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Peter
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Posted: 19 February 2006 12:07 am |
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I'm splitting hairs here... talking about a fine point... but I agree with everything you just said except the part about eating more healthy after you've reached your goal weight. Well, even that's agreeable based on not eating so well to lose weight quickly.
But I just have to say here for anyone else reading this that I don't know how you could lose weight faster than by following the Eat To Live diet plan, and I don't know of a healthier way to eat!
Peter
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Nir
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Posted: 19 February 2006 10:01 am |
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fatso wrote: Eat less until you've reached or are close to your goal weight, then eat more healthy and balanced and go to gym, simple answer. This is ofcourse "the fast" approach.
Fatso, if one has the time and ability (accepting that some people find it difficult to exercise due to their weight), wouldn't it be even faster to go to the gym from day one, for a combination of cardio (fat burning) and weight training (to maintain muscle)? A pound of fat burns 5 calories a day. A pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories. (or putting it another way, the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism, the faster you burn calories, the faster you loose weight). You do the maths.
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fatso
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Posted: 19 February 2006 12:16 pm |
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Nir wrote: Fatso, if one has the time and ability (accepting that some people find it difficult to exercise due to their weight), wouldn't it be even faster to go to the gym from day one, for a combination of cardio (fat burning) and weight training (to maintain muscle)? A pound of fat burns 5 calories a day. A pound of muscle burns 30-50 calories. (or putting it another way, the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism, the faster you burn calories, the faster you loose weight). You do the maths.
Obviously. However most people find a total lifestyle change too much of a problem and when giving up on one change, normally give on on everything.
Thats why I firmly believe in eating <=1000 calories per day, of whatever you like. Whether that be a big lump of cheese, or 10 slices of bread, or 9 banannas.
Because changing one thing is far easier than changing an entire lifestyle.
Anyway, that just works for me. Just once I'd like people to promote a diet style a person can follow as apposed the elusive perfect diet plan, which must follow all the rules like, a) be sure you loose fat and not muscle, b) make sure you go to gym at least 30 minutes per day, c) dont eat too much fat d) eat enough fibre e) drink at least 8 glasses of water a day f) eat alor of vegetables g) dont eat processed foods h) and the list goes on and on and on and on and on,
for some people its too much at once.
Any diet plan will work, whats important is to choose one that you can stick to and being supported in your decision, unless ofcourse its some seriouslly dangerous diet like only drinking water for 4 weeks and eating 2 grains of rice a day.
cheers
fatso
Last edited on 19 February 2006 12:19 pm by fatso
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Nir
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Posted: 19 February 2006 03:45 pm |
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Ok, for those not willing to change too much, that approach could work. Two points though:
1. For those who have a lot to lose, their RMR will be quite high, so perhaps picking a certain higher number of calories will (paradoxically) give them a better sustained rate of loss (instead of loosing a lot and then suddenly stopping and not loosing any more)
2. Some people, when they finally decide they want to do something about their weight, are so into it that they will want to do everything they can to optimise it. The extra info will be useful to them. I don't know about you but I am one of those people, and I know some other people on this site want as much info at their finger-tips
3. Personally, food-wise I am a greedy person (trying to change that). So I want to figure out whether 100 calories of apples satisfies me more than 100 calories of chocolate. I keep learning about new food choices that I didn't know existed and see whether they offer me more value. If I am eating 1000 calories (or whatever - 1500-1800 in my case) then I would rather eat like a king. Incidentally I haven't read "Eat to Live" yet, but I understand it preaches eating low calorie foods that maximise nutrition. I came up independently with something similiar (maximise quantity, satisfaction and taste for a given calorie count)
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Peter
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Posted: 19 February 2006 08:05 pm |
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Fatso (I hate calling you that!), I think you make a very valid point. We need to find what works for us or we will just fail. In my Diet and Weight Loss Tips, I write:
Unless you are excited to be following a very specific diet and exercise plan, do not try and change too much too fast. If you have been eating poorly and not exercising, both your body and your mind will have a lot of adjusting to do.
All the sugar and fat were actually quite enjoyable, and sitting on the couch didn't feel too bad, either. If you try and change everything too quickly the odds are greater that you will feel bad, get discouraged, and give up. So be patient.
For me, being excited to follow a very specific diet and exercise plan worked best. But I wanted to acknowldge that that's not the best solution for everyone.
For others reading this, I would like to caution that simply eating fewer calories of whatever you want most often fails. As I explain in my FAQ on a low calorie diet, you could live on cheesecake and lose weight. But you would be able to eat so little volume wise that you would likely be hungry all the time a give up rather quickly.
But as I say, whatever works for you!
Peter
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fatso
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Posted: 20 February 2006 06:08 am |
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Thanks Peter,
I'm just so tired of reading all the right ways of doing things and rules. I just decided the best for me was to eat as close to 1000 as possible, therby ensuring weight loss. On 1700 I was not dropping at all, and I was hungry and frustrated, even though 2200 calories should have ensured weight loss. However now on 1000 I am still hungry but at least seeing results, and that for me is very motivating and exciting.
