body is "free" to detox.
What I mean by free is that you should not be eating a similiar diet.
We all must have heard that "any junk" is ok in moderation. Well this where they are wrong. In moderation it is fine. You ingest some toxins via food then, your liver/kidney/pancreas end up removing it from your body. But they have a limit.
On a day when you had 5 sodas or you had all 4 meals at a macdonals, it was too much for your body to detox, it created a overload and your body's defense swung into action.
The defense beings "wrapping" fat around the toxins and storing them so that they do not damage your vital organs. It is stored so that it will be released when your body's detox orgains(like the liver) are "free" to detoxify it.
In todays world almost all food from bread to corn flakes contain toxins, vegetabls contain pesticides and milk contains DDT.
It is just too much of overload.
Oh god this post is too long already. So how to combat this in short you need to follow a healthy diet without toxins. preferable organic vegetarian diet, better still raw diet. And I think it will be easier to lose that fat around the waist.
If you try it otherwise then what you will be doing is forcing your body to release that fat, so theoretically it is not good. It is like you are going against your bodies system.
Also you might end up with real low levels of body fat %. Since everyone wants to lose their tummies. And you will continue with diet and excercise and your body will not let go of that fat since it is bad for you. Then you end up losing essential fats and fats that support your organs and bones.
Maybe I will take some time and write about it better still. Since I have discovered this let me put it to the test lose my weight and then write about it ;-)
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Peter
Founder, caloriesperhour.com
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Posted: 29 April 2008 05:05 pm |
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Actually I believe the dangerous fat is that which surrounds our organs, and we can't see it at all.
Peter
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femme
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Posted: 9 May 2008 10:03 pm |
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I agree that fat MAY come off in the same order as it came on, which definitely depends on your genetic disposition. I have generally gained weight in my upper arms, chin, stomach, upper legs, thighs, and behind----but in these areas, I gain weight evenly.
Interestingly enough, I do agree that women are "selected" to carry some belly fat, because even when I was very thin (105-110lbs at 5'4") I still had a little tummy, it just grew in proportion to my weight gain. Typically, I notice that when I slim down, everything slims down at about the same rate.
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qwan
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Posted: 10 May 2008 04:12 pm |
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Peter wrote: Actually I believe the dangerous fat is that which surrounds our organs, and we can't see it at all.
Peter
Well this is very complicated. You just cannot say that structural fat is bad or good.
See there is a reason why it is called structural fat because it has a purpose and that is why the name.
Too much of it is also too bad. It will put pressure on the organs as the fat around then continue to expand.
But under normal conditions a person with high content of structural fat will also have relatively much more of visceral fat. Havent you seen that many people in their initial stages of weight gain may get fat around the abdomen and things but their face is still ok.
As they put on more visceral fat their face shape deos not change they may get a double chin but their face shape does not change. It is only after they really abuse their body or get too fat that their structural fat starts changing.
That is why many fat people tend to look alike. Because their structural fat on their face becomes big and then it gets puffy and they look the same.(remember fat on the neck and chin is not structural fat but visceral).
I will give you other examples where doctors have stated that structural fat is very essentail to the body not only does it give shape but it also keeps internal organs warm and protects them.
In todays world to get a 6 pack you need to get a body fat % less than 10%.
If you ask any doctor of nutritionist they will say it is bad.
A male's body fat % should never go below 15% Because in normal condition if a person in a perfect world(that is toxin free and chemical free) would lose fat he would lose all visceral fat when he reached 15% and then he would start losing structural fat. So if you noticed that earlier almost all people normally who was fit had 6 packs.
Now it is very hard to find someone with a normal but healthy lifestyle with a 6 pack.
This is because of what I mentioned earlier that is Toxins!!!.
toxins are accumalated in and around the abdomen and the body will "fight" and retain that fat. As it knows that toxins are bound in them to keep them from harming the body. And that is why when you got below 10% fat then only your body loses these fat and in the process may harm you and put a toxic load on your liver etc.
Ah!! I got the right example to describe and help you understand the importance of structural fat.
Have you seen pictures of malnutritioned children in Somalia(african countries). Have you noticed how their body sags. As a matter of fact even anorexic patients see their body shape.
That is because they have lost structural fat. It is important
I feel that this article is only scare-mongering, because it is only when you are eating too much of bad diet are too obese then only you will put on too much structural fat which will be bad for you.
And if you notice the article it just keeps saying that "doctors have a reason to believe" and it might be that" and "may lead to ". This is not a research paper by a doctor. This is an article trying to create sensationalism.
Try to ask a doctor about structural fat. As far as I know a person cannot just put on structural fat without putting on visceral fat unless he has some metabolic disorder.
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