I pride myself on my logic and intelligence. And I find it defies all logic that I just cant eat healthy and enough to live on. In theory it is so easy. Smoking and drinking and drugs is addictive so I can understand that is hard to change, but eating?...I mean come on. Its just a mechanical process so your body can function. Why is it so #%@&! hard!!!!!!????
This weekend was bad for me again, I ate way more than my 1000 calories. Still lost more overall, but probably lost 2 days effort. Still if I stick to it 5 days and break for 2, I still loose every week. But I am trying to stick to my 1000 diet over weekends as well.
Anyway, enough of my ramblings
cheers and a jealous of peter for getting it right fatso
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fatso
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Posted: 20 February 2006 06:10 am |
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ps. Peter, I dont like the fact that CPH changes harmless swear words like dam(n) and He11 to &^$^% it implies I used the F word which I didnt 
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Peter
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Posted: 20 February 2006 07:59 am |
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About it being a mechanical process... funny to hear that. Many years ago I got the idea that it would be much easier to deal with food if I totally lost interest in it as something that offered pleasure. I would just eat bland foods just like I brush my teeth... something that had to be done but you didn't get excited about... one way or the other.
Actually, usually I enjoy my morning oatmeal with raisins. But some days when I'm not at all hungry... but need to eat something before I go to the gym... eating it does feel something like brushing my teeth. Or taking out the trash. Whatever. I just do it.
About the swear words... I agree totally. There are three words, the two you mention and one that might offend religious people... that are very commonly used to express emotion or frustration or whatever. None of them are ugly, nasty, sexual...
I wouldn't mind if they were used in my forum at all but I need to put ads on my pages to pay for my expenses. And the advertisers will pull their ads if I allow any of that. So my hands are tied.
And, BTW, I don't agree that it implies that you used the F word.
Peter
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fatso
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Posted: 20 February 2006 01:05 pm |
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If I ate oatmeal and raisins I'd just sooner hang myself  :D
What the #%@&! lets just use all the #%@&! swear words and #%@&! all the advertising! hehehe :P
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Paint-Mom
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Posted: 20 February 2006 07:31 pm |
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| I for one appreciate this site as being "clean". It's a plus. Thank you - Peter. I am old enough to be your "mother" or "grand-mother" the foul language it just an excuse for bad grammar or manners.
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Morgan D
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Posted: 20 February 2006 09:13 pm |
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| Your problem is that you are eating 800 calories a day. Your body needs at least 1200 a day to run. If you cut back from 1200, then your body goes into starvation drive and will not burn calories because it thinks you are starving! Eat at least 400 calories more each day to lose weight!
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fatso
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Posted: 21 February 2006 01:25 am |
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Morgan D wrote: Your problem is that you are eating 800 calories a day. Your body needs at least 1200 a day to run. If you cut back from 1200, then your body goes into starvation drive and will not burn calories because it thinks you are starving! Eat at least 400 calories more each day to lose weight!
hahahahahahahaha, I'm sorry but that very funny indeed!
I am loosing weight, please try to read an entire thread before posting pointless comments.
You obviously dont understand how the human body works, have you checked out my weight log. It is working very well, I am loosing weight fast.
If I eat 400 calories more I will loose less weight a day not more.
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Peter
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Posted: 21 February 2006 08:12 am |
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Fatso, what Morgan D suggested is the conventional wisdom, meaning that it is what most people believe. It may not be right, and clearly it's not right for you. But she was only trying to help.
I would also add that nothing about how the human body works is "obvious."
Peter
P.S.
One thing that's really cool about the web is it's so easy and cheap to do your own thing. For almost nothing you can start your own website and use all the foul language you like!
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Nir
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Posted: 21 February 2006 10:31 am |
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fatso and Peter:
To clarify, I believe Morgan D is (re-)addressing Marcy's question, which is located on pages one and two of this topic. After all, the 800 figure is not fatso's by Marcy's.
Oh, I see I'm no longer labelled a "New Member".
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suenos
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Posted: 22 February 2006 03:35 am |
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fatso wrote: I find it defies all logic that I just cant eat healthy and enough to live on. In theory it is so easy. Smoking and drinking and drugs is addictive so I can understand that is hard to change, but eating?...I mean come on. Its just a mechanical process so your body can function. Why is it so #%@&! hard!!!!!!????
I've spent lots (and lots) of time wondering the same thing. I came across an article today in Women's Health about the biological and psychological reasons behind hunger and food cravings. According to the article, certain foods are as addictive as smoking, drinking and drugs: "When you experience a craving, it triggers the areas of the brain - the hippocampus, insula, and caudate - that also cause addictions. The same mechanism that makes you reach for a crack pipe makes you yearn for the New York Super Fudge Chunk.".
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fatso
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Posted: 22 February 2006 09:29 am |
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suenos wrote: I've spent lots (and lots) of time wondering the same thing. I came across an article today in Women's Health about the biological and psychological reasons behind hunger and food cravings. According to the article, certain foods are as addictive as smoking, drinking and drugs: "When you experience a craving, it triggers the areas of the brain - the hippocampus, insula, and caudate - that also cause addictions. The same mechanism that makes you reach for a crack pipe makes you yearn for the New York Super Fudge Chunk.".
Good information, thanks.
I am just so glad that I hate smoke so much, otherwise I'm pretty sure I'd be a 2 packs a day smoker as well
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Peter
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Posted: 22 February 2006 10:22 am |
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Ditto Fatso.
I also tried bulimia but couldn't make that work. I guess it's good to fail at some things!
Peter
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fatso
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Posted: 22 February 2006 11:59 pm |
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Peter wrote: Ditto Fatso.
I also tried bulimia but couldn't make that work. I guess it's good to fail at some things!
Peter
LOL, yeah I did try to smoke when I was a teenager, you know to be cool and all, but I just couldnt do it. Same with drinking, it just makes me sick,not drunk and do crazy things, so I dont do alcohol either. I'm a pretty good boy, barring my eating habits, thats why I've always said, I dont drink, I dont smoke, can I have my bad thing, and basically convinced myself it was ok to eat pizza and burgers 24/7.
If I dont change now, it will be too late later.
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Nir
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Posted: 26 February 2006 02:57 pm |
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This article ( http:// thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/exerpro.htm ) contrasts weight loss in four groups: half are higher-protein (30% of total calories) while half are low-protein (15%) and sliced the other way half were weight-training twice a week, the other half didn't. All four groups lost fat - the groups lost different amounts of fat and muscle. There is value in eating protein, value in weight-training, and the group that did both had best results. This graph (showing reduction in body fat% for the four groups) tells the story:
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giraffe4life
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Posted: 2 March 2006 06:10 am |
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- It is 'normal' to eat unhealthy/junk foods. Parents home-cook such food for their children and it is available from supermarkets and restaurants. It is further encouraged by heavy advertising and peer pressure. It is generally inexpensive wheras healthy foods are expensive.
Not having shopped in England for groceries, I cant compare costs, but I can tell you that in North America, it is always cheaper to shop on the outside aisles of a grocery store, where you can find fresh veggies, bulk, dairy, and meats. Purchasing prepared food is more expensive and doesnt pack the nutritional punch that fresh food does.
I personally eat very little meat and ALWAYS exceed my protein percentage. Lentils, for example, are filling, nutritious and cheap as are most other beans and legumes. Its just about getting back to real food and ignoring the pre-packaged stuff.
Yes, it does take a bit more time to prepare, so I set aside one or two hours twice a week, and prepare enough food for me to put into the freezer or fridge to last me for several meals. Currently, I have brown rice pilaf, veggie chili, minestrone soup in my fridgeéfreezerf and have another pot of beans on the stove as I write this. Add some fresh veggies and voila! I even have my hot cereal made up in advance so that all I have to do is heat, add yoghurt and fresh fruit, and my breakfast is on the table. Eating this way does NOT cost more or take more time, just better organization.
I also find that eating this way, I dont each as much nor do I get the hungries. And when I do, I reach for a real food snack likean apple with some almond butter, carrots or a few cashews, or some skim milk.
I am motivated to lose weight and hope to lose about 45-50 pounds by September.
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Nir
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Posted: 2 March 2006 10:32 am |
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giraffe4life wrote: in North America, it is always cheaper to shop on the outside aisles of a grocery store, where you can find fresh veggies, bulk, dairy, and meats. Purchasing prepared food is more expensive and doesnt pack the nutritional punch that fresh food does.
in the UK, junk foods can be very inexpensive. I can buy 100g of tortilla chips (500 calories) for 25p, a loaf of white bread (2000 calories) for 19p, 100g of chocolate (535 calories) for 25p, 200g of cookies (1000 calories) for 29p, noodles (250-400? calories) for 8p, and the list goes on - all the refined sugar and flour I want, in processed packaged form, can be had for pennies! On the other hand if I want to buy a few strawberries or oranges, I normally have to spend £1.50-£2.50 for the privilege! (but yes, dried legumes are reasonably affordable).
I don't give up on fruit and veg though - I just get creative with my shopping. I do what 95% of people do not do - I actively hunt for bargains - and succeed most of the time. My fridges(2), freezer and cupboards are 95% fruits, vegetables and lean protein.
Well done for getting organised with your cooking! I want to be more like you in this regard. I'm also trying to go this way - I already do this (pre-portion and refreeze) whenever cooking raw fish/meat and when cooking a batch of pasta or noodles.
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NevD
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Posted: 2 March 2006 02:26 pm |
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I actively hunt for bargains
Does Peter have a 'calories burned' figure for that, Nir?
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Nir
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Posted: 3 March 2006 08:09 am |
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On one day of the week I go to a supermarket and, if a particular member of staff is on duty, I can trawl the entire produce section for any produce that must be sold by that date or thrown away. Their staff do it in the morning or overnight but they always miss many packets. Whichever I find I keep in my trolly and this guy will stick 10p labels on my found produce. The upshot is that a couple of hours of laborious quick work (I feel knackered at the end!) can half-fill my fridge with produce that still has a week to go - pays more than my hourly rate, I'm sure! If I'm good at it, other customers don't get a look in. The trouble comes when I use the same determination to search for cream cakes and similiar products in the other department!
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Peter
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Posted: 3 March 2006 09:42 am |
